order within save/load dialogue boxes

The default order that directories and files are in a save/load box is
directories first (in alphanumeric order), followed by files (ditto).

I seem to have done something that alters this - the files and
directories _shown to me in save/load boxes_ are in some other order
(creation/modification date maybe? Since date isn't shown in a save/load
box, I can't verify that).

How do I put it back?
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)[email protected]+Sh0!:`)DNAf

RAM disk is *not* an installation procedure.

On 11/7/2010 4:56 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
The default order that directories and files are in a save/load box is
directories first (in alphanumeric order), followed by files (ditto).

I seem to have done something that alters this - the files and
directories shown to me in Save/Load boxes are in some other order
(creation/modification date maybe?) Since date isn't shown in a Save/Load
box, I can't verify that).

How do I put it back?

Open the folders in Explorer, select Detail View and change the order
for those folders. If that doesn't work, try Kelly's fix that sets the
view to Detail View. Then change to the order you prefer.

http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm
Line 85. Set Detail View for all Folders Open/Save As

--

Joe =o)

On Sun, 07 Nov 2010 20:27:18 -0500, Elmo wrote:

On 11/7/2010 4:56 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
The default order that directories and files are in a save/load box is
directories first (in alphanumeric order), followed by files (ditto).

I seem to have done something that alters this - the files and
directories shown to me in Save/Load boxes are in some other order
(creation/modification date maybe?) Since date isn't shown in a Save/Load
box, I can't verify that).

How do I put it back?

Open the folders in Explorer, select Detail View and change the order
for those folders. If that doesn't work, try Kelly's fix that sets the
view to Detail View. Then change to the order you prefer.

http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm
Line 85. Set Detail View for all Folders Open/Save As

And -- very important -- hold down the Ctrl key while closing the
dialog box with the red X. (Or it might be the Shift key, or Ctrl-
Shift: I can't remember and I don't have Windows XP any more. But I
remember it's one of those while closing the dialog box, to lock in
your preference.)

--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com
Shikata ga nai...

In message , Stan Brown
writes:
On Sun, 07 Nov 2010 20:27:18 -0500, Elmo wrote:

On 11/7/2010 4:56 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
The default order that directories and files are in a save/load box is
directories first (in alphanumeric order), followed by files (ditto).

I seem to have done something that alters this - the files and
directories shown to me in Save/Load boxes are in some other order
(creation/modification date maybe?) Since date isn't shown in a Save/Load
box, I can't verify that).

How do I put it back?

Open the folders in Explorer, select Detail View and change the order
for those folders. If that doesn't work, try Kelly's fix that sets the

That didn't work. I just tried to save your post, to a given directory.
I got a save (actually "Export", but that's just this email software -
it's the same if I use "Save" or "Open" in other applications) window
showing the contents of that folder, with the sub-folders in the order
m-, b-, a, f-, J-, d-, a- ... so I hit Cancel, and opened the same
folder in Explorer, and selected View, Details. (Which is what I usually
have in Explorer anyway.) Then I tried to save (Export) the email again.
Same order in the Save window.

view to Detail View. Then change to the order you prefer.

http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm
Line 85. Set Detail View for all Folders Open/Save As

That looks like quite a useful add-on, but that is indeed what it is: an
add-on. Call me perverse, but I want to get to the bottom of how the
order has been changed in the basic Windows Save and Open boxes, before
I start adding.

And -- very important -- hold down the Ctrl key while closing the
dialog box with the red X. (Or it might be the Shift key, or Ctrl-

Which dialog box, and at what point? (I presume you mean the close X at
the top right. I don't have it red.)

Shift: I can't remember and I don't have Windows XP any more. But I
remember it's one of those while closing the dialog box, to lock in
your preference.)

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)[email protected]+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Men were _real_ men, women were _real_ women, and small furry creatures from
Alpha Centauri were _real_ small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri. (s1, ft3)

On 11/8/2010 5:28 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Stan Brown
writes:
On Sun, 07 Nov 2010 20:27:18 -0500, Elmo wrote:

On 11/7/2010 4:56 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
The default order that directories and files are in a save/load box is
directories first (in alphanumeric order), followed by files (ditto).

I seem to have done something that alters this - the files and
directories shown to me in Save/Load boxes are in some other order
(creation/modification date maybe?) Since date isn't shown in a
Save/Load
box, I can't verify that).

How do I put it back?

