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  #16  
Old December 1st 18, 10:34 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Sat, 1 Dec 2018 21:05:44 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
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In message , Mayayana
writes:
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote

| A pound sign denotes an ID: #someID
| []
| # is a hash, number sign, sharp sign, or even an octothorp (I think). It
| isn't a pound sign - this is (though not being part of original-ASCII it
| might not come through right): £.
|

Sorry. I guess hash is better in international forums.
None of the others is unambiguous in my experience.
(Except in Microsoft's world of language butchery, where
they insist C# must be pronounced as the cutesy
"C sharp".) I use it as a number sign, but I've never


I did mention sharp (-:! However, I've rarely encountered it outside
musical circles.



I don't find it "cutesy" at all. Anyone who plays a musical instrument
(I play classical guitar) would almost automatically call it C-sharp.


heard it called a number sign. Octothorp? Maybe in
the rarefied world of your OED.



I know the term "octothorp" but I've never heard anyone use it.


I suppose it will be in there (everything else is!), but I've only ever
seen it in Wikipedia entries, such as
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number...mes_in_English .
(Interestingly, just above the octo- section in that page, it says:
-------
Hashtag
The word "hashtag" is often used when reading social media messages
aloud, indicating the start of a hashtag. For instance the text "#foo"
is often read out loud as "hashtag, foo" (as opposed to "hash, foo").
This leads to the common belief that the symbol itself is called
"hashtag".
---
So it isn't actually _called_ hashtag.)



I've seen the terms "hashtag" and "hash," but again, here in the USA,
I've never heard anyone use it. If I were reading the text "#foo" out
loud, I would say "pound sign foo."


In the US, # is most commonly a pound sign because
in public it's most often used to mark items for sale by
weight.


That's interesting. Do you mean it is used to represent the pound weight
(what we use "lb" for here, though we're [albeit _very_ gradually!]
going towards metric), or just to indicate that something _is_ sold by
weight?



Although it's often called "pound sign," despite what Mayayana says I
can't remember ever seeing something for sale by weight marked with
it. If something was 79 cents a pound, it's normally marked as $.79
lb.

Even if it's not something for sale, I can't remember seeing it used
instead of "pound(s)." Someone might write that he weighed 150 lbs,
but not that he weighed 150#.

So that leads to the question, why is it called the pound sign? I
didn't know the answer, so I just did a Google search and found
https://www.dictionary.com/e/octothorpe/ which says "This name came to
be because the symbol comes from the abbreviation for weight, lb, or
libra pondo, literally “pound by weight,” in Latin. When writing “lb,”
scribes often crossed the letters with a line across the top, like a
t."

That web site also says "The number sign. This phrase arose in Britain
because pound sign could easily be confused with the British currency.
And of course, the # symbol is sometimes spoken as the word 'number,'
as in '#2 pencil.' " Yes, if I saw "#2 pencil," I would pronounce it
as "number two pencil," certainly not "pound two pencil."
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Old December 1st 18, 10:42 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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"Stan Brown" wrote

| It's not that hard to detect what OS you are on and redirect to another
| page that is phone design or a page that is PC designed. Except that
| takes work and no one these days want to do any work, God forbid you do
| a good job now a days.
|
| It's not a matter of detecting the OS, but of detecting the width of
| the browser window. This is easily done in CSS, and support for that
| particular construct is in all popular browsers, as far as I'm aware.
|

Actually, detecting OS is better, if they must do such things.
That can be had from the userAgent. CSS does not provide
access to the screen. You need scripting for that. All of
the page-size code, lazy-load images, etc completely breaks
without javascript.

The UA will at least tell whether the visitor is on
a phone or computer with reasonable accuracy. Personally
I haven't bothered with that for years. In the early days of
phones it was necessary to make phone-specific pages.
These days a whole page fits on a phone with very crisp
visuals because the PPI are so high. And people can easily
zoom in or out. So there's really no point in designing for
phones. But it is feasible to *optimize* for phones, which
seems to be the problem we're talking about. The problem
is that they're not writing different pages for each device.
They're just optimizing for phones.

| On well-designed Web pages, when running on your desktop, if you
| gradually decrease the width of your browser window you will reach a
| point where suddenly the page snaps into a different layout, one
| appropriate for narrow screens.
|

Again, that's a poor design that depends on script.
There's no reason for a page not to size itself for any
width. All you need to do is to spec at least one
horizontal volume (the whole page, a table TD, etc)
as a percentage rather than a set number, and not
set any fixed element too big. But many sites just set
the width of the page at 1000px. So a browser
800 px wide (about what I like it at) gets a clipped page.


