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September 14th 16, 08:31 PM
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My WIFI does not show any available servers (Lenovo T43 Laptop with XP Pro SP3, 32bit)
On Wed, 14 Sep 2016 14:04:10 -0400, Paul wrote:
Tests: http://www.sun.com --- We know this will fail due to DNS nslookup www.sun.com --- Gives 156.151.59.35 http://156.151.59.35 --- This should work. Gives an oracle.com info page about Sun Microsystems acquisition. When the latter URL works in your browser, it shows packets have traveled over the Internet, and proves more than you could ICMP ping the gateway. In Command Prompt, you can also try ping 156.151.59.35 as ICMP ping works on that server. But the symptoms remain, that your DNS is somehow screwed up. And you've even manually overridden the DNS by using 8.8.8.8 and it still doesn't work. You could go back and check where you put the DNS 8.8.8.8 thing. Make sure the Advanced section doesn't have anything strange. https://s13.postimg.org/bxfex3imv/tcpipadv.gif And in Control Panels : Administrative Tools : Services, you should have a DNS Client running. Although with the simple-minded 12007 error, it sounds like the client was probably running, and just coughed up the wrong result (i.e. nothing). https://s16.postimg.org/tzrhrkf91/dnsclient.gif There is such a thing as DNS hijacking, but I don't know the symptoms or debug sequence for that. Paul The DNS Client (gif) is identical to what I have. The Tcpipadv (gif) is what I have, except In the first part (left on the gif), the bottom has "use the following dns server address" checked, and below that is 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4. (in that order). In the advanced part, there is "Dns server addresses, in order of use" box, there is --- I'm wondering, when I ran the "Wireless Network Setup Wizard" it insisted that I give the network a name. I just typed in "Network2". In the "preferred network" list, which lists the local WIFI that I use, as well as other in my local area, that "network2" comes up as the "preferred". I may be wrong, but this is telling me that the network is trying to connect to my own computer, rather than connect to the WIFI signal. IS THAT POSSIBLE? In that list, I selected "REMOVE". However, in the "Wireless Network Setup Wizard", I can not remove that "Network2". The only options are to add another, or add to the "Network2". --- Could it be that the Wireless network card is defective? The seller said that he did use WIFI to install the updates, so he has no idea why it's not working. However he said if I can not get it to work, then I can return the computer for a refund, but I know the return shipping will cost at least half what I paid for the computer. My other oprion is to try to swap the Wireless adaptor from my old (dead) T43 computer, but I dont know if I want to go thru all of that hassle, and be without anything to connect to WIFI for many more weeks. I have already wasted many hours fighting with this piece of crap, and each and every time I change settings, I have to drive to town to test it again. This could go on forever, so I'd rather just lose the shipping costs and buy another laptop that (hopefully) works.... This all seems rather bizarre, since when I installed XP on my old T43, the WIFI worked immediately. Then I took the HDD from that old computer, put it into this computer, installed XP and it did not even recognize the WIFI card. That's why I am thinking that the card is defective. I think the next laptop I buy, will be from a local seller. At least that way, I can take it back and have them fix it, or replace it. I know it would cost a lot more, to buy locally, but saving money by buying online does not pay off if I get something that does not work (like this one). Of course I dont want to buy a NEW computer. First off, I cant afford it, secondly, I want no part of Windows 10 (or even Win8). 
