Invisible folder

I copied a folder called Electronics and all its many subfolders from an older PC
(which runs XP) using USB (3.0) stick L:.

Then I opened it here in my Win 10 Pro PC. The subfolder L:\Electronics i7\Arduino,
clearly exists, and I can open its files. But its parent does not display it! I've
opened and closed and tried various views with the same baffling result. And
searches with any tool for files within it always correctly locates them. But the
Electronics folder will just not show Arduino. All other subfolders appear to be
present.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/6igfx0wj1l...lder.jpg?raw=1

Terry, East Grinstead, UK

On 25/11/2019 21:07, Terry Pinnell wrote:
But the
Electronics folder will just not show Arduino. All other subfolders appear to be
present.


Did you know that folders can be hidden and users can enable to view
hidden folders? I suspect you don't so nobody should waste their time
telling you how to go about viewing hidden folders and files on a
Windows 10 machine.

Why don't you just use that junk called Linux because that is what you
are accustomed to. Windows 10 require some intelligence and sadly, at
your age there isn't any sign of it.




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Terry Pinnell wrote:
I copied a folder called Electronics and all its many subfolders from an older PC
(which runs XP) using USB (3.0) stick L:.

Then I opened it here in my Win 10 Pro PC. The subfolder L:\Electronics i7\Arduino,
clearly exists, and I can open its files. But its parent does not display it! I've
opened and closed and tried various views with the same baffling result. And
searches with any tool for files within it always correctly locates them. But the
Electronics folder will just not show Arduino. All other subfolders appear to be
present.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/6igfx0wj1l...lder.jpg?raw=1

Terry, East Grinstead, UK

What does

dir /ah

tell you ?

You can probably assign attributes with attrib

attrib /?
attrib -H something

Besides "dir", fsutil has a command you can try.
Here, I'm reading out a hex value which contains
all the attrib bits. The table that follows, allows
you to decode the component parts of the hex number.

fsutil usn readdata Y:\Windows\Logs\CBS\CBS.log

FILE_ATTRIBUTE_READONLY = 1 (0x1)
FILE_ATTRIBUTE_HIDDEN = 2 (0x2)
FILE_ATTRIBUTE_SYSTEM = 4 (0x4)
FILE_ATTRIBUTE_DIRECTORY = 16 (0x10)
FILE_ATTRIBUTE_ARCHIVE = 32 (0x20)
FILE_ATTRIBUTE_NORMAL = 128 (0x80)
FILE_ATTRIBUTE_TEMPORARY = 256 (0x100)
FILE_ATTRIBUTE_SPARSE_FILE = 512 (0x200)
FILE_ATTRIBUTE_REPARSE_POINT = 1024 (0x400)
FILE_ATTRIBUTE_COMPRESSED = 2048 (0x800)
FILE_ATTRIBUTE_OFFLINE = 4096 (0x1000)
FILE_ATTRIBUTE_NOT_CONTENT_INDEXED = 8192 (0x2000)
FILE_ATTRIBUTE_ENCRYPTED = 16384 (0x4000)

So if the returned value was 0x7, that would be
0x1 + 0x2 + 0x4 or READONLY,HIDDEN,SYSTEM are all set.

If the returned value was 0xF00, that would be
0x100 + 0x200 + 0x400 + 0x800 or a total of four attributes set.

But such a particular combination isn't likely
in practice, and is just to show hex in action.

Paul

Paul wrote:

Terry Pinnell wrote:
I copied a folder called Electronics and all its many subfolders from an older PC
(which runs XP) using USB (3.0) stick L:.

Then I opened it here in my Win 10 Pro PC. The subfolder L:\Electronics i7\Arduino,
clearly exists, and I can open its files. But its parent does not display it! I've
opened and closed and tried various views with the same baffling result. And
searches with any tool for files within it always correctly locates them. But the
Electronics folder will just not show Arduino. All other subfolders appear to be
present.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/6igfx0wj1l...lder.jpg?raw=1

Terry, East Grinstead, UK

What does

dir /ah

tell you ?

