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  #16  
Old September 12th 19, 06:48 PM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-10
T
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Default Why Linux On Desktop Failed: A Discussion With Mark Shuttleworth

On 9/12/19 10:20 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
T wrote:

chrisv wrote:

Here's my response.


Your response is an eMail address?


That's not an email address, it's a usenet message-id

http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3Cphiknedtsvjrs4kiblk1s1egiicad 7q2bq%404ax.com%3E


Okay I see now:

T wrote:

The user does not give a s*** what OS he is using. He
only cares if his programs work. And Windows owns
the program base. From the user's point of view, if
his Quick Books and his Turbotax does not work, then
the OS does not work. He does not care why.


Many people have no need of such special applications.


I see tons of folks over two counties for the last 24 years.
There is always one program they have to run that kills Linux.
Usually is is Quick Books, and virtually every business
uses it. Some times it is M$ Office. A lot of time it
it is things like Turbo Tax and those ancestry programs.
There is always something.

And believe me, I don't care much for Windows, even though it provided
me with a fine living. I'd much rather put Linux on my customers.
It is far more reliable, faster, and to be quite honest, a lot
more fun to work on.

Oh ya, GnuCash work on Linux (I personally use it), but it does not
do inventory or payroll. And good luck trying to find an accountant
that understands it. I have personally witnessed accountants
tell Apple users with Quick Books files to go home, get a Windows
computer, and come back with a Windows quick books file.

Are you seeing a trend?


Also, as the years progress, more and more applications become
browser-based, making it less and less important what OS is being
used.


True for Cloud based programs. Edge base not so true.
And I think Cloud Based systems have met their usefulness
and have started to get a bit ridiculous.


Linux's desktop have come into their own. There
are several that are very well done and much better
than Windows 10. Linux need to concentrate on taking
over the install base of software.


The Linux community is already doing what it should be doing.

Obviously, it would be ridiculous to suggest that they could keep-up,
in applications, with the 40X larger Windows ecosystem.


As I have stated before, Linux is technically superior to Windows, and
not by a little, by a lot. From the users standpoint, if the programs
don't work, they don't care, the OS doesn't work. Here is a quarter,
go tell it to someone who cares.

Maybe the solution is for someone like Red Hat to get behind Wine
and make Wine work right for all Windows programs. But that
maybe bad too as programmers would never port to Linux.
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Old September 12th 19, 07:19 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Thu, 12 Sep 2019 13:20:08 -0400, Rabid Rogue wrote:

On 2019-09-12 1:14 p.m., T wrote:
On 9/12/19 10:06 AM, chrisv wrote:
T wrote:

(snip)

What, you just copy and paste the same stuff that your wrote earlier?

Here's my response.




Your response is an eMail address?


I think that's a Message-ID. How does one look up a Message-ID, anyway?


Proper newsreaders allow you to double click it and the message opens in
a new window. That works for me. (Forte Agent 2.0)

  #18  
Old September 12th 19, 07:21 PM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.os.linux,alt.comp.os.windows-10
William Unruh
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Default Why Linux On Desktop Failed: A Discussion With Mark Shuttleworth

On 2019-09-12, Mr Hand wrote:
On Thu, 12 Sep 2019 12:03:32 -0500, chrisv
wrote:

Mr. Hand wrote:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Linux

And there are many others.
How you can deny this is laughable.


You focus only on those who are critical.


No.
I made a statement that you claim was untrue.
I offered proof.
You offered insults.

There are also those who praise the community.


Of course there are.
Who said otherwise.
You are now moving the goal posts after you snipped what I've said.

There are billions of people who have benefitted from the community's
efforts.


Of course.
Goal post move again.

What is "laughable" is that you think that you can present only "one
side of the story" and arrive at the truth.


No.
What is laughable is how you lashed out and attacked me while I
provided data for my claims and you snip and then try to move the goal
posts.

Even if there was, the vast majority of people would be unaware of it.

They become aware the first time they enter the typical Linux group
and get told to RTFM.


Although trolls with bad attitudes will claim otherwise, that normally
does not happen. Almost always, people who are respectful get treated
with respect.


There is a reason for the bad reputation of the Linux community.
And it's easy to Google examples, I provided some, you snipped the
data.


Micro$oft has a bad reputation, and it hasn't harmed them.

