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  #46  
Old July 4th 19, 08:37 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Robert in CA
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On Wednesday, July 3, 2019 at 10:22:54 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:

The DVD-R's have arrived and now that we have the
other problem resolved we can go ahead.

I forgot exactly where we were on this so have
to re-read it.

I'll my monthly Mrimg and make a restore point now
that everything is working again.

Robert


Just remember you'll be installing on a *spare*
drive placed in the computer, to protect the *original*
or *good* drive.

If the COA sticker has a 25-character key on it
(five groups of five), you can install on the
spare while the spare is empty. And type in the key
when prompted.

You can clone the original drive to the spare drive,
for cases where the COA sticker doesn't have a license
key on it.

The MediaCreationTool1903 can take care of most of
your needs, and if you're patient, I think it
offers to burn the DVD near the end. You select the
option to "make media for another computer", to be
able to make a DVD.

The download prepared by the MediaCreationTool1903 is

3,967,483,904 bytes

( Win10 64bit mediacreation 1903 7OSes iso file )

The disc would include Windows 10 Home and Windows 10 Pro,
as well as five other versions. Windows 7 Pro can be
promoted to Windows 10 Pro, as to how the choices work.

You are preparing a DVD for this, because Windows 7 lacks
an ISO mounter of its own. On later OSes, you can instead
use a "mount" command to make a virtual DVD drive with the
install materials on it. But Win7 is a bit backward, and
doesn't have that feature.

You don't generally use third-party ISO mounters for that,
because they "confuse" DVD writer programs. I had one once
and had to remove it, because of that behavior.

HTH,
Paul


Just one question before we start,. does
the drive were going to be using have to
be formatted? I have spare formatted drives
for the 8500 and 780 and a spare un-formatted
drive that's never been out of the box which
is the one I was going to use for this.

However if it has to be formatted we would
have to clone it wouldn't we before starting
to get the Win 10 key?

Robert
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  #47  
Old July 4th 19, 09:04 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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Robert in CA wrote:

Just one question before we start,. does
the drive were going to be using have to
be formatted? I have spare formatted drives
for the 8500 and 780 and a spare un-formatted
drive that's never been out of the box which
is the one I was going to use for this.

However if it has to be formatted we would
have to clone it wouldn't we before starting
to get the Win 10 key?

Robert


If the XPS 8500 has a 25-character license key on it

VVVVV-WWWWW-XXXXX-YYYYY-ZZZZZ

you can start with a completely empty spare drive
and install to it.

When prompted for the key, type in the license key
(which is separated into five, five character chunks).

If the key is accepted, then carry on with the installation.

*******

The 780, I don't know if that will have a key on the COA.
The Refurbisher version of Windows 7 Pro, I don't really
know what amenities are included with that.

If there is no key, you can try cloning the original
drive, over top of the spare (thus erasing whatever
was on the spare). Then, you'll be starting with the
Win7 SP1 x64 that was on the 780, as your base.

When it asks for the key, you say "I don't have a key",
and continue with the install.

If later, it says it is activated, then the job is done
for that one.

*******

The XPS 8500 might be the easiest one to test.

Paul
  #48  
Old July 4th 19, 10:03 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Robert in CA
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On Thursday, July 4, 2019 at 1:04:51 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:

Just one question before we start,. does
the drive were going to be using have to
be formatted? I have spare formatted drives
for the 8500 and 780 and a spare un-formatted
drive that's never been out of the box which
is the one I was going to use for this.

However if it has to be formatted we would
have to clone it wouldn't we before starting
to get the Win 10 key?

Robert


If the XPS 8500 has a 25-character license key on it

VVVVV-WWWWW-XXXXX-YYYYY-ZZZZZ

you can start with a completely empty spare drive
and install to it.

When prompted for the key, type in the license key
(which is separated into five, five character chunks).

If the key is accepted, then carry on with the installation.

*******

The 780, I don't know if that will have a key on the COA.
The Refurbisher version of Windows 7 Pro, I don't really
know what amenities are included with that.

If there is no key, you can try cloning the original
drive, over top of the spare (thus erasing whatever
was on the spare). Then, you'll be starting with the
Win7 SP1 x64 that was on the 780, as your base.

When it asks for the key, you say "I don't have a key",
and continue with the install.

If later, it says it is activated, then the job is done
for that one.

*******

The XPS 8500 might be the easiest one to test.

Paul




The 8500 has a product key the 780 has one
but it written no longer valid and below that
is a GLF sticker with a product key.

Robert
  #49  
Old July 4th 19, 11:11 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Robert in CA
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On Thursday, July 4, 2019 at 2:03:41 AM UTC-7, Robert in CA wrote:
On Thursday, July 4, 2019 at 1:04:51 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:

Just one question before we start,. does
the drive were going to be using have to
be formatted? I have spare formatted drives
for the 8500 and 780 and a spare un-formatted
drive that's never been out of the box which
is the one I was going to use for this.

