Preventive Maintenance

I have upgraded from Windows7 to Windows10 using W.U.
Now I have a question regarding maintenance. If something goes wrong and
I get a B.S.O.D for example, how do i restore to a previous date since
i don't have any windows10 DVD ?

Will the windows 7 DVd be sufficient ?

On 07/11/2015 10:39, Sydney wrote:
I have upgraded from Windows7 to Windows10 using W.U.
Now I have a question regarding maintenance. If something goes wrong and
I get a B.S.O.D for example, how do i restore to a previous date since i
don't have any windows10 DVD ?

Will the windows 7 DVd be sufficient ?

Hello Sydney

In all probability, you will be able to use your Windows 7 DVD to
reinstall Windows 7 on your computer. All data on it, though, will be
lost! :-(

May I refer you to this article? Please read and absorb what is said.

https://askleo.com/do-you-back-up/

I hope this is of help to you. :-)

In message , Sydney
writes:
I have upgraded from Windows7 to Windows10 using W.U.
Now I have a question regarding maintenance. If something goes wrong
and I get a B.S.O.D for example, how do i restore to a previous date
since i don't have any windows10 DVD ?

Will the windows 7 DVd be sufficient ?

As ~BD~ says, in all probability yes - but you'd be far better imaging
your system (the usual suspects are Macrium and Acronis, I think;
obviously read up and make sure you get a recent version that is
compatible with W10 [I don't know if there is anything weird about W10,
but there might be, that older versions of the imagers don't work
with]).

The reason I say this is: yes (probably), you could reload 7, then
"upgrade" to 10 - and then (or for some things, before the "upgrade")
reinstall _all_ your software, then reconfigure all of it - and the OS -
so it runs how you like it. Unless you use very little software and
leave most things at their defaults, just think about how long that
would take you!

Imaging, by contrast, restores everything _to how it is when you made
the image_ - all software is installed, and set up how you like it.

Personally, also, I try to keep a separate partition (or drive on
machines where that can be done - not most laptops let alone netbooks),
for the OS and the software, with all data on a different one. This
makes the part that has to be _imaged_ smaller, thus making the process
quicker, so you're more likely to actually _do_ it more often. (The
image should be of the OS-and-software partition, _as well as_ any
"secret" hidden partitions, boot areas, etcetera - basically so you can
restore it to a blank disc if necessary.) Of course, your data should be
backed up too, but that doesn't have to involve imaging - at its
simplest it just involves copying, though something that synchronises
the copies (so only what's changed is copied, roughly) speeds that up a
lot. I will say there are some who _don't_ endorse separating software
(including the OS) from data, and that's OK too.

The thought of restoring this machine from scratch to where it is now -
many _years_ of installations and tweaks - gives me the heebie jeebies.
Restoring it from an _image_, in contrast, would I think take less than
an hour (quite a lot less in the case of just the software part). [I've
learnt this the hard way - my HD stopped _suddenly_ about a year ago.
Fortunately, I was eventually able to get it going (the heads had stuck
to the platter so it stopped going round; I opened it up in a
clean-cupboard and it then spun again, and I was able to rescue enough
of the system {to a new disc, via imaging software!} that I _didn't_
have to do a restore-from-scratch); I now image (the OS etc.) and copy
(the data) not infrequently. (Actually planning to do one today - it's
been too long since I did.) To an external disc. FWIW, I use Macrium.]
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

_IMPORTANT INSTRUCTIONS_ BEFORE ALL TECHNICAL INTERVENTION ON THE [CASE CUT THE
ELECTRICAL FEEDING REGULAR MAINTENANCE PROVIDES THE GOOD WORKING OF A CASE (SEE
INSTRUCTIONS BOOK) [seen on bacon cabinet in Tesco (a large grocery chain)]

Sydney wrote:
I have upgraded from Windows7 to Windows10 using W.U.
Now I have a question regarding maintenance. If something goes wrong and
I get a B.S.O.D for example, how do i restore to a previous date since i
don't have any windows10 DVD ?

Will the windows 7 DVd be sufficient ?

Media is available. You want this one.