I'm talking about the community not a company.


On what basis would you claim that reputations are less important to
companies than they are to communities?


The fact that Linux doesn't have a company, maybe?
I thought that would be obvious.

So, people like you for example as you prove my points rather
succinctly.


Now you have resorted to lying.


Your snipping, goal post moving and straw man building along with your
personal attacks on me proves my points rather well.

Do you, by chance, also go by the name of "Mayayana"? He also likes
to launch insulting attacks, and then, when people object, claim that
his "point was proven".


I'm not Mayayana, and you are resorting to lying.
I didn't attack anyone, you did.
You attacked me.

As an example, ask some random person about Linux and you will
certainly encounter some people who still believe Linux is a text
based system needing a command line to run.
Sad but true.

Neither sad nor true.

It is true.


Nope. It's pulled from your rear end.


See. You attack.

I will provide evidence of my claim right here. You will snip it, move
the goal posts and continue to attack me though but I will post it
anyway.

And again, this is but a single example. Google is filled with others.

https://itsfoss.com/myths-about-linux/

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5 Myths About Linux That Scares Away New Users
Last updated March 4, 2019 By Abhishek Prakash 94 Comments


Myths about Linux debunked
Are there really myths about Linux? I mean there are plenty of facts
about Linux and how powerful and secure it is that the entire tech
world is relying on it.

Yes, the world relies on Linux to power its technologies but we are
not talking about the ‘industrial Linux’. We are talking the desktop
Linux. The Linux that a normal user should be using as its daily
driver for surfing web, for document editing, listening to music and
casual gaming.

When it comes to the desktop version, there are actually some famous
myths about Linux and if one believes them, he/she will be very
reluctant to use Linux.

5 myths about Linux that you shouldnÂ’t believe


In this article, I will bust these myths about Linux. I am not going
to trick you in switching to Linux by lying, IÂ’ll counter these rumors
with facts, the best way to do it.

Myth 1: Linux is very difficult to use
Myth about Linux: It's difficult to use
If you think Linux is difficult to use, let me ask you this. When you
used a computer for the very first time, how did you feel?

The answer would be that you just didnÂ’t know how to navigate or use
the operating system (Windows, I presume). Creating new files,
installing software, troubleshooting issues, everything seems
complicated at beginning. But did you quit it at that point?

No, you kept using it and gradually, you get comfortable with it.
Linux is no different. Things might seem a little complicated in the
beginning but give it enough time before being judgemental.

Still not convinced? Okay! You do know that AppleÂ’s macOS is a popular
desktop operating system. But have you ever tried to use macOS?

macOS is as much confusing in the beginning as Linux. You will have a
hard time figuring out how to navigate to files, folders. Installing
new software in macOS is another challenge when you just donÂ’t know
how to do it.

Linux is no different. Perhaps it gives so many options that it
overwhelms a newcomer but this doesnÂ’t mean it is difficult to use
Linux.

Myth 2: You need to know commands to use Linux
Myth about Linux: You need to know commands
This is another myth that scares a new user. Using command line for an
operating system? That could be a nightmare for many.

Linux has a powerful command line interface, there is no doubt about
it. In fact, you can use Linux entirely in the command line.

But this is not what you have to do while using desktop Linux. If you
know a few commands, it will help you troubleshoot issues you may
encounter (like in any other operating system). But you donÂ’t have to
know commands or become a command line ninja for that.

Most beginner friendly Linux distributions provide a complete
graphical interface. You might never need to use the command line.

At worst, if you find some issue or if you are trying to install
software in Linux, you might come across commands suggested by people
on the internet.

Using those commands is very simple. Open a terminal and copy-paste
the commands.

However, basic knowledge of Linux commands will help you at this point
to avoid using dangerous Linux commands that might harm your system.
Linux command line is like a very sharp knife. You can do wonder with
it but you can also cut yourself. It depends on how you handle the
knife.

To sum it up, use a Windows like Linux distribution that will have
almost no requirement to use the command line."




Try it yourself.


How about you prove your ridiculous claim.


So you can snip it like you did my other claims?
I just did.


The vast majority would have no idea. Those who had an idea would not
be assuming what you claim. If anyone, at all, thinks that Linux is a
"GUI-less operating system", they are a tiny, insignificant number of
people.