However if it has to be formatted we would
have to clone it wouldn't we before starting
to get the Win 10 key?

Robert


If the XPS 8500 has a 25-character license key on it

VVVVV-WWWWW-XXXXX-YYYYY-ZZZZZ

you can start with a completely empty spare drive
and install to it.

When prompted for the key, type in the license key
(which is separated into five, five character chunks).

If the key is accepted, then carry on with the installation.

*******

The 780, I don't know if that will have a key on the COA.
The Refurbisher version of Windows 7 Pro, I don't really
know what amenities are included with that.

If there is no key, you can try cloning the original
drive, over top of the spare (thus erasing whatever
was on the spare). Then, you'll be starting with the
Win7 SP1 x64 that was on the 780, as your base.

When it asks for the key, you say "I don't have a key",
and continue with the install.

If later, it says it is activated, then the job is done
for that one.

*******

The XPS 8500 might be the easiest one to test.

Paul




The 8500 has a product key the 780 has one
but it written no longer valid and below that
is a GLF sticker with a product key.

Robert


So we can disconnect the main HD and use the
secondary cable connections for the empty HD
and then use the license key from the 8500 to
install it and will follow your instructions
from there.

Whenever you wish to start,.... I'll install
the empty HD and disconnect the main HD etc.
btw,.. how long will this take?

Thanks
Robert
  #50  
Old July 4th 19, 11:17 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Robert in CA
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On Thursday, July 4, 2019 at 3:11:48 AM UTC-7, Robert in CA wrote:
On Thursday, July 4, 2019 at 2:03:41 AM UTC-7, Robert in CA wrote:
On Thursday, July 4, 2019 at 1:04:51 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:

Just one question before we start,. does
the drive were going to be using have to
be formatted? I have spare formatted drives
for the 8500 and 780 and a spare un-formatted
drive that's never been out of the box which
is the one I was going to use for this.

However if it has to be formatted we would
have to clone it wouldn't we before starting
to get the Win 10 key?

Robert

If the XPS 8500 has a 25-character license key on it

VVVVV-WWWWW-XXXXX-YYYYY-ZZZZZ

you can start with a completely empty spare drive
and install to it.

When prompted for the key, type in the license key
(which is separated into five, five character chunks).

If the key is accepted, then carry on with the installation.

*******

The 780, I don't know if that will have a key on the COA.
The Refurbisher version of Windows 7 Pro, I don't really
know what amenities are included with that.

If there is no key, you can try cloning the original
drive, over top of the spare (thus erasing whatever
was on the spare). Then, you'll be starting with the
Win7 SP1 x64 that was on the 780, as your base.

When it asks for the key, you say "I don't have a key",
and continue with the install.

If later, it says it is activated, then the job is done
for that one.

*******

The XPS 8500 might be the easiest one to test.

Paul




The 8500 has a product key the 780 has one
but it written no longer valid and below that
is a GLF sticker with a product key.

Robert


So we can disconnect the main HD and use the
secondary cable connections for the empty HD
and then use the license key from the 8500 to
install it and will follow your instructions
from there.

Whenever you wish to start,.... I'll install
the empty HD and disconnect the main HD etc.
btw,.. how long will this take?

Thanks
Robert




Just re-reading some of your earlier posts,..
and there's allot to this,.we better start from
the beginning on this and take it step by step.

Robert
  #51  
Old July 4th 19, 03:23 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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Robert in CA wrote:


Just re-reading some of your earlier posts,..
and there's allot to this,.we better start from
the beginning on this and take it step by step.

Robert


Go here and get the "MediaCreationTool1903.exe".

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...load/windows10

There's a download button, to get the stub downloader
that fetches the DVD for you.

https://i.postimg.cc/B62cj5Sp/Media-Creation-Tool.gif

It will likely want to run as Administrator.

Since you have two machines to do, it's better to
"create media for another computer" when asked.

It will create an ISO file (worth keeping).

It will also offer to burn the disc using
the Windows IMAPI2 interface.

It will offer that option only after the download is
complete. It isn't as up-front about that as it could be.

The burning would work if you have DVD+R or DVD-R
without a problem.

The Windows burner doesn't seem to know how to
format the rewriteable media types, which is
the only problem I've had with it.

Once you have the media, then you have materials
to work with.

It might take an hour or two for the download,
maybe 15 minutes for a burn and verify. Then
on the XPS 8500, you can try entering the key
when the installer prompts for it.

*******

Both of your machines are Windows 7 SP1 Pro x64 as
far as I know.

Control Panels : System can help verify that.

The download page will ask what you want, and you
want an x64 disc. I don't think any 32 bit OSes are
involved here. And when installing, if any selection
is offered, you match the Pro part, if you have
Pro or Professional.

Win7 Home Premium = Win10 Home
Win7 Professional = Win10 Pro
Win7 Ultimate = Win10 Pro

When running the DVD on the XPS 8500 with blank Spare
drive inside, the installer will take care of the
partitions. I usually use "Custom" when doing installs
and select whatever I had in mind, but the automation
in this case would be good enough. It should present
the only disk in the computer (the blank one) as a target.