Release 10240 can be obtained here. Change the
country code (en-us part), if you want one in your native
language.

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/softw...d/windows10ISO

The Windows Insider program also has a DVD. So
someone on the Insider program can keep one of
these for re-installation.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...iderpreviewiso

Paul

Sydney wrote:
I have upgraded from Windows7 to Windows10 using W.U.
Now I have a question regarding maintenance. If something goes wrong and
I get a B.S.O.D for example, how do i restore to a previous date since i
don't have any windows10 DVD ?

Will the windows 7 DVd be sufficient ?

Multiple options (the most common are)
- System Restore
- Restore using a prior created image (e.g. Acronis, Ghost, Macrium)
- Reinstall Win10 using media created from from the Win10 Media Creation
Tool

- the last option will provide a Win10 DVD, orWin10 USB Boot Drive,
or Win10 iso file


--
....winston
msft mvp consumer apps

Le 07/11/2015 14:55, Ken1943 a écrit :
On Sat, 7 Nov 2015 11:39:21 +0100, Sydney wrote:

I have upgraded from Windows7 to Windows10 using W.U.
Now I have a question regarding maintenance. If something goes wrong and
I get a B.S.O.D for example, how do i restore to a previous date since
i don't have any windows10 DVD ?

Will the windows 7 DVd be sufficient ?

Get a dvd download for your version of Windows 10. You can do a
repair reinstall with it. That will keep all your programs and
settings. I had to do it once already.


Ken1943

I chose to make an system image with Macrium Reflect. so i downloaded
the reflect program and ran it.
Ift failed with the code0x800ffff
Error Selected Writer RegistryWriter is in failed state
VSS ERROr
this error is documented in the Web but I am not sure how to import the
registryWriter key
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Macrium\Reflect\Exclud edWriters]

"RegistryWriter"="{afbab4a2-367d-4d15-a586-71dbb18f8485}"

I still need help please

Sydney wrote:
Le 07/11/2015 14:55, Ken1943 a écrit :
On Sat, 7 Nov 2015 11:39:21 +0100, Sydney wrote:

I have upgraded from Windows7 to Windows10 using W.U.
Now I have a question regarding maintenance. If something goes wrong and
I get a B.S.O.D for example, how do i restore to a previous date since
i don't have any windows10 DVD ?

Will the windows 7 DVd be sufficient ?

Get a dvd download for your version of Windows 10. You can do a
repair reinstall with it. That will keep all your programs and
settings. I had to do it once already.


Ken1943

I chose to make an system image with Macrium Reflect. so i downloaded
the reflect program and ran it.
Ift failed with the code0x800ffff
Error Selected Writer RegistryWriter is in failed state
VSS ERROr
this error is documented in the Web but I am not sure how to import the
registryWriter key
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Macrium\Reflect\Exclud edWriters]

"RegistryWriter"="{afbab4a2-367d-4d15-a586-71dbb18f8485}"

I still need help please

Piece of cake.

Burn the Macrium Rescue CD (the WINPE5 version). Boot
the computer with it. There is no need for VSS if you
do backups with the Macrium Rescue CD as the "OS" when
it runs. When the CD is running, you can back up the
regular OS partition, to an external hard drive or other
storage device.

I don't know if a troubleshooter is available for VSS or not.
Check the Win10 control panel, look for Troubleshoot,
then type "VSS" in the search box in the upper right,
and see if any repair is available. (I can't check
my Win10 machine right now, as it is "busy" doing
a backup and is running another OS at the moment :-) )

http://knowledgebase.macrium.com/dis...oft+VSS+errors

"We also provide a program which will recreate the
correct registry setting and re-register all VSS components.
Please download one of the below programs to fix your problem:

VSSfix 32bit - download
VSSfix 64bit - download
"

HTH,
Paul

In message , Paul
writes:
Sydney wrote:
[]
I chose to make an system image with Macrium Reflect. so i downloaded
the reflect program and ran it.
Ift failed with the code0x800ffff
Error Selected Writer RegistryWriter is in failed state
VSS ERROr
[]
Piece of cake.

