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Email problems
I'm having a lot of annoying problems with my ancient Gmail app. (Don't
know version number. Can't find it to look for it on the HD. Probably easy to find if I knew how. My 85 year-old mind doesn't work well any more.) Think it would be possible to DL a newer version that will run under XP? I tried Thunderbird. It's better, but annoyingly it fails to send my message about a third of the time. I have to save the message entry screen and reload T-Bird. It usually works then but still annoying. Or perhaps a nice new enmail app that runs nicely under XP? TIA -- I love a good meal! That's why I don't cook. |
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KenK wrote:
I'm having a lot of annoying problems with my ancient Gmail app. (Don't know version number. Can't find it to look for it on the HD. Probably easy to find if I knew how. My 85 year-old mind doesn't work well any more.) Think it would be possible to DL a newer version that will run under XP? I tried Thunderbird. It's better, but annoyingly it fails to send my message about a third of the time. I have to save the message entry screen and reload T-Bird. It usually works then but still annoying. Or perhaps a nice new enmail app that runs nicely under XP? TIA While this ancient GMail app is running, you could look for it in Task Manager (the control-alt-delete thing). It could be Windows Live Mail or something. Using Process Explorer (run it as administrator to be able to access more info), it can tell you where the executable for a particular process is located. Version 16.32, maybe still runs on Windows XP... https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sys...ocess-explorer You can find an older version, if that didn't work. http://www.oldversion.com/windows/pr...explorer-11-33 ******* You can save a composed email message in Thunderbird, as a "Draft". Restart Thunderbird. Visit the "Draft" item in the local folder. You can then re-open your draft item, and click send if you wish. Googles fascination with TLS means that the email tool you use, has to be a more modern one, to keep up. TLS uses a certificate. TLS uses an encryption method, like CHACHA20 or one of the elliptic curve encryption methods. And GMail likes OAUTH2 for (web-based) authentication. And many of the clients here, including Thunderbird, Google requires the "less secure" setting in your web setup of GMail, for the clients to work. While it may seem there are a lot of clients here, not all of them offer the latest standards for (encryption) protocols and the like. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compar..._email_clients Paul |
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KenK wrote:
I'm having a lot of annoying problems with my ancient Gmail app. (Don't know version number. Can't find it to look for it on the HD. Probably easy to find if I knew how. My 85 year-old mind doesn't work well any more.) Think it would be possible to DL a newer version that will run under XP? Google never wrote a Gmail app for Windows XP ... because Windows XP does not support UWP (Universal Windows Platform) app[lication]s. You have some Win32 program as a local e-mail client running on Windows XP, but you did not identify it. Most Win32 programs have a menu, and in that menu it has a Help entry, and under Help is usually an About entry. That's where you look to determine which version of a program (not app) that you are running. Perhaps you mean you are using a web browser (unidentified, too) to connect to gmail.com and you are using their webmail client (aka web app). In that case, "lot of annoying problems" gives no details for anyone else to troubleshoot. If "Gmail app" means an Android app for Gmail running on your Android smartphone or tablet, or an iOS app for Gmail running on your Apple smartphone, that is off-topic here. This newsgroup is for discussing Windows XP issues. The Android newsgroup is over at: comp.mobile.android There is no iOS newsgroup, and none of the *apple* newsgroups look to discuss iOS devices, like iPhones. You'll have to try their forums over at https://discussions.apple.com. I tried Thunderbird. It's better, but annoyingly it fails to send my message about a third of the time. I have to save the message entry screen and reload T-Bird. It usually works then but still annoying. Thunderbird has their own newsgroup on Mozilla's NNTP server. The community there is more focused on that Win32 program. Newsgroup: mozilla.support.thunderbird Server: news.mozilla.org Port: 119 Thunderbird version 52 was the last one to support Windows XP SP3. You didn't mention which version you have. If you are not yet up to SP3 on Windows XP, you might have to go through the 2-step install procedure to get around a bug in their installer; see: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb...ndows-xp-vista "Fails to send" doesn't say what is happening. If Tbird is having problems connecting to the SMTP server or submitting a message to it, Tbird will show errors which you could then report to others. If the SMTP server accepts the submission from Tbird without error (Tbird generates no error and receives an OK status back from the SMTP server) but the message is not sent out from your SMTP server or received by the recipient's SMTP server, Tbird is working okay and the problem is upstream at the servers or at the recipient's end. You could CC (Carbon Copy) or BCC (Blind Carbon Copy) yourself on all your outbound e-mails. Send the copy to a different e-mail account and preferably at a different e-mail provider to check if your outbound e-mails are getting delivered. If your other account gets your e-mails, there is no problem with your local e-mail client or with your e-mail service, and the problem is at the recipient's end. Or perhaps a nice new enmail app that runs nicely under XP? You didn't mention pricing criteria, like you want only free solutions or are willing to pay. _OE Classic_ Looks like Outlook Express (which has nothing to do with Microsoft's Outlook client, and was originally named Internet Messaging and News hence the "imn" substring in the .exe file's name). Cost: free for crippled version, $25 for payware version. You don't mention what are the "annoying problems" with something you claim is a "Gmail app" running on Windows XP. If you are actually using Outlook Express, you'll have to mention just what are the problems to get help on them. Whatever problems you have in whatever local e-mail client you are using are not fixed, they may still be exhibited in whatever alternative local e-mail client you end up using. There are newsgroups for Outlook Express where you can ask for help on that Win32 program. _Mailbird_ Another alternative is Mailbird (https://www.getmailbird.com/). I've never used it. They claim to be Windows XP compatible. Their GUI is designed to look like what gets used for smartphone apps. Cost: $40 to purchase, $1.63/month for subscription. No free version, just a trial or demo version. _Claws