It will summarize what it is about to do, before the
actual install starts. Early on, it may prompt for a
license key. That's your opportunity to enter one.

The copy-files stage of the install could take an hour,
while the multiple-reboots phase might take 15-20 minutes
or so. The version of Windows 10 now, puts more time into
the copy-files, and less time doing the install once all
the files are on the hard drive.

Note: You can prepare the DVD on either the 8500 or 780,
doesn't matter, because it doesn't know what your plan
is when "making media for another computer". As long
as the 780 and 8500 have a working DVD burner, either
machine would do for that step.

HTH,
Paul
  #52  
Old July 5th 19, 01:43 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Robert in CA
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On Thursday, July 4, 2019 at 7:24:08 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:


Just re-reading some of your earlier posts,..
and there's allot to this,.we better start from
the beginning on this and take it step by step.

Robert


Go here and get the "MediaCreationTool1903.exe".

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...load/windows10

There's a download button, to get the stub downloader
that fetches the DVD for you.

https://i.postimg.cc/B62cj5Sp/Media-Creation-Tool.gif

It will likely want to run as Administrator.

Since you have two machines to do, it's better to
"create media for another computer" when asked.

It will create an ISO file (worth keeping).

It will also offer to burn the disc using
the Windows IMAPI2 interface.

It will offer that option only after the download is
complete. It isn't as up-front about that as it could be.

The burning would work if you have DVD+R or DVD-R
without a problem.

The Windows burner doesn't seem to know how to
format the rewriteable media types, which is
the only problem I've had with it.

Once you have the media, then you have materials
to work with.

It might take an hour or two for the download,
maybe 15 minutes for a burn and verify. Then
on the XPS 8500, you can try entering the key
when the installer prompts for it.

*******

Both of your machines are Windows 7 SP1 Pro x64 as
far as I know.

Control Panels : System can help verify that.

The download page will ask what you want, and you
want an x64 disc. I don't think any 32 bit OSes are
involved here. And when installing, if any selection
is offered, you match the Pro part, if you have
Pro or Professional.

Win7 Home Premium = Win10 Home
Win7 Professional = Win10 Pro
Win7 Ultimate = Win10 Pro

When running the DVD on the XPS 8500 with blank Spare
drive inside, the installer will take care of the
partitions. I usually use "Custom" when doing installs
and select whatever I had in mind, but the automation
in this case would be good enough. It should present
the only disk in the computer (the blank one) as a target.

It will summarize what it is about to do, before the
actual install starts. Early on, it may prompt for a
license key. That's your opportunity to enter one.

The copy-files stage of the install could take an hour,
while the multiple-reboots phase might take 15-20 minutes
or so. The version of Windows 10 now, puts more time into
the copy-files, and less time doing the install once all
the files are on the hard drive.

Note: You can prepare the DVD on either the 8500 or 780,
doesn't matter, because it doesn't know what your plan
is when "making media for another computer". As long
as the 780 and 8500 have a working DVD burner, either
machine would do for that step.

HTH,
Paul



It might take an hour or two for the download,
maybe 15 minutes for a burn and verify. Then
on the XPS 8500, you can try entering the key
when the installer prompts for it.

I'm not following this now am I installing Windows10
on my 8500 after I burn the DVD-R by entering the
product key? At what point am I installing the blank
drive and disconnecting the main HD? I started the
process up to this point:

http://i68.tinypic.com/2vt5vrt.jpg

http://i64.tinypic.com/168xzb5.jpg

In passing, the DVD-R's look like miniature movie
reels and have an area already provided for labeling
on the disc (although we don't do that).

Robert
  #53  
Old July 5th 19, 03:16 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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Robert in CA wrote:
On Thursday, July 4, 2019 at 7:24:08 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:

Just re-reading some of your earlier posts,..
and there's allot to this,.we better start from
the beginning on this and take it step by step.

Robert

Go here and get the "MediaCreationTool1903.exe".

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...load/windows10

There's a download button, to get the stub downloader
that fetches the DVD for you.

https://i.postimg.cc/B62cj5Sp/Media-Creation-Tool.gif

It will likely want to run as Administrator.

Since you have two machines to do, it's better to
"create media for another computer" when asked.

It will create an ISO file (worth keeping).

It will also offer to burn the disc using
the Windows IMAPI2 interface.

It will offer that option only after the download is
complete. It isn't as up-front about that as it could be.

The burning would work if you have DVD+R or DVD-R
without a problem.

The Windows burner doesn't seem to know how to
format the rewriteable media types, which is
the only problem I've had with it.

Once you have the media, then you have materials
to work with.

It might take an hour or two for the download,
maybe 15 minutes for a burn and verify. Then
on the XPS 8500, you can try entering the key
when the installer prompts for it.

*******

Both of your machines are Windows 7 SP1 Pro x64 as
far as I know.