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Old December 1st 18, 10:53 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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"Stan Brown" wrote

| I steer a middle course on my own pages. I set a maximum text width,
| based on readability studies. Otherwise people with 4K screens would
| have lines of text that are uncomfortably long for reading.
|

Incidentally, did you know that images on your site
seem to be in a restricted folder? The return a 403.


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Old December 1st 18, 11:03 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote

| In the US, # is most commonly a pound sign because
| in public it's most often used to mark items for sale by
| weight.
|
| That's interesting. Do you mean it is used to represent the pound weight
| (what we use "lb" for here, though we're [albeit _very_ gradually!]
| going towards metric), or just to indicate that something _is_ sold by
| weight?

It's the measure. The same as lb. I assumed you
were just being stubborn in not acknowledging that.
Apparently it's not a tradition in the UK.

| You can go to
| France and complain that it's a crescent roll and not
| the mouth-full-of-pebbles "cwah-sauh" word that they
| use. But it's their country, after all. Better to just
| enjoy your dessert.
|
| I, too, actually prefer to use the English version where I can

I've noticed that with Brits in general. You anglicize.
GAR-age in the UK is gar-AZHE in the US. We inherited the
language so we don't tend to feel we have the right
to convert words. It's a sign of sophistication to
pronounce croissant like the French.

I think we talked about this once. At one time I had
an English girlfriend whose mother asked me if I wanted
to go with them to see "Don Jewan". Don Jewan? I
finally figured out she was saying Don Juan, but that
she considered the proper pronunciation to be the
anglicized version. It was oddly humorous. This was
a very stuffy woman, married to the brother of a
lord. Yet in the US anyone who said Don Jewan would
be laughed out of the theater as a hopeless hayseed.

| Now that that's settled, care to argue about fags
| and biscuits?
|
|
| And don't ask to borrow a rubber, or to be knocked up in the morning.

We use both of those terms. A rubber can also
mean a rubber shoe protector, but I haven't seen
one of those for years.


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Old December 1st 18, 11:15 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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"Ken Blake" wrote

|
| I don't find it "cutesy" at all. Anyone who plays a musical instrument
| (I play classical guitar) would almost automatically call it C-sharp.
|

It's not cutesy in music. It's cutesy in Microsoft's
usage. They're passive-aggressively coercing people
into complimenting their programming language. It's
c-hash. Sharp is only in music. But calling it c-sharp
implies that it's clever, efficient, smart, etc. It's
also a play on C++.

They like to market things that way. Another
example was Windows Millennium Edition. Windows ME.
But I read somewhere that they specifically asked
journalists not to capitalize the e. They wanted it
to be Windows Me. But they didn't want to openly
admit to using such a tacky, kiddie name. So the
logo and the presentation were ambiguous. The official
logo had both letters lower case cursive, but the M
was bigger.

| Although it's often called "pound sign," despite what Mayayana says I
| can't remember ever seeing something for sale by weight marked with
| it. If something was 79 cents a pound, it's normally marked as $.79
| lb.
|
It's not as common these days. It was more common
back when in the days of local shops being common.

..99/#

When we bought apples and peaches from a sidewalk
stand rather than a supermarket shelf, and the
clerk would mark the prices on a scrap of cardboard
with a grease pencil. You're probably too young to
remember.


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Old December 1st 18, 11:43 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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In message , Mayayana
writes:
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote

| In the US, # is most commonly a pound sign because
| in public it's most often used to mark items for sale by
| weight.
|
| That's interesting. Do you mean it is used to represent the pound weight
| (what we use "lb" for here, though we're [albeit _very_ gradually!]
| going towards metric), or just to indicate that something _is_ sold by
| weight?

It's the measure. The same as lb. I assumed you
were just being stubborn in not acknowledging that.
Apparently it's not a tradition in the UK.


I (born 1960) have never seen it, though I won't claim it's never used.

| You can go to
| France and complain that it's a crescent roll and not
| the mouth-full-of-pebbles "cwah-sauh" word that they
| use. But it's their country, after all. Better to just
| enjoy your dessert.
|
| I, too, actually prefer to use the English version where I can

I've noticed that with Brits in general. You anglicize.


I meant I use the English _word_, like your crescent rather than
croissant. I'm somewhat unusual in that.

GAR-age in the UK is gar-AZHE in the US. We inherited the


I think that's probably as varied here as there. I'd probably use your
French-like pronunciation, but yes, I've heard plenty of people
pronounce it to rhyme with carriage.

language so we don't tend to feel we have the right
to convert words. It's a sign of sophistication to
pronounce croissant like the French.

