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  #1  
Old September 1st 20, 06:04 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.microsoft.windows,alt.msdos.batch
Arlen Holder
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Default Tutorial for creating cclip & killall clearing the Windows clipboard & killing users' tasks in one fell swoop

Tutorial on how to create a free cclip (clear clipboard) command on Windows
(As always, please improve so that everyone benefits from your input.)

Given that, at least on mobile devices, free software that should NOT be
reading your clipboard _is_ reading your clipboard, it behooves us to
consider automatic and/or manual deletion of the clipboard contents.
o Copy, paste catastrophe: how Apple's iOS 14 disrupted clipboard espionage
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/NehSRB4Ka-8

For clipboard contents manual deletion:
o Win+R cmd echo off | clip

For clipboard contents auto deletion freewa
o https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/clipttl.html

*Here's a method I just implemented & documented for others to benefit*.

1. Create a shortcut named cclip.lnk (i.e., clean clipboard):

Use any hierarchy you like; I put mine in my system "Run" directory:
C:\data\sys\run\cclip.lnk
TARGET = %comspec% /c "echo off | clip"
START IN: C:\Windows\system32

2. If desired, create a "cclip" command using the AppPaths key:
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Ap p Paths\
New Key === cclip.exe
Default === C:\data\sys\run\cclip.lnk

Note: The key name can be anything you want it to be
(as long as it ends with ".exe")
Note: There could be, but on my system, there is no file
actually named 'cclip.exe' (as it's just a keyword).

Now you can easily execute the command using the Run window:
o Win+R cclip

3. If desired, set the link icon to something easily distuinguished.
Use any hierarchy you like; I put mine in my system "Icon" directory:
C:\data\sys\icon\cclip.ico

For example, I created this icon in a minute using Irfanview:
https://i.postimg.cc/cCQsDxy3/cclip01.jpg

Note: You can obtain free icons from a billion locations on the net:
https://stock.adobe.com/search?filters[orientation]=square&k=clipboard
https://www.iconspedia.com/search/clipboard/
https://www.flaticon.com/free-icons/copy-clipboard
https://www.iconfinder.com/search/?q=clipboard
https://icons8.com/icon/set/no-clipboard/win10
https://iconarchive.com/tag/window-clipboard
etc.

4. If desired, pin that icon to the taskbar for quick access.

5. If desired, you can combine multiple commands as needed, e.g.,
TARGET = %comspec% /k [1st command] & [2nd command] & [3rd command]...

For example (based on "killall.bat" examples found in alt.msdos.batch):
SHORTCUT = killall.lnk
TARGET = %comspec% /c "echo off | clip" & veracrypt /dismount /force /q & taskkill /f /fi "USERNAME eq %COMPUTERNAME%\%USERNAME%" /IM *

See also:
o What syntax combines 2 commands into a single shortcut TARGET line?
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.msdos.batch/azQbz6D_v0Y

See also this (untested by me) ctask.bat found in alt.msdos.batch when
I searched for pre-existing solutions before writing this tutorial:
o http://tinyurl.com/alt-msdos-batch
=== cut below for ctask.bat ===
@echo off
REM alt.msdos.batch Todd Message-ID:

title Kill all running apps - Bharat Balegere - AgniPulse.com
cd c:\windows\System32
for /f "skip=3 tokens=1" %%i in ('TASKLIST /FI "USERNAME eq
%userdomain%\%username%" /FI "STATUS eq running"') do (
if not "%%i"=="svchost.exe" (
if not "%%i"=="explorer.exe" (
if not "%%i"=="cmd.exe" (
if not "%%i"=="tasklist.exe" (
if not "%%i"=="VBoxTray.exe" (
echo.
taskkill /f /im "%%i"
echo.
)
)
)
)
)
)
cd \ntutil
rem pause
=== cut above for ctask.bat ===

As always, please improve this nascent tutorial with purposefully helpful
suggestions so that everyone benefits from every action you take on Usenet.
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  #2  
Old September 2nd 20, 09:50 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.microsoft.windows
R.Wieser
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Default Tutorial for creating cclip & killall clearing the Windows clipboard & killing users' tasks in one fell swoop

Arlen,

You have a Subject line which doesn't match the first line of your tutorial.
Why now do I get the feeling that the "Killing users tasks" is something
that was added in a hurry ?