Control Panels : System can help verify that.

The download page will ask what you want, and you
want an x64 disc. I don't think any 32 bit OSes are
involved here. And when installing, if any selection
is offered, you match the Pro part, if you have
Pro or Professional.

Win7 Home Premium = Win10 Home
Win7 Professional = Win10 Pro
Win7 Ultimate = Win10 Pro

When running the DVD on the XPS 8500 with blank Spare
drive inside, the installer will take care of the
partitions. I usually use "Custom" when doing installs
and select whatever I had in mind, but the automation
in this case would be good enough. It should present
the only disk in the computer (the blank one) as a target.

It will summarize what it is about to do, before the
actual install starts. Early on, it may prompt for a
license key. That's your opportunity to enter one.

The copy-files stage of the install could take an hour,
while the multiple-reboots phase might take 15-20 minutes
or so. The version of Windows 10 now, puts more time into
the copy-files, and less time doing the install once all
the files are on the hard drive.

Note: You can prepare the DVD on either the 8500 or 780,
doesn't matter, because it doesn't know what your plan
is when "making media for another computer". As long
as the 780 and 8500 have a working DVD burner, either
machine would do for that step.

HTH,
Paul



It might take an hour or two for the download,
maybe 15 minutes for a burn and verify. Then
on the XPS 8500, you can try entering the key
when the installer prompts for it.

I'm not following this now am I installing Windows10
on my 8500 after I burn the DVD-R by entering the
product key? At what point am I installing the blank
drive and disconnecting the main HD? I started the
process up to this point:

http://i68.tinypic.com/2vt5vrt.jpg

http://i64.tinypic.com/168xzb5.jpg

In passing, the DVD-R's look like miniature movie
reels and have an area already provided for labeling
on the disc (although we don't do that).

Robert


You have two computers.

You can do the steps out of order.

The logical order would be:

1) Download MediaCreationTool1903.exe
2) Execute MediaCreationTool1903.exe
3) "Prepare media for another computer".
4) It'll download 3.5GB of stuff for the ISO file.
5) Have it burn the DVD-R when the download step is finished.
6) Place Spare drive in 8500, remove original drive.
7) Boot the DVD-R.
8) Do a Clean Install on the empty Spare drive.
9) A couple of screens into the install process, it
will ask for a license key.
10) Enter the key.
11) Finish the install of Windows 10.
12) Verify it is activated.
13) Put original drive back in the 8500.

HTH,
Paul
  #54  
Old July 5th 19, 05:00 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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In message , Paul
writes:
[]
You have two computers.


Both with an authorised/activated/whatever Windows 7 on them.

You can do the steps out of order.

The logical order would be:

1) Download MediaCreationTool1903.exe
2) Execute MediaCreationTool1903.exe
3) "Prepare media for another computer".
4) It'll download 3.5GB of stuff for the ISO file.
5) Have it burn the DVD-R when the download step is finished.
6) Place Spare drive in 8500, remove original drive.


At that point, the 8500 contains no trace of Windows 7 ...

7) Boot the DVD-R.
8) Do a Clean Install on the empty Spare drive.
9) A couple of screens into the install process, it
will ask for a license key.
10) Enter the key.
11) Finish the install of Windows 10.
12) Verify it is activated.


.... so how does the Microsoft server know that it had a whatevered 7?

13) Put original drive back in the 8500.


Then presumably repeat 6-13 for his other (7xx?) computer?

HTH,
Paul

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  #55  
Old July 5th 19, 05:10 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Paul
writes:
[]
You have two computers.


Both with an authorised/activated/whatever Windows 7 on them.

You can do the steps out of order.

The logical order would be:

1) Download MediaCreationTool1903.exe
2) Execute MediaCreationTool1903.exe
3) "Prepare media for another computer".
4) It'll download 3.5GB of stuff for the ISO file.
5) Have it burn the DVD-R when the download step is finished.
6) Place Spare drive in 8500, remove original drive.


At that point, the 8500 contains no trace of Windows 7 ...

7) Boot the DVD-R.
8) Do a Clean Install on the empty Spare drive.
9) A couple of screens into the install process, it
will ask for a license key.
10) Enter the key.
11) Finish the install of Windows 10.
12) Verify it is activated.


... so how does the Microsoft server know that it had a whatevered 7?

13) Put original drive back in the 8500.


Then presumably repeat 6-13 for his other (7xx?) computer?

HTH,
Paul


AFAIK, you should be able to do a clean install and present
a key and get your Digital Entitlement that way.

The alternative method, is to start with a clone of
your Windows 7 SP1 (which has a key internally), install
Windows 10 over top of this clone, and it should
get the Digital Entitlement that way.

And you don't have to give an email address or create
an MSA. In the lower bar, is an option to skip using
an MSA and use a "local account". And that's definitely
good enough for this exercise. It's better to use
a "local account" during an install, get the desired
home directory name, rather than the crusty "automatically
generated" account name that ****es people off. You can
add an MSA later and it should keep the original account name.