While it is true most people may not even know about Linux, from the
ones that do, many still believe it's a CLI system for geeks.


Nonsense.


See above.

I strongly suspect you will soon be resorting to your usual "snipped
unread" routine as you have once again been out debated.


Evidence that someone else believes as you do is NOT evidence that the
statement is true.
  #19  
Old September 12th 19, 07:29 PM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.os.linux,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Mr. Hand wrote:

On Thu, 12 Sep 2019 12:03:32 -0500, chrisv
wrote:

Mr. Hand wrote:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Linux

And there are many others.
How you can deny this is laughable.


You focus only on those who are critical.


No.
I made a statement that you claim was untrue.
I offered proof.


No you didn't.

Have you ever seen a trial? The prosecution doesn't "offer proof".
They present "evidence". You presented some evidence, supporting one
side of the debate. In a trial, the other side gets to present
evidence, also.

Every group has some assholes. I could present evidence that Steve
Jobs was an asshole. Does that mean that he has a "bad reputation"?
No, it does not.

You offered insults.


Yet another lie, from you. I will read no further.

In truth, it is you who offered insults.

It is you who offered unsupported claims. When challenged, you lamely
responded that I should go-around asking a ****-load of people what
they thought Linux is.

Do you think that you being so unreasonable gets you off the hook?
You made the claims, your job to support them, buddy.

You're just yet another asshole who pulls **** out of his ass and
insults decent people. Then, when someone objects, you claim that
they proved your point (I'm sure that you will again do so, in
response to this post). When it's clear that you are beaten, you
attack with idiocy and lies.

(snipped, unread)


--
"GNU/Linux takes all of the technology world's biggest failures and
bundles them all together into 500,000 different distributions for
your convenience." - "Slimer"
  #20  
Old September 12th 19, 07:47 PM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Snit[_2_]
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On 9/12/19 10:14 AM, T wrote:
On 9/12/19 10:06 AM, chrisv wrote:
T wrote:

(snip)


What, you just copy and paste the same stuff that your wrote earlier?

Here's my response.




Your response is an eMail address?


He is saying people have no need for such amazingly specialized programs
as basic tax or personal accounting programs.



--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
  #21  
Old September 12th 19, 07:50 PM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Snit[_2_]
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On 9/12/19 10:06 AM, chrisv wrote:
T wrote:

(snip)


What, you just copy and paste the same stuff that your wrote earlier?

Here's my response.




In short: you think for people who have amazingly simple needs, not even
using things as common and basic as tax and personal finance apps, or
other common programs, Linux is a fine choice.

That is you damning with faint praise.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
  #22  
Old September 12th 19, 08:28 PM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.os.linux,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Mr. Hand
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On Thu, 12 Sep 2019 18:21:40 -0000 (UTC), William Unruh
wrote:

On 2019-09-12, Mr Hand wrote:
On Thu, 12 Sep 2019 12:03:32 -0500, chrisv
wrote:

Mr. Hand wrote:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Linux

And there are many others.
How you can deny this is laughable.

You focus only on those who are critical.


No.
I made a statement that you claim was untrue.
I offered proof.
You offered insults.

There are also those who praise the community.


Of course there are.
Who said otherwise.
You are now moving the goal posts after you snipped what I've said.

There are billions of people who have benefitted from the community's
efforts.


Of course.
Goal post move again.

What is "laughable" is that you think that you can present only "one
side of the story" and arrive at the truth.


No.
What is laughable is how you lashed out and attacked me while I
provided data for my claims and you snip and then try to move the goal
posts.

Even if there was, the vast majority of people would be unaware of it.

They become aware the first time they enter the typical Linux group
and get told to RTFM.

Although trolls with bad attitudes will claim otherwise, that normally
does not happen. Almost always, people who are respectful get treated
with respect.


There is a reason for the bad reputation of the Linux community.
And it's easy to Google examples, I provided some, you snipped the
data.


Micro$oft has a bad reputation, and it hasn't harmed them.

I'm talking about the community not a company.

On what basis would you claim that reputations are less important to
companies than they are to communities?


The fact that Linux doesn't have a company, maybe?
I thought that would be obvious.

So, people like you for example as you prove my points rather
succinctly.

Now you have resorted to lying.