Also, its again not /tutoring/ - no clear reasons given for most steps.
Though you still leave it upto the person to make choices. And as there
are no clear reasons given, on what grounds should he make those ? This
also means that it won't work a "step plan".

[crossposted newsgroups]
The tutorial doesn't work for (MS)DOS, yet you crossposted it into there
too.

Your second paragraph (starting with "Given that, at least on mobile
devices") has nothing to do with Windows (or DOS). It has no place.

1. Create a shortcut named cclip.lnk (i.e., clean clipboard):


/How/ is the reader supposed to create a shortcut ? Or do you presume
he's just born with that knowledge ?

And if you think that he already knows that than what is the chance he also
knows how to select another icon and that he can pin it to the taskbar,
making your steps in that regard superfluous.

IOW, either you write as if he knows nothing, or you assume he already knows
everything. Mixing them is not a good idea (irritating to the guy who
already knows it, confusing the the person who doesn't)

Also, you mention that name as if it /must/ be that one, while both of us
know that any name will do (and its a bad name for something that kills
tasks too).

Use any hierarchy you like; I put mine in my system "Run" directory:


"Use any hierarchy you like" ? What is that supposed to mean ? Yeah, I
know what, in relation to filesystems, a hierarchy is. What makes you
think that a novice knows what you mean there ? What is he supposed to
/do/ ?

"I put mine in my system "Run" directory:" I think the Windows term is
"folder", not "directory". And what should someone do when he doesn't
have that folder ? You make no mention of that.

START IN: C:\Windows\system32


Irrelevant to the "clip" command (or anything in the below) and may be left
blank.

2. If desired, create a "cclip" command using the AppPaths key:


On which grounds should the novice make the "desired" choice ? You only
mention /a/ reason at the end. Actually, the /only/ reason you want/need
this to be done is because you prefer the "run" dialog way of starting
stuff...

3. If desired, set the link icon to something easily distuinguished.


Irrelevant if they use the, by you preferred, "run" dialog (they will never
see the icon anyway). If not that step 2. is irrelevant. No info about
that is provided either.

Worse: if they use the "run" dialog method there is no reason to create a
shortcut to begin with : a simple .BAT file (like the examples you included)
would be enough.

For example, I created this icon in a minute using Irfanview:


That does not belong there, as it only serves to confuse the novice "should
I first go do that" ? At best put it into a "remarks" section after the
tutorial itself has already concluded.

Than again, the whole step 2. belongs there ... Its inconsequential to the
functioning of the shortcut.

4. If desired, pin that icon to the taskbar for quick access.


So, /two/ ways to "quick access" it - with this one being quicker-and-easier
than Win-R ...

And by the way: You pin the /shortcut/, not the icon (doubt that you can do
the latter, but it will confuse the heck outof a novice trying to follow
your directions)

5. If desired, you can combine multiple commands as needed, e.g.,


Should also at best be in the "remarks" section, but preferrably in a
seperate "how to create a shortcut and do interresting stuff with it"
tutorial.

TARGET = %comspec% /c "echo off | clip" & veracrypt /dismount /force /q
& taskkill /f /fi "USERNAME eq %COMPUTERNAME%\%


Bad example, as only one the first of the three command parts has yet been
mentioned, and you spend zero in regard to an explanation to what the other
parts are for.

And yes, /I/ recognise that last part as being the "killing users' tasks"
that you mentioned in your subjectline. I wonder how many novices would be
able to do the same...

And that leaves the middle part, which is irrelevant to anything, and again
only serves to confuse the hapless novice who hasn't got any idea that it
may be removed.

tl;dr:

Your whole tutorial consists outof :

1) Create a shortcut

2) Set the "target:" to %comspec% /c "echo off | clip" & taskkill /f /fi
"USERNAME eq %COMPUTERNAME%\%USERNAME%" /IM *

Than there is a subsection describing ONE way (outof at least three that I
know of) to make the command work from withing the "run" dialog - where that
way is the only one that needs maintenace (the other two need none).

