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Old March 29th 10, 01:20 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
J. P. Gilliver (John)
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Default W98 2 XP, need ref's dist. of sys files etc.

In message
,
koonaone writes:
[]
Is it possible the Ram usage of XP is a consequence of some XP
applications ram requirements?


Probably; as I said, I've so far not felt the need to get around to
fitting the 2G module I bought, so this netbook still has (and runs fine
on) the 1G it came with. (Since my first computer - which I built with a
soldering iron - had 1K, then upgraded to 8K - and yes, I do mean K not
M - I still can't believe 1G is now considered small.)
[]
0up ERUNT. Isn't the built in restore accessable from DOS? can you
not run regrestore etc?

The default disc system for XP is NTFS (XP will run fine on FAT32, but
that isn't the default). DOS - even assuming you could find a way of
booting into it (remember you haven't got a floppy drive, usually -
certainly not on any netbook I've seen) - can't access NTFS: it would
say it couldn't find any hard drive. Yes, you _can_ use the restore
console from the XP CD (assuming you have one), and _possibly_ boot into
it even if you don't have one, but my understanding is that it's
somewhat fiddly to use. ERUNT works like the old ('95, though it worked
fine on '98, and I believe Me) ERU/ERD - it just backs up certain files,
and makes a utility (in the same directory as the files) that you just
run to restore them. In order to be able to get at the files, though,
you need something that can read NTFS discs, and I used BartPE (on the
recommendation of the chap - Lars, I think - who wrote ERUNT, when I
asked him that very question [how do I get at my backups]). System
restore requires you to at least be able to get some way into Windows to
use it; regrestore I haven't heard of.

(Though keeping the left pane in Explorer showing the tree has taken
some cuffing,
and still doesn't always work, such as when opening a .zip file.)


Exactly why I installed XYPlorer and made it default shell..


I get on OK with Explorer most of the time.

(As a rough rule, I've often found that old friends whose
latest version will work with XP, but will still work with '9x, tend to
have remained speedy and simple to use.)


Now that is a great tip, thanks


Not foolproof of course!
[]
I've used a "dot matrix" [impact] printer with XP


I rue the day I came home to find my landscape wide epson dotmatrix
had
been relegated to a dump. run by a short term overly enthusiastic
bunkmate.


Ouch! (A few years ago you could get big old laser printers for nothing
too; probably too late now as they've all been dumped.)
[]
progress is in general good.

I turned 65 a while back, you just blew your covers young fellow.


Ah, you're OK; I'm 50 next month - not the best time (I know there's
never a good time, but YKWIM) to be made redundant, as I am being.
[]
That worked better than any windows till
w3.11 for workgroups I think it was. So no, I never did use norton
commander type


Oh yes, that's coming back to me now - it was a suite of utilities,
wasn't it. XTree was almost entirely just a file management GUI (or TUI
or COW [see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOS_shell]).
[]
Have you run across a russian affair called Connect, or sometimes the
IBM handshaker?


Nope.
[]
Now the cow is bawling.

yours

douglas

If only "Jumping to a Conclusion" was an event in the Olympics.


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  #17  
Old March 29th 10, 07:25 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
koonaone
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Default W98 2 XP, need ref's dist. of sys files etc.



J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message
,

The default disc system for XP is NTFS (XP will run fine on FAT32, but
that isn't the default). DOS - even assuming you could find a way of
booting into it (remember you haven't got a floppy drive, usually -
certainly not on

any netbook I've seen) - can't access NTFS: it would
say it couldn't find any hard drive.


In that I have had no problems with file read errors, and that I have
poked around in the dos "window", made a dos directory with cd.. ; md
DOS ; dir /p and dos edit works fine in fact I edited a .zulupad ini
file with it; I have just made the assumption that these Acer's must
be fat32 formated. How would I find out if that assumption is wrong?

The F8 on bootup gives the option to boot in safe mode command prompt
but it turns out disabled. I just ran Aida32 on it but am not much
wiser, there is a REM in autoexec.nt to the effect that that file
initializes the ms-dos evironment. Similar in sys.nt.
I was just looking at the bootloader initialisation file boot.ini
Could this be edited to accomplish a clean dos boot when desired? Yes,
of course the first sector would have to be fatx wouldn't it. hmm

The boot entry is:

boot.ini = multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Micro soft
Windows XP Home Edition" /noexecute=optin /fastdetect

would it be prudent to edit this?

. whew, a lot of stuff to think of in just a couple of days,
considering that when I got the things it was to use them more or less
like a glorified cellphone.