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September 15th 16, 02:50 AM
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My WIFI does not show any available servers (Lenovo T43 Laptop with XP Pro SP3, 32bit)
On Wed, 14 Sep 2016 22:19:35 -0400, Paul wrote:
Paul The DNS Client (gif) is identical to what I have. The Tcpipadv (gif) is what I have, except In the first part (left on the gif), the bottom has "use the following dns server address" checked, and below that is 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4. (in that order). In the advanced part, there is "Dns server addresses, in order of use" box, there is --- I'm wondering, when I ran the "Wireless Network Setup Wizard" it insisted that I give the network a name. I just typed in "Network2". In the "preferred network" list, which lists the local WIFI that I use, as well as other in my local area, that "network2" comes up as the "preferred". I may be wrong, but this is telling me that the network is trying to connect to my own computer, rather than connect to the WIFI signal. IS THAT POSSIBLE? In that list, I selected "REMOVE". However, in the "Wireless Network Setup Wizard", I can not remove that "Network2". The only options are to add another, or add to the "Network2". --- Could it be that the Wireless network card is defective? The seller said that he did use WIFI to install the updates, so he has no idea why it's not working. However he said if I can not get it to work, then I can return the computer for a refund, but I know the return shipping will cost at least half what I paid for the computer. My other oprion is to try to swap the Wireless adaptor from my old (dead) T43 computer, but I dont know if I want to go thru all of that hassle, and be without anything to connect to WIFI for many more weeks. I have already wasted many hours fighting with this piece of crap, and each and every time I change settings, I have to drive to town to test it again. This could go on forever, so I'd rather just lose the shipping costs and buy another laptop that (hopefully) works.... This all seems rather bizarre, since when I installed XP on my old T43, the WIFI worked immediately. Then I took the HDD from that old computer, put it into this computer, installed XP and it did not even recognize the WIFI card. That's why I am thinking that the card is defective. I think the next laptop I buy, will be from a local seller. At least that way, I can take it back and have them fix it, or replace it. I know it would cost a lot more, to buy locally, but saving money by buying online does not pay off if I get something that does not work (like this one). Of course I dont want to buy a NEW computer. First off, I cant afford it, secondly, I want no part of Windows 10 (or even Win8). You can also purchase an Edimax USB Wifi for around $10 and install the driver for that. And have yet another Wifi. Disable the current Wifi in Device Manager first, of course. The Edimax is the one that Raspberry PI owners use for their computers. I don't see the traditional black-colored one, so this will have to do as a place holder. This uses a tiny internal antenna, probably 0.1" long. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16833315092 There are other USB ones. You can get some with a rotating antenna arm, which extends upwards to receive a bit more signal. When the USB port is used for Wifi, you cannot get more than ~30MB/sec or so from the thing. That means, something like an 802.11AC Wifi would be rather useless on USB2. Some of the slower standards would fit within the USB2 limit. I don't think this is really too important, unless you're at home moving content from one PC to another PC, over Wifi. For your download sessions in town, the Wifi system there probably doesn't go all that fast anyway. And the little Edimax is as good as any for that sort of thing. This is an example of an external with antenna. I wouldn't buy this one, unless I could get some chipset info and find out whether the drivers I need are available for it. Does it come with a driver CD ? And so on. Hardware is useless without drivers, and even if the purchase price was just $1, it would make a poor cufflink or tie clip. All the TV recording cards, all the WinModems are like that too - without proof they have "worthy" software, they're junk. It's especially difficult to get quality software to go with TV recording cards. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...9SIA7252WX8642 ******* How many computers do you own ? Do you have a Wireless router ? Could you run the Wifi on a second computer in Access Point mode ? Maybe there is some way to test it locally, before the trip to town. Since all I've got, is a laptop with Wifi, and no other Wifi gear, I'm never troubled by Wifi problems here :-) And that seems to be on purpose. When I buy a router, I make sure there's no Wifi on it :-) :-) Paul I went to a WIFI again, and got rather risky with changing settings related to the Wireless card. It just wont work, and before changing them, I found inconsistency. One reboot would have me NOT connected at all, another reboot said I was connected, and showed I was connected, yet none of the browsers could connect. I've come to the conclusion there has to be some sort of hardware issues with that built in wireless adaptor. At this point, I quit!!!! Ive wasted far too many hours in this crap. That USB adaptor looks like another possibility, but I am gonna see what the actual cost would be to ship this computer back to the seller first. I am not pleased with it. It was supposed to work, and it dont in that regard. I have 2 desktop computers that work. One has XP, the other has Win98. I dont have any other working laptops. I dont have a wireless router. What is Access Point mode? I cant see how I can setup any real WIFI on my dialup service.... Thanks