.... which can be fully skipped when the user rather clicks the shortcut (on
the taskbar or elsewhere)

The rest is fluff which has little-or-nothing to do with the subjectline.

And I have to ask : Why create a shortcut /at all/ when all *you* want to do
is to use the "run" dialog ? A simple batchfile would be way easier.

As always, please improve this nascent tutorial with purposefully
helpful suggestions so that everyone benefits from every action you
take on Usenet.


I think you have gotten enough "purposefully helpful suggestions" to be able
to improve upon it. :-) Go git.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


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Old September 2nd 20, 10:54 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.microsoft.windows,alt.msdos.batch,free.spam
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Default Tutorial for creating cclip & killall clearing the Windows clipboard & killing users' tasks in one fell swoop

Stop crossposting every time you post.

A.k.a. "Good Guy"...

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Tutorial on how to create a free cclip (clear clipboard) command on Windows
(As always, please improve so that everyone benefits from your input.)

Given that, at least on mobile devices, free software that should NOT be
reading your clipboard _is_ reading your clipboard, it behooves us to
consider automatic and/or manual deletion of the clipboard contents.
o Copy, paste catastrophe: how Apple's iOS 14 disrupted clipboard espionage
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/NehSRB4Ka-8

For clipboard contents manual deletion:
o Win+R cmd echo off | clip

For clipboard contents auto deletion freewa
o https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/clipttl.html

*Here's a method I just implemented & documented for others to benefit*.

1. Create a shortcut named cclip.lnk (i.e., clean clipboard):

Use any hierarchy you like; I put mine in my system "Run" directory:
C:\data\sys\run\cclip.lnk
TARGET = %comspec% /c "echo off | clip"
START IN: C:\Windows\system32

2. If desired, create a "cclip" command using the AppPaths key:
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Ap p Paths\
New Key === cclip.exe
Default === C:\data\sys\run\cclip.lnk

Note: The key name can be anything you want it to be
(as long as it ends with ".exe")
Note: There could be, but on my system, there is no file
actually named 'cclip.exe' (as it's just a keyword).

Now you can easily execute the command using the Run window:
o Win+R cclip

3. If desired, set the link icon to something easily distuinguished.
Use any hierarchy you like; I put mine in my system "Icon" directory:
C:\data\sys\icon\cclip.ico

For example, I created this icon in a minute using Irfanview:
https://i.postimg.cc/cCQsDxy3/cclip01.jpg

Note: You can obtain free icons from a billion locations on the net:
https://stock.adobe.com/search?filters[orientation]=square&k=clipboard
https://www.iconspedia.com/search/clipboard/
https://www.flaticon.com/free-icons/copy-clipboard
https://www.iconfinder.com/search/?q=clipboard
https://icons8.com/icon/set/no-clipboard/win10
https://iconarchive.com/tag/window-clipboard
etc.

4. If desired, pin that icon to the taskbar for quick access.

5. If desired, you can combine multiple commands as needed, e.g.,
TARGET = %comspec% /k [1st command] & [2nd command] & [3rd command]...

For example (based on "killall.bat" examples found in alt.msdos.batch):
SHORTCUT = killall.lnk
TARGET = %comspec% /c "echo off | clip" & veracrypt /dismount /force /q & taskkill /f /fi "USERNAME eq %COMPUTERNAME%\%USERNAME%" /IM *

See also:
o What syntax combines 2 commands into a single shortcut TARGET line?
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.msdos.batch/azQbz6D_v0Y

See also this (untested by me) ctask.bat found in alt.msdos.batch when
I searched for pre-existing solutions before writing this tutorial:
o http://tinyurl.com/alt-msdos-batch
=== cut below for ctask.bat ===
@echo off
REM alt.msdos.batch Todd Message-ID:

title Kill all running apps - Bharat Balegere - AgniPulse.com
cd c:\windows\System32
for /f "skip=3 tokens=1" %%i in ('TASKLIST /FI "USERNAME eq
%userdomain%\%username%" /FI "STATUS eq running"') do (
if not "%%i"=="svchost.exe" (
if not "%%i"=="explorer.exe" (
if not "%%i"=="cmd.exe" (
if not "%%i"=="tasklist.exe" (
if not "%%i"=="VBoxTray.exe" (
echo.
taskkill /f /im "%%i"
echo.
)
)
)
)
)
)
cd \ntutil
rem pause
=== cut above for ctask.bat ===

As always, please improve this nascent tutorial with purposefully helpful
suggestions so that everyone benefits from every action you take on Usenet.
--
Usenet is a web searchable archive of useful tutorials & solutions.