You can probably assign attributes with attrib

attrib /?
attrib -H something

Besides "dir", fsutil has a command you can try.
Here, I'm reading out a hex value which contains
all the attrib bits. The table that follows, allows
you to decode the component parts of the hex number.

fsutil usn readdata Y:\Windows\Logs\CBS\CBS.log

FILE_ATTRIBUTE_READONLY = 1 (0x1)
FILE_ATTRIBUTE_HIDDEN = 2 (0x2)
FILE_ATTRIBUTE_SYSTEM = 4 (0x4)
FILE_ATTRIBUTE_DIRECTORY = 16 (0x10)
FILE_ATTRIBUTE_ARCHIVE = 32 (0x20)
FILE_ATTRIBUTE_NORMAL = 128 (0x80)
FILE_ATTRIBUTE_TEMPORARY = 256 (0x100)
FILE_ATTRIBUTE_SPARSE_FILE = 512 (0x200)
FILE_ATTRIBUTE_REPARSE_POINT = 1024 (0x400)
FILE_ATTRIBUTE_COMPRESSED = 2048 (0x800)
FILE_ATTRIBUTE_OFFLINE = 4096 (0x1000)
FILE_ATTRIBUTE_NOT_CONTENT_INDEXED = 8192 (0x2000)
FILE_ATTRIBUTE_ENCRYPTED = 16384 (0x4000)

So if the returned value was 0x7, that would be
0x1 + 0x2 + 0x4 or READONLY,HIDDEN,SYSTEM are all set.

If the returned value was 0xF00, that would be
0x100 + 0x200 + 0x400 + 0x800 or a total of four attributes set.

But such a particular combination isn't likely
in practice, and is just to show hex in action.

Paul

Triggered by your focus on 'attributes' I re-discovered a tool called 'Attribute
Changer 8' in the File Explorer right-click context menu, which I must have
installed years ago and never used.

That rewarded my fiddling and happily that folder is now visible again, many thanks.

I think I just enabled the box 'Apply to subfolders', although that puzzles me as
all the other subfolders were already visible. Maybe I did something else of
relevance to \Arduino while I was using another r-click tool 'Directory compare' I
had on the XP PC, before copying to USB.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/d4akj4eerg...es-1.jpg?raw=1

With the issue sorted I tried your command prompt but got this:
--------------------
C:\WINDOWS\system32cd L:\\Electronics i7

C:\WINDOWS\system32l:

L:\Electronics i7dir /ah
Volume in drive L has no label.
Volume Serial Number is 9A99-5D2E

Directory of L:\Electronics i7

File Not Found
--------------------

I'll pass on the hex stuff.


Terry, East Grinstead, UK

Terry Pinnell wrote:
Paul wrote:

Terry Pinnell wrote:
I copied a folder called Electronics and all its many subfolders from an older PC
(which runs XP) using USB (3.0) stick L:.

Then I opened it here in my Win 10 Pro PC. The subfolder L:\Electronics i7\Arduino,
clearly exists, and I can open its files. But its parent does not display it! I've
opened and closed and tried various views with the same baffling result. And
searches with any tool for files within it always correctly locates them. But the
Electronics folder will just not show Arduino. All other subfolders appear to be
present.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/6igfx0wj1l...lder.jpg?raw=1

Terry, East Grinstead, UK
What does

dir /ah

tell you ?

You can probably assign attributes with attrib

attrib /?
attrib -H something

Besides "dir", fsutil has a command you can try.
Here, I'm reading out a hex value which contains
all the attrib bits. The table that follows, allows
you to decode the component parts of the hex number.

fsutil usn readdata Y:\Windows\Logs\CBS\CBS.log

FILE_ATTRIBUTE_READONLY = 1 (0x1)
FILE_ATTRIBUTE_HIDDEN = 2 (0x2)
FILE_ATTRIBUTE_SYSTEM = 4 (0x4)
FILE_ATTRIBUTE_DIRECTORY = 16 (0x10)
FILE_ATTRIBUTE_ARCHIVE = 32 (0x20)
FILE_ATTRIBUTE_NORMAL = 128 (0x80)
FILE_ATTRIBUTE_TEMPORARY = 256 (0x100)
FILE_ATTRIBUTE_SPARSE_FILE = 512 (0x200)
FILE_ATTRIBUTE_REPARSE_POINT = 1024 (0x400)
FILE_ATTRIBUTE_COMPRESSED = 2048 (0x800)
FILE_ATTRIBUTE_OFFLINE = 4096 (0x1000)
FILE_ATTRIBUTE_NOT_CONTENT_INDEXED = 8192 (0x2000)
FILE_ATTRIBUTE_ENCRYPTED = 16384 (0x4000)

So if the returned value was 0x7, that would be
0x1 + 0x2 + 0x4 or READONLY,HIDDEN,SYSTEM are all set.