I think we talked about this once. At one time I had
an English girlfriend whose mother asked me if I wanted
to go with them to see "Don Jewan". Don Jewan? I
finally figured out she was saying Don Juan, but that
she considered the proper pronunciation to be the
anglicized version. It was oddly humorous. This was
a very stuffy woman, married to the brother of a
lord. Yet in the US anyone who said Don Jewan would
be laughed out of the theater as a hopeless hayseed.


I'd say something like Don Hwan? (Although I don't think it's performed
much here. But I'm a philistine and don't move in those circles - maybe
it is and I just don't know it.)

| Now that that's settled, care to argue about fags
| and biscuits?
|
|
| And don't ask to borrow a rubber, or to be knocked up in the morning.

We use both of those terms. A rubber can also
mean a rubber shoe protector, but I haven't seen
one of those for years.

Yes, but we _don't_ use it to mean a condom. (When I was a lad, the
normal term for those was Durex, that being the best-known manufacturer
of such things; I think the generic "condom" only came into wide use
with public health education films about the time AIDS got going. Caused
some confusion/amusement when Australian visitors asked for a _roll_ of
Durex - apparently in Oz, it refers to what we used to call Sellotape
and the US Scotch tape, i. e. clear adhesive tape on a roll.)

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Old December 2nd 18, 12:21 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Linea Recta wrote:

Is there any simple way to get rid of background image in Chrome, to make
text readable again? Preferabally without installing anything.

Often I can nearly read the text, until the crap image loads in the
background...


There are extensions to add a high-contrast mode to Chrome. Some will
add a reading mode (strips the web page except for the main article).
Google added their DOM distiller for a reader view mode but I'm not
familiar with it.

A trick I learned long ago with you have page authors that are clearly
color blind/skewed or use horrible monitors with crappy color schemes is
to highlight the text that I want to read. It can sometimes help make
the text more legible.
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Old December 2nd 18, 01:00 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Sat, 1 Dec 2018 22:43:46 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , Mayayana
writes:
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote

| In the US, # is most commonly a pound sign because
| in public it's most often used to mark items for sale by
| weight.
|
| That's interesting. Do you mean it is used to represent the pound weight
| (what we use "lb" for here, though we're [albeit _very_ gradually!]
| going towards metric), or just to indicate that something _is_ sold by
| weight?

It's the measure. The same as lb. I assumed you
were just being stubborn in not acknowledging that.
Apparently it's not a tradition in the UK.


I (born 1960) have never seen it, though I won't claim it's never used.

| You can go to
| France and complain that it's a crescent roll and not
| the mouth-full-of-pebbles "cwah-sauh" word that they
| use. But it's their country, after all. Better to just
| enjoy your dessert.
|
| I, too, actually prefer to use the English version where I can

I've noticed that with Brits in general. You anglicize.


I meant I use the English _word_, like your crescent rather than
croissant. I'm somewhat unusual in that.



To me, the word "crescent" refers to a shape, and "croissant" refers
to a pastry. I would never use either one of them to refer to the
other.

But speaking of French names for foods, would you say "chicken with
wine" for what I would call "coq au vin"? Would you say "pancake" for
what I would call a "crêpe"? "Chocolate pudding" for "mousse au
chocolat"? "Fat duck liver" for "fois gras"? And so on.

And moving on to another country, "little strings with mariners sauce"
for "spaghetti marinara"? "Pasta with beans" for "pasta e fagioli"?
And so on.

I could add more examples and more countries, but I think I've already
made my point. Many dishes are known by their names in the language of
their country of origin, rather than being translated into English.
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Old December 2nd 18, 02:09 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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"Ken Blake" wrote

|
| To me, the word "crescent" refers to a shape, and "croissant" refers
| to a pastry. I would never use either one of them to refer to the
| other.
|

They're the same basic baked good.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/croissant
"French, literally, crescent, from Middle French"

Crescent rolls:
https://www.allrecipes.com/recipe/70...rescent-rolls/

A crescent roll is the english for croissant. Just like naivety
is English for naivete. People think it's clever to use the foreign
word and then forget that we have our own word!

Either way, the greasy monstrosities sold at the likes
of Starbucks can't really lay claim to either name. Maybe
"Flaky pillow de la grease avec chocolat"?



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Old December 2nd 18, 04:34 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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In message , Ken Blake
writes:
On Sat, 1 Dec 2018 22:43:46 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , Mayayana
writes:
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote

[]
I now realise the next bit was _not_ written by Ken Blake; someone had
trimmed the attributions.

| You can go to
| France and complain that it's a crescent roll and not
| the mouth-full-of-pebbles "cwah-sauh" word that they
| use. But it's their country, after all. Better to just
| enjoy your dessert.
|
| I, too, actually prefer to use the English version where I can

I've noticed that with Brits in general. You anglicize.