  #4  
Old September 2nd 20, 12:37 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
R.Wieser
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Default Tutorial for creating cclip & killall clearing the Windows clipboard & killing users' tasks in one fell swoop

John doe,

Stop crossposting every time you post.


And you thought the best way of action would be to *add another newsgroup*
to that list and *quote the full message, inclusive headers* into all those
newsgroups ? Really ?

And there is something strange about that newsgroup you added : When I fold
the message sub-trees than you seem to be the "starter" of all but one of
them (three months worth of messages). How come ?

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


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Old September 2nd 20, 03:05 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,free.spam
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Default Tutorial for creating cclip & killall clearing the Windows clipboard & killing users' tasks in one fell swoop

I do not crosspost every time I post original.
Adding an extinct special-purpose group doesn't bother anybody.
I use that group for archiving headers. It comes in handy especially when solving mysteries to do with nym-shifting posters.
Any other questions...

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John doe,

Stop crossposting every time you post.


And you thought the best way of action would be to *add another newsgroup*
to that list and *quote the full message, inclusive headers* into all those
newsgroups ? Really ?

And there is something strange about that newsgroup you added : When I fold
the message sub-trees than you seem to be the "starter" of all but one of
them (three months worth of messages). How come ?

Regards,
Rudy Wieser





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Old September 2nd 20, 05:13 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
R.Wieser
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Default Tutorial for creating cclip & killall clearing the Windows clipboard & killing users' tasks in one fell swoop

John doe,

I do not crosspost every time I post original.


Good for you. Now, explain to me (us) why crossposting (to just three
newsgroups) should bother you.

Adding an extinct special-purpose group doesn't bother anybody.


Lol. I just mentioned that I am, effectivily, bothered by whatever game
you are playing with that newsgroup and you than respond by telling me that
I, as a part of "anybody", am in fact /not/ bothered. Which is rather
offensive.

I use that group for archiving headers.


Really ? I thought that most, if not all newsgroup readers cache whole
messages (body and header) as a matter of doing their jobs. Better yet,
you can set your own newsreader to not, or much later, let such messages
expire, something you have no control over with that newsgroup.

Besides, you didn't add just the headers, but instead the whole fricking
message.

It comes in handy especially when solving mysteries to do with
nym-shifting posters.


Really ? Any self-respecting nym-shifter will change his name as well as
NNTP server at the same time - making it rather hard for you to make certain
that the "new" guy is the same as the old nym-shifter. Feel free to educate
me on that behalf though.

Any other questions...


No. But as you now know that what you do is bothering me I expect you to
stop with it this instant. And don't complain, as that is exactly what you
expect the OP to do, right ? :-)

Besides, as I already mentioned, you have the same info available in your
own newsgroup reader, so there is no reason to continue with it anyway.

Also, you have not bothered to explain why /you did exactly that which you
agitated against/, which is crossposting. Thats like a vegetarean wearing
leather shoes.

Any other questions...


Yeah, I forgot to ask : what was that 'A.k.a. "Good Guy"...' line about ?

Any questions from you ?

Regards,
Rudy Wieser



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Old September 2nd 20, 05:47 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,free.spam
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This babbling troll's concerns will be addressed by my complaint department,
soon...

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John doe,

I do not crosspost every time I post original.


Good for you. Now, explain to me (us) why crossposting (to just three
newsgroups) should bother you.

Adding an extinct special-purpose group doesn't bother anybody.


Lol. I just mentioned that I am, effectivily, bothered by whatever game
you are playing with that newsgroup and you than respond by telling me that
I, as a part of "anybody", am in fact /not/ bothered. Which is rather
offensive.

I use that group for archiving headers.


