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Cam Setup
I have a Panasonic BLC1A camera that I am trying to set up.
Router is a Amped R20000G. Laptop is Win XP Pro latest update. I think there are several ways to do this but am not sure what exactly to do. I am trying to follow the setup software provided but keep failing. The install software and docs are not easily understood by me. Method 1 uses uPnP. I have to enable uPnP in my router and use a web server provided by Panasonic (if it still exists) to provide a fixed IP address so I can access the cam from anywhere. But I understand that using uPnP is dangerous as a back door. Is that true or is it a matter of setting something up properly? How do I do that? Method 2 (not sure if I understand this) is to somehow use a fixed IP address (how do I get this) and then allow the router to pass communications through the router to the fixed IP address. How do I do that? I only know of the local IP address based on 192.168.3.253. Any help or terminology to study please. |
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From: "BeeJ"
I have a Panasonic BLC1A camera that I am trying to set up. Router is a Amped R20000G. Laptop is Win XP Pro latest update. I think there are several ways to do this but am not sure what exactly to do. I am trying to follow the setup software provided but keep failing. The install software and docs are not easily understood by me. Method 1 uses uPnP. I have to enable uPnP in my router and use a web server provided by Panasonic (if it still exists) to provide a fixed IP address so I can access the cam from anywhere. But I understand that using uPnP is dangerous as a back door. Is that true or is it a matter of setting something up properly? How do I do that? Method 2 (not sure if I understand this) is to somehow use a fixed IP address (how do I get this) and then allow the router to pass communications through the router to the fixed IP address. How do I do that? I only know of the local IP address based on 192.168.3.253. Any help or terminology to study please. It is a Wired ethernet device. It will get an address via DHCP from the Router and will setup like any other device. What have you done so far with it ? What are you trying to do with it ? Do you intend to access this camera from the POV of the Internet ? You have to describe your intentions 'cause it is those in tentions that drive the setup. BTW: uPnP is not a dangerous backdoor and with all those groups cross-posted to, NONE are networking groups and while this is a CCD camera, it is a network appliance and is not "windowsXP.hardware", it is a networked device and OS independent. -- Dave Multi-AV Scanning Tool - http://multi-av.thespykiller.co.uk http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp |
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On Thu, 18 Apr 2013 08:48:36 -0700, BeeJ wrote:
I have a Panasonic BLC1A camera that I am trying to set up. Router is a Amped R20000G. Laptop is Win XP Pro latest update. I think there are several ways to do this but am not sure what exactly to do. I am trying to follow the setup software provided but keep failing. The install software and docs are not easily understood by me. Method 1 uses uPnP. I have to enable uPnP in my router and use a web server provided by Panasonic (if it still exists) to provide a fixed IP address so I can access the cam from anywhere. But I understand that using uPnP is dangerous as a back door. Is that true or is it a matter of setting something up properly? How do I do that? Method 2 (not sure if I understand this) is to somehow use a fixed IP address (how do I get this) and then allow the router to pass communications through the router to the fixed IP address. How do I do that? I only know of the local IP address based on 192.168.3.253. Any help or terminology to study please. If you don't need full motion but can get by with snapshots, you can use Yawcam to push pics every minute or whatever to a Dropbox folder. That's all free and works great, and you don't have to mess with routers and ports and stuff like that. -- John Larkin Highland Technology Inc www.highlandtechnology.com jlarkin at highlandtechnology dot com Precision electronic instrumentation Picosecond-resolution Digital Delay and Pulse generators Custom timing and laser controllers Photonics and fiberoptic TTL data links VME analog, thermocouple, LVDT, synchro, tachometer Multichannel arbitrary waveform generators |
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BeeJ wrote:
I have a Panasonic BLC1A camera that I am trying to set up. Router is a Amped R20000G. Laptop is Win XP Pro latest update. I think there are several ways to do this but am not sure what exactly to do. I am trying to follow the setup software provided but keep failing. The install software and docs are not easily understood by me. Method 1 uses uPnP. I have to enable uPnP in my router and use a web server provided by Panasonic (if it still exists) to provide a fixed IP address so I can access the cam from anywhere. But I understand that using uPnP is dangerous as a back door. Is that true or is it a matter of setting something up properly? How do I do that? Method 2 (not sure if I understand this) is to somehow use a fixed IP address (how do I get this) and then allow the router to pass communications through the router to the fixed IP address. How do I do that? I only know of the local IP address based on 192.168.3.253. Any help or terminology to study please. BeeJ sitting in McDonalds ----- Broadband Modem ---- BLC1A IP camera wanting to "watch house" and Router web server Port forwarding, --- data stream port 80 etc. 5000Kbit/sec --- --- 800Kbit/sec 1) Your ISP has a Terms of Service (TOS). It states what applications you can use. Operating a "server" on your home LAN, port forwarding or using DMZ so it is visible outside, is against the TOS of a home Internet account. If you buy a business account instead, it is allowed. 