Yes, you _can_ use the restore
console from the XP CD (assuming you have one), and _possibly_ boot into
it even if you don't have one,


I accessed cmos on bootup once but don't remember if it boots from USB
or not,

you need something that can read NTFS discs, and I used BartPE (on the
recommendation of the chap - Lars, I think - who wrote ERUNT, when I
asked him that very question [how do I get at my backups]). System
restore requires you to at least be able to get some way into Windows to
use it; regrestore I haven't heard of.


I got it wrong I meant the dos command: scanreg /restore, sorry.

BartPE http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BartPE sounds like just what
the doctor ordered IF these Acer Aspire's boot from USB because as you
say, there's no cd/dvd/floppy bays, nor even a true serial port for
DCC. First thing in the morning when I have some energy I will look at
the bios again and find out

So yes! I must find out how to access the data on the machine in the
event that the current ms OS self destructs as has happened, my first
thought being of course to always have it backed somewhere else on the
lan, or flashdrive,or web for that matter. Also you know if my
writings can't be saved on the machine in dos readable form or
something equally sensible I'll have to wipe xp and put knopix or
ubuntu on them. Linux runs skype perfectly, and recoverability of data
is a sure thing.

bye for now

douglas

If only "Jumping to a Conclusion" was an event in the Olympics.

  #18  
Old March 29th 10, 07:25 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
koonaone
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Default W98 2 XP, need ref's dist. of sys files etc.



J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message
,

The default disc system for XP is NTFS (XP will run fine on FAT32, but
that isn't the default). DOS - even assuming you could find a way of
booting into it (remember you haven't got a floppy drive, usually -
certainly not on

any netbook I've seen) - can't access NTFS: it would
say it couldn't find any hard drive.


In that I have had no problems with file read errors, and that I have
poked around in the dos "window", made a dos directory with cd.. ; md
DOS ; dir /p and dos edit works fine in fact I edited a .zulupad ini
file with it; I have just made the assumption that these Acer's must
be fat32 formated. How would I find out if that assumption is wrong?

The F8 on bootup gives the option to boot in safe mode command prompt
but it turns out disabled. I just ran Aida32 on it but am not much
wiser, there is a REM in autoexec.nt to the effect that that file
initializes the ms-dos evironment. Similar in sys.nt.
I was just looking at the bootloader initialisation file boot.ini
Could this be edited to accomplish a clean dos boot when desired? Yes,
of course the first sector would have to be fatx wouldn't it. hmm

The boot entry is:

boot.ini = multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Micro soft
Windows XP Home Edition" /noexecute=optin /fastdetect

would it be prudent to edit this?

. whew, a lot of stuff to think of in just a couple of days,
considering that when I got the things it was to use them more or less
like a glorified cellphone.

Yes, you _can_ use the restore
console from the XP CD (assuming you have one), and _possibly_ boot into
it even if you don't have one,


I accessed cmos on bootup once but don't remember if it boots from USB
or not,

you need something that can read NTFS discs, and I used BartPE (on the
recommendation of the chap - Lars, I think - who wrote ERUNT, when I
asked him that very question [how do I get at my backups]). System
restore requires you to at least be able to get some way into Windows to
use it; regrestore I haven't heard of.


I got it wrong I meant the dos command: scanreg /restore, sorry.

BartPE http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BartPE sounds like just what
the doctor ordered IF these Acer Aspire's boot from USB because as you
say, there's no cd/dvd/floppy bays, nor even a true serial port for
DCC. First thing in the morning when I have some energy I will look at
the bios again and find out

So yes! I must find out how to access the data on the machine in the
event that the current ms OS self destructs as has happened, my first
thought being of course to always have it backed somewhere else on the
lan, or flashdrive,or web for that matter. Also you know if my
writings can't be saved on the machine in dos readable form or
something equally sensible I'll have to wipe xp and put knopix or
ubuntu on them. Linux runs skype perfectly, and recoverability of data
is a sure thing.

bye for now

douglas

If only "Jumping to a Conclusion" was an event in the Olympics.

  #19  
Old March 29th 10, 08:16 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
koonaone
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Posts: 14
Default W98 2 XP, need ref's dist. of sys files etc.


