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Old October 24th 11, 05:30 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware
Jo-Anne[_4_]
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Default update Nvidia Forcewear?

Using Windows XP. I run Filehippo to let me know about updates. It's been
telling me for a while that I should download NVIDIA Forceware 280.26 WHQL
XP to replace version 111.9. I checked my computer with Belarc Advisor and
found the following NVIDIA items:

NVIDIA Quadro FX 360M [Display adapter]
NVIDIA Driver Helper Service, Version 101.19 Version 6.14.11.0119

I have no idea whether I should install this update. I'd be very grateful if
someone could let me know if updating NVIDIA Forceware is important and if
the update could cause any problems.

Thank you very much!

Jo-Anne


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Old October 24th 11, 06:08 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware
Patok[_2_]
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Default update Nvidia Forcewear?

Jo-Anne wrote:
Using Windows XP. I run Filehippo to let me know about updates. It's been
telling me for a while that I should download NVIDIA Forceware 280.26 WHQL
XP to replace version 111.9. I checked my computer with Belarc Advisor and
found the following NVIDIA items:

NVIDIA Quadro FX 360M [Display adapter]
NVIDIA Driver Helper Service, Version 101.19 Version 6.14.11.0119

I have no idea whether I should install this update. I'd be very grateful if
someone could let me know if updating NVIDIA Forceware is important and if
the update could cause any problems.

Thank you very much!


NVIDIA is your display adapter. It makes sense to update the display
drivers *only* if you are not happy with what you have (video is not
smooth or is jerky, programs (especially games) complain about missing
features, the screen freezes.
If everything is running smoothly, there really is no need to update
the driver. It is even likely that with the new driver video may run
slower than before. That's because manufacturers optimize their drivers
for the newer hardware; if the card is an older one, the new drivers may
be optimized for newer hardware, and be sub-optimal for the older one.
In such cases, getting newer and newer drivers will make the video
perform worse and worse after each subsequent update. So, especially if
you're not a gamer, updating the video drivers is not necessary.
(The reason, if you're wondering, is that Nvidia drivers are
universal - the same driver works for *all* cards. If it is optimized
for the newer ones, it necessarily neglects the older ones. There is an
optimal driver # for every video card model, but figuring which one that
is and downloading that particular one, is more hassle than it's worth,
IMHO.)

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  #3  
Old October 24th 11, 06:24 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware
Jo-Anne[_4_]
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Default update Nvidia Forcewear?

"Patok" wrote in message
...
Jo-Anne wrote:
Using Windows XP. I run Filehippo to let me know about updates. It's been
telling me for a while that I should download NVIDIA Forceware 280.26
WHQL XP to replace version 111.9. I checked my computer with Belarc
Advisor and found the following NVIDIA items:

NVIDIA Quadro FX 360M [Display adapter]
NVIDIA Driver Helper Service, Version 101.19 Version 6.14.11.0119

I have no idea whether I should install this update. I'd be very grateful
if someone could let me know if updating NVIDIA Forceware is important
and if the update could cause any problems.

Thank you very much!


NVIDIA is your display adapter. It makes sense to update the display
drivers *only* if you are not happy with what you have (video is not
smooth or is jerky, programs (especially games) complain about missing
features, the screen freezes.
If everything is running smoothly, there really is no need to update the
driver. It is even likely that with the new driver video may run slower
than before. That's because manufacturers optimize their drivers for the
newer hardware; if the card is an older one, the new drivers may be
optimized for newer hardware, and be sub-optimal for the older one. In
such cases, getting newer and newer drivers will make the video perform
worse and worse after each subsequent update. So, especially if you're not
a gamer, updating the video drivers is not necessary.
(The reason, if you're wondering, is that Nvidia drivers are universal -
the same driver works for *all* cards. If it is optimized for the newer
ones, it necessarily neglects the older ones. There is an optimal driver #
for every video card model, but figuring which one that is and downloading
that particular one, is more hassle than it's worth, IMHO.)