Really ? I thought that most, if not all newsgroup readers cache whole
messages (body and header) as a matter of doing their jobs. Better yet,
you can set your own newsreader to not, or much later, let such messages
expire, something you have no control over with that newsgroup.

Besides, you didn't add just the headers, but instead the whole fricking
message.

It comes in handy especially when solving mysteries to do with
nym-shifting posters.


Really ? Any self-respecting nym-shifter will change his name as well as
NNTP server at the same time - making it rather hard for you to make certain
that the "new" guy is the same as the old nym-shifter. Feel free to educate
me on that behalf though.

Any other questions...


No. But as you now know that what you do is bothering me I expect you to
stop with it this instant. And don't complain, as that is exactly what you
expect the OP to do, right ? :-)

Besides, as I already mentioned, you have the same info available in your
own newsgroup reader, so there is no reason to continue with it anyway.

Also, you have not bothered to explain why /you did exactly that which you
agitated against/, which is crossposting. Thats like a vegetarean wearing
leather shoes.

Any other questions...


Yeah, I forgot to ask : what was that 'A.k.a. "Good Guy"...' line about ?

Any questions from you ?

Regards,
Rudy Wieser






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Old September 2nd 20, 05:52 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
John Doe[_8_]
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"R.Wieser" wrote:

John doe,


Adding an extinct special-purpose group doesn't bother anybody.


Lol.


There's someone in your head, but it's not you.

I just mentioned that I am, effectivily, bothered...you th[e]n
respond by telling me that I, as a part of "anybody", am in fact
/not/ bothered. Which is rather offensive.


Yeah, but... Which bothers you more... Adding the extinct group, or
posting your header information?
  #9  
Old September 2nd 20, 06:09 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,free.spam
R.Wieser
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John doe,

This babbling troll's concerns will be addressed by my complaint
department, soon...


With a name and attitude like that and a "run away from uncomfortable
questions (and remarks)" behaviour together with that threat, what is the
chance you are exactly what are you accuse me of being - and a
nym-shifter/sockpuppet too ? Definitily a non-zero chance. In fact,
probably quite a bit above it.

Kiddo, go play in a literal sandbox or something.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


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Old September 2nd 20, 06:14 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,free.spam
John Doe[_8_]
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Okay, have a nice day...

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John doe,

This babbling troll's concerns will be addressed by my complaint
department, soon...


With a name and attitude like that and a "run away from uncomfortable
questions (and remarks)" behaviour together with that threat, what is the
chance you are exactly what are you accuse me of being - and a
nym-shifter/sockpuppet too ? Definitily a non-zero chance. In fact,
probably quite a bit above it.

Kiddo, go play in a literal sandbox or something.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser





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Old September 2nd 20, 06:19 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,free.spam
John Doe[_8_]
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Are you aware that every time you reply to me, Arlen Holder flips out
because I'm in his kill file and he isn't technically savvy enough to
ignore thread branches?

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Old September 2nd 20, 07:46 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
R.Wieser
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John,

Are you aware that every time you reply to me, Arlen Holder flips
out because I'm in his kill file


Don't count on that, I'm quite likely in there too. :-)

and he isn't technically savvy enough to ignore thread branches?


Not every newsgroup reader has that capability. For instance, I'm using OE6
and it didn't have it either.

But, you might be right there. He heavily depends on other people
spoon-feeding him what he wants/needs to know.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


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Old September 2nd 20, 08:38 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.microsoft.windows
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On Wed, 2 Sep 2020 10:50:37 +0200, R.Wieser wrote:

I think you have gotten enough "purposefully helpful suggestions" to be able
to improve upon it. :-) Go git.


Holy ****, Rudy Wieser.
o I'm shaking my head in serious amazement.

I have never before, not even once, thought you ever added any value.
o Nor, that you posted for any other reason than to toot your own horn.

But this time, for God's sake, you added value!
o And, this time, for heaven's sake, you actually comprehended the topic.

Dammit' Rudy. You actually _can_ add value!
o Hooray! I mean this.

To me, past posts are water under the bridge; everyone can be rehabilitated
o Well, everyone except Snit... but I digress.

