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In message , Char Jackson
writes: On Thu, 10 Oct 2019 23:27:12 -0400, GS wrote: On Thu, 10 Oct 2019 18:52:47 -0400, GS wrote: [] I just drag-n-drop to arrange things how I want them ordered; - seems that WE remembers the positions because any time I reopen it the positions persist as I ordered them. IOW, the tree is CUSTOM ORDERED instead of sorted by any default means (NOTE: the default sort persists within the custom ordering of the tree nodes). I just checked Windows Explorer in 10, 8.1, 7, and XP. None of them allowed me to drag any of the entries in the left pane. Do you have any custom software installed, or anything you might have done to enable dragging in the left pane of WE? I must be missing something obvious, which wouldn't be the first time. Ok, I just verified that my experience has been with (and only applies to) the Child nodes under the *Favorites* node. Anywhere else I want nodes to appear at the topmost position under a parent node I use the underscore character which, by default, also follows normal sort order according to the 1st character after the underscore. I apologize for causing any misleads! No problem. Thanks for clarifying! I've never found a use for the Favorites feature so mine is empty. Thus, no dragging for me in there. I'm probably the only one who was a bit confused. You weren't the only one! I (OP) was confused too; any attempt I made to drag things in the left pane just looked as if they were going to cause the dragged folder to become a subfolder of one of the others (not helped by the "helpful" tendency of Explorer [and other things] to expand things, after a few seconds [usually just at the moment when I drop what I'm dragging, so I have no idea where it dropped]. I've asked before if anyone knows how to STOP it doing that, with no result). I didn't say anything as I have Classic Shell, and wasn't sure if that was influencing things; glad to hear it wasn't. "Favorites" I've always assumed was just Internet-Explorer-speak for bookmarks, as it once indeed was (and may still be); as such, I hadn't even looked at it for ages (possibly years). To my surprise I don't actually _have_ such a folder under C:\ or C:\Windows; I had one under C:\ProgramData, but system told me I couldn't get at that. Ah, I must have moved it at some time - I have it under D:\ (that's the one with the star icon I was expecting); that does indeed seem to still be IE's bookmarks (I'm on W7HP32). And I can't change the order of folders in the left pane for that, either. [As I said, not that I want to; I just wondered if one could.] -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf "There are a great many people in the country today who, through no fault of their own, are sane." - Monty Python's Flying Circus |
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"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote:
[...] "Favorites" I've always assumed was just Internet-Explorer-speak for bookmarks, as it once indeed was (and may still be); as such, I hadn't even looked at it for ages (possibly years). To my surprise I don't actually _have_ such a folder under C:\ or C:\Windows; I had one under C:\ProgramData, but system told me I couldn't get at that. Ah, I must have moved it at some time - I have it under D:\ (that's the one with the star icon I was expecting); that does indeed seem to still be IE's bookmarks (I'm on W7HP32). If your D:\ is also known as \Users\you or/and just you, then "Favorites" is in the right location, because it's user-specific, not system-wide. And BTW, it's of course "Favourites"! Don't you know your own language!? :-) |
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In message , Mayayana
writes: "J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote | However, the sorting in the _left_ pane, where the tree structure is | shown, seems to be (increasing) name order only. | | Anyone know if it can be changed? | Isn't that what desktops and shortcuts are for? I said, in the bit that you've snipped, that I neither needed nor wanted to change the order in the left pane; I just wondered if you _could_. It was just an idle wonder. I've never used the Folders Explorer Bar. I find it too tedious to deal with all those tiny nodes. On XP and Win7-32 I have a custom Explorer Bar with links to folders within folder windows. On my desktop I have shortcuts to all drives and several commonly used folders. I think we may also be talking about different things; I was talking about the left pane in a normal Explorer window. I'm not sure what the "Folders Explorer _Bar_" is, but I don't think it's what I was talking about. I also have whatever I'm currently working on spread out on the desktop. I use it just like a solid desktop, taking out the various "papers" I need for a project and then putting them away when I'm done. So it's rare that I need more than 2-3 clicks to get to where I want to be. Best of all, it's intuitive, custom design. The places I go most are the Each to his own; I rarely use the desktop at all to store files (partly I've seen too many people, when I was at work, who _left_ files all over their desktop [I know that's not what you're doing - you said you "put them away" when you're done], and partly because I know it's really a folder on C:, which I try not to keep _my_ files on). easiest to get to. The Folders Explorer Bar is just a generic list of everything. (See above re "Bar".) 3 -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf "There are a great many people in the country today who, through no fault of their own, are sane." - Monty Python's Flying Circus |
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In message , Frank Slootweg