Burn the Macrium Rescue CD (the WINPE5 version). Boot

I was going to say that, but refrained, because - AIRI - to get to a
point where you _can_ burn the rescue CD, you have to run something
you've downloaded - i. e. I don't think there's just an ISO (or
whatever) of the rescue CD for download, you have to run something to
"build" it. And I assume it was that which Sydney was having no success
in running.

the computer with it. There is no need for VSS if you
do backups with the Macrium Rescue CD as the "OS" when
it runs. When the CD is running, you can back up the
regular OS partition, to an external hard drive or other
storage device.

+1 (once you've got to the point where you can make the CD).
[]
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

If it ain't broke, fix it 'til it is.

On 11/7/15 3:39 AM, Sydney wrote:
I have upgraded from Windows7 to Windows10 using W.U.
Now I have a question regarding maintenance. If something goes wrong and
I get a B.S.O.D for example, how do i restore to a previous date since
i don't have any windows10 DVD ?

Will the windows 7 DVd be sufficient ?

In addition to the Macrium Reflect suggestions, which you've already
done I see from another message, you can also make a system image using
Windows Backup and Restore. From looking at Macrium's website, I'm sure
the MS system is much more "plain" in it's options.

To use those W10 disks, you will need to burn a Windows Repair disk in
order to get to Startup Repair, System Restore, and other options. I am
assuming worst case scenario such as a BSOD. I do suggest you make sure
System Restore is even turned on. I'm just getting into my first
install of W10, and I *think* it is turned off by default.

If it's not the worst case scenario, you can get to the same repair
options by holding the shift key down and selecting Restart.

I also suggest you download the Media Creation Tool, the old name
apparently, at the first link in Paul's first reply.

All 3 of these methods get you same setup or repair options.

Note, I think the disk downloaded from Paul's link does NOT have the
actual W10 files. Even using that disk, eventually you end up
downloading and installing W10 from MS. I'm going to be checking that
out shortly by trying to install a copy of W10 without having an
internet connection.

There is a plus in downloading fresh from MS. You will get the latest
updates available at that time. If you reinstall a previously created
image using Macrium Reflect or Windows Backup and Restore, you will then
have to sit and wait for W10 to install any updates that are available.


--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 36.0.4
Thunderbird 31.5
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

Ken Springer wrote:


In addition to the Macrium Reflect suggestions, which you've already
done I see from another message, you can also make a system image using
Windows Backup and Restore. From looking at Macrium's website, I'm sure
the MS system is much more "plain" in it's options.

If VSS is broken, your choices are limited. Better to fix
VSS, as then you have many more options.

If VSS reports 0x8000FFFF in Macrium, the Windows 7 Backup
program will also report 0x8000FFFF. That's the problem
when your VSS is sick.

Booting a backup software CD, so that the regular Windows OS
is not running, is a temporary solution. That way, you can
arrange some kind of backup.

But eventually you have to fix the VSS, as too much stuff
relies on it, and sooner or later, more "hex codes" will
be filling your computer screen.

Paul

On 11/9/15 4:09 PM, Paul wrote:
Ken Springer wrote:


In addition to the Macrium Reflect suggestions, which you've already
done I see from another message, you can also make a system image using
Windows Backup and Restore. From looking at Macrium's website, I'm sure
the MS system is much more "plain" in it's options.

If VSS is broken, your choices are limited. Better to fix
VSS, as then you have many more options.

If VSS reports 0x8000FFFF in Macrium, the Windows 7 Backup
program will also report 0x8000FFFF. That's the problem
when your VSS is sick.

Doesn't this depend on whether you have your heart set on having a
system image as your backup plan?

The question should be asked, when and maybe why did VSS break? If you
use the disk or shiftrestart, and restoring to a previous point via
System Restore fixes VSS, then personally I don't really care why VSS broke.

Booting a backup software CD, so that the regular Windows OS
is not running, is a temporary solution. That way, you can
arrange some kind of backup.

I'm not following you here, Paul. Sorry. I wasn't implying that I
would be booting into W10 and running W10 from a disk. I don't know if
you can even do that. shrugging shoulders

But eventually you have to fix the VSS, as too much stuff
relies on it, and sooner or later, more "hex codes" will
be filling your computer screen.