Almost everything you wrote was apropos, and which I agree with.
o You even realized the hastily written tutorial had afterthoughts added.

For example, you are completely correct in surmising that I added the
killall _after_ I hastily wrote the initial tutorial, simply because I was
testing the tutorial out on a new system, which _needed_ the killall.

So I figured I'd add the multi-command shortcut, after the fact.
o But that's not all that you were correct in surmising.

For example, you're correct in intuiting I do everything from the Run
command, where, interestingly enough, I did since Windows 95 days.
o Win+R cclip

That clears the clipboard.
o It's easier than finding and then clicking on a shortcut.

Hence, you're correct that it doesn't matter _where_ the user puts the
shortcut; and you're correct that a novice might not know how to _create_ a
shortcut; and you're correct that the STARTIN is meaningless in most cases
with shortcuts; and you're correct that the Subject line, which was the
last thing added in that late-night post, doesn't fully match the main
point of the tutorial; and you're correct that I don't define, in this
tutorial (but I do define in others, but they're not mentioned) how to go
about choosing the logic for the file system hierarchy; and you are correct
that the AppPaths key can be any name, but my point was that whatever name
you give it must end with ".exe", which your point is that I wasn't clear
about that point; and you are correct that I use the terms "folder" and
"directory" interchangeably; and you are correct that you can omit the
shortcut altogether, since the AppPaths key works fine for commands; and
you are correct that creation of the icon isn't an important part of the
tutorial (I have posted _plenty_ of icon-creation & modification
tutorials); and you are correct that pinning the shortcut (not the icon) to
the taskbar is the correct terminology as is pointing out that it's also
quickly accessed that way; and you are correct that the example I gave of a
multi-command shortcut is a "bad example" (but... but... you missed one
thing, and one thing only, AFAICT)...

The one thing you missed, interestingly, is that the multiple line command
fails to work for some syntactical reason, unknown to be at the moment:
o What syntax combines 2 commands into a single shortcut TARGET line?
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.msdos.batch/azQbz6D_v0Y

Specifically this, as yet unanswered query on the killall syntax:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.msdos.batch/azQbz6D_v0Y/qeTHydqyAQAJ

==cut below for the question about multi-line shortcut target syntax==
QUESTION about TARGET multi-line-command syntax

1. This works from the Windows command line to kill all the users' tasks:
Win+R cmd {ctrl+shft+enter}
taskkill /f /fi "USERNAME eq %COMPUTERNAME%\%USERNAME%" /IM *

2. That also seems to work just fine from a shortcut TARGET line:
TARGET = taskkill /f /fi "USERNAME eq %COMPUTERNAME%\%USERNAME%" /IM *

3. It also seems to work in a comspec cmd (needed for multiple commands):
TARGET = %comspec% /c taskkill /f /fi "USERNAME eq %COMPUTERNAME%\%USERNAME%" /IM *

4. But it doesn't seem to work in multi-command shortcut comspec syntax:
TARGET = %comspec% /c "echo off | clip" & veracrypt /dismount /force /q & taskkill /f /fi "USERNAME eq %COMPUTERNAME%\%USERNAME%" /IM *

Q: What syntax change is needed for that multi-line comspec cmd to work?

See also:
o Tutorial for creating cclip & killall clearing the Windows clipboard & killing users' tasks in one fell swoop
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.msdos.batch/DqBXiTJ6FA0
--
Sometimes you need just a little bit of syntactical help to get it working.
==cut above for the question about multi-line shortcut target syntax==

Rudy,
Do you, or anyone else, know what's syntactically wrong in the query above?
--
Usenet is a wonderfully public discussion of varying people's views.
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Old September 3rd 20, 09:28 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.microsoft.windows
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Arlen,

Holy ****, Rudy Wieser.
o I'm shaking my head in serious amazement.

....
Dammit' Rudy. You actually _can_ add value!
o Hooray! I mean this.


Cut it kid. We both know that you acting all surprised is fake (I've posted
pretty-much the same before, IIRC even about the same subject), and the only
reason you're currently sucking up to me is because you want me to do
something for you.

