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Anyone know if the "premium" CCleaner or Avast "cleaner" are worth
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masonc wrote:
Anyone know if the "premium" CCleaner or Avast "cleaner" are worth getting? https://www.piriform.com/ccleaner Tells you right there what you get by paying for CCleaner. For the free version: - Faster computer. The free version already does the same cleanup. - Privacy protection. The free version already the same cleanup. - Real-time monitoring. Do you want a background process to nag you when it is time to perform cleanup when some threshold has been reached? - Scheduled cleaning. Unclear if they load yet another background process as a scheduler or use Task Scheduler already availble in Windows. You can already do scheduling with the free version. Create a scheduled event in Task Scheduler that runs "path\ccleaner.exe /AUTO". - Automatic updates. The free version has an option to check for a newer version when you run it (other than when using the /AUTO command-line argument). I'm not a fan of any software changing the state of my computer without prompting me and without my permission at that time. - Premium support. Have you encountered problems in using the free version? Have you perused the forums to gauge peer support? https://www.avast.com/en-us/cleanup#pc There's nothing their overpriced payware does that I cannot do with freeware. I use Avast Free. If you let it install using their defaults, you'll get stuck with lureware, like this product. I do a custom install of Avast to block the junk and lurewa Mail Shield (superfluous), Software Updater (nagware - look at Secuna PSI if you want this, um, stuff), SafeZone Browser (I can better configure a more secure web browser), Security browser extension (aka web reputation add-on, like MyWot or McAfee SiteAdvisor - worthless since less than 1% of domains are registered), SafePrice browser extension (lureware), SecureVPN (lureware), Passwords (do use auto-password managers), Cleanup (lureware). |
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On Sat, 18 Mar 2017 19:18:57 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:
masonc wrote: Anyone know if the "premium" CCleaner or Avast "cleaner" are worth getting? https://www.piriform.com/ccleaner Tells you right there what you get by paying for CCleaner. For the free version: - Faster computer. The free version already does the same cleanup. - Privacy protection. The free version already the same cleanup. - Real-time monitoring. Do you want a background process to nag you when it is time to perform cleanup when some threshold has been reached? - Scheduled cleaning. Unclear if they load yet another background process as a scheduler or use Task Scheduler already availble in Windows. You can already do scheduling with the free version. Create a scheduled event in Task Scheduler that runs "path\ccleaner.exe /AUTO". - Automatic updates. The free version has an option to check for a newer version when you run it (other than when using the /AUTO command-line argument). I'm not a fan of any software changing the state of my computer without prompting me and without my permission at that time. - Premium support. Have you encountered problems in using the free version? Have you perused the forums to gauge peer support? https://www.avast.com/en-us/cleanup#pc There's nothing their overpriced payware does that I cannot do with freeware. I use Avast Free. If you let it install using their defaults, you'll get stuck with lureware, like this product. I do a custom install of Avast to block the junk and lurewa Mail Shield (superfluous), Software Updater (nagware - look at Secuna PSI if you want this, um, stuff), SafeZone Browser (I can better configure a more secure web browser), Security browser extension (aka web reputation add-on, like MyWot or McAfee SiteAdvisor - worthless since less than 1% of domains are registered), SafePrice browser extension (lureware), SecureVPN (lureware), Passwords (do use auto-password managers), Cleanup (lureware). Thanks for the appraisal. (sorry about the double post -- Forte Agent lied to me when it said the first wasn't posted.) |
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On Sat, 18 Mar 2017 19:18:57 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:
Tells you right there what you get by paying for CCleaner. For the free version: - Faster computer. The free version already does the same cleanup. I'd like to see documentation of anyone's computer actually going faster. Cleaning the System Registry won't do it. - Privacy protection. The free version already the same cleanup. - Real-time monitoring. Do you want a background process to nag you when it is time to perform cleanup when some threshold has been reached? - Scheduled cleaning. Unclear if they load yet another background process as a scheduler or use Task Scheduler already availble in Windows. You can already do scheduling with the free version. Create a scheduled event in Task Scheduler that runs "path\ccleaner.exe /AUTO". - Automatic updates. The free version has an option to check for a newer version when you run it (other than when using the /AUTO command-line argument). I'm not a fan of any software changing the state of my computer without prompting me and without my permission at that time. - Premium support. Have you encountered problems in using the free version? Have you perused the forums to gauge peer support? And as has been posted many times, none of the "advantages" of CCleaner are actually needed in Windows 7. Mot to mention the numerous reports of it actually harming Windows installations. As far as I can recall, those were all associated with letting it "clean" the registry and delete whatever it thinks should be deleted. But people who think they need a registry cleaner are also unfortunately likely to assume that the tool knows what it's doing and should be allowed to run unsupervised. -- Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA http://BrownMath.com/ http://OakRoadSystems.com/ Shikata ga nai... |
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Stan Brown wrote:
I'd like to see documentation of anyone's computer actually going faster. Cleaning the System Registry won't do it. An SSD hard drive will, though :-) |
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We use the Vit.
