Have you noticed the new Chromium-based Edge browser via [Update & security] apparently COMPLETELY replaces the old Edge browser?

Have you noticed the new free Chromium-based Edge browser
[Update & security Check for updates [Download]
apparently COMPLETELY replaces the old Edge browser?

I wasn't thinking about it all that much, when, yesterday, I clicked on:
o Settings Update & security [Check for updates] [Download]

Which installed the new Edge Chromium-based browser.
o After rebooting, it seems to have (completely?) replaced the old Edge

I wasn't expecting that since I wasn't expecting anything other than adding
yet-another freeware browser to fit my browser philosophy:
o Discussion of two different privacy-related browser philosophies
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.comp.freeware/H4694--5znY

Since I didn't expect the new Edge to _replace_ the old Edge, I didn't
document the details of how it did that (apparently).

At least on cursory inspection, it "appears" that this new Edge Browser
obtained from the typical "Check for updates", completely replaced the old
Edge browser.

Is that the case?
o Have you experienced the same thing recently?
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NOTE: I had previously manually downloaded the Chromium Edge browser which
did NOT replace the old Edge Browser, where I like to have as many browsers
as I need to since each browser does one site type and one site type only.

On Tue, 23 Jun 2020 05:48:07 +0000, Arlen Holder wrote:

Have you noticed the new free Chromium-based Edge browser [Update &
security Check for updates [Download]
apparently COMPLETELY replaces the old Edge browser?

I wasn't thinking about it all that much, when, yesterday, I clicked on:
o Settings Update & security [Check for updates] [Download]

Which installed the new Edge Chromium-based browser.
o After rebooting, it seems to have (completely?) replaced the old Edge

I wasn't expecting that since I wasn't expecting anything other than
adding yet-another freeware browser to fit my browser philosophy:
o Discussion of two different privacy-related browser philosophies
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.comp.freeware/H4694--5znY

Since I didn't expect the new Edge to _replace_ the old Edge, I didn't
document the details of how it did that (apparently).

At least on cursory inspection, it "appears" that this new Edge Browser
obtained from the typical "Check for updates", completely replaced the
old Edge browser.

Is that the case?
o Have you experienced the same thing recently?

Yes, it indeed is.

Edge chromium will replace the original edge, which is good for web
browsing and compability with youtube and google services. The old edge
still the best for pdf reader though.

On Tue, 23 Jun 2020 05:57:36 -0000 (UTC), Donald Jones wrote:

Is that the case?
o Have you experienced the same thing recently?

Yes, it indeed is.

Edge chromium will replace the original edge, which is good for web
browsing and compability with youtube and google services. The old edge
still the best for pdf reader though.

Thanks for that confirmation...
o The good news, I think, is that you have a choice.

If you run the Edge up{grade,date} from Windows settings...
o You get no choice; the new Edge replaces the old Edge (apparently).

If you download & install the new Edge manually...
o You apparently get a _second_ Edge (although I'd have to re-test that).

Note: I'm not quite sure of the above because I wasn't paying attention
all that much when I did it manually a few weeks ago, and when I let
Windows do it two days ago.
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That's why I'm asking if others had a similar or different experience.

On 6/23/20 12:48 AM, Arlen Holder wrote:
Have you noticed the new free Chromium-based Edge browser
[Update & security Check for updates [Download]
apparently COMPLETELY replaces the old Edge browser?

I haven't got it yet (running Edge still shows version 18) even after
doing "check for updates".

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On 6/24/2020 12:36 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 6/23/20 12:48 AM, Arlen Holder wrote:
Have you noticed the new free Chromium-based Edge browser
[Update & security Check for updates [Download]
apparently COMPLETELY replaces the old Edge browser?

I haven't got it yet (running Edge still shows version 18) even after
doing "check for updates".


It's Version 83.0.478.54 (Official build) (64-bit) here.


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Ken

On Wed, 24 Jun 2020 13:51:14 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

I haven't got it yet (running Edge still shows version 18) even after
doing "check for updates".