--
You'd be crazy to e-mail me with the crazy. But leave the div alone.
*
Whoever bans a book, shall be banished. Whoever burns a book, shall burn.



Thank you very much, Patok! Would the NVIDIA display driver have any effect
on watching DVD movies on my computer? I've had a lot of trouble with
freezing on many of the DVDs I've tried to watch. Some of them are season
compilations of TV programs, and usually the first show works OK and the
rest freeze and then continue many times within each show.

Jo-Anne


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Old October 24th 11, 08:02 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware
Patok[_2_]
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Default update Nvidia Forcewear?

Jo-Anne wrote:
"Patok" wrote in message
...
Jo-Anne wrote:
Using Windows XP. I run Filehippo to let me know about updates. It's been
telling me for a while that I should download NVIDIA Forceware 280.26
WHQL XP to replace version 111.9. I checked my computer with Belarc
Advisor and found the following NVIDIA items:

NVIDIA Quadro FX 360M [Display adapter]
NVIDIA Driver Helper Service, Version 101.19 Version 6.14.11.0119

I have no idea whether I should install this update. I'd be very grateful
if someone could let me know if updating NVIDIA Forceware is important
and if the update could cause any problems.

NVIDIA is your display adapter. It makes sense to update the display
drivers *only* if you are not happy with what you have (video is not
smooth or is jerky, programs (especially games) complain about missing
features, the screen freezes.
If everything is running smoothly, there really is no need to update the
driver. It is even likely that with the new driver video may run slower
than before. That's because manufacturers optimize their drivers for the
newer hardware; if the card is an older one, the new drivers may be
optimized for newer hardware, and be sub-optimal for the older one. In
such cases, getting newer and newer drivers will make the video perform
worse and worse after each subsequent update. So, especially if you're not
a gamer, updating the video drivers is not necessary.
(The reason, if you're wondering, is that Nvidia drivers are universal -
the same driver works for *all* cards. If it is optimized for the newer
ones, it necessarily neglects the older ones. There is an optimal driver #
for every video card model, but figuring which one that is and downloading
that particular one, is more hassle than it's worth, IMHO.)



Thank you very much, Patok! Would the NVIDIA display driver have any effect
on watching DVD movies on my computer? I've had a lot of trouble with
freezing on many of the DVDs I've tried to watch. Some of them are season
compilations of TV programs, and usually the first show works OK and the
rest freeze and then continue many times within each show.


The driver *could* have an effect like that, yes. However, the DVD
format is very easy, non-demanding on the video hardware, and I think it
is unlikely (not impossible, of course) that what you see is because of
the display driver. It is more likely that it is because of the DVD
drive having problems reading the disk. It reads fine at first, until it
warms up, and then starts getting read errors. One of the DVD drives on
one of my computers is like that. You can check if this is the case, by
copying the contents of the DVD to a temporary folder on the hard drive,
and then playing it from there instead of from the DVD. If it has
similar problems again, it could be a display driver problem.
Do you see artifacts when playing non-dvd videos? Like on YouTube,
Hulu, Veetle? Or high-def AVI files?

--
You'd be crazy to e-mail me with the crazy. But leave the div alone.
*
Whoever bans a book, shall be banished. Whoever burns a book, shall burn.
  #5  
Old October 24th 11, 08:53 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware
Paul
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Default update Nvidia Forcewear?

Patok wrote:
Jo-Anne wrote:
"Patok" wrote in message
...
Jo-Anne wrote:
Using Windows XP. I run Filehippo to let me know about updates. It's
been telling me for a while that I should download NVIDIA Forceware
280.26 WHQL XP to replace version 111.9. I checked my computer with
Belarc Advisor and found the following NVIDIA items:

NVIDIA Quadro FX 360M [Display adapter]
NVIDIA Driver Helper Service, Version 101.19 Version 6.14.11.0119

I have no idea whether I should install this update. I'd be very
grateful if someone could let me know if updating NVIDIA Forceware
is important and if the update could cause any problems.