Your snipping, goal post moving and straw man building along with your
personal attacks on me proves my points rather well.

Do you, by chance, also go by the name of "Mayayana"? He also likes
to launch insulting attacks, and then, when people object, claim that
his "point was proven".


I'm not Mayayana, and you are resorting to lying.
I didn't attack anyone, you did.
You attacked me.

As an example, ask some random person about Linux and you will
certainly encounter some people who still believe Linux is a text
based system needing a command line to run.
Sad but true.

Neither sad nor true.

It is true.

Nope. It's pulled from your rear end.


See. You attack.

I will provide evidence of my claim right here. You will snip it, move
the goal posts and continue to attack me though but I will post it
anyway.

And again, this is but a single example. Google is filled with others.

https://itsfoss.com/myths-about-linux/

"You are he Home / List / 5 Myths About Linux That Scares Away New
Users
5 Myths About Linux That Scares Away New Users
Last updated March 4, 2019 By Abhishek Prakash 94 Comments


Myths about Linux debunked
Are there really myths about Linux? I mean there are plenty of facts
about Linux and how powerful and secure it is that the entire tech
world is relying on it.

Yes, the world relies on Linux to power its technologies but we are
not talking about the ‘industrial Linux’. We are talking the desktop
Linux. The Linux that a normal user should be using as its daily
driver for surfing web, for document editing, listening to music and
casual gaming.

When it comes to the desktop version, there are actually some famous
myths about Linux and if one believes them, he/she will be very
reluctant to use Linux.

5 myths about Linux that you shouldnÂ’t believe


In this article, I will bust these myths about Linux. I am not going
to trick you in switching to Linux by lying, IÂ’ll counter these rumors
with facts, the best way to do it.

Myth 1: Linux is very difficult to use
Myth about Linux: It's difficult to use
If you think Linux is difficult to use, let me ask you this. When you
used a computer for the very first time, how did you feel?

The answer would be that you just didnÂ’t know how to navigate or use
the operating system (Windows, I presume). Creating new files,
installing software, troubleshooting issues, everything seems
complicated at beginning. But did you quit it at that point?

No, you kept using it and gradually, you get comfortable with it.
Linux is no different. Things might seem a little complicated in the
beginning but give it enough time before being judgemental.

Still not convinced? Okay! You do know that AppleÂ’s macOS is a popular
desktop operating system. But have you ever tried to use macOS?

macOS is as much confusing in the beginning as Linux. You will have a
hard time figuring out how to navigate to files, folders. Installing
new software in macOS is another challenge when you just donÂ’t know
how to do it.

Linux is no different. Perhaps it gives so many options that it
overwhelms a newcomer but this doesnÂ’t mean it is difficult to use
Linux.

Myth 2: You need to know commands to use Linux
Myth about Linux: You need to know commands
This is another myth that scares a new user. Using command line for an
operating system? That could be a nightmare for many.

Linux has a powerful command line interface, there is no doubt about
it. In fact, you can use Linux entirely in the command line.

But this is not what you have to do while using desktop Linux. If you
know a few commands, it will help you troubleshoot issues you may
encounter (like in any other operating system). But you donÂ’t have to
know commands or become a command line ninja for that.

Most beginner friendly Linux distributions provide a complete
graphical interface. You might never need to use the command line.

At worst, if you find some issue or if you are trying to install
software in Linux, you might come across commands suggested by people
on the internet.

Using those commands is very simple. Open a terminal and copy-paste
the commands.

However, basic knowledge of Linux commands will help you at this point
to avoid using dangerous Linux commands that might harm your system.
Linux command line is like a very sharp knife. You can do wonder with
it but you can also cut yourself. It depends on how you handle the
knife.

To sum it up, use a Windows like Linux distribution that will have
almost no requirement to use the command line."




Try it yourself.

How about you prove your ridiculous claim.


So you can snip it like you did my other claims?
I just did.


The vast majority would have no idea. Those who had an idea would not
be assuming what you claim. If anyone, at all, thinks that Linux is a
"GUI-less operating system", they are a tiny, insignificant number of
people.

While it is true most people may not even know about Linux, from the
ones that do, many still believe it's a CLI system for geeks.

Nonsense.


See above.

I strongly suspect you will soon be resorting to your usual "snipped
unread" routine as you have once again been out debated.