It's Version 83.0.478.54 (Official build) (64-bit) here.

Apparently there's no choice moving forward, so, if anyone wants to
save the old Edge, now is the time to save it - before it's gone...
https://www.techradar.com/news/windows-10-update-problem-could-make-your-pc-slower-heres-how-to-fix-it

"Microsoft has released a recent Windows 10 update that
switches its Edge web browser to the new Chromium version
(*whether you want it to or not*), but it appears the update
is also causing some PCs to boot more slowly."

o Windows 10 update could make your PC slower ¡V here's how to fix it
https://www.windowslatest.com/2020/06/28/windows-10-kb4559309-edge-update-issues/

"Last month, Microsoft also started pushing a new Windows 10 update
that automatically updates the old Edge to the new one
*without any user intervention*.

Depending on your current version of Windows, Microsoft says you'll
receive KB4559309, KB4541301 or KB4541302. The difference between a
normal cumulative update and Edge update is that the latter is an
automatic update and it will be forced on your system."
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If you really want to save the "old" Edge, now is the time for sure.

In article ,

Arlen Holder says...

but it appears the update
is also causing some PCs to boot more slowly."


Not here,updated to

Version 83.0.478.56 (Official build) (64-bit)

5 days ago. not noticed anything out of the ordinary.

I run it side by side with Chrome, it looks and acts like Chromes not
quite identical twin, which is fine by me.


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Ken

On Tue, 23 Jun 2020 05:48:07 -0000 (UTC), Arlen Holder wrote:

Have you noticed the new free Chromium-based Edge browser
[Update & security Check for updates [Download]
apparently COMPLETELY replaces the old Edge browser?

UPDATE:

I forgot to mention I figured out how to get all three Windows browsers to
work on Windows 10 concurrently.

See this response just now, for example, on this thread:
o internet exporer pullled by Microsoft?, by Bentot
https://alt.comp.os.windows-10.narkive.com/Iq6fdo9G/internet-exporer-pullled-by-microsoft
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.comp.microsoft.windows/8RGvF5vEgyg

On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 16:34:41 -0500, gooby wrote:

o Otherwise, it's too much of a PITA to even go rummaging to look for 'em.

Check in c:\app\web\

All ur browsers be in there. same sence xp.

Holy cow! I don't know you, but you clearly know me well!
o My menus from Windows 95 to XP to Win7, Vista, & Win10 are the same!

Exact same files, in fact; simply zipped up to port to _all_ my PCs!
o They have only improved slightly, over the decades, with new software.

Even iOS/Android devices use, essentially, the same functional hierarchy
o What we do on a computer doesn't change, essentially, between machines.

We edit, we browse, we archive, we network, we telecommunicate, etc.
o The fact you know that fact, means, you know me well: You are good!

What we do is the same functional menu hierarchy on all desktop machines!
o https://i.postimg.cc/PrcV1pXF/browser06.jpg

You're actually damn good because one in a million can do what you said!
o https://i.postimg.cc/QN6rbSQD/browser05.jpg

1. Here is my screenshot of C:\app\ where browser is next, as you knew:
o https://i.postimg.cc/jqvR1RrG/browser01.jpg

2. Below that, are the "types" of browsers, one of which is http
o https://i.postimg.cc/xdrQmCKb/browser02.jpg

3. Inside of http shows four fundamental browser code bases:
(chromium based, mozilla based, independents, & microsoft based)
o https://i.postimg.cc/Y9MwXsDr/browser03.jpg

4. Inside the Microsoft code base are the three MS Windows 10 browsers:
(internet explorer, old legacy Edge UWB classic, new Edge Chrome)
o https://i.postimg.cc/4y3RGhTj/browser04.jpg

Looking at the M$ *.lnk shortcuts, these are the TARGETS to each:
a. Internet Explorer
TARGET: "C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\iexplore.exe"
b. Old legacy Edge UWB classic
TARGET: %windir%\explorer.exe shell:Appsfolder\Microsoft.MicrosoftEdge_8wekyb3d8 bbwe!MicrosoftEdge
c. New Edge Chrome
TARGET: "C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft\Edge\Application\msedge.exe"

