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Old September 12th 20, 01:49 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Mayayana
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"Bill" wrote

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| I haven't been protesting that Win10 is the only choice; in fact, I have
| Linux on my machine too. Part of the reason for my post was to help
| open the eyes of people to see what is going on in front of our eyes!
| The Internet is "ours", but there are several companies that are trying
| to divide up control of it like an (Apple) pie. : ) As you point out,
| most people are quite willing to just let it happen, slowly, ...
| The OS installing software that I can't even stop with the task manager,
| is just one iota of that process, but I believe that it's part of the
| process nonetheless. MS wants me to use OneDrive...How often do I need
| to say NO??? I paid them for the OS, so IMO, they shouldn't irritate
| me. I'm watching the case against the Apple store with
| interest--thought these may be a distantly related issues.

I'm with you on all of that. But people are using it.
You said you switched from Win7, and you apparently
haven't switched back. That's what I'm talking about.
You're leaving the choice in Microsoft's hands, hoping
they'll "do the right thing". They won't. Linux people
often hold that up as a solution, but it's not a solution.
And in 20-odd years of commercial Linux OSs, the people
in charge are no closer to making a usable product. Most
of them don't want a product that the masses can
understand. They want to diddle their console windows.
So where's Linux today? In locked down, spyware, service
kiosks like Android.

I worry more
after having read that Kamala Harris is cozy with Silicon
Valley. Who will take a stand? Who even understands?
Wyden and Markey are the only senators I'm aware of
who even seem to grasp how this all works.

OneDrive and similar are another good example, as you
point out. I live
with a woman who supervises early childhood teacher
candidates in their classroom placements. It used to be
none of them understood anything but a docx. Now they
only understand Google Docs. They're being taught at
school, probably forced to buy software. And these are
college students. The "intelligentsia".

It's like an
infection. If they send you a Google Docs link then you
have a choice to either cooperate with GD or tell the
sender that they must send you a real file in a readable
format -- a directive they probably won't understand.

And now it's also happening with movies. A half dozen
streaming companies have exclusives on specific movies
and now you have to let them spy on you to see the movies,
as well as paying separate fees to each. Ironically, I just
read that a new documentary looking into the problems
of social media is available only on Netflix.

https://www.wired.com/story/social-d...x-documentary/

I'm guessing the people who made the movie don't even
notice the irony.


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Old September 12th 20, 07:16 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Neil
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On 9/12/2020 12:00 AM, Bill wrote:

I haven't been protesting that Win10 is the only choice; in fact, I have
Linux on my machine too.* Part of the reason for my post was to help
open the eyes of people to see what is going on in front of our eyes!
The Internet is "ours", but there are several companies that are trying
to divide up control of it like an (Apple) pie. : )* As you point out,
most people are quite willing to just let it happen, slowly, ...
The OS installing software that I can't even stop with the task manager,
is just one iota of that process, but I believe that it's part of the
process nonetheless. MS wants me to use OneDrive...How often do I need
to say NO???* I paid them for the OS, so IMO, they shouldn't irritate
me.* I'm watching the case against the Apple store with
interest--thought these may be a distantly related issues.

As one who has been on-line since pre-usenet days it is clear to me that
a service that required anything other than a land line to connect to
others was never "ours" in any sense. Even usenet requires servers that
are owned by others and "rented" to users. Today, when most people even
use browsers to get their email the internet is even less "ours" than ever.

As for apps like Edge or services like OneDrive, those that have
sufficient knowledge of Win10 don't have to even see them if they don't
want them. Edge only shows on my computer in the Start list, and I never
get the messages you write about in your original post. And those who
haven't progressed beyond Win7 won't have a clue as to how to set that up.

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best regards,

Neil
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Old September 12th 20, 08:56 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Mayayana
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"Neil" wrote

| Today, when most people even
| use browsers to get their email the internet is even less "ours" than
ever.
|
Speak for yourself. I have email with my domain and
I have it from my ISP. Neither is webmail. As for the
Internet, it's like a public road. Your taxes help pay for it.
As do people who have websites. I've never understood
this logic that says you don't have a right to privacy or
to use the things you buy as you like. But if you feel
that way then I can see why you use Win10. Every time
it ****s over your settings you have a new opportunity
to feel you were right.


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Old September 12th 20, 09:45 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Neil
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On 9/12/2020 3:56 PM, Mayayana wrote:
"Neil" wrote

| Today, when most people even
| use browsers to get their email the internet is even less "ours" than
ever.
|
Speak for yourself. I have email with my domain and
I have it from my ISP. Neither is webmail.

Why do you think that's different from some others of us (including me)?
But if you think that describes the typical user then you have less of a
clue than I thought you did.

As for the
Internet, it's like a public road. Your taxes help pay for it.

Like many public highways, you can't get on it without going through the
toll-gate of ISP providers. Unless you've written your own browser or
email app you also ride on that road in a rented vehicle.

But if you feel
that way then I can see why you use Win10. Every time
it ****s over your settings you have a new opportunity
to feel you were right.

Well, those know nothing about Win10 think all kinds of things happen
that don't happen to those that do understand the OS. It has changed my
settings less than any other version of Windows did. Usually for the
same reasons as the others, too.

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best regards,

Neil
 




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