2) In the diagram, the "good" direction is the 5000 download rate. However, when you run a server, that uses bandwidth in the other direction (800). That may be too slow for a high res compressed video stream. A business account can have symmetric bandwidth, like 5000 down, 5000 up, and then you can Skype or IP cam to quite a high res. My ISP sells me 800, when the actual rate is 300 to 400. The service guarantee says "up to 800", not "exactly 800". 3) Port Forwarding or using DMZ on the router, exposes you to the Internet. Not only can BeeJ in McDonalds send packets to the camera, *I* can send packets to the camera. I will sit there, trying to brute force the password on the camera. I'm a badd ass script kiddie. See the exposure ? When you don't open ports on the router, the router takes most of the abuse from script kiddies like myself, and the LAN side is relatively safe (NAT, stateful packet inspection). 4) The ISP has a packet classifier. It can detect attempts to run a mail server, on *any* port number, and close that port, all fully automatically. It's not even a matter of the ISP "noticing" what you're doing. Policy enforcement is done with hardware. The ISP can check the logs later. No need for an "operator" to scan your activities, like a security guard. Hardware does it instead. Your IP cam, being a web server, may run on Port 80. You were probably thinking "well, if I use port 9000 instead, they'll never notice". Packets have recognizable characteristics, and HTTP protocol can likely be sniffed. They could immediately spot a web server and close the port number. On my previous ISP, the classifier opens the port after you stop abusing it, about 15 minutes later. That's how long a response from the box lasts, when it detects a policy violation. Even when a user has a business Internet account, rule still apply. Generally, the ISP does not put all the port rules in writing. You only discover, as a businessman, that you can't run your own mail server. The tech support may not choose to verify any "rules" with regard to what port number or protocols are policed. For example, some classifier schemes, interfere with BitTorrent traffic. When my ISP first got their classifier "God Box", it was even sending RST packets for regular traffic! (That causes random connection problems while surfing.) RST packets are normal, except when you get too many of them, as a response from too many different servers. Then you suspect they're faked by the ISP. 5) To set things up, you use Dynamic DNS, where your ISP assigned IP address, has a "name" associated with it. You use a DynDNS service, to update the info, so you don't have to record the current public IP address manually. The rest of the procedure, you can follow the manual for that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_DNS (DNS lookup) BeeJ.camera.com --- 207.49.17.23 --- router,uPnP --- 192.168.2.100 port 80 The 207.49.17.23 is the IP address from the ISP DHCP server, and that number changes every time you set up a DHCP lease (i.e. start a session). DynDNS takes the current 207.49.17.23 number, and sends it via a DNS service, so that the mapping can be updated. BeeJ sitting in McDonalds, using a web browser, types in "http:\\BeeJ.camera.com" and out comes the video. Many home Internet accounts, use dynamic addressing, which is why this is necessary. Some ISPs offer static addresses, in which case a DynDNS service is not required. (The mapping is always correct, and you don't have to do anything.) If you use a DynDNS service, the power went off at home, then power comes back on, you've totally automated rebooting, it can take up to fifteen minutes for the new mapping for the newly acquired DHCP lease, to appear on the Internet. And DynDNS services, place a limit on how many updates they're willing to do, per day. Like many services, they have "anti-hammering" rules. When I connected and disconnected my modem from the ISP, too many times in one minute, the ISP automatically blocked me for 15 minutes, before I could start a new session. That's an example of anti-hammering, even on your ISP account. That's an automatic feature too (no human disconnected me). Now, I don't hammer the DHCP server, quite as hard, having learned my lesson. ******* Other than that, well, have fun. Give it a try, and see what happens. One guy on here, runs IP cameras from a remote location, and so far, I have not heard him report any horror stories. So take all my warnings, with a grain of salt. You can: 1) Run a camera. Save content to computer disk. 2) FTP transfer or email recorded content, to a third-party server somewhere. 3) Sit in McDonalds, visit the third-party server, download the recorded content. Now you have non-real-time, non-streaming, monitoring. 4) That doesn't constitute running a server, as the connections appear to be client connections and not server connections. The FTP upload is still slow, as would be the email upload. The speed doesn't change. Just the "non-TOS" methodology. No classifier rules will trigger on this. (But send too many emails, to your ISP email server, and there's probably a hammering rule for that too. Spammers send many emails per minute, so a home internet account may have email send limits.) FTP uploading should be OK, until you run out of bandwidth allocation for the month. Take bitrate of camera, and compute how many gigabytes that is, to upload all of it, in a month. HTH, Paul |