Since this is going to be a throw away install, the details
don't much matter. Some things can be learned during the
install, such as the stupid questions the installer will
ask, that "great" interface with the sliders, where
a couple of sliders, you need to scroll to see them,
all of that high comedy stuff. So later, when you're installing
Windows 10 for real, you have some experience at the
install process.

Cortana doesn't seem to talk to me any more during installs.
At one time, it managed to find the audio driver and it
would start talking (until you switched it off), but
a number of installs I've tried, there didn't seem to be
an audio driver loaded when it was time for Cortana to
talk. Which was a relief.

Paul
  #56  
Old July 5th 19, 11:58 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Robert in CA
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On Thursday, July 4, 2019 at 7:16:15 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
On Thursday, July 4, 2019 at 7:24:08 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:

Just re-reading some of your earlier posts,..
and there's allot to this,.we better start from
the beginning on this and take it step by step.

Robert
Go here and get the "MediaCreationTool1903.exe".

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...load/windows10

There's a download button, to get the stub downloader
that fetches the DVD for you.

https://i.postimg.cc/B62cj5Sp/Media-Creation-Tool.gif

It will likely want to run as Administrator.

Since you have two machines to do, it's better to
"create media for another computer" when asked.

It will create an ISO file (worth keeping).

It will also offer to burn the disc using
the Windows IMAPI2 interface.

It will offer that option only after the download is
complete. It isn't as up-front about that as it could be.

The burning would work if you have DVD+R or DVD-R
without a problem.

The Windows burner doesn't seem to know how to
format the rewriteable media types, which is
the only problem I've had with it.

Once you have the media, then you have materials
to work with.

It might take an hour or two for the download,
maybe 15 minutes for a burn and verify. Then
on the XPS 8500, you can try entering the key
when the installer prompts for it.

*******

Both of your machines are Windows 7 SP1 Pro x64 as
far as I know.

Control Panels : System can help verify that.

The download page will ask what you want, and you
want an x64 disc. I don't think any 32 bit OSes are
involved here. And when installing, if any selection
is offered, you match the Pro part, if you have
Pro or Professional.

Win7 Home Premium = Win10 Home
Win7 Professional = Win10 Pro
Win7 Ultimate = Win10 Pro

When running the DVD on the XPS 8500 with blank Spare
drive inside, the installer will take care of the
partitions. I usually use "Custom" when doing installs
and select whatever I had in mind, but the automation
in this case would be good enough. It should present
the only disk in the computer (the blank one) as a target.

It will summarize what it is about to do, before the
actual install starts. Early on, it may prompt for a
license key. That's your opportunity to enter one.

The copy-files stage of the install could take an hour,
while the multiple-reboots phase might take 15-20 minutes
or so. The version of Windows 10 now, puts more time into
the copy-files, and less time doing the install once all
the files are on the hard drive.

Note: You can prepare the DVD on either the 8500 or 780,
doesn't matter, because it doesn't know what your plan
is when "making media for another computer". As long
as the 780 and 8500 have a working DVD burner, either
machine would do for that step.

HTH,
Paul



It might take an hour or two for the download,
maybe 15 minutes for a burn and verify. Then
on the XPS 8500, you can try entering the key
when the installer prompts for it.

I'm not following this now am I installing Windows10
on my 8500 after I burn the DVD-R by entering the
product key? At what point am I installing the blank
drive and disconnecting the main HD? I started the
process up to this point:

http://i68.tinypic.com/2vt5vrt.jpg

http://i64.tinypic.com/168xzb5.jpg

In passing, the DVD-R's look like miniature movie
reels and have an area already provided for labeling
on the disc (although we don't do that).

Robert


You have two computers.

You can do the steps out of order.

The logical order would be:

1) Download MediaCreationTool1903.exe
2) Execute MediaCreationTool1903.exe
3) "Prepare media for another computer".
4) It'll download 3.5GB of stuff for the ISO file.
5) Have it burn the DVD-R when the download step is finished.
6) Place Spare drive in 8500, remove original drive.
7) Boot the DVD-R.
8) Do a Clean Install on the empty Spare drive.
9) A couple of screens into the install process, it
will ask for a license key.
10) Enter the key.
11) Finish the install of Windows 10.
12) Verify it is activated.
13) Put original drive back in the 8500.

HTH,
Paul


I tried running the media creation tool:

http://i68.tinypic.com/f0dweb.jpg

http://i68.tinypic.com/256y7hl.jpg

http://i68.tinypic.com/nlzhhl.jpg

http://i64.tinypic.com/33090cl.jpg

http://i66.tinypic.com/2eqdnaf.jpg

In passing here's the DVD-R, that
looks like the old style reel to
reel's. Pretty cool looking I think.

http://i65.tinypic.com/23vchsj.jpg


Robert
  #57  
Old July 5th 19, 04:03 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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Posts: 11,873
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Robert in CA wrote:
On Thursday, July 4, 2019 at 7:16:15 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:


1) Download MediaCreationTool1903.exe
2) Execute MediaCreationTool1903.exe
3) "Prepare media for another computer".
4) It'll download 3.5GB of stuff for the ISO file.
5) Have it burn the DVD-R when the download step is finished.
6) Place Spare drive in 8500, remove original drive.
7) Boot the DVD-R.
8) Do a Clean Install on the empty Spare drive.
9) A couple of screens into the install process, it
will ask for a license key.
10) Enter the key.
11) Finish the install of Windows 10.
12) Verify it is activated.
13) Put original drive back in the 8500.