Mail_ I've seen users, reviews, and even Wikipedia claim there is a Windows version. Yet https://www.claws-mail.org/releases.php only lists tar files and that hints to [U|Li]nux. Eventually I found their Windows version (but with no help with their nagivation links) at https://www.claws-mail.org/win32/. Since it requires GTK+, I don't know if their installer bundles it, or it you have to seek it separately. Cost: Free. _em Client_ I've used this for a while. It's okay, but still buggy. There are options to configure its GUI, but they don't effect a change or don't stick between em Client sessions. See the note below about the max account bug in the free version. There are peer forums, but none of em Client's employees visit there. You get no support for the free version, and there's really only 1 visitor to their forums that helps. Although it has a free version, you still have to register to get a product key to activate the program, so you need a valid e-mail address to get the product key (I suggest using an alias or a disposable account). You get a fully functional 30-day trial afterwhich you must select between the free or paid version. It used to run on Windows XP. Don't know about today, or if you have to get an old version for XP. Cost: Free with max of 2 accounts (*) (*) The client will let you define more than 2 accounts, but then some will cease to function eventually. They should enforce the limit of 2. _Opera Mail_ Not when it was a component of the Opera web browser, but as a standalone e-mail client. Last release was in 2016. No longer supported (no longer listed at opera.com, so you'll have to grab it elsewhere), but lots of abandonware remains usable. Cost: free _the Bat!_ Be aware that this client has been so heavily abused by spammers that many anti-spam filters (at servers or clients) will filter out or flag as spam any messages sent with it. Supports Windows XP. Cost: free (shareware, you're expected to pay if you continue using), home edition @ $50, pro edition @ $60. Some others that are free only support POP3 accounts; i.e., no support for IMAP, Exchange, Gmail API, or any protocol other than POP3. You didn't mention what type of account(s) you have. For example, Foxmail (free) only supports POP3. Their web site has no mention of OS support. No point in researching and mentioning e-mail clients that may not support whatever e-mail protocols you are currently using. Also, many mail servers have upped their encryption protocol required to connect to them. They stopped allowing passing login credentials in the clear and moved to SSL, but SSL got deprecated (it was vulnerable), so many servers moved up to TLS. TLS 1.0 is no different than SSL 3.0, but the handshake is different, so TLS 1.0 isn't compatible with SSL 3.0. Because SSL was vulnerable, so was TLS 1.0. So servers moved up to TLS 1.1 and 1.2. Many now require TLS 1.2 for you to connect to them. Windows XP only supports up to TLS 1.0; see: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/arc...ols-on-windows So, no matter what e-mail client you use, you may not be able to connect to a mail server because your old OS doesn't have the minimally required encryption support by the server. |
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"KenK" wrote
| | I tried Thunderbird. It's better, but annoyingly it fails to send my | message about a third of the time. You can get the latest supported here. Pick your language: http://archive.mozilla.org/pub/thund.../52.9.1/win32/ It should work fine. But gmail can be a pain. They're very pushy about 2-factor authentication, for instance. If it's not sending, check error messages. | Or perhaps a nice new enmail app that runs nicely under XP? | Outlook Express. They'll have to pry it from my cold, dead XP computer. |
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On Thu, 2 Jul 2020 at 15:01:24, VanguardLH wrote:
KenK wrote: I'm having a lot of annoying problems with my ancient Gmail app. We're _assuming_ you mean, you're using gmail, and are using some software to access it (other than a web browser which would mean you're using their webmail interface). If your email provider is someone _other_ than gmail (your email address _doesn't_ have @gmail in it), you need to tell us that. Assuming you _are_ talking about gmail, I won't add much to what VLH has said. [] Most Win32 programs have a menu, and in that menu it has a Help entry, and under Help is usually an About entry. That's where you look to determine which version of a program (not app) that you are running. Perhaps you mean you are using a web browser (unidentified, too) to connect to gmail.com and you are using their webmail client (aka web app). In that case, "lot of annoying problems" gives no details for anyone else to troubleshoot. [] I tried Thunderbird. It's better, but annoyingly it fails to send my message about a third of the time. I have to save the message entry screen and reload T-Bird. It usually works then but still annoying. Only fairly recent versions of TB can do the sort of authentication encryption that gmail like you to use, and I don't know if that includes the ones that run on XP (up to 52 point something). You _can_ use older TBs - or other clients that also don't do the right sort of authentication encryption - with gmail; you just have to go into their web interface, and tick a box that says something like "allow less secure clients". There are rumours that they tend to untick that box (i. e. require the encryption) on you after a while; I don't use gmail so don't know how true that is. [] Also, many mail servers have upped their encryption protocol required to [] So, no matter what e-mail client you use, you may not be able to connect to a mail server because your old OS doesn't have the minimally required encryption support by the server. Another way to continue using an old client you're fond of but that doesn't do what the server now wants, is to use an intermediate piece of software that provides it: the people in the Turnpike 'group mostly use one called stunnel, but I think there are others. You then point your client at this other software rather than the mail servers, and point this other software at the mail servers. Yet another way is to use one of the antivirus prog.s - I _think_ it's Avast, but I'm not sure about that - and for once let it do email scanning. (Normally, if you have a good AV software anyway, email scanning is _mostly_ a waste of time.) That particular AV does the necessary encryption as a side-effect. I think, though, in text either I or VLH have snipped, you said the problem only occurs about a third of the time; I can't imagine the encryption or authentication problems we know of doing that: they'd either stop it working all the time, or not. So your problem may be something else. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf The motto of the Royal Society is: 'Take nobody's word for it'. Scepticism has value. - Brian Cox, RT 2015/3/14-20 |
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