Its free, and its fantastic. And tells you,, everything....!!! Its a ukraine program. We have not had any problems and were using 6.1, but this link, is the 12.8 version, we are using the 9.5 ... http://www.top4download.com/software...ywords=vitsoft On 3/18/2017 4:57 PM, masonc wrote: Anyone know if the "premium" CCleaner or Avast "cleaner" are worth getting? |
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no, its a help.. you have to get rid of all that other **** they
pile in your machines... I only know one answer to all that mal ware, and other crap, its this... But watch the whole thing and read all of it, for it is pretty thorough in what it all does. I like the web cop, that's certainly a help, it watches your websites so that as soon as a file in your website changes at the server, the little alarm goes off.... http://www.novirusthanks.org/ On 3/19/2017 8:37 AM, Stan Brown wrote: On Sat, 18 Mar 2017 19:18:57 -0500, VanguardLH wrote: Tells you right there what you get by paying for CCleaner. For the free version: - Faster computer. The free version already does the same cleanup. I'd like to see documentation of anyone's computer actually going faster. Cleaning the System Registry won't do it. - Privacy protection. The free version already the same cleanup. - Real-time monitoring. Do you want a background process to nag you when it is time to perform cleanup when some threshold has been reached? - Scheduled cleaning. Unclear if they load yet another background process as a scheduler or use Task Scheduler already availble in Windows. You can already do scheduling with the free version. Create a scheduled event in Task Scheduler that runs "path\ccleaner.exe /AUTO". - Automatic updates. The free version has an option to check for a newer version when you run it (other than when using the /AUTO command-line argument). I'm not a fan of any software changing the state of my computer without prompting me and without my permission at that time. - Premium support. Have you encountered problems in using the free version? Have you perused the forums to gauge peer support? And as has been posted many times, none of the "advantages" of CCleaner are actually needed in Windows 7. Mot to mention the numerous reports of it actually harming Windows installations. As far as I can recall, those were all associated with letting it "clean" the registry and delete whatever it thinks should be deleted. But people who think they need a registry cleaner are also unfortunately likely to assume that the tool knows what it's doing and should be allowed to run unsupervised. |
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On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 15:44:20 -0400, Wolf K wrote:
I've never had an issue with CCleaner. I like to get rid of temp files, CCleaner does good job of that. So does Windows. Run CLEANMGR, which has been part of Windows since at least Windows XP. Or, Start*» Run*» %TEMP%, press Ctrl+A to select all, and tap the Delete key. In Windows XP, if any selected file was in use then Windows wouldn't delete any of them; with Windows 7(*) and later, it gives you the option to skip the ones that are in use while deleting all the ones that aren't. But CLEANMGR is better because you don't have to remember to empty the Recycle Bin after deleting temp files. (*) Maybe Vista; I don't know. -- Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA http://BrownMath.com/ http://OakRoadSystems.com/ Shikata ga nai... |
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On Tue, 21 Mar 2017 20:42:11 -0400, Stan Brown
wrote: On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 15:44:20 -0400, Wolf K wrote: I've never had an issue with CCleaner. I like to get rid of temp files, CCleaner does good job of that. So does Windows. Run CLEANMGR, which has been part of Windows since at least Windows XP. Or, StartÂ*» RunÂ*» %TEMP%, press Ctrl+A to select all, and tap the Delete key. In Windows XP, if any selected file was in use then Windows wouldn't delete any of them; with Windows 7(*) and later, it gives you the option to skip the ones that are in use while deleting all the ones that aren't. But CLEANMGR is better because you don't have to remember to empty the Recycle Bin after deleting temp files. Thanks, that looks useful. I've been using a thing called EZCleaner for a while, but it doesn't reach some .TMP and .BAK files in lower directories. I've just tried CCCleaner and it doesn't reach them either, but it removed frequently-visited sites from mky web browser, which was a nuisance. I once used DR-DOS, which had an XDEL command, which did reach directories at all levels, and that worked in Windows 98, but not in Windows XP or later. -- Steve Hayes http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm http://khanya.wordpress.com |
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In message , Steve Hayes