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September 15th 16, 03:19 AM
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My WIFI does not show any available servers (Lenovo T43 Laptopwith XP Pro SP3, 32bit)
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On Wed, 14 Sep 2016 14:04:10 -0400, Paul wrote: Tests: http://www.sun.com --- We know this will fail due to DNS nslookup www.sun.com --- Gives 156.151.59.35 http://156.151.59.35 --- This should work. Gives an oracle.com info page about Sun Microsystems acquisition. When the latter URL works in your browser, it shows packets have traveled over the Internet, and proves more than you could ICMP ping the gateway. In Command Prompt, you can also try ping 156.151.59.35 as ICMP ping works on that server. But the symptoms remain, that your DNS is somehow screwed up. And you've even manually overridden the DNS by using 8.8.8.8 and it still doesn't work. You could go back and check where you put the DNS 8.8.8.8 thing. Make sure the Advanced section doesn't have anything strange. https://s13.postimg.org/bxfex3imv/tcpipadv.gif And in Control Panels : Administrative Tools : Services, you should have a DNS Client running. Although with the simple-minded 12007 error, it sounds like the client was probably running, and just coughed up the wrong result (i.e. nothing). https://s16.postimg.org/tzrhrkf91/dnsclient.gif There is such a thing as DNS hijacking, but I don't know the symptoms or debug sequence for that. Paul The DNS Client (gif) is identical to what I have. The Tcpipadv (gif) is what I have, except In the first part (left on the gif), the bottom has "use the following dns server address" checked, and below that is 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4. (in that order). In the advanced part, there is "Dns server addresses, in order of use" box, there is --- I'm wondering, when I ran the "Wireless Network Setup Wizard" it insisted that I give the network a name. I just typed in "Network2". In the "preferred network" list, which lists the local WIFI that I use, as well as other in my local area, that "network2" comes up as the "preferred". I may be wrong, but this is telling me that the network is trying to connect to my own computer, rather than connect to the WIFI signal. IS THAT POSSIBLE? In that list, I selected "REMOVE". However, in the "Wireless Network Setup Wizard", I can not remove that "Network2". The only options are to add another, or add to the "Network2". --- Could it be that the Wireless network card is defective? The seller said that he did use WIFI to install the updates, so he has no idea why it's not working. However he said if I can not get it to work, then I can return the computer for a refund, but I know the return shipping will cost at least half what I paid for the computer. My other oprion is to try to swap the Wireless adaptor from my old (dead) T43 computer, but I dont know if I want to go thru all of that hassle, and be without anything to connect to WIFI for many more weeks. I have already wasted many hours fighting with this piece of crap, and each and every time I change settings, I have to drive to town to test it again. This could go on forever, so I'd rather just lose the shipping costs and buy another laptop that (hopefully) works.... This all seems rather bizarre, since when I installed XP on my old T43, the WIFI worked immediately. Then I took the HDD from that old computer, put it into this computer, installed XP and it did not even recognize the WIFI card. That's why I am thinking that the card is defective. I think the next laptop I buy, will be from a local seller. At least that way, I can take it back and have them fix it, or replace it. I know it would cost a lot more, to buy locally, but saving money by buying online does not pay off if I get something that does not work (like this one). Of course I dont want to buy a NEW computer. First off, I cant afford it, secondly, I want no part of Windows 10 (or even Win8). You can also purchase an Edimax USB Wifi for around $10 and install the driver for that. And have yet another Wifi. Disable the current Wifi in Device Manager first, of course. The Edimax is the one that Raspberry PI owners use for their computers. I don't see the traditional black-colored one, so this will have to do as a place holder. This uses a tiny internal antenna, probably 0.1" long. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16833315092 There are other USB ones. You can get some with a rotating antenna arm, which extends upwards to receive a bit more signal. When the USB port is used for Wifi, you cannot get more than ~30MB/sec or so from the thing. That means, something like an 802.11AC Wifi would be rather useless on USB2. Some of the slower standards would fit within the USB2 limit. I don't think this is really too important, unless you're at home moving content from one PC to another PC, over Wifi. For your download sessions in town, the Wifi system there probably doesn't go all that fast anyway. And the little Edimax is as good as any for that sort of thing. This is an example of an external with antenna. I wouldn't buy this one, unless I could get some chipset info and find out whether the drivers I need are available for it. Does it come with a driver CD ? And so on. Hardware is useless without drivers, and even if the purchase price was just $1, it would make a poor cufflink or tie clip. All the TV recording cards, all the WinModems are like that too - without proof they have "worthy" software, they're junk. It's especially difficult to get quality software to go with TV recording cards. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...9SIA7252WX8642 ******* How many computers do you own ? Do you have a Wireless router ? Could you run the Wifi on a second computer in Access Point mode ? Maybe there is some way to test it locally, before the trip to town. Since all I've got, is a laptop with Wifi, and no other Wifi gear, I'm never troubled by Wifi problems here :-) And that seems to be on purpose. When I buy a router, I make sure there's no Wifi on it :-) :-) Paul
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September 15th 16, 04:21 AM
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My WIFI does not show any available servers (Lenovo T43 Laptop with XP Pro SP3, 32bit)
On Thu, 15 Sep 2016 00:04:55 -0400, Paul wrote:
I didn't use the right technical term. I think this is the one I had in mind. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_ad_hoc_network "The network is ad-hoc because each node is willing to forward data for other nodes, and so the determination of which nodes forward data is made dynamically based on the network connectivity. This is in contrast to older network technologies in which some designated nodes, usually with custom hardware and variously known as routers, switches, hubs, and firewalls, perform the task of forwarding the data. Minimal configuration and quick deployment make ad hoc networks suitable for human-induced disasters " So the Adhoc is like this: Laptop ---//---- Desktop Wifi Wifi While the regular way of connecting (at Starbucks) is like this. Everything swizzles through a central device. THis is a model a lot of people are familiar with. Wifi Router / \ -- -- -- -- / \ Laptop Desktop Wifi Wifi ******* And potentially, with the dialup, maybe you could get ICS (Internet Connection Sharing) working too. This would allow the laptop to web surf. Slooowly of course. The desktop would be the one running ICS. I really wouldn't recommend this to anyone, so this is an illustration of "routing" hop by hop. Computers can route things, when you don't own a separate router box, or there is nothing worthy connected to the router box to make it worthwhile. Laptop ---//---- Desktop --- dialup Wifi Wifi You'd need two computers with working Wifi cards in them, to try that out. Plus the software to get the Adhoc working. There were some Asus wireless products, that used to have diagrams about doing Adhoc in the manual. But other than that, the issue doesn't seem to come up all that often. ******* You could boot some Linux LiveCD in the suspect laptop, and try and do Wifi from there. The purpose of doing such a test, is to check whether it is WinXP that is fouled up, or hardware is fouled up. Remember that your test case, did acquire a DHCP IP, discovered the gateway address. That takes a few packets, which means *some* packets did go places. That's why I suspect a software problem. If I didn't know better, I'd say "malware" did it. For Linux, if the chipset is Atheros, it should "just work". With Broadcom, and an excess of driver choices, some cursing and swearing is required. To do a good job on the Broadcom, you'd want to wire the laptop to the desktop and get the right Linux package downloaded to finish the job. You could boot a Linux LiveCD on the laptop now, and use one of the utilities in there to verify the Wifi hardware details. So you wouldn't have to take a blind trip into town just to test. You might be able to check out the possibilities (that a driver is already ready to go), before the drive to town. But since you're sick of it, I won't pester you. I'm just a guy that loves to test hardware. Even if it doesn't make sense. I know you want something to use, not a Frankenstein requiring a brain transplant. HTH, Paul You're right about just wanting something to use. However I do appreciate your help in trying to fix this. I do have a Puppy Linux CD. I could give it a try. These T43s do not have the abilty to boot from a USB flash drive, but I'll probably try that Puppy CD anyhow. If the problem is malware, I wonder why I could not get the WIFI to work when I installed XP on my other HDD. I used the same XP install CD I used on my old laptop and that one connected to WIFI without any extra effort on my part. However, I did notice several yellow markers in the system for lacking drivers. I know this T43 is not exactly the same as my old one, so I probably had some wrong drivers. Just curious. Is Windows 7 harder or easier (or the same) to configure for WIFI and as far as drivers? I only ask this bcause I want no part of Windows 8 or 10, but may look for a laptop with Windows 7. I've never used "7", but I've heard it works well, and is still pretty much compatible with XP software. So, I might consider something with Win7. Thanks again!