Evidence that someone else believes as you do is NOT evidence that the
statement is true.


Of course not. There are people who still think the earth is flat

However, unlike something that can be proven by scientific or other
means, these items I made references to are opinions based upon
experiences and observations of behavior, such as Linus lashing out
and the USB developer's experiences so YMMV.

The point is, when there are so many, many examples to be found then
it becomes a valid point for discussion.
I think chrisv's behavior and reaction towards my posts, his insults
and lashing out, have confirmed yet another excellent example of some
of the items I discussed.

Does "everyone" have similar experiences or opinions?
Of course not. There are plenty of people, probably the majority by
far, who have had positive experiences with Linux and the community.

  #23  
Old September 12th 19, 08:36 PM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Mr. Hand
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On Thu, 12 Sep 2019 10:48:02 -0700, T wrote:

On 9/12/19 10:20 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
T wrote:

chrisv wrote:

Here's my response.


Your response is an eMail address?


That's not an email address, it's a usenet message-id

http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3Cphiknedtsvjrs4kiblk1s1egiicad 7q2bq%404ax.com%3E


Okay I see now:

T wrote:

The user does not give a s*** what OS he is using. He
only cares if his programs work. And Windows owns
the program base. From the user's point of view, if
his Quick Books and his Turbotax does not work, then
the OS does not work. He does not care why.


Many people have no need of such special applications.


I see tons of folks over two counties for the last 24 years.
There is always one program they have to run that kills Linux.
Usually is is Quick Books, and virtually every business
uses it. Some times it is M$ Office. A lot of time it
it is things like Turbo Tax and those ancestry programs.
There is always something.

And believe me, I don't care much for Windows, even though it provided
me with a fine living. I'd much rather put Linux on my customers.
It is far more reliable, faster, and to be quite honest, a lot
more fun to work on.

Oh ya, GnuCash work on Linux (I personally use it), but it does not
do inventory or payroll. And good luck trying to find an accountant
that understands it. I have personally witnessed accountants
tell Apple users with Quick Books files to go home, get a Windows
computer, and come back with a Windows quick books file.

Are you seeing a trend?


Also, as the years progress, more and more applications become
browser-based, making it less and less important what OS is being
used.


True for Cloud based programs. Edge base not so true.
And I think Cloud Based systems have met their usefulness
and have started to get a bit ridiculous.


Linux's desktop have come into their own. There
are several that are very well done and much better
than Windows 10. Linux need to concentrate on taking
over the install base of software.


The Linux community is already doing what it should be doing.

Obviously, it would be ridiculous to suggest that they could keep-up,
in applications, with the 40X larger Windows ecosystem.


As I have stated before, Linux is technically superior to Windows, and
not by a little, by a lot. From the users standpoint, if the programs
don't work, they don't care, the OS doesn't work. Here is a quarter,
go tell it to someone who cares.

Maybe the solution is for someone like Red Hat to get behind Wine
and make Wine work right for all Windows programs. But that
maybe bad too as programmers would never port to Linux.


Personally I feel that if an application is a must have, like
PhotoShop, Quicken etc then the user should probably have chosen the
platform first based upon that.

As for wine, I have never been much of a wine fan, except a fine
Chianti. Linux development should stay focused on developing Linux
applications. IBM screwed the pooch trying to support Windows within
OS/2. Not exactly the same, but similar.
I know many will disagree, and that's alright.
  #24  
Old September 12th 19, 10:19 PM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.os.linux,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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chrisv wrote in
:

Mr. Hand wrote:

On Thu, 12 Sep 2019 12:03:32 -0500, chrisv
wrote:

Mr. Hand wrote:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Linux

And there are many others.
How you can deny this is laughable.

You focus only on those who are critical.


No.
I made a statement that you claim was untrue.
I offered proof.


No you didn't.

Have you ever seen a trial? The prosecution doesn't "offer
proof". They present "evidence". You presented some evidence,
supporting one side of the debate. In a trial, the other side
gets to present evidence, also.

Every group has some assholes. I could present evidence that
Steve Jobs was an asshole. Does that mean that he has a "bad
reputation"? No, it does not.

You offered insults.


Yet another lie, from you. I will read no further.

In truth, it is you who offered insults.

It is you who offered unsupported claims. When challenged, you
lamely responded that I should go-around asking a ****-load of
people what they thought Linux is.