Open the folders in Explorer, select Detail View and change the order
for those folders. If that doesn't work, try Kelly's fix that sets the

That didn't work. I just tried to save your post, to a given directory.
I got a save (actually "Export", but that's just this email software -
it's the same if I use "Save" or "Open" in other applications) window
showing the contents of that folder, with the sub-folders in the order
m-, b-, a, f-, J-, d-, a- ... so I hit Cancel, and opened the same
folder in Explorer, and selected View, Details. (Which is what I usually
have in Explorer anyway.) Then I tried to save (Export) the email again.
Same order in the Save window.

Here's the whole procedure, and a possible explanation. I found it with
a Google Search:

http://www.technologyquestions.com/t...ialog-box.html

view to Detail View. Then change to the order you prefer.

http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_tweaks.htm
Line 85. Set Detail View for all Folders Open/Save As

That looks like quite a useful add-on, but that is indeed what it is: an
add-on. Call me perverse, but I want to get to the bottom of how the
order has been changed in the basic Windows Save and Open boxes, before
I start adding.

Most of Kelly's tweaks are registry edits.. I forgot that one was a
program. I wouldn't use it either.

And -- very important -- hold down the Ctrl key while closing the
dialog box with the red X. (Or it might be the Shift key, or Ctrl-

Which dialog box, and at what point? (I presume you mean the close X at
the top right. I don't have it red.)

Shift: I can't remember and I don't have Windows XP any more. But I
remember it's one of those while closing the dialog box, to lock in
your preference.)

--

Joe =o)

In message , Elmo
writes:
On 11/8/2010 5:28 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Stan Brown
writes:
On Sun, 07 Nov 2010 20:27:18 -0500, Elmo wrote:

On 11/7/2010 4:56 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
The default order that directories and files are in a save/load box is
directories first (in alphanumeric order), followed by files (ditto).

I seem to have done something that alters this - the files and
directories shown to me in Save/Load boxes are in some other order
(creation/modification date maybe?) Since date isn't shown in a
Save/Load
box, I can't verify that).

How do I put it back?

Open the folders in Explorer, select Detail View and change the order
for those folders. If that doesn't work, try Kelly's fix that sets the

That didn't work. I just tried to save your post, to a given directory.
I got a save (actually "Export", but that's just this email software -
it's the same if I use "Save" or "Open" in other applications) window
showing the contents of that folder, with the sub-folders in the order
m-, b-, a, f-, J-, d-, a- ... so I hit Cancel, and opened the same
folder in Explorer, and selected View, Details. (Which is what I usually
have in Explorer anyway.) Then I tried to save (Export) the email again.
Same order in the Save window.

Here's the whole procedure, and a possible explanation. I found it with
a Google Search:

Thanks - it's difficult to know what to search for.

http://www.technologyquestions.com/t...5828-file-sort
-order-reversed-wrong-file-open-file-save-dialog-box.html

Unfortunately, it didn't work - neither the My Computer | Explore, View
List, sort icons by, Ctrl-X (tried for both C: and D, nor doing the
same in the actual save box itself as suggested by another in the
thread. Though as an interim measure at least knowing I can resort a
save/load window itself will help.
[]
Most of Kelly's tweaks are registry edits.. I forgot that one was a
program. I wouldn't use it either.

Glad you agree (-:

And -- very important -- hold down the Ctrl key while closing the
dialog box with the red X. (Or it might be the Shift key, or Ctrl-

I now realise that is sort of the same as the one you found, but it
specifies Detail View rather than List View.
[]
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)[email protected]+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Men were _real_ men, women were _real_ women, and small furry creatures from
Alpha Centauri were _real_ small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri. (s1, ft3)

If your folder is displaying files and folders with folders at the
bottom...then I will attempt to describe the process using the following
procedure :

Then to make it appear the normal way that yours apparently does not
(folders at the bottom) this is what you would do :

Change the view to "details" (from top menus - "View" "Details" ), then,
click on "Name" from the menu headings that appear only in "Details" view.

This will re-arrange the file / folder order to : "Sort-by-name" (you may
have to click on the heading more than once to get the files / folders in
the right order - i.e. folders at the top in order of name followed by
files, also sorted by name).

Then, while the folders are at the top, choose from the "top menus" again;
"View" "List" (or whatever you had the displayed as ; Icons, Tiles,
Thumbnails, (Filmstrip, in some instances) or List views) and the
sort-order should remain the way it was set when in "Details" view ....

==

Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :-)




"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message
news
In message , Elmo
writes:
On 11/8/2010 5:28 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Stan Brown
writes:
On Sun, 07 Nov 2010 20:27:18 -0500, Elmo wrote:

On 11/7/2010 4:56 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
The default order that directories and files are in a save/load box
is
directories first (in alphanumeric order), followed by files
(ditto).