I meant I use the English _word_, like your crescent rather than
croissant. I'm somewhat unusual in that.



To me, the word "crescent" refers to a shape, and "croissant" refers
to a pastry. I would never use either one of them to refer to the
other.


I think the mystery correspondent above was suggesting "crescent roll"
rather than just "crescent". (I tend to use croissant, mainly because it
hadn't _occurred_ to me that croissant might just be the French word for
crescent.)

But speaking of French names for foods, would you say "chicken with
wine" for what I would call "coq au vin"?


I'm not sure! I think it's determined to some extent (a) how familiar I
think the foreign phrase is, (b) whether I think the user is just using
what they're used to or is being pretentious, (c) whether the dish [or
whatever] has actually changed, or even been invented. ("Chicken tikka
Marsala" sounds like an authentic Indian dish, but is actually a British
invention, or so many say.)

As for "coq au vin" - I think this is well-enough known, even among
non-French-speakers, that it's fine to use it.

Would you say "pancake" for
what I would call a "crpe"?


I think the two have diverged, at least in UK (if they were ever the
same thing), with perhaps the latter being thinner/finer. As such, I'd
use whichever was appropriate.

"Chocolate pudding" for "mousse au
chocolat"?


I don't know what mousse au chocolat is; since chocolate pudding could
be lots of things, including a sponge cake, I'd not object to using
mousse to clarify. However, I'd probably say chocolate mousse, though.

"Fat duck liver" for "fois gras"? And so on.


Given that your English version gives more information, I'd prefer it.

And moving on to another country, "little strings with mariners sauce"
for "spaghetti marinara"?


I think spaghetti is sufficiently familiar as an English word by now
(though I must admit your little strings is rather appealing!). Marinara
requires _two_ levels of knowledge - first that it means mariner's, and
secondly what that means. "Spaghetti in a seafood sauce" I'd prefer!

"Pasta with beans" for "pasta e fagioli"?
And so on.


Yes, because I don't know "fagioli", and I suspect I'm not alone.

I could add more examples and more countries, but I think I've already
made my point. Many dishes are known by their names in the language of
their country of origin, rather than being translated into English.


I repeat: _if_ it's become well-enough known that the foreign phrase is
well-known, fine - or, if it's become changed. For example, most UK
people would know what is meant by spaghetti Bolognese, and it's shorter
to say and write than spaghetti in a meat and tomato sauce. (Also, I'm
not sure if British spag. bog. would be recognised by a native of
Bologna!) However, it may be that "e fagioli" is well-known in your part
of the world, for example.

Basically, if someone is using the foreign terms in company who all
understand them and to save time, fine; if they're using them to impress
and belittle, less so. Or (more on the part of the establishment,
especially on the menu) if the terms are used where there's a perfectly
common English equivalent, such as en croute for pie ...


Ever been frustrated that you can't *disagree* with a petition? If so, visit
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Old December 2nd 18, 04:37 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Mayayana wrote:
"Ken Blake" wrote


To me, the word "crescent" refers to a shape, and "croissant" refers
to a pastry. I would never use either one of them to refer to the
other.


They're the same basic baked good.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/croissant
"French, literally, crescent, from Middle French"

Crescent rolls:
https://www.allrecipes.com/recipe/70...rescent-rolls/

A crescent roll is the english for croissant. Just like naivety
is English for naivete. People think it's clever to use the foreign
word and then forget that we have our own word!

Either way, the greasy monstrosities sold at the likes
of Starbucks can't really lay claim to either name. Maybe
"Flaky pillow de la grease avec chocolat"?


Crescent roll is not the same thing as crescent. That's a (or the) key
difference. I expect most folks might equate a croissant to a crescent
roll, although even that may not be accurate. IOW, I'm not sure that a
(French) "croissant" is *equivalent* to a crescent roll in our country. :-)
But that might also depend on what shop you go to. But if you're eating in
downtown NYC, it might come close. :-)


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Old December 2nd 18, 02:05 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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"VanguardLH" schreef in bericht
...
Linea Recta wrote:

Is there any simple way to get rid of background image in Chrome, to make
text readable again? Preferabally without installing anything.

Often I can nearly read the text, until the crap image loads in the
background...


There are extensions to add a high-contrast mode to Chrome. Some will
add a reading mode (strips the web page except for the main article).
Google added their DOM distiller for a reader view mode but I'm not
familiar with it.