Do you think that you being so unreasonable gets you off the
hook? You made the claims, your job to support them, buddy.

You're just yet another asshole who pulls **** out of his ass
and insults decent people. Then, when someone objects, you
claim that they proved your point (I'm sure that you will again
do so, in response to this post). When it's clear that you are
beaten, you attack with idiocy and lies.

(snipped, unread)



You are being trolled by snit sock puppets.
There are several in this thread.

Mr Hand is just another snit sock puppet.

Key phrase:lashing out.
It's a snit phrase.
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Old September 12th 19, 11:57 PM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Thu, 12 Sep 2019 10:14:16 -0700, T wrote:

On 9/12/19 10:06 AM, chrisv wrote:
T wrote:

(snip)


What, you just copy and paste the same stuff that your wrote earlier?

Here's my response.




Your response is an eMail address?


Bro, do you even compute?

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T wrote:

The user does not give a s*** what OS he is using. He
only cares if his programs work. And Windows owns
the program base. From the user's point of view, if
his Quick Books and his Turbotax does not work, then
the OS does not work. He does not care why.


Many people have no need of such special applications.

Also, as the years progress, more and more applications become
browser-based, making it less and less important what OS is being
used.

Linux's desktop have come into their own. There
are several that are very well done and much better
than Windows 10. Linux need to concentrate on taking
over the install base of software.


The Linux community is already doing what it should be doing.

Obviously, it would be ridiculous to suggest that they could keep-up,
in applications, with the 40X larger Windows ecosystem.

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Old September 13th 19, 12:05 AM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Why Linux On Desktop Failed: A Discussion With Mark Shuttleworth

In article ,
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On Thu, 12 Sep 2019 10:14:16 -0700, T wrote:

On 9/12/19 10:06 AM, chrisv wrote:
T wrote:

(snip)

What, you just copy and paste the same stuff that your wrote earlier?

Here's my response.




Your response is an eMail address?


Bro, do you even compute?


Classic Linux elite response.
Hint, Obi-Linux, most people have no idea about usenet
message IDs nor do they care which is why usenet is one
minor step from dying.


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Freaky.
You understand this ****?


T wrote:

The user does not give a s*** what OS he is using. He
only cares if his programs work. And Windows owns
the program base. From the user's point of view, if
his Quick Books and his Turbotax does not work, then
the OS does not work. He does not care why.


Many people have no need of such special applications.

Also, as the years progress, more and more applications become
browser-based, making it less and less important what OS is being
used.

Linux's desktop have come into their own. There
are several that are very well done and much better
than Windows 10. Linux need to concentrate on taking
over the install base of software.


The Linux community is already doing what it should be doing.


Failing miserably?
Yea, the Linux community are experts at failure.
Desktop Linux is one example.
Thanks for proving his point.



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Old September 13th 19, 12:11 AM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.os.linux,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Ping Pong
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Default Why Linux On Desktop Failed: A Discussion With Mark Shuttleworth

Snit wrote in
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On 9/12/19 2:19 PM, Steve Carroll wrote:

Mr Hand is just another snit sock puppet.


Perhaps the most open you have been about your psychological
problems, Carroll... and the fact you posted it with a sock only
emphasizes how much help you need.



Thanks snit for confirming that you are indeed behind the Mr.hand and
Sprocket posts in this thread.

Folks, we can now ignore this thread like we ignore everything else
snit posts.

P.S. You should have stayed silent snit and you might have been able
to cultivate this troll. But we all know you can't do that.
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Old September 13th 19, 01:15 AM posted to alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Why Linux On Desktop Failed: A Discussion With Mark Shuttleworth

In article , Rabid Rogue
wrote:

Why Linux On Desktop Failed: A Discussion With Mark Shuttleworth

Let me know when there's a transcript available; I don't 'do' video
interviews.

That recent Shuttleworth interview on Kubernetes had a transcript.


What's the matter, can't you get Linux to play the video?
Too bad for you.


That's an unfair question. To be honest, Linux plays more video formats
out of the box than any other operating system even if VLC isn't
pre-installed.


no it definitely does not.

If it doesn't play the video, it gives you the option to
install the codec which WILL play it.


so much for more video formats, and that's the same for other oses.
 




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