I seem to have done something that alters this - the files and
directories shown to me in Save/Load boxes are in some other order
(creation/modification date maybe?) Since date isn't shown in a
Save/Load
box, I can't verify that).

How do I put it back?

Open the folders in Explorer, select Detail View and change the order
for those folders. If that doesn't work, try Kelly's fix that sets
the

That didn't work. I just tried to save your post, to a given directory.
I got a save (actually "Export", but that's just this email software -
it's the same if I use "Save" or "Open" in other applications) window
showing the contents of that folder, with the sub-folders in the order
m-, b-, a, f-, J-, d-, a- ... so I hit Cancel, and opened the same
folder in Explorer, and selected View, Details. (Which is what I
usually
have in Explorer anyway.) Then I tried to save (Export) the email
again.
Same order in the Save window.

Here's the whole procedure, and a possible explanation. I found it with
a Google Search:

Thanks - it's difficult to know what to search for.

http://www.technologyquestions.com/t...5828-file-sort
-order-reversed-wrong-file-open-file-save-dialog-box.html

Unfortunately, it didn't work - neither the My Computer | Explore, View
List, sort icons by, Ctrl-X (tried for both C: and D, nor doing the
same in the actual save box itself as suggested by another in the thread.
Though as an interim measure at least knowing I can resort a save/load
window itself will help.
[]
Most of Kelly's tweaks are registry edits.. I forgot that one was a
program. I wouldn't use it either.

Glad you agree (-:

And -- very important -- hold down the Ctrl key while closing the
dialog box with the red X. (Or it might be the Shift key, or Ctrl-

I now realise that is sort of the same as the one you found, but it
specifies Detail View rather than List View.
[]
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985
MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)[email protected]+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Men were _real_ men, women were _real_ women, and small furry creatures
from
Alpha Centauri were _real_ small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri.
(s1, ft3)

I apologise, I foolishly joined this thread half-way through without
reading all the relevant posts...

To do the same as I advised in my last post, but in a Open / Save As...
dialogue box, then instead of using what I called "the Top Menus" "View"
"List" (& etc.,) just click on the button in the Open / Save As... boxes
that reads "View Menu" when your mouse hovers over it, and select the
appropriate item (Icons, Tiles,
Thumbnails, (Filmstrip, in some instances) or List views)....

==

Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :-)




"Tim Meddick" wrote in message
...
If your folder is displaying files and folders with folders at the
bottom...then I will attempt to describe the process using the following
procedure :

Then to make it appear the normal way that yours apparently does not
(folders at the bottom) this is what you would do :

Change the view to "details" (from top menus - "View" "Details" ),
then, click on "Name" from the menu headings that appear only in
"Details" view.

This will re-arrange the file / folder order to : "Sort-by-name" (you
may have to click on the heading more than once to get the files /
folders in the right order - i.e. folders at the top in order of name
followed by files, also sorted by name).

Then, while the folders are at the top, choose from the "top menus"
again; "View" "List" (or whatever you had the displayed as ; Icons,
Tiles, Thumbnails, (Filmstrip, in some instances) or List views) and the
sort-order should remain the way it was set when in "Details" view ....

==

Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :-)




"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message
news
In message , Elmo
writes:
On 11/8/2010 5:28 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Stan
Brown
writes:
On Sun, 07 Nov 2010 20:27:18 -0500, Elmo wrote:

On 11/7/2010 4:56 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
The default order that directories and files are in a save/load
box is
directories first (in alphanumeric order), followed by files
(ditto).

I seem to have done something that alters this - the files and
directories shown to me in Save/Load boxes are in some other order
(creation/modification date maybe?) Since date isn't shown in a
Save/Load
box, I can't verify that).

How do I put it back?

Open the folders in Explorer, select Detail View and change the
order
for those folders. If that doesn't work, try Kelly's fix that sets
the

That didn't work. I just tried to save your post, to a given
directory.
I got a save (actually "Export", but that's just this email software -
it's the same if I use "Save" or "Open" in other applications) window
showing the contents of that folder, with the sub-folders in the order
m-, b-, a, f-, J-, d-, a- ... so I hit Cancel, and opened the same
folder in Explorer, and selected View, Details. (Which is what I
usually
have in Explorer anyway.) Then I tried to save (Export) the email
again.
Same order in the Save window.

Here's the whole procedure, and a possible explanation. I found it with
a Google Search:

Thanks - it's difficult to know what to search for.

http://www.technologyquestions.com/t...5828-file-sort
-order-reversed-wrong-file-open-file-save-dialog-box.html

Unfortunately, it didn't work - neither the My Computer | Explore, View
List, sort icons by, Ctrl-X (tried for both C: and D, nor doing the
same in the actual save box itself as suggested by another in the
thread. Though as an interim measure at least knowing I can resort a
save/load window itself will help.
[]
Most of Kelly's tweaks are registry edits.. I forgot that one was a
program. I wouldn't use it either.