NVIDIA is your display adapter. It makes sense to update the
display drivers *only* if you are not happy with what you have (video
is not smooth or is jerky, programs (especially games) complain about
missing features, the screen freezes.
If everything is running smoothly, there really is no need to
update the driver. It is even likely that with the new driver video
may run slower than before. That's because manufacturers optimize
their drivers for the newer hardware; if the card is an older one,
the new drivers may be optimized for newer hardware, and be
sub-optimal for the older one. In such cases, getting newer and newer
drivers will make the video perform worse and worse after each
subsequent update. So, especially if you're not a gamer, updating the
video drivers is not necessary.
(The reason, if you're wondering, is that Nvidia drivers are
universal - the same driver works for *all* cards. If it is optimized
for the newer ones, it necessarily neglects the older ones. There is
an optimal driver # for every video card model, but figuring which
one that is and downloading that particular one, is more hassle than
it's worth, IMHO.)



Thank you very much, Patok! Would the NVIDIA display driver have any
effect on watching DVD movies on my computer? I've had a lot of
trouble with freezing on many of the DVDs I've tried to watch. Some of
them are season compilations of TV programs, and usually the first
show works OK and the rest freeze and then continue many times within
each show.


The driver *could* have an effect like that, yes. However, the DVD
format is very easy, non-demanding on the video hardware, and I think it
is unlikely (not impossible, of course) that what you see is because of
the display driver. It is more likely that it is because of the DVD
drive having problems reading the disk. It reads fine at first, until it
warms up, and then starts getting read errors. One of the DVD drives on
one of my computers is like that. You can check if this is the case, by
copying the contents of the DVD to a temporary folder on the hard drive,
and then playing it from there instead of from the DVD. If it has
similar problems again, it could be a display driver problem.
Do you see artifacts when playing non-dvd videos? Like on YouTube,
Hulu, Veetle? Or high-def AVI files?


I'm no expert on DRM, but perhaps the files could be copied off
the DVD and placed on a hard drive. And then the playback tool
can play them from the hard drive ?

If you have trouble copying the files off the DVD, then that could
be your evidence the drive has issues. Of course, a DRM method used,
could also cause that kind of symptom. At least one scheme, had "bad"
info in the ISO directory structure, to screw up computers, such that
only $50 dedicated players could play the content. (In other words,
the discs were prepared, on purpose, not to work well inside a computer.)

In some cases, if you Google the title of the disc, there will be
a rundown of the method used to protect the content. And at least then,
you'd have some idea whether you're dealing with the same problem
many other customers have dealt with.

If I was to copy a DVD, I'd probably try it with a burner program
that knows how to make an ISO9660 from the disc.

When I tried to do that with my WinXP installer CD (original one),
I actually got two different checksums from the attempt to make
a block by block copy. My optical drives seem to work, so I don't
know what to make of that, whether it was a copy protection scheme,
or just one of those "media issues". The disc itself looks to be in
fine shape from the outside. Based on computing the MD5SUM of the
images, and Googling that value, it turned out that one of my copies
was a good copy. So if I need to make a new installer CD some day,
I'm ready.

Some of the commercial tools that exist for copying media like that,
understand the protection methods and defeat it. The companies must
be located in exotic locations (places without extradition treaties),
so the software writers won't be arrested :-)

Paul
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Old October 29th 11, 01:23 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware
Jo-Anne[_4_]
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Default update Nvidia Forcewear?

Thank you very much, Patok! Would the NVIDIA display driver have any
effect on watching DVD movies on my computer? I've had a lot of trouble
with freezing on many of the DVDs I've tried to watch. Some of them are
season compilations of TV programs, and usually the first show works OK
and the rest freeze and then continue many times within each show.