Aha John, it looks like I'm in luck

For the record: this refers to Acer Aspire One netbook named ACERDOUG,
with Widows XP home edition pre-installed on partition C:\ about
150Gb, with a 10 Gb hidden partition containing restore information.
The bootloader initialisation file "boot.ini" is written thus:

boot.ini = "" multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Micro soft
Windows XP Home Edition" /noexecute=optin /fastdetect ""

The good new is that upon pressing F 12 as soon as the computer is
turned on, the following screen appears:

BOOT MANAGER
boot option menu
1 IDE 0: ACERDOUG
2 Network Boot: Atheros Boot Agent
3 USB HDD: [A-DATA USB Flash Drive*]

[*this just happens to be the HDD that
was in the machine]

Looks like this machine boots from a suitable USB HDD
I will look into the Atheros boot agent business

Thanks for all your help, in reference to my original subject posting,
microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers/ has proven to be a very good
reference site for a newby needing initialisation to Window XP

Bye for now

douglas

koonaone wrote:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message
,

The default disc system for XP is NTFS (XP will run fine on FAT32, but
that isn't the default). DOS - even assuming you could find a way of
booting into it (remember you haven't got a floppy drive, usually -
certainly not on

any netbook I've seen) - can't access NTFS: it would
say it couldn't find any hard drive.


In that I have had no problems with file read errors, and that I have
poked around in the dos "window", made a dos directory with cd.. ; md
DOS ; dir /p and dos edit works fine in fact I edited a .zulupad ini
file with it; I have just made the assumption that these Acer's must
be fat32 formate


d. How would I find out if that assumption is wrong?

The F8 on bootup gives the option to boot in safe mode command prompt
but it turns out disabled. I just ran Aida32 on it but am not much
wiser, there is a REM in autoexec.nt to the effect that that file
initializes the ms-dos evironment. Similar in sys.nt.
I was just looking at the bootloader initialisation file boot.ini
Could this be edited to accomplish a clean dos boot when desired? Yes,
of course the first sector would have to be fatx wouldn't it. hmm

The boot entry is:

boot.ini = multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Micro soft
Windows XP Home Edition" /noexecute=optin /fastdetect

would it be prudent to edit this?

. whew, a lot of stuff to think of in just a couple of days,
considering that when I got the things it was to use them more or less
like a glorified cellphone.

Yes, you _can_ use the restore
console from the XP CD (assuming you have one), and _possibly_ boot into
it even if you don't have one,


I accessed cmos on bootup once but don't remember if it boots from USB
or not,

you need something that can read NTFS discs, and I used BartPE (on the
recommendation of the chap - Lars, I think - who wrote ERUNT, when I
asked him that very question [how do I get at my backups]). System
restore requires you to at least be able to get some way into Windows to
use it; regrestore I haven't heard of.


I got it wrong I meant the dos command: scanreg /restore, sorry.

BartPE http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BartPE sounds like just what
the doctor ordered IF these Acer Aspire's boot from USB because as you
say, there's no cd/dvd/floppy bays, nor even a true serial port for
DCC. First thing in the morning when I have some energy I will look at
the bios again and find out

So yes! I must find out how to access the data on the machine in the
event that the current ms OS self destructs as has happened, my first
thought being of course to always have it backed somewhere else on the
lan, or flashdrive,or web for that matter. Also you know if my
writings can't be saved on the machine in dos readable form or
something equally sensible I'll have to wipe xp and put knopix or
ubuntu on them. Linux runs skype perfectly, and recoverability of data
is a sure thing.

bye for now

douglas

If only "Jumping to a Conclusion" was an event in the Olympics.

  #20  
Old March 29th 10, 08:16 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
koonaone
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Posts: 14
Default W98 2 XP, need ref's dist. of sys files etc.


Aha John, it looks like I'm in luck

For the record: this refers to Acer Aspire One netbook named ACERDOUG,
with Widows XP home edition pre-installed on partition C:\ about
150Gb, with a 10 Gb hidden partition containing restore information.
The bootloader initialisation file "boot.ini" is written thus:

boot.ini = "" multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Micro soft
Windows XP Home Edition" /noexecute=optin /fastdetect ""

The good new is that upon pressing F 12 as soon as the computer is
turned on, the following screen appears:

BOOT MANAGER
boot option menu
1 IDE 0: ACERDOUG
2 Network Boot: Atheros Boot Agent
3 USB HDD: [A-DATA USB Flash Drive*]

[*this just happens to be the HDD that
was in the machine]

Looks like this machine boots from a suitable USB HDD
I will look into the Atheros boot agent business

Thanks for all your help, in reference to my original subject posting,
microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers/ has proven to be a very good
reference site for a newby needing initialisation to Window XP

Bye for now

douglas

koonaone wrote:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message
,

The default disc system for XP is NTFS (XP will run fine on FAT32, but
that isn't the default). DOS - even assuming you could find a way of
booting into it (remember you haven't got a floppy drive, usually -
certainly not on

any netbook I've seen) - can't access NTFS: it would
say it couldn't find any hard drive.