If the returned value was 0xF00, that would be
0x100 + 0x200 + 0x400 + 0x800 or a total of four attributes set.

But such a particular combination isn't likely
in practice, and is just to show hex in action.

Paul

Triggered by your focus on 'attributes' I re-discovered a tool called 'Attribute
Changer 8' in the File Explorer right-click context menu, which I must have
installed years ago and never used.

That rewarded my fiddling and happily that folder is now visible again, many thanks.

I think I just enabled the box 'Apply to subfolders', although that puzzles me as
all the other subfolders were already visible. Maybe I did something else of
relevance to \Arduino while I was using another r-click tool 'Directory compare' I
had on the XP PC, before copying to USB.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/d4akj4eerg...es-1.jpg?raw=1

With the issue sorted I tried your command prompt but got this:
--------------------
C:\WINDOWS\system32cd L:\\Electronics i7

C:\WINDOWS\system32l:

L:\Electronics i7dir /ah
Volume in drive L has no label.
Volume Serial Number is 9A99-5D2E

Directory of L:\Electronics i7

File Not Found
--------------------

I'll pass on the hex stuff.


Terry, East Grinstead, UK

The "dir /ah" only shows items with matching
characteristics. If the "L:\Electronics i7" folder
has no Hidden items in it currently, then nothing
should come back. If you do just "dir", then all
the visible files/folders should show.

You would run my commands, before having fixed the problem,
just to see that the commands work.

As for the command with the Hex output, you should
try the command at least once, to see that it works.
It's possible to turn off the USN journal on a
file system, but I think it just starts growing
again. And the "actual" journal depth, in my estimation,
is pretty shallow, like maybe a 16MB rolling buffer, so
that information must be stored somewhere a bit more permanent
than the USN I'm thinking of. When one of the commands I
use, told me the USN was 15GB, it really wasn't. The absolute
address of the USN was 15GB out, but the difference between
the first-used and first-free locations was only 16MB or so.
Some smaller amount of storage is actually valid in it. If
they're keeping attributes in there, you'd think there would not
be room.

And it couldn't be stored in an extended attribute (XATTR), since
if a Win10 system is accidentally "seen" by a booting Win7 C and
CHKDSK happens, all the XATTRs get removed. I did a file system
operation in Linux, with gparted, and completely forgot that
even though I was working on an HFSPLUS partition, the stupid
thing sets the "CHKDSK required" bit on *every* partition it
can find. Then Windows 7 on the next boot, scanned my Win10
partition and removed all the XATTRs. I love stuff like this.
So um, "tidy". The hard part, is not knowing what that affects.

Paul

Paul wrote:
Terry Pinnell wrote:
Paul wrote:

Terry Pinnell wrote:
I copied a folder called Electronics and all its many subfolders from an older PC
(which runs XP) using USB (3.0) stick L:.

Then I opened it here in my Win 10 Pro PC. The subfolder L:\Electronics i7\Arduino,
clearly exists, and I can open its files. But its parent does not display it! I've
opened and closed and tried various views with the same baffling result. And
searches with any tool for files within it always correctly locates them. But the
Electronics folder will just not show Arduino. All other subfolders appear to be
present.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/6igfx0wj1l...lder.jpg?raw=1

Terry, East Grinstead, UK
What does

dir /ah

tell you ?

You can probably assign attributes with attrib

attrib /?
attrib -H something

Besides "dir", fsutil has a command you can try.
Here, I'm reading out a hex value which contains
all the attrib bits. The table that follows, allows
you to decode the component parts of the hex number.

fsutil usn readdata Y:\Windows\Logs\CBS\CBS.log

FILE_ATTRIBUTE_READONLY = 1 (0x1)
FILE_ATTRIBUTE_HIDDEN = 2 (0x2)
FILE_ATTRIBUTE_SYSTEM = 4 (0x4)
FILE_ATTRIBUTE_DIRECTORY = 16 (0x10)
FILE_ATTRIBUTE_ARCHIVE = 32 (0x20)
FILE_ATTRIBUTE_NORMAL = 128 (0x80)
FILE_ATTRIBUTE_TEMPORARY = 256 (0x100)
FILE_ATTRIBUTE_SPARSE_FILE = 512 (0x200)
FILE_ATTRIBUTE_REPARSE_POINT = 1024 (0x400)
FILE_ATTRIBUTE_COMPRESSED = 2048 (0x800)
FILE_ATTRIBUTE_OFFLINE = 4096 (0x1000)
FILE_ATTRIBUTE_NOT_CONTENT_INDEXED = 8192 (0x2000)
FILE_ATTRIBUTE_ENCRYPTED = 16384 (0x4000)

So if the returned value was 0x7, that would be
0x1 + 0x2 + 0x4 or READONLY,HIDDEN,SYSTEM are all set.