I tried running the media creation tool:

http://i68.tinypic.com/f0dweb.jpg "Create installation media..."

http://i68.tinypic.com/256y7hl.jpg (Language selection etc)

http://i68.tinypic.com/nlzhhl.jpg ISO file choice

http://i64.tinypic.com/33090cl.jpg (windows.iso in Documents folder)

http://i66.tinypic.com/2eqdnaf.jpg Errroor 0x8007139F - 0x90019

In passing here's the DVD-R, that
looks like the old style reel to
reel's. Pretty cool looking I think.

http://i65.tinypic.com/23vchsj.jpg

Robert


¡Ay, caramba! (denotes pain or surprise)

I do hope you've logged in using your Administrator account.

That's not what the error ( "0x8007139F - 0x90019" ) says by the way.

I can't find that error.

*******

We'll need help from the logfiles. These two files
can be dropped onto an open copy of Notepad.

https://www.winhelponline.com/blog/m...0072f76-20017/

C:\EWindows.~WS\Sources\Panther

setuperr.log

setupact.log

You can see a representation here, if my output
from MediaCreationTool1903.exe . I shut down this
VM while the Win10 ISO was downloading, to "simulate an error".

https://i.postimg.cc/9M43zQRp/logfiles-in-Notepad.gif

The logfiles really aren't that helpful, unless
by accident they blurt out the actual error!

Try to collect any information you can get from
there, that you feel is relevant.

You don't have to do a new run yet - just have
a look at the files first, before they're overwritten.

Paul






  #58  
Old July 6th 19, 12:38 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Robert in CA
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Posts: 785
Default Win7 support:

On Friday, July 5, 2019 at 8:03:57 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
On Thursday, July 4, 2019 at 7:16:15 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:


1) Download MediaCreationTool1903.exe
2) Execute MediaCreationTool1903.exe
3) "Prepare media for another computer".
4) It'll download 3.5GB of stuff for the ISO file.
5) Have it burn the DVD-R when the download step is finished.
6) Place Spare drive in 8500, remove original drive.
7) Boot the DVD-R.
8) Do a Clean Install on the empty Spare drive.
9) A couple of screens into the install process, it
will ask for a license key.
10) Enter the key.
11) Finish the install of Windows 10.
12) Verify it is activated.
13) Put original drive back in the 8500.


I tried running the media creation tool:

http://i68.tinypic.com/f0dweb.jpg "Create installation media..."

http://i68.tinypic.com/256y7hl.jpg (Language selection etc)

http://i68.tinypic.com/nlzhhl.jpg ISO file choice

http://i64.tinypic.com/33090cl.jpg (windows.iso in Documents folder)

http://i66.tinypic.com/2eqdnaf.jpg Errroor 0x8007139F - 0x90019

In passing here's the DVD-R, that
looks like the old style reel to
reel's. Pretty cool looking I think.

http://i65.tinypic.com/23vchsj.jpg

Robert


¡Ay, caramba! (denotes pain or surprise)

I do hope you've logged in using your Administrator account.

That's not what the error ( "0x8007139F - 0x90019" ) says by the way.

I can't find that error.

*******

We'll need help from the logfiles. These two files
can be dropped onto an open copy of Notepad.

https://www.winhelponline.com/blog/m...0072f76-20017/

C:\EWindows.~WS\Sources\Panther

setuperr.log

setupact.log

You can see a representation here, if my output
from MediaCreationTool1903.exe . I shut down this
VM while the Win10 ISO was downloading, to "simulate an error".

https://i.postimg.cc/9M43zQRp/logfiles-in-Notepad.gif

The logfiles really aren't that helpful, unless
by accident they blurt out the actual error!

Try to collect any information you can get from
there, that you feel is relevant.

You don't have to do a new run yet - just have
a look at the files first, before they're overwritten.

Paul


Yes, I was logged in as Administrator. I tried it once
but got to a point where it said it required administrator
account. So I switched users and logged in as Administrator.

I'm not sure what you want me to do
at this point? I went to the link
provided but am confused what I am
suppose to do? Do I run Win 10 update
repair tool and then download it?

I have no idea what would be relevant even if I saw it.

