Windows 10 update to 2004. Is it safe at this point?

On Thu, 30 Jul 2020 08:46:23 -0700, in alt.comp.os.windows-10, Ken Blake
wrote:

And yes, sometimes problems are caused by bugs in the new version. In my
experience, that's the least likely reason.

And this is why you keep the OS on a separate system drive and take a
system image before an upgrade, so you can do a bare metal restore if you
have to.

Saved my ass with my daughter's computer. Automatic upgrade failed.
Rollback failed. She just turned her computer off one day, wondered why
it went and screwed around for an hour, and when she booted it back up it
wouldn't start or revert. Went straight to recovery with no good options.
Luckily, I had an MS system image to restore, but I have pulled out an
old offline backup and booted with a USB stick if necessary.

Now she's afraid of even turning the thing off, and leaves a video
running so it won't even patch. These were BUGS.

A bare metal backup is the only way to be sure since MS fired most of
their QA department and went to a first line of enthusiast guinea pigs
instead. The consumer receiving the release product is the second line of
guinea pigs when they finally do a new release. The only people that even
remotely get a fair shake are enterprise customers with private update
servers (is that still WSUS?).

I've had Windows updates (both major versions and patches) go bad and
render machines inoperable. It was not due to user error, it was because
Microsoft didn't test, or sometimes, didn't listen to their testers.

I've had Microsoft uninstall drivers that work on an update, and replace
them with drivers that don't work, no matter how many times I switch the
driver back on each major update. One of my machines has been reverting
to a broken driver since 1709. Stock mainboard sound chipset, too.
Result: No sound.

There is good reason to be nervous. Please, don't try to tell us it's all
fine, or it's only edge cases or people with weird configurations. I have
six machines running it -- three laptops, three desktops -- and they've
_all_ had serious problems due to poor MS QA at one point or another.

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Seems a computer engineer, a systems analyst, and a programmer were
driving down a mountain when the brakes gave out. They screamed down the
mountain, gaining speed, but finally managed to grind to a halt, more by
luck than anything else, just inches from a thousand foot drop to jagged
rocks. They all got out of the car:
The computer engineer said, "I think I can fix it."
The systems analyst said, "No, no, I think we should take it
into town and have a specialist look at it."
The programmer said, "OK, but first I think we should get back
in and see if it does it again."

FredW wrote:
John C. wrote:
Toast wrote:
John C. wrote:
I loath this version of Windows (the spying and mandatory updating)

then run O&O ShutUp10 (no install required, just runs as an executable;
https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10) and select

disable recordings of user activity
disable the submission of user activities to Microsoft
disable...about a million other things O&O can turn off

or, you can click on Actions - "Apply only recommended settings" to
start out with, and then work the individual settings on or off from there.

probably wouldn't hurt to install the host file at
http://winhelp2002.mvps.org/hosts.htm to block other bad things.

I've been using Debotnet, but I hear that program is no longer being
developed or has changed into something with another name.

- Spydish
https://github.com/builtbybel/spydish/releases/

Yeah, that's the one. UI looks about the same. I am planning on moving
to it the next time I run the laptop.

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share, spy, time-limited, trial or web wares for me please. I filter out
posts made from