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On 4/18/2013 11:48 AM, BeeJ wrote:
I have a Panasonic BLC1A camera that I am trying to set up. Router is a Amped R20000G. Laptop is Win XP Pro latest update. I think there are several ways to do this but am not sure what exactly to do. I am trying to follow the setup software provided but keep failing. The install software and docs are not easily understood by me. Method 1 uses uPnP. I have to enable uPnP in my router and use a web server provided by Panasonic (if it still exists) to provide a fixed IP address so I can access the cam from anywhere. But I understand that using uPnP is dangerous as a back door. Is that true or is it a matter of setting something up properly? How do I do that? Method 2 (not sure if I understand this) is to somehow use a fixed IP address (how do I get this) and then allow the router to pass communications through the router to the fixed IP address. How do I do that? I only know of the local IP address based on 192.168.3.253. Any help or terminology to study please. Set the camera to a address within the routers address space If the router's DHCP service works, you should not have to do this. You indicated that the router uses 128.168.3.xxx as the address space? The first three numbers are dependent upon the router, and the last may be the default camera address. (Many routers use 192.168.0.xxx) It's important to know the routers address space, and how to setup the router to allow/disallow access to specific addresses. You did not identify the make and model of the router, so specific advice cannot be given. Within the address space, you may have other devices (P/Cs, Printers, etc. that are assigned addresses, either static or dynamic addresses. Assignment of static addresses is normally done outside the address space used of dynamic addressing. Mfr's software often uses an address scheme that is different than the IP address. This address may be shown on the camera label or the in the documentation. It is recognizable by is format, a sequence of two numbers or letters followed by : between the pairs. Camera instructions (You have the Wired Version) http://service.us.panasonic.com/OPERMANPDF/BLC1A.PDF |
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On 4/18/2013 11:48 AM, BeeJ wrote:
I have a Panasonic BLC1A camera that I am trying to set up. Router is a Amped R20000G. Laptop is Win XP Pro latest update. I think there are several ways to do this but am not sure what exactly to do. I am trying to follow the setup software provided but keep failing. The install software and docs are not easily understood by me. Method 1 uses uPnP. I have to enable uPnP in my router and use a web server provided by Panasonic (if it still exists) to provide a fixed IP address so I can access the cam from anywhere. But I understand that using uPnP is dangerous as a back door. Is that true or is it a matter of setting something up properly? How do I do that? Method 2 (not sure if I understand this) is to somehow use a fixed IP address (how do I get this) and then allow the router to pass communications through the router to the fixed IP address. How do I do that? I only know of the local IP address based on 192.168.3.253. Any help or terminology to study please. I don't know your products but your router should give the cam an IP address using DHCP, or you can manually assign the address from one of the private address pools.Your software would need to see the address and display the cam output. If you want to see the cam over the internet you may need to port forward configure the router. Tom |
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On 4/18/2013 11:48 AM, BeeJ wrote:
I have a Panasonic BLC1A camera that I am trying to set up. Router is a Amped R20000G. Laptop is Win XP Pro latest update. I think there are several ways to do this but am not sure what exactly to do. I am trying to follow the setup software provided but keep failing. The install software and docs are not easily understood by me. Method 1 uses uPnP. I have to enable uPnP in my router and use a web server provided by Panasonic (if it still exists) to provide a fixed IP address so I can access the cam from anywhere. But I understand that using uPnP is dangerous as a back door. Is that true or is it a matter of setting something up properly? How do I do that? Method 2 (not sure if I understand this) is to somehow use a fixed IP address (how do I get this) and then allow the router to pass communications through the router to the fixed IP address. How do I do that? I only know of the local IP address based on 192.168.3.253. Any help or terminology to study please. I don't know your products but your router should give the cam an IP address using DHCP, or you can manually assign the address from one of the private address pools.Your software would need to see the address and display the cam output. If you want to see the cam over the internet you may need to port forward configure the router. Tom |
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Per BeeJ:
I have a Panasonic BLC1A camera that I am trying to set up. Router is a Amped R20000G. Laptop is Win XP Pro latest update. I think there are several ways to do this but am not sure what exactly to do. I am trying to follow the setup software provided but keep failing. Typically an IP camera has it's own web page which you can use to set it up. To get to the page, find out the cam's address on your network (a utility called "NetScan" is one way....) Then type that address, followed by port 80 into your browser window. e.g. if the cam's addr were 192.168.3.200, you would type http://192.168.3.200:80 into your browser. That will get you to a rendering of what the camera sees and, probably, to some setup options. One problem is going to be making sure it winds up with the same IP addr every time it's connected. With no intervention on your part, your router will assign it an address each time it's connected. What you want to do is tell the router to always assign it a certain address. You *could* tell the camera to always take a certain address, but you have to go into the router anyhow (below) if you want to get to the camera from outside your home. The task is telling the router to do something called "Port Forwarding" to port 80 of the camera's address. Track down one of your techie neighbors or work colleagues. It's not rocket science, but you can spend hours groping around if you come at it cold. Once you have the router doing the Port Forwarding thing, you can get to it from outside your home by typing your home's IP address followed by the port into a browser. e.g. http://108.16.41.19:80 Type "www.ipchicken.com" into your browser while at home to see your home's current IP address. "Current" because it will probably change every time you turn the router off and then on again. This leads us to the last step: getting an unchanging IP address. To do this, you register with any number of freebie services that will let you pick a name (e.g. JimJones.DynDNS.org) and associate it with your current IP address. Once you've done that, you can either set your router or your home PC to keep refreshing that address and you can get at the camera from afar via http://JimJones.DynDNS.org:80. Again, find that techie and have him lead you through this. -- Pete Cresswell |
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"BeeJ" wrote in message ...
I have a Panasonic BLC1A camera that I am trying to set up. Router is a Amped R20000G. Laptop is Win XP Pro latest update. I think there are several ways to do this but am not sure what exactly to do. I am trying to follow the setup software provided but keep failing. The install software and docs are not easily understood by me. Method 1 uses uPnP. I have to enable uPnP in my router and use a web server provided by Panasonic (if it still exists) to provide a fixed IP address so I can access the cam from anywhere. But I understand that using uPnP is dangerous as a back door. Is that true or is it a matter of setting something up properly? How do I do that? Method 2 (not sure if I understand this) is to somehow use a fixed IP address (how do I get this) and then allow the router to pass communications through the router to the fixed IP address. How do I do that? I only know of the local IP address based on 192.168.3.253. Any help or terminology to study please. If you don't want to use uPnP, you have find out what port number and IP address the camera is using and configure your router to forward it appropriately. page 41 on http://service.us.panasonic.com/OPERMANPDF/BLC1A.PDF page 52 on http://www.ampedwireless.com/datashe...UsersGuide.pdf If you want a fixed IP address, contact your ISP. Mine assigns residential customers dynamically and only gives fixed addresses to businesses. Practically speaking, my IP address only changes when my cable modem gets unplugged or loses power, and when that happens, I just reconfigure everything with my new IP address. Ben |
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charlie wrote on 4/18/2013 :
On 4/18/2013 11:48 AM, BeeJ wrote: I have a Panasonic BLC1A camera that I am trying to set up. Router is a Amped R20000G. Laptop is Win XP Pro latest update. I think there are several ways to do this but am not sure what exactly to do. I am trying to follow the setup software provided but keep failing. The install software and docs are not easily understood by me. Method 1 uses uPnP. I have to enable uPnP in my router and use a web server provided by Panasonic (if it still exists) to provide a fixed IP address so I can access the cam from anywhere. But I understand that using uPnP is dangerous as a back door. Is that true or is it a matter of setting something up properly? How do I do that? Method 2 (not sure if I understand this) is to somehow use a fixed IP address (how do I get this) and then allow the router to pass communications through the router to the fixed IP address. How do I do that? I only know of the local IP address based on 192.168.3.253. Any help or terminology to study please. Set the camera to a address within the routers address space If the router's DHCP service works, you should not have to do this. You indicated that the router uses 128.168.3.xxx as the address space? The first three numbers are dependent upon the router, and the last may be the default camera address. (Many routers use 192.168.0.xxx) It's important to know the routers address space, and how to setup the router to allow/disallow access to specific addresses. You did not identify the make and model of the router, so specific advice cannot be given. Within the address space, you may have other devices (P/Cs, Printers, etc. that are assigned addresses, either static or dynamic addresses. Assignment of static addresses is normally done outside the address space used of dynamic addressing. Mfr's software often uses an address scheme that is different than the IP address. This address may be shown on the camera label or the in the documentation. It is recognizable by is format, a sequence of two numbers or letters followed by : between the pairs. Camera instructions (You have the Wired Version) http://service.us.panasonic.com/OPERMANPDF/BLC1A.PDF I did but again Router is a Amped R20000G. |
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