Robert
  #59  
Old July 6th 19, 02:00 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Robert in CA
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Posts: 785
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On Friday, July 5, 2019 at 4:38:49 PM UTC-7, Robert in CA wrote:
On Friday, July 5, 2019 at 8:03:57 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
On Thursday, July 4, 2019 at 7:16:15 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:


1) Download MediaCreationTool1903.exe
2) Execute MediaCreationTool1903.exe
3) "Prepare media for another computer".
4) It'll download 3.5GB of stuff for the ISO file.
5) Have it burn the DVD-R when the download step is finished.
6) Place Spare drive in 8500, remove original drive.
7) Boot the DVD-R.
8) Do a Clean Install on the empty Spare drive.
9) A couple of screens into the install process, it
will ask for a license key.
10) Enter the key.
11) Finish the install of Windows 10.
12) Verify it is activated.
13) Put original drive back in the 8500.


I tried running the media creation tool:

http://i68.tinypic.com/f0dweb.jpg "Create installation media..."

http://i68.tinypic.com/256y7hl.jpg (Language selection etc)

http://i68.tinypic.com/nlzhhl.jpg ISO file choice

http://i64.tinypic.com/33090cl.jpg (windows.iso in Documents folder)

http://i66.tinypic.com/2eqdnaf.jpg Errroor 0x8007139F - 0x90019

In passing here's the DVD-R, that
looks like the old style reel to
reel's. Pretty cool looking I think.

http://i65.tinypic.com/23vchsj.jpg

Robert


¡Ay, caramba! (denotes pain or surprise)

I do hope you've logged in using your Administrator account.

That's not what the error ( "0x8007139F - 0x90019" ) says by the way.

I can't find that error.

*******

We'll need help from the logfiles. These two files
can be dropped onto an open copy of Notepad.

https://www.winhelponline.com/blog/m...0072f76-20017/

C:\EWindows.~WS\Sources\Panther

setuperr.log

setupact.log

You can see a representation here, if my output
from MediaCreationTool1903.exe . I shut down this
VM while the Win10 ISO was downloading, to "simulate an error".

https://i.postimg.cc/9M43zQRp/logfiles-in-Notepad.gif

The logfiles really aren't that helpful, unless
by accident they blurt out the actual error!

Try to collect any information you can get from
there, that you feel is relevant.

You don't have to do a new run yet - just have
a look at the files first, before they're overwritten.

Paul


Yes, I was logged in as Administrator. I tried it once
but got to a point where it said it required administrator
account. So I switched users and logged in as Administrator.

I'm not sure what you want me to do
at this point? I went to the link
provided but am confused what I am
suppose to do? Do I run Win 10 update
repair tool and then download it?

I have no idea what would be relevant even if I saw it.

Robert




In passing I ran a Smart scan on the 780
recently and it said that my Firefox was
out of date along with other programs.So
I went into FirefoxhelpAbout Firefox
and updated it but then it asked me to
provide a password to keep it in sync. I
didn't know what that was so backed out.
However I got two messages on the 8500
that the Firefox password had changed.

How can that be? I didn't touch the 8500.
and the 780 doesn't seem different and I
didn't know what programs were outdated
as it didn't specify.

Robert
  #60  
Old July 6th 19, 04:39 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul[_32_]
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Posts: 11,873
Default Win7 support:

Robert in CA wrote:
On Friday, July 5, 2019 at 4:38:49 PM UTC-7, Robert in CA wrote:
On Friday, July 5, 2019 at 8:03:57 AM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
Robert in CA wrote:
On Thursday, July 4, 2019 at 7:16:15 PM UTC-7, Paul wrote:
1) Download MediaCreationTool1903.exe
2) Execute MediaCreationTool1903.exe
3) "Prepare media for another computer".
4) It'll download 3.5GB of stuff for the ISO file.
5) Have it burn the DVD-R when the download step is finished.
6) Place Spare drive in 8500, remove original drive.
7) Boot the DVD-R.
8) Do a Clean Install on the empty Spare drive.
9) A couple of screens into the install process, it
will ask for a license key.
10) Enter the key.
11) Finish the install of Windows 10.
12) Verify it is activated.
13) Put original drive back in the 8500.

I tried running the media creation tool:

http://i68.tinypic.com/f0dweb.jpg "Create installation media..."

http://i68.tinypic.com/256y7hl.jpg (Language selection etc)

http://i68.tinypic.com/nlzhhl.jpg ISO file choice

http://i64.tinypic.com/33090cl.jpg (windows.iso in Documents folder)

http://i66.tinypic.com/2eqdnaf.jpg Errroor 0x8007139F - 0x90019

In passing here's the DVD-R, that
looks like the old style reel to
reel's. Pretty cool looking I think.

http://i65.tinypic.com/23vchsj.jpg

Robert
¡Ay, caramba! (denotes pain or surprise)

I do hope you've logged in using your Administrator account.

That's not what the error ( "0x8007139F - 0x90019" ) says by the way.

I can't find that error.