In that I have had no problems with file read errors, and that I have
poked around in the dos "window", made a dos directory with cd.. ; md
DOS ; dir /p and dos edit works fine in fact I edited a .zulupad ini
file with it; I have just made the assumption that these Acer's must
be fat32 formate


d. How would I find out if that assumption is wrong?

The F8 on bootup gives the option to boot in safe mode command prompt
but it turns out disabled. I just ran Aida32 on it but am not much
wiser, there is a REM in autoexec.nt to the effect that that file
initializes the ms-dos evironment. Similar in sys.nt.
I was just looking at the bootloader initialisation file boot.ini
Could this be edited to accomplish a clean dos boot when desired? Yes,
of course the first sector would have to be fatx wouldn't it. hmm

The boot entry is:

boot.ini = multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Micro soft
Windows XP Home Edition" /noexecute=optin /fastdetect

would it be prudent to edit this?

. whew, a lot of stuff to think of in just a couple of days,
considering that when I got the things it was to use them more or less
like a glorified cellphone.

Yes, you _can_ use the restore
console from the XP CD (assuming you have one), and _possibly_ boot into
it even if you don't have one,


I accessed cmos on bootup once but don't remember if it boots from USB
or not,

you need something that can read NTFS discs, and I used BartPE (on the
recommendation of the chap - Lars, I think - who wrote ERUNT, when I
asked him that very question [how do I get at my backups]). System
restore requires you to at least be able to get some way into Windows to
use it; regrestore I haven't heard of.


I got it wrong I meant the dos command: scanreg /restore, sorry.

BartPE http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BartPE sounds like just what
the doctor ordered IF these Acer Aspire's boot from USB because as you
say, there's no cd/dvd/floppy bays, nor even a true serial port for
DCC. First thing in the morning when I have some energy I will look at
the bios again and find out

So yes! I must find out how to access the data on the machine in the
event that the current ms OS self destructs as has happened, my first
thought being of course to always have it backed somewhere else on the
lan, or flashdrive,or web for that matter. Also you know if my
writings can't be saved on the machine in dos readable form or
something equally sensible I'll have to wipe xp and put knopix or
ubuntu on them. Linux runs skype perfectly, and recoverability of data
is a sure thing.

bye for now

douglas

If only "Jumping to a Conclusion" was an event in the Olympics.

  #21  
Old July 7th 10, 08:18 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.newusers
Twayne[_2_]
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Default W98 2 XP, need ref's dist. of sys files etc.

In ,
koonaone typed:
Hi Folks


....


I'm trying to cuff the directory system and default
applications around to my way of thinking but the machine
does things it's own darn way. I should add that my hobby
is trying out new utilities and applications so I'm not a
complete clutze on 98 dll's and where they properly go etc.
but XP I know zilch about.


Microsoft has defined and explained more than you could possbly want to know
about XP onsite and in ther KBs; start there. Wikpedial will help too once
you figure out the termnology; it's not very different from 98 in many ways.

My problem is I havn't found a good (small and concise)
reference that compares the layout and logic of the 2
systems yet.


It can't be done in 2 small and concise manuals.


It may well be that my hobby will have to be restrained
when it comes to XP, there isn't much that I can't do just
fine in 98. Well there is skype, hmmm, and Zotero 2, and
well..... hmmm.


Research


If anyone can point me towards a good info source I will
appreciate it very much. Just as an afternote, it looks
like a nice quiet useful group here, congrats.


MS web site support.microsoft. ... .com

HTH,

Twayne`




yours

douglas

ps I still use a DOS, genuinely, cubical spread sheet that
has functionality not found anywhere else.


Try searchiing: thousands of hiits on Google; e.g.:
cubical spread sheet yielded:
a.. Download Excel Cubic Spline Function Spreadsheet 1.01 Free - Excel ...
Sep 8, 2006 ... Download Excel Cubic Spline Function Spreadsheet - Excel
Cubic Spline Function Spreadsheet is a vba cubic_spline function for
Microsoft ...
www.softpedia.com ... Office tools Other Office Tools - Cached -
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a.. Download Excel Cubic Spline Function Spreadsheet, Excel Cubic ...
Aug 4, 2009 ... Whether you're happy or not testing and using Excel Cubic
Spline Function Spreadsheet 1.01, be our guest and let's solve all the
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