If the returned value was 0xF00, that would be
0x100 + 0x200 + 0x400 + 0x800 or a total of four attributes set.

But such a particular combination isn't likely
in practice, and is just to show hex in action.

Paul

Triggered by your focus on 'attributes' I re-discovered a tool called 'Attribute
Changer 8' in the File Explorer right-click context menu, which I must have
installed years ago and never used.

That rewarded my fiddling and happily that folder is now visible again, many thanks.

I think I just enabled the box 'Apply to subfolders', although that puzzles me as
all the other subfolders were already visible. Maybe I did something else of
relevance to \Arduino while I was using another r-click tool 'Directory compare' I
had on the XP PC, before copying to USB.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/d4akj4eerg...es-1.jpg?raw=1

With the issue sorted I tried your command prompt but got this:
--------------------
C:\WINDOWS\system32cd L:\\Electronics i7

C:\WINDOWS\system32l:

L:\Electronics i7dir /ah
Volume in drive L has no label.
Volume Serial Number is 9A99-5D2E

Directory of L:\Electronics i7

File Not Found
--------------------

I'll pass on the hex stuff.


Terry, East Grinstead, UK

The "dir /ah" only shows items with matching
characteristics. If the "L:\Electronics i7" folder
has no Hidden items in it currently, then nothing
should come back. If you do just "dir", then all
the visible files/folders should show.

You would run my commands, before having fixed the problem,
just to see that the commands work.

As for the command with the Hex output, you should
try the command at least once, to see that it works.
It's possible to turn off the USN journal on a
file system, but I think it just starts growing
again. And the "actual" journal depth, in my estimation,
is pretty shallow, like maybe a 16MB rolling buffer, so
that information must be stored somewhere a bit more permanent
than the USN I'm thinking of. When one of the commands I
use, told me the USN was 15GB, it really wasn't. The absolute
address of the USN was 15GB out, but the difference between
the first-used and first-free locations was only 16MB or so.
Some smaller amount of storage is actually valid in it. If
they're keeping attributes in there, you'd think there would not
be room.

And it couldn't be stored in an extended attribute (XATTR), since
if a Win10 system is accidentally "seen" by a booting Win7 C and
CHKDSK happens, all the XATTRs get removed. I did a file system
operation in Linux, with gparted, and completely forgot that
even though I was working on an HFSPLUS partition, the stupid
thing sets the "CHKDSK required" bit on *every* partition it
can find. Then Windows 7 on the next boot, scanned my Win10
partition and removed all the XATTRs. I love stuff like this.
So um, "tidy". The hard part, is not knowing what that affects.

Paul


I am not using 10 but can't one use "change details" and then add
attributes in explorer to see them?

Then attrib -S -H (as required) (full path to folder)

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Zaidy036

Zaidy036 wrote:

I am not using 10 but can't one use "change details" and then add
attributes in explorer to see them?

Then attrib -S -H (as required) (full path to folder)


ATTRIB would be a good solution in this case, as Hidden
happens to be from the DOS era.

Not all the attributes are equally easy to work with.
Sparse probably being the worst. Other OSes have
slightly better support for sparse.

Paul

On 26/11/2019 17:46, Zaidy036 wrote:
I am not using 10 but can't one use "change details" and then add
attributes in explorer to see them?

Then attrib -S -H (as required) (full path to folder)


Frankly, you should be using Windows 10 instead of making a fool of
yourself by making a suggestion that is completely rubbish.

There are ways to view hidden files in Windows 10 but idiots here have
to suggest something really stupid. Windows has a very nice UI that
allows you to toggle hidden/visible files but Linux junkies won't
understand this. They should really be spending time taking drugs rather
than coming here to damage their already broken brain on this Windows 10
newsgroup. Windows 10 requires some intelligence and Linux junkies
don't have any. I could post an image here but it is likely to be a
waste as they won't be able to see it because of their hallucination.





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