*******

We'll need help from the logfiles. These two files
can be dropped onto an open copy of Notepad.

https://www.winhelponline.com/blog/m...0072f76-20017/

C:\EWindows.~WS\Sources\Panther

setuperr.log

setupact.log

You can see a representation here, if my output
from MediaCreationTool1903.exe . I shut down this
VM while the Win10 ISO was downloading, to "simulate an error".

https://i.postimg.cc/9M43zQRp/logfiles-in-Notepad.gif

The logfiles really aren't that helpful, unless
by accident they blurt out the actual error!

Try to collect any information you can get from
there, that you feel is relevant.

You don't have to do a new run yet - just have
a look at the files first, before they're overwritten.

Paul

Yes, I was logged in as Administrator. I tried it once
but got to a point where it said it required administrator
account. So I switched users and logged in as Administrator.

I'm not sure what you want me to do
at this point? I went to the link
provided but am confused what I am
suppose to do? Do I run Win 10 update
repair tool and then download it?

I have no idea what would be relevant even if I saw it.

Robert




In passing I ran a Smart scan on the 780
recently and it said that my Firefox was
out of date along with other programs.So
I went into FirefoxhelpAbout Firefox
and updated it but then it asked me to
provide a password to keep it in sync. I
didn't know what that was so backed out.
However I got two messages on the 8500
that the Firefox password had changed.

How can that be? I didn't touch the 8500.
and the 780 doesn't seem different and I
didn't know what programs were outdated
as it didn't specify.

Robert


You've got me beat on the Firefox. Here is some text.

"When using Sync, your Firefox Accounts login is
stored with your saved passwords in the password manager.

Your master password must be entered so Sync can
access your Firefox Accounts login. Once the
master password has been entered, Sync can also
access your other saved passwords and sync them
between your devices."

You appear to be passing passwords between the two
computers by using some sort of storage on the Mozilla site.

I *never* follow any prompts presented in Firefox. Sales
pitches are totally ineffective on me.

*******

As for the situation on our little Win10 Digital Entitlement
goes, Google is giving me no help at all.

I could come up with a means to get the "too large" version
of Windows 10, but then that needs dual layer media. And not
even *I* will stoop to such stupidity. If Windows 10 required
me to buy dual-layer media, Windows 10 would not be in my
computer room... It's that simple.

I noticed something else while analyzing the situation:

11 OS version (too big)

Win10_1903_V1_English_x64.iso 4,939,528,192 bytes (needs dual layer DVD)

install.wim inside... === everyone gets the same file
The DVD can be obtained using a Torrent.

SHA256: 9846DFBDD7C39EB8D025E0F28E180C6F4084ECF87ECD11805C D19C205F7A3B4E

And using that checksum, I could get a torrent with that on it.
Except it's unfit for the DVDs in hand!

The MediaCreationTool1903 version:

7 OS version (fits a single layer DVD)

Win10-64bit-mediacreation-1903-7OSes.iso 3,967,483,904 bytes

install.esd inside... === everyone gets a *different* file.
Computing a SHA256 is useless.

There is *no way* to validate a torrented version as
being authentic. Shades of Windows 8 nightmares.

The ESD doesn't appear to be encrypted, but some strings
inside the file are probably generated on-the-fly by the
preparation tool. This means there is no way to prove the
authenticity.

*******

I can find *no* authoritative error code listing.

0x8007139F - 0x90019

That could be related to Windows Update. But the second
number is important too. What error is that ?

Only the two log files might give us a hint now.

*******

Why have these people *insisted* on turning something
simple, into an "IT project" ????

"Here, let's take something simple and make it
complicated. Heh heh heh."

Maybe it's a filter to make sure that only IT experts
get a copy of Windows 10 ?

I have a recipe to turn the 11 OS version into a 1 OS version,
which fits on a DVD. Again, it was never my intention to
"torture you" with one of my recipes. This was supposed
to be a simple project.

*******

What we *can* do, is fetch a *stale* copy of Windows 10,
and you can use that for install. Now, how pleasant is that ?

DVD+R 4,700,372,992 bytes \___ capacity of your media
DVD-R 4,700,000,000 bytes /

Most likely Heidoc values on size.

These are the sizes of files with consistent checksums.

1903 x64 4,939,528,192 bytes
1809 x64 5,075,539,968 bytes (last version) 11 OS version
3,849,388,032 bytes (first version) 7 OS version
1803 x64 4,692,365,312 bytes You can see how close to the limit this is!!!
1709 x64 4,697,362,432 bytes
1703 x64 4,334,315,520 bytes
1511 x64 4,017,000,448 bytes

Using your web browser, load the *First* link here, which is
for the x64 version of release 1809. The download should
be 3,849,388,032 bytes. I generated this link using the Heidoc
URL generator.

https://software-download.microsoft....b2 07c49fa8d4

https://software-download.microsoft....cd 74bf365234

Link valid for 24 hours
Link expires 7/7/2019 3:25:08AM UTC

There's no guarantee this is going to work, so
it could be a waste of a DVD and of your bandwidth.

It's either this, or analyze logfiles...

Paul
 




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