The one thing you missed, interestingly, is that the multiple line
command fails to work for some syntactical reason, unknown
to be at the moment:


Thats really you, isn't it ? You've build a tutorial in which the single
most important item *does not actually work* (read: you either didn't use it
yourself or forgot(?) to test it before writing the "tutorial"), and than
trying to blame someone else for not double-checking it.

Than again, you already did the same with your "change an executables icon"
tutorial ...

And no, thats not "interrestingly". You've made that part very specific to
your own situation (veracrypt - which I do not have) which ofcourse means I
/couldn't/ test it. And yes, I did think of doing it.

Q: What syntax change is needed for that multi-line comspec cmd to work?

....
Do you, or anyone else, know what's syntactically wrong in the query
above?


And there we are, the reason of your sucking-up.


4. But it doesn't seem to work in multi-command shortcut comspec syntax:


Kiddo, after having written 10.137 tutorials (or thereabout) and you *still*
do not seem to realize that "it doesn't seem to work" is an empty, wortless
statement ? Really ?

But, here goes the spoon-feeding again.:

#1: what is it supposed to do ?

#2: what does it do instead ?

Although I can make a fair /guess/ to what that "veracrypt" is supposed to
be doing, I would still be guessing - and that with the person who actually
uses it and knows for sure is talking to me.

Also, I've met a fair number of people who simply expected something quite
different than what could possibly be happening as a result of what they
where doing. Like those numbsculls who expect a "pull here" door to open
when they push against it, and get all confused when the door stays shut.

Thats two reasons why you should always include #1

As for #2 ? You did not include that *at all*, robbing us of the
possibility to zero-in on the problem. You know, like how a car mechanic
can just listen to the sounds a (stationary running) car makes and from it
determine whats likely to be wrong with it.

Thats the reason you should *ALWAYS* include /how/ something doesn't work.


But, lets go on with the show - bughunting :

1. This works from the Windows command line to kill all the users' tasks:


In points 1. thru 3. you have made sure that the "taskkill" command works
when used on its own. Good. Thats at least something.

In point 4. you have determined that it /doesn't/ seem to work in
combination with *two, at the same time present* sub-commands.

Congrats. You jumped from "lets check /one/ command" to "lets check three
of them together!".

Where is your checking with just the first and the last, and the second and
last ? Do you spot any differences ? And how did you determine those
differences ?

Also, what happens when you precede that "taskkill" command with something
else (to make sure its actually the syntax that is to blame) ? What can
you conclude from that ?

And there is something else : If its a syntax problem than normally you get
an error message about it somewhere. I have not seen you mention getting
any... What does that tell you ?

In short, there is a /lot/ you could have done yourself.

Q: What syntax change is needed for that multi-line comspec cmd to work?

....
Do you, or anyone else, know what's syntactically wrong in the query
above?


There is nothing wrong with that syntax. Its *your expectation* that is
to blame here.

Yes, I think I've got a pretty-good idea to what "goes wrong" (it doesn't,
it does /exactly/ what you told it to do) and how to "fix" it. (though I
have to be carefull there, as I do not run W10).

And no, I'm not going to present it to you on a silver platter. You lost
that privilege long ago. Lets first see you put some effort into
clarifying that "does not work" blurb (what is it supposed to do and what
does it do instead) as well as a bit more tests and conclusions thereof.

.... Or you can wait for someone else to tell you. :-p

Strike that "tell". Replace with "fix it for". I do not think you actually
care about how something works, as long as it does. :-(

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

P.s.
Did you know that most of the current OSes multi-task ?



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Old September 10th 20, 12:32 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.comp.microsoft.windows
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Arlen,

Quote:
Originally Posted by me
And no, I'm not going to present it to you on a silver platter. You lost
that privilege long ago. Lets first see you put some effort into
clarifying that "does not work" blurb (what is it supposed to do and what
does it do instead) as well as a bit more tests and conclusions thereof.
That was a week ago. Either you have not seen that offer, cannot clarify
your problem or have decided that such a task is too mundain for you to be
bothered with it. Either way, you're out of an answer (here as well as in
the "What syntax combines 2 commands ..." thread), meaning that you can't
use that combined command for yourself nor can you finish your current
tutorial.

Oh well, it must not have been too important to you ...

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


 




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