writes: "J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote: [...] "Favorites" I've always assumed was just Internet-Explorer-speak for bookmarks, as it once indeed was (and may still be); as such, I hadn't even looked at it for ages (possibly years). To my surprise I don't actually _have_ such a folder under C:\ or C:\Windows; I had one under C:\ProgramData, but system told me I couldn't get at that. Ah, I must have moved it at some time - I have it under D:\ (that's the one with the star icon I was expecting); that does indeed seem to still be IE's bookmarks (I'm on W7HP32). If your D:\ is also known as \Users\you or/and just you, then "Favorites" is in the right location, because it's user-specific, not system-wide. As I said, I'd probably moved it (I think the default is C:\Users\me). But long enough ago that I'd forgotten I'd done so. And BTW, it's of course "Favourites"! Don't you know your own language!? :-) I do indeed! Microsoft don't, though. (Even though I have UK set in various places.) -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Mike Jackson |\ _,,,---,,_ and Squeak /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ Shame there's no snooze button [1998] |,4- ) )-,_..;\ ( `'- on a cat who wants breakfast zzz '---''(_/--' `-'\_) |
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J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote:
In message , Frank Slootweg writes: "J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote: [...] "Favorites" I've always assumed was just Internet-Explorer-speak for bookmarks, as it once indeed was (and may still be); as such, I hadn't even looked at it for ages (possibly years). To my surprise I don't actually _have_ such a folder under C:\ or C:\Windows; I had one under C:\ProgramData, but system told me I couldn't get at that. Ah, I must have moved it at some time - I have it under D:\ (that's the one with the star icon I was expecting); that does indeed seem to still be IE's bookmarks (I'm on W7HP32). If your D:\ is also known as \Users\you or/and just you, then "Favorites" is in the right location, because it's user-specific, not system-wide. As I said, I'd probably moved it (I think the default is C:\Users\me). But long enough ago that I'd forgotten I'd done so. The default is \Users\me, which nearly always is on C:, but can be changed/moved to another drive, so that's why I asked. And BTW, it's of course "Favourites"! Don't you know your own language!? :-) I do indeed! Microsoft don't, though. (Even though I have UK set in various places.) Well, my Windows version is UK English and does say 'Favourites'. BTW, the relevant setting is the 'Windows display language' [1]. The 'Keyboard layout' is irrelevant (for this issue) and can be different (mine is/are 'US' and 'United States-International'). 'Date and time formats' and 'Location' are yet other irrelevant settings. [1] (On Windows 8.1) Control Panel - Clock, Language and Region - Language - Advanced settings - Override for Windows display language .... - selection box. My selection box has 'Use language list (recommended)' (which is the current setting) and 'English (United Kingdom)'). So my 'Windows display language' is 'English (United Kingdom)', which was probably the only English language pack included in the Windows software which came with my laptop. Note that you can *add* [2] (Windows display language) language packs, but there is a default one set at installation time. [2] (On Windows 8.1) Control Panel - Clock, Language and Region - Language - Add a language. And then later - 'Windows display language: Available for download' - Options - 'A language pack for ... is available for download' - 'Download and install language pack'. |
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In message , Frank Slootweg
writes: J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote: In message , Frank Slootweg writes: [] And BTW, it's of course "Favourites"! Don't you know your own language!? :-) I do indeed! Microsoft don't, though. (Even though I have UK set in various places.) Well, my Windows version is UK English and does say 'Favourites'. Interesting! BTW, the relevant setting is the 'Windows display language' [1]. The 'Keyboard layout' is irrelevant (for this issue) and can be different (mine is/are 'US' and 'United States-International'). 'Date and time formats' and 'Location' are yet other irrelevant settings. I know keyboard layout, clock, and display language are three different things. (My clock etc. are custom, as I use ISO, or a variation thereof.) I have UK keyboard. [1] (On Windows 8.1) Control Panel - Clock, Language and Region - Language - Advanced settings - Override for Windows display language ... - selection box. On 7, it's apparently Control Panel - Region and Language - Keyboards and Languages - Display Language. However, on my system, Keyboards and Languages only has a section near the top Keyboards and other input languages; there's a big empty space below that. Apparently, Display Language will appear there if I have more than one LIP installed; presumably I don't. (It was bought, ready installed, from a UK refurbisher.) This late in the day, I suspect I'm not going to go hunting other LIPs. FWIW, my Office 2003 says "English (U.K.)", which I assume it picked up from system when I installed it. My selection box has 'Use language list (recommended)' (which is the current setting) and 'English (United Kingdom)'). So my 'Windows display language' is 'English (United Kingdom)', which was probably the only English language pack included in the Windows software which came with my laptop. Note that you can *add* [2] (Windows display language) language packs, but there is a default one set at installation time. [2] (On Windows 8.1) Control Panel - Clock, Language and Region - Language - Add a language. And then later - 'Windows display language: Available for download' - Options - 'A language pack for ... is available for download' - 'Download and install language pack'. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf If you believe in telekinesis, raise my right hand |