writes: On Tue, 21 Mar 2017 20:42:11 -0400, Stan Brown wrote: On Sun, 19 Mar 2017 15:44:20 -0400, Wolf K wrote: I've never had an issue with CCleaner. I like to get rid of temp files, CCleaner does good job of that. So does Windows. Run CLEANMGR, which has been part of Windows since at least Windows XP. Or, Start*0 Delete key. In Windows XP, if any selected file was in use then Windows wouldn't delete any of them; with Windows 7(*) and later, it gives you the option to skip the ones that are in use while deleting all the ones that aren't. But CLEANMGR is better because you don't have to remember to empty the Recycle Bin after deleting temp files. Shift-delete will bypass the ressicle bin (-:. Thanks, that looks useful. I've been using a thing called EZCleaner for a while, but it doesn't reach some .TMP and .BAK files in lower directories. I've just tried CCCleaner and it doesn't reach them either, but it removed frequently-visited sites from mky web browser, which was a nuisance. I once used DR-DOS, which had an XDEL command, which did reach directories at all levels, and that worked in Windows 98, but not in Windows XP or later. 3 -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Know what happens when you don't pay your exorcist? You get repossessed! - Randle Brashear, 2015-8-9 |
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On 03/21/2017 09:09 PM, Steve Hayes wrote:
[snip] I once used DR-DOS, which had an XDEL command, which did reach directories at all levels, and that worked in Windows 98, but not in Windows XP or later. I remember DELTREE. Maybe that was somewhere else. 4DOS? -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.us/ "If reason don't 'splain it, disdain it!" |
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Mark Lloyd wrote:
Steve Hayes wrote: I once used DR-DOS, which had an XDEL command, which did reach directories at all levels, and that worked in Windows 98, but not in Windows XP or later. I remember DELTREE. Maybe that was somewhere else. 4DOS? https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...ime-in-windows Not needed in NT-based versions of Windows due to availability of the 'rd' (or 'rmdir') command along with its /s switch to recurse the directory hierarchy. |
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On Wed, 22 Mar 2017 13:53:45 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:
Mark Lloyd wrote: Steve Hayes wrote: I once used DR-DOS, which had an XDEL command, which did reach directories at all levels, and that worked in Windows 98, but not in Windows XP or later. I remember DELTREE. Maybe that was somewhere else. 4DOS? https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...ime-in-windows Not needed in NT-based versions of Windows due to availability of the 'rd' (or 'rmdir') command along with its /s switch to recurse the directory hierarchy. But is there an equivalent of xdel? CCcleaner doesn't seem to do it, and removes stuff I find useful, so I won't be using it again. -- Steve Hayes http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm http://khanya.wordpress.com |
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Steve Hayes wrote:
VanguardLH wrote: Mark Lloyd wrote: Steve Hayes wrote: I once used DR-DOS, which had an XDEL command, which did reach directories at all levels, and that worked in Windows 98, but not in Windows XP or later. I remember DELTREE. Maybe that was somewhere else. 4DOS? https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...ime-in-windows Not needed in NT-based versions of Windows due to availability of the 'rd' (or 'rmdir') command along with its /s switch to recurse the directory hierarchy. But is there an equivalent of xdel? Without knowing what XDEL did (compared to to existing DOS/Windows commands), I cannot tell you if there are equivalents included in Windows (and I haven't played with MS/IBM-DOS for a couple decades). I've not had occasion to use Caldera's DR-DOS although I know some bootable floppy images used it for their OS under which some utility program would load (rare few programmers still code in instruction code targeting a specific CPU's instruction set). http://www.drdos.net/documentation/usergeng/08ugch8.htm All that says for XDEL is "Delete a group of subdirectories and files". Well, how is that different than running "rd /s basefolder"? Looks like DR-DOS targeted the missing 'rd' and 'rmdir' commands back under 9x-based versions of Windows. XDEL probably does not work "in Windows XP or later" because those are NT-based versions of Windows where 'rd' and 'rmdir' are available, plus that is a command known only to the DR-DOS command-line interpreter, not to the command interpreter in any MS/IBM-DOS, Windows 9x, or Windows NT. You had to load DR-DOS to use its inbuilt XDEL function. CCcleaner doesn't seem to do it, and removes stuff I find useful, so I won't be using it again. CCleaner is very configurable. Not only can you choose what it deletes but can add other locations in its custom setup. A deficiency in many cleanup tools is the lack of a detailed list of exactly what and