The driver *could* have an effect like that, yes. However, the DVD
format is very easy, non-demanding on the video hardware, and I think it
is unlikely (not impossible, of course) that what you see is because of
the display driver. It is more likely that it is because of the DVD drive
having problems reading the disk. It reads fine at first, until it warms
up, and then starts getting read errors. One of the DVD drives on one of
my computers is like that. You can check if this is the case, by copying
the contents of the DVD to a temporary folder on the hard drive, and then
playing it from there instead of from the DVD. If it has similar problems
again, it could be a display driver problem.
Do you see artifacts when playing non-dvd videos? Like on YouTube, Hulu,
Veetle? Or high-def AVI files?


Thank you, Patok! I think you've pinpointed the problem. I have no trouble
playing online videos. As you suggested, it looks like when the drive heats
up, the freezes begin. Last night I played only one segment of a problematic
DVD. When I had played it before, it was the third segment (each segment is
a single TV program) and I had played the first two already; it froze
several times. This time, I played only the third segment, and there were no
freezes.

So it looks like maybe I need a new CD/DVD drive... The one I've been using
is in my three-year-old Dell laptop. It seems to work OK for burning CDs and
DVDs, and I've been able to install programs from CDs and DVDs in it--but
it's not doing well at playing videos. I have no TV, and I hate to buy a
dedicated DVD player; but maybe that's the route to go.

Thank you again.

Jo-Anne


  #7  
Old October 29th 11, 01:27 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware
Jo-Anne[_4_]
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Posts: 1,101
Default update Nvidia Forcewear?

The driver *could* have an effect like that, yes. However, the DVD
format is very easy, non-demanding on the video hardware, and I think it
is unlikely (not impossible, of course) that what you see is because of
the display driver. It is more likely that it is because of the DVD drive
having problems reading the disk. It reads fine at first, until it warms
up, and then starts getting read errors. One of the DVD drives on one of
my computers is like that. You can check if this is the case, by copying
the contents of the DVD to a temporary folder on the hard drive, and then
playing it from there instead of from the DVD. If it has similar problems
again, it could be a display driver problem.
Do you see artifacts when playing non-dvd videos? Like on YouTube,
Hulu, Veetle? Or high-def AVI files?


I'm no expert on DRM, but perhaps the files could be copied off
the DVD and placed on a hard drive. And then the playback tool
can play them from the hard drive ?

If you have trouble copying the files off the DVD, then that could
be your evidence the drive has issues. Of course, a DRM method used,
could also cause that kind of symptom. At least one scheme, had "bad"
info in the ISO directory structure, to screw up computers, such that
only $50 dedicated players could play the content. (In other words,
the discs were prepared, on purpose, not to work well inside a computer.)

In some cases, if you Google the title of the disc, there will be
a rundown of the method used to protect the content. And at least then,
you'd have some idea whether you're dealing with the same problem
many other customers have dealt with.

If I was to copy a DVD, I'd probably try it with a burner program
that knows how to make an ISO9660 from the disc.

When I tried to do that with my WinXP installer CD (original one),
I actually got two different checksums from the attempt to make
a block by block copy. My optical drives seem to work, so I don't
know what to make of that, whether it was a copy protection scheme,
or just one of those "media issues". The disc itself looks to be in
fine shape from the outside. Based on computing the MD5SUM of the
images, and Googling that value, it turned out that one of my copies
was a good copy. So if I need to make a new installer CD some day,
I'm ready.

Some of the commercial tools that exist for copying media like that,
understand the protection methods and defeat it. The companies must
be located in exotic locations (places without extradition treaties),
so the software writers won't be arrested :-)

Paul


Thank you, Paul! I don't know if I'll be able to copy these DVDs to my hard
drive--or even if it's worth it, since there are several that freeze. As I
just mentioned to Patok, I did try playing a problematic segment (one that
had had several freezes before) as the first one after the player had not
been used for a while. No freezes. That seems to suggest a drive problem.

Jo-Anne


 




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