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Earlier, I wrote:
J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote: In message , Frank Slootweg writes: "J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote: [...] "Favorites" I've always assumed was just Internet-Explorer-speak for bookmarks, as it once indeed was (and may still be); as such, I hadn't even looked at it for ages (possibly years). To my surprise I don't actually _have_ such a folder under C:\ or C:\Windows; I had one under C:\ProgramData, but system told me I couldn't get at that. Ah, I must have moved it at some time - I have it under D:\ (that's the one with the star icon I was expecting); that does indeed seem to still be IE's bookmarks (I'm on W7HP32). If your D:\ is also known as \Users\you or/and just you, then "Favorites" is in the right location, because it's user-specific, not system-wide. As I said, I'd probably moved it (I think the default is C:\Users\me). But long enough ago that I'd forgotten I'd done so. The default is \Users\me, which nearly always is on C:, but can be changed/moved to another drive, so that's why I asked. And BTW, it's of course "Favourites"! Don't you know your own language!? :-) I do indeed! Microsoft don't, though. (Even though I have UK set in various places.) Well, my Windows version is UK English and does say 'Favourites'. Additional note: It's "Favourites" in File Explorer, but "Favorites" in a Command Prompt window. IIRC, this 'magic' is done by the Windows equivalent of a (Unix) 'symbolic link' or some such trick, but I don't remember the details, nor a way to show the mapping. N.B. If you're in File Explorer, navigate to "Favourites" and then click in the 'path' box , it will display something like 'C:\Users\Frank\Favorites', i.e. the 'real' name. BTW, the relevant setting is the 'Windows display language' [1]. The 'Keyboard layout' is irrelevant (for this issue) and can be different (mine is/are 'US' and 'United States-International'). 'Date and time formats' and 'Location' are yet other irrelevant settings. [1] (On Windows 8.1) Control Panel - Clock, Language and Region - Language - Advanced settings - Override for Windows display language ... - selection box. My selection box has 'Use language list (recommended)' (which is the current setting) and 'English (United Kingdom)'). So my 'Windows display language' is 'English (United Kingdom)', which was probably the only English language pack included in the Windows software which came with my laptop. Note that you can *add* [2] (Windows display language) language packs, but there is a default one set at installation time. [2] (On Windows 8.1) Control Panel - Clock, Language and Region - Language - Add a language. And then later - 'Windows display language: Available for download' - Options - 'A language pack for ... is available for download' - 'Download and install language pack'. |
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In message , Char Jackson
writes: On Thu, 10 Oct 2019 23:27:12 -0400, GS wrote: On Thu, 10 Oct 2019 18:52:47 -0400, GS wrote: [] I just drag-n-drop to arrange things how I want them ordered; - seems that WE remembers the positions because any time I reopen it the positions persist as I ordered them. IOW, the tree is CUSTOM ORDERED instead of sorted by any default means (NOTE: the default sort persists within the custom ordering of the tree nodes). I just checked Windows Explorer in 10, 8.1, 7, and XP. None of them allowed me to drag any of the entries in the left pane. Do you have any custom software installed, or anything you might have done to enable dragging in the left pane of WE? I must be missing something obvious, which wouldn't be the first time. Ok, I just verified that my experience has been with (and only applies to) the Child nodes under the *Favorites* node. Anywhere else I want nodes to appear at the topmost position under a parent node I use the underscore character which, by default, also follows normal sort order according to the 1st character after the underscore. I apologize for causing any misleads! No problem. Thanks for clarifying! I've never found a use for the Favorites feature so mine is empty. Thus, no dragging for me in there. I'm probably the only one who was a bit confused. You weren't the only one! I (OP) was confused too; any attempt I made to drag things in the left pane just looked as if they were going to cause the dragged folder to become a subfolder of one of the others (not helped by the "helpful" tendency of Explorer [and other things] to expand things, after a few seconds [usually just at the moment when I drop what I'm dragging, so I have no idea where it dropped]. I've asked before if anyone knows how to STOP it doing that, with no result). I didn't say anything as I have Classic Shell, and wasn't sure if that was influencing things; glad to hear it wasn't. "Favorites" I've always assumed was just Internet-Explorer-speak for bookmarks, as it once indeed was (and may still be); as such, I hadn't even looked at it for ages (possibly years). To my surprise I don't actually _have_ such a folder under C:\ or C:\Windows; I had one under C:\ProgramData, but system told me I couldn't get at that. Ah, I must have moved it at some time - I have it under D:\ (that's the one with the star icon I was expecting); that does indeed seem to still be IE's bookmarks (I'm on W7HP32). And I can't change the order of folders in the left pane for that, either. [As I said, not that I want to; I just wondered if one could.] Yeah, WE's behavior has always been a stickler with me so I made my own file explorer back when I needed my CNC file management app to use its own built-in explorer. Otherwise, I use PowerDesk Pro for everything else files/folders related (as well as its other features)! -- Garry Free usenet access at http://www.eternal-september.org Classic VB Users Regroup! comp.lang.basic.visual.misc microsoft.public.vb.general.discussion |