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September 15th 16, 05:04 AM
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My WIFI does not show any available servers (Lenovo T43 Laptopwith XP Pro SP3, 32bit)
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I went to a WIFI again, and got rather risky with changing settings related to the Wireless card. It just wont work, and before changing them, I found inconsistency. One reboot would have me NOT connected at all, another reboot said I was connected, and showed I was connected, yet none of the browsers could connect. I've come to the conclusion there has to be some sort of hardware issues with that built in wireless adaptor. At this point, I quit!!!! Ive wasted far too many hours in this crap. That USB adaptor looks like another possibility, but I am gonna see what the actual cost would be to ship this computer back to the seller first. I am not pleased with it. It was supposed to work, and it dont in that regard. I have 2 desktop computers that work. One has XP, the other has Win98. I dont have any other working laptops. I dont have a wireless router. What is Access Point mode? I cant see how I can setup any real WIFI on my dialup service.... Thanks I didn't use the right technical term. I think this is the one I had in mind. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_ad_hoc_network "The network is ad-hoc because each node is willing to forward data for other nodes, and so the determination of which nodes forward data is made dynamically based on the network connectivity. This is in contrast to older network technologies in which some designated nodes, usually with custom hardware and variously known as routers, switches, hubs, and firewalls, perform the task of forwarding the data. Minimal configuration and quick deployment make ad hoc networks suitable for human-induced disasters " So the Adhoc is like this: Laptop ---//---- Desktop Wifi Wifi While the regular way of connecting (at Starbucks) is like this. Everything swizzles through a central device. THis is a model a lot of people are familiar with. Wifi Router / \ -- -- -- -- / \ Laptop Desktop Wifi Wifi ******* And potentially, with the dialup, maybe you could get ICS (Internet Connection Sharing) working too. This would allow the laptop to web surf. Slooowly of course. The desktop would be the one running ICS. I really wouldn't recommend this to anyone, so this is an illustration of "routing" hop by hop. Computers can route things, when you don't own a separate router box, or there is nothing worthy connected to the router box to make it worthwhile. Laptop ---//---- Desktop --- dialup Wifi Wifi You'd need two computers with working Wifi cards in them, to try that out. Plus the software to get the Adhoc working. There were some Asus wireless products, that used to have diagrams about doing Adhoc in the manual. But other than that, the issue doesn't seem to come up all that often. ******* You could boot some Linux LiveCD in the suspect laptop, and try and do Wifi from there. The purpose of doing such a test, is to check whether it is WinXP that is fouled up, or hardware is fouled up. Remember that your test case, did acquire a DHCP IP, discovered the gateway address. That takes a few packets, which means *some* packets did go places. That's why I suspect a software problem. If I didn't know better, I'd say "malware" did it. For Linux, if the chipset is Atheros, it should "just work". With Broadcom, and an excess of driver choices, some cursing and swearing is required. To do a good job on the Broadcom, you'd want to wire the laptop to the desktop and get the right Linux package downloaded to finish the job. You could boot a Linux LiveCD on the laptop now, and use one of the utilities in there to verify the Wifi hardware details. So you wouldn't have to take a blind trip into town just to test. You might be able to check out the possibilities (that a driver is already ready to go), before the drive to town. But since you're sick of it, I won't pester you. I'm just a guy that loves to test hardware. Even if it doesn't make sense. I know you want something to use, not a Frankenstein requiring a brain transplant. HTH, Paul
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