Entering those commands into the Win+R Run box brings up each browser:
a. InternetExplorer: Gear icon About Internet Explorer
Version 11.959.18362.0 (Update version 11.0.200)
b. Edge UWB: Elipses Settings General About this app
Version Microsoft Edge 44.18362.449.0
Version Microsoft EdgeHTML 18.18363
c. Edge Chrome: Elipses Settings About Microsoft Edge
Version 84.0.522.50 (Official build) (64-bit)

As you noted, all three browsers work just fine concurrently in Win10!
https://i.postimg.cc/PrcV1pXF/browser06.jpg
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On Sat, 1 Aug 2020 03:38:31 -0000 (UTC), Arlen Holder wrote:

I forgot to mention I figured out how to get all three Windows browsers to
work on Windows 10 concurrently.

I should note there were a few simple "tricks" that were needed in order to
get all three Microsoft browsers to coexist peacefully on Windows 10.

While Internet Explorer, AFAIK, is unaffected when installilng the new Edge.
o "C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\iexplore.exe"
https://i.postimg.cc/PrcV1pXF/browser06.jpg

As far as I know, unless you change two registry keys, whenever Edge Chrome
is installed, the old Edge legacy classic UWB is "hidden" automatically.
o Edge Chrome:
"C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft\Edge\Application\msedge.exe"
o Edge UWB:
%windir%\explorer.exe shell:Appsfolder\Microsoft.MicrosoftEdge_8wekyb3d8 bbwe!MicrosoftEdge

AFAIK, the old Edge comes back the instant you delete the new Edge,
but in most Windows 10 systems, you can't delete the new Edge
(the control panel and systems add/remove programs is grayed out).

However, if you know the trick below, you can easily delete it!
o C:\ cd C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft\Edge\Application\84.0.522.50\Insta ller\
o C:\ setup.exe --uninstall --system-level --force-uninstall --verbose-logging
https://i.postimg.cc/2SzGQkQZ/archive-installer.jpg

Note that the given logging option is optional and that the directory name
(in my case, it's the current version 84.0.522.50) will change over time
because it's based on the version of new Edge that you have installed.

You need this trick because the "Uninstall" is grayed out in the GUI.

But the new Edge will come back with the next Windows Update, unless you
know two more tricks, which are registry keys to change to allow peace &
harmony among Edges (and yet another trick, which is the timing of it all).
o https://i.postimg.cc/QN6rbSQD/browser05.jpg

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\EdgeUpdate]
"DoNotUpdateToEdgeWithChromium"=dword:00000001

And

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Edg eUpdate]
"Allowsxs"=dword:00000001

The former prevents Windows Update from stepping on your browser of choice,
and the latter allows peaceful coexistence of the two Edges concurrently.

All this is AFAIK, as I've only done it once, on one machine, so I ask
others who test it out to clarify, correct, and continue to add value.
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On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 23:49:36 +0100, Unsteadyken wrote:

I run it side by side with Chrome, it looks and acts like Chromes not
quite identical twin, which is fine by me.

Are you sure _both_ are working _after_ subsequent Windows updates?
o In case they're not... and for those who want all three MS browsers...

Here are two tutorials, each of which took me hours to test,
which will benefit others who want to install all _three_ Microsoft
browsers side by side.

o Tutorial to set up 3 Microsoft web browsers
(Edge UWB, new Edge, & Internet Explorer)
to work concurrently coexisting peacefully
even after subsequent Windows Updates
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.comp.freeware/fZlJTYRxYFg

The first tutorial in that thread assumes people made the mistake of
installing the new (Chrome) Edge, which hides the old Edge (by default).
o https://i.postimg.cc/PrcV1pXF/browser06.jpg

The second tutorial in that thread I just wrote up after setting up a new
Windows 10 machine, where it assumes you still have the old Legacy Edge.
o https://i.postimg.cc/q7VC5YXV/microsoft-browsers01.jpg

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