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"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote
| Isn't that what desktops and shortcuts are for? | | I said, in the bit that you've snipped, that I neither needed nor wanted | to change the order in the left pane; I just wondered if you _could_. It | was just an idle wonder. | I understood. But as long as you're going to talk about it.... | I've | never used the Folders Explorer Bar. I find it too tedious to | deal with all those tiny nodes. On XP and Win7-32 I have | a custom Explorer Bar with links to folders within folder | windows. On my desktop I have shortcuts to all drives | and several commonly used folders. | | I think we may also be talking about different things; I was talking | about the left pane in a normal Explorer window. I'm not sure what the | "Folders Explorer _Bar_" is, but I don't think it's what I was talking | about. The left pane is where an Explorer Bar *can* be. The other option is just to have a folder window. If you have and Explorer Bar you can choose. The default is Folders. On my system, when I go to View - Explorer Bar I see Search, Favorites, History, my own custom bar, and Folders. What you see is actually a shell extension. A separate window that gets loaded into folder windows. That started with Win98 and Active Desktop. As far as I know it still works in newer Windows versions. I've used my own bar on Win7, but I haven't looked into whether Win10 still allows shell extensions. It may be complicated by the IE changes. Active Desktop began an integration between IE and Explorer Microsoft came up with various shell extension options. Explorer Bar, Property Pages, handlers for drop, context menu, etc, Band objects (Explorer toolbars) and so on. Window objects show up in Explorer *and* IE. They also get access to what's going on in each. Gradually, Microsoft have backed away from the integration. But most of it was still there, last I looked. |
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In message , Mayayana
writes: "J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote [] | I think we may also be talking about different things; I was talking | about the left pane in a normal Explorer window. I'm not sure what the | "Folders Explorer _Bar_" is, but I don't think it's what I was talking | about. The left pane is where an Explorer Bar *can* be. The other option is just to have a folder window. If you have and Explorer Bar you can choose. The default is Folders. Yes, I know you can turn off the tree pane; I've occasionally done so by mistake, and found it tedious working out how to get it back. To me, "bar" implies something long and narrow, and in the Windows context, usually horizontal (though I know not always). I wouldn't have _described_ the tree pane as a bar, though I know it can be made narrow. On my system, when I go to View - Explorer Bar I see Search, Favorites, History, my own custom bar, and Folders. What you see is actually a shell extension. A separate window that gets loaded into folder windows. I know something of shell extensions - the news/mail/etc. client I use (Turnpike) is one, and is what has kept me on 32 bit. (No, it's not a 16 bit application, it's 32, but needs the 32 bit shell. For Windows 7, it worked with all the pre-release versions of the 64-bit version, but not the final release; AIUI the pre-release versions still included a copy of some necessary file[s], but the final one didn't. Or something like that.) That started with Win98 and Active Desktop. As far as I know it still works in newer Windows versions. I've used my own bar on Win7, but I haven't looked into whether Win10 still allows shell extensions. It may be complicated I'm told Turnpike still works in 10-32, though I _imagine_ 10-32 is a rare beast. by the IE changes. Active Desktop began an integration between IE and Explorer Microsoft came up with various shell extension options. Explorer Bar, Property Pages, handlers for drop, context menu, etc, Band objects (Explorer toolbars) and so on. Window objects show up in Explorer *and* IE. They also get access to what's going on in each. Gradually, Microsoft have backed away from the integration. But most of it was still there, last I looked. 2 -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf live your dash. ... On your tombstone, there's the date you're born and the date you die - and in between there's a dash. - a friend quoted by Dustin Hoffman in Radio Times, 5-11 January 2013 |
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"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote
| That started with Win98 and Active Desktop. As far as | I know it still works in newer Windows versions. I've used | my own bar on Win7, but I haven't looked into whether | Win10 still allows shell extensions. It may be complicated | | I'm told Turnpike still works in 10-32, though I _imagine_ 10-32 is a | rare beast. | That makes sense. It should. But it runs in the Explorer proces, as a DLL. So the bitness has to match. Which would be why you can't change to 64-bit. |
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