Sounds as what I need. I'll try to find it.
Hope it can overrule unwise colours of certain web sites.



A trick I learned long ago with you have page authors that are clearly
color blind/skewed or use horrible monitors with crappy color schemes is
to highlight the text that I want to read. It can sometimes help make
the text more legible.




Yes, using that trick already and it works sometimes. As long as they dom't
meddle with the marking colour...



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Old December 2nd 18, 03:50 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote

| To me, the word "crescent" refers to a shape, and "croissant" refers
| to a pastry. I would never use either one of them to refer to the
| other.
|
| I think the mystery correspondent above was suggesting "crescent roll"
| rather than just "crescent". (I tend to use croissant, mainly because it
| hadn't _occurred_ to me that croissant might just be the French word for
| crescent.)

Do you not see thread view in your reader? It
got a bit confusing because for some reason Ken
is posting his responses to me in posts responding
to you. Either he's filtering my posts or he's a bit
like a shy teenage girl, never speaking directly with
people to whom he hasn't been introduced. (I
suspect the real reason is because Ken is a strident
traditionalist, one of the old guard here who believes
in having a pecking order. While I'm, by nature,
an iconoclast. There's a natural tension between
the two types.)

|
| But speaking of French names for foods, would you say "chicken with
| wine" for what I would call "coq au vin"?
|
| I'm not sure! I think it's determined to some extent (a) how familiar I
| think the foreign phrase is, (b) whether I think the user is just using
| what they're used to or is being pretentious, (c) whether the dish [or
| whatever] has actually changed, or even been invented. ("Chicken tikka
| Marsala" sounds like an authentic Indian dish, but is actually a British
| invention, or so many say.)
|
And conversely, if any Mexicans are tacky enough
to make baked chicken with corn flakes, can they
call it "Pollo de Kellogg"* or do they have to pay their
dues and struggle to pronounce "chicken with corn
flakes", as closely as possible to the inflection that
would be typical in southern Indiana?


* In case you're not aware, we have a long tradition
in the US that involves factory food companies
putting recipes on their packaging, which Americans
then dutifully follow. Chicken with Kelloggs corn flakes
is a classic. Typically the recipe will avoid any non-
trademarked non-pseudo-foods and read something
like:

1/4 cup Crisco(R)
1 cup Miracle Whip(R)
1/2 cup Hershey's(R) Tiny Morsels(TM)
2 T I-Can't-Believe-It's-Not-Butter(R)
1 Betty Crocker(R) Soooo Chocolate(TM) cake mix

Mix all ingredients and distribute evenly into
the sections of two genuine Reynolds Aluminum(R)
Walt Disney(R) Frozen(TM) Movie Baking Mold(TM)
pans. Bake until no dough sticks to a Durkee(R)
Holiday Toothpick(TM). Serve at birthday parties
with Jubilee(R) Nutter Butter(TM) frozen dairy-like
product on genuine PaperKing(R) Plasti-Kote(TM)
paper plates.

[Disclaimer: Some of the above named products
may not be genuine, existing, trademarked foodstuffs
and no claims are made as to the suitability, or
lack of it, as regards any real product, in its
possible use, or lack of it, in the above described
fictional recipe.]


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Old December 2nd 18, 04:18 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Sat, 1 Dec 2018 20:37:16 -0700, "Bill in Co"
surly_curmudgeon@earthlink wrote:

Mayayana wrote:
"Ken Blake" wrote


To me, the word "crescent" refers to a shape, and "croissant" refers
to a pastry. I would never use either one of them to refer to the
other.


They're the same basic baked good.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/croissant
"French, literally, crescent, from Middle French"

Crescent rolls:
https://www.allrecipes.com/recipe/70...rescent-rolls/

A crescent roll is the english for croissant. Just like naivety
is English for naivete. People think it's clever to use the foreign
word and then forget that we have our own word!

Either way, the greasy monstrosities sold at the likes
of Starbucks can't really lay claim to either name. Maybe
"Flaky pillow de la grease avec chocolat"?


Crescent roll is not the same thing as crescent.



You took the words out of my mouth. I was just about to post that, but
you beat me to it.


That's a (or the) key
difference. I expect most folks might equate a croissant to a crescent
roll, although even that may not be accurate. IOW, I'm not sure that a
(French) "croissant" is *equivalent* to a crescent roll in our country. :-)
But that might also depend on what shop you go to.



Yes. I'm sure that in some places it is (or at least very close) and
in others it's not.


But if you're eating in
downtown NYC, it might come close. :-)

 




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