where they will delete files or folders. They really need to present a list of proposed deletes so the user can opt out of some or change the tool's config to omit those paths in the future. CCleaner cleanup gives you that info. If you click Analyze (to list its proposed deletes instead of doing them immediately using Run Cleaner), you can right-click on a category to get more analysis (details). Clicking on any of the details tells you what is included, if any, files or folders in the proposed deletes. What stuff do you find is useful that CCleaner deletes? Have you configured it to not touch those files or folders? Under Options are Include and Exclude paths you can specify. I've used the Include list to get rid of remnant files and even their folders of programs that are incomplete in their own deletes, like after exiting a program that leaves behind a cache of files. What CCleaner does not have is a whitelist and blacklist of registry entries. For those, you would have to decide to opt out of one of its categories (as a whitelist of those entries) but that still doesn't give you a blacklist of more registry entries that you want deleted. I suppose they figure that is more a part of their registry cleanup component which lists all the proposed changes; however, there are registry entries that I would like *added* to the proposed list. To get more registry entries added, you have to make a request to the author which reasons as to why those registry entries should get deleted and whether to add them to an existing category or to create a new category to include those registry entries. |
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On Wed, 22 Mar 2017 22:05:20 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:
Steve Hayes wrote: VanguardLH wrote: Mark Lloyd wrote: Steve Hayes wrote: I once used DR-DOS, which had an XDEL command, which did reach directories at all levels, and that worked in Windows 98, but not in Windows XP or later. I remember DELTREE. Maybe that was somewhere else. 4DOS? https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...ime-in-windows Not needed in NT-based versions of Windows due to availability of the 'rd' (or 'rmdir') command along with its /s switch to recurse the directory hierarchy. But is there an equivalent of xdel? Without knowing what XDEL did (compared to to existing DOS/Windows commands), I cannot tell you if there are equivalents included in Windows (and I haven't played with MS/IBM-DOS for a couple decades). I've not had occasion to use Caldera's DR-DOS although I know some bootable floppy images used it for their OS under which some utility program would load (rare few programmers still code in instruction code targeting a specific CPU's instruction set). XDEL could delete files in subdirectories, just as XCOPY copies files in subdirectories eg if you are in the root directory and type xdel *.tmp /s it will remove all the .tmp files on that drive. http://www.drdos.net/documentation/usergeng/08ugch8.htm All that says for XDEL is "Delete a group of subdirectories and files". Well, how is that different than running "rd /s basefolder"? Looks like DR-DOS targeted the missing 'rd' and 'rmdir' commands back under 9x-based versions of Windows. XDEL probably does not work "in Windows XP or later" because those are NT-based versions of Windows where 'rd' and 'rmdir' are available, plus that is a command known only to the DR-DOS command-line interpreter, not to the command interpreter in any MS/IBM-DOS, Windows 9x, or Windows NT. You had to load DR-DOS to use its inbuilt XDEL function. It worked in MS-Dos 6x and 7x, where the command line interpreter would run the file if present. MS-DOS 7cx was the underlying operating system for Windows 98, but XP and later versions of Windows had a Windows op-erating system, and just had a command li9ne interpreter Window, which worked through Windows. It may also be that XDEL only worked on FAT 16. I didn't check to see that. CCcleaner doesn't seem to do it, and removes stuff I find useful, so I won't be using it again. CCleaner is very configurable. Not only can you choose what it deletes but can add other locations in its custom setup. A deficiency in many cleanup tools is the lack of a detailed list of exactly what and where they will delete files or folders. They really need to present a list of proposed deletes so the user can opt out of some or change the tool's config to omit those paths in the future. CCleaner cleanup gives you that info. If you click Analyze (to list its proposed deletes instead of doing them immediately using Run Cleaner), you can right-click on a category to get more analysis (details). Clicking on any of the details tells you what is included, if any, files or folders in the proposed deletes. Thanks, I'll look at it more closely to see how configurable it is. -- Steve Hayes http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm http://khanya.wordpress.com |
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