This is one place where I think W10 is an improvement, even if you have
to have an internet connection to do it. One of the repair options
available using the disc or ShiftRestart options is you can reinstall
the OS ending up with the latest version, keeping or destroying your
files (which I assume the routine expects you to be using your personal
data folders), and with a couple of disk formatting options.

Let's say the VSS is broken. Now, you have to decide which is the most
efficient, figuring out why VSS is broken, finding a fix, and then
repairing. Or, simply reinstalling the OS straight to the latest
version. And while the OS is being reinstalled, you can be doing
something else. :-)


--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 36.0.4
Thunderbird 31.5
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

On 11/9/15 3:46 PM, Ken Springer wrote:
Note, I think the disk downloaded from Paul's link does NOT have the
actual W10 files. Even using that disk, eventually you end up
downloading and installing W10 from MS. I'm going to be checking that
out shortly by trying to install a copy of W10 without having an
internet connection.

Apparently, it does not. There's two sections during the W10 install,
first the default blue screen where it says Installing Windows X% in the
upper left corner (or something like that) and again later where there's
a large number saying X% with a circular progress bar that goes around
while the number increments.

At approximately 18% in the first screen, I unplugged the Ethernet
cable. In a minute or two, it went back to the W7 desktop with the
message that the update had failed.

--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 36.0.4
Thunderbird 31.5
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

In message , Ken Springer
writes:
On 11/9/15 3:46 PM, Ken Springer wrote:
Note, I think the disk downloaded from Paul's link does NOT have the
actual W10 files. Even using that disk, eventually you end up
downloading and installing W10 from MS. I'm going to be checking that
out shortly by trying to install a copy of W10 without having an
internet connection.

Apparently, it does not. There's two sections during the W10 install,
first the default blue screen where it says Installing Windows X% in
the upper left corner (or something like that) and again later where
there's a large number saying X% with a circular progress bar that goes
around while the number increments.

At approximately 18% in the first screen, I unplugged the Ethernet
cable. In a minute or two, it went back to the W7 desktop with the
message that the update had failed.

I'm not surprised it did that if it started _with_ such a connection.
It'd be interesting if you repeated the process with no connection from
the start - or, as is likely, am I missing something.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Veni, Vidi, Vera (I came, I saw, we'll meet again) - Mik from S+AS Limited
), 1998

Le 07/11/2015 14:55, Ken1943 a écrit :
On Sat, 7 Nov 2015 11:39:21 +0100, Sydney wrote:

I have upgraded from Windows7 to Windows10 using W.U.
Now I have a question regarding maintenance. If something goes wrong and
I get a B.S.O.D for example, how do i restore to a previous date since
i don't have any windows10 DVD ?

Will the windows 7 DVd be sufficient ?

Get a dvd download for your version of Windows 10. You can do a
repair reinstall with it. That will keep all your programs and
settings. I had to do it once already.


Ken1943

I have this already What I want to do is a disk image as a cure for
future problems.

On 11/10/15 12:30 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Ken Springer
writes:
On 11/9/15 3:46 PM, Ken Springer wrote:
Note, I think the disk downloaded from Paul's link does NOT have the
actual W10 files. Even using that disk, eventually you end up
downloading and installing W10 from MS. I'm going to be checking that
out shortly by trying to install a copy of W10 without having an
internet connection.

Apparently, it does not. There's two sections during the W10 install,
first the default blue screen where it says Installing Windows X% in
the upper left corner (or something like that) and again later where
there's a large number saying X% with a circular progress bar that goes
around while the number increments.

At approximately 18% in the first screen, I unplugged the Ethernet
cable. In a minute or two, it went back to the W7 desktop with the
message that the update had failed.

I'm not surprised it did that if it started _with_ such a connection.
It'd be interesting if you repeated the process with no connection from
the start - or, as is likely, am I missing something.

My hunch is it will still fail. I'll have at least 4 more machines to
upgrade to W10, I try to remember to do that with the next one.


--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 36.0.4
Thunderbird 31.5
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"