Glad you agree (-:

And -- very important -- hold down the Ctrl key while closing the
dialog box with the red X. (Or it might be the Shift key, or Ctrl-

I now realise that is sort of the same as the one you found, but it
specifies Detail View rather than List View.
[]
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985
MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)[email protected]+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Men were _real_ men, women were _real_ women, and small furry creatures
from
Alpha Centauri were _real_ small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri.
(s1, ft3)

In message , Tim Meddick
writes:
I apologise, I foolishly joined this thread half-way through without
reading all the relevant posts...

Good thing I read on, I was about to bite your head off (-:

To do the same as I advised in my last post, but in a Open / Save As...
dialogue box, then instead of using what I called "the Top Menus"
"View" "List" (& etc.,) just click on the button in the Open / Save
As... boxes that reads "View Menu" when your mouse hovers over it, and
select the appropriate item (Icons, Tiles,
Thumbnails, (Filmstrip, in some instances) or List views)....
[]
1. Excellent! If I select "Details", I can then click on a column
heading (e. g. "Name"), and it's sorted by that - even if I switch back
to "List".
2. But it doesn't _remember_ - next time I do a save, they're back in
the odd order. (Date Modified, I think.) (And it also doesn't remember
if I left it at "Details", either - it goes back to List.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)[email protected]+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"Usenet is a way of being annoyed by people you otherwise never would have met."
- John J. Kinyon

(So glad you read on....)

I experience the same thing - I worked out that sometimes, on certain
folders only, the "Open / Save As..." dialogue boxes take their instruction
on how to display files, in that folder, from the way that folder was last
viewed in Windows Explorer.

That is; if you last chose to view "C:\My Folder" in "thumbnails view" then
that is how it will be displayed in the "Open / Save As..." dialogue box!

Again, this is only for some folders, and only (I believe) if the setting
"Remember each folder's view setting" is checkmarked in the "Folder
Options" control panel.

To re-set all folders so that they will appear in the "Detailed" view all
the time in both Windows Explorer and the "Open / Save As..." dialogue
box - first clear the setting I just described. Open a [any] folder and
choose "Detailed" view. Then press the "Reset All Folders" button in the
"Folder Options" control panel....

==

Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :-)




"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message
...
In message , Tim Meddick
writes:
I apologise, I foolishly joined this thread half-way through without
reading all the relevant posts...

Good thing I read on, I was about to bite your head off (-:

To do the same as I advised in my last post, but in a Open / Save As...
dialogue box, then instead of using what I called "the Top Menus" "View"
"List" (& etc.,) just click on the button in the Open / Save As...
boxes that reads "View Menu" when your mouse hovers over it, and select
the appropriate item (Icons, Tiles,
Thumbnails, (Filmstrip, in some instances) or List views)....
[]
1. Excellent! If I select "Details", I can then click on a column heading
(e. g. "Name"), and it's sorted by that - even if I switch back to
"List".
2. But it doesn't _remember_ - next time I do a save, they're back in the
odd order. (Date Modified, I think.) (And it also doesn't remember if I
left it at "Details", either - it goes back to List.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985
MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)[email protected]+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"Usenet is a way of being annoyed by people you otherwise never would
have met."
- John J. Kinyon

In message , Tim Meddick
writes:
(So glad you read on....)

I experience the same thing - I worked out that sometimes, on certain
folders only, the "Open / Save As..." dialogue boxes take their
instruction on how to display files, in that folder, from the way that
folder was last viewed in Windows Explorer.

That is; if you last chose to view "C:\My Folder" in "thumbnails view"
then that is how it will be displayed in the "Open / Save As..."
dialogue box!

Again, this is only for some folders, and only (I believe) if the
setting "Remember each folder's view setting" is checkmarked in the
"Folder Options" control panel.

To re-set all folders so that they will appear in the "Detailed" view
all the time in both Windows Explorer and the "Open / Save As..."
dialogue box - first clear the setting I just described. Open a [any]
folder and choose "Detailed" view. Then press the "Reset All Folders"
button in the "Folder Options" control panel....
[]
Hooray - that worked, at last! I've never touched the "Reset All
Folders" button before; I always assumed it would reset all to some
Microsoft-set default.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)[email protected]+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"Life is sexually transmitted, and invariably fatal" - a [re]stolen tagline

It's the little things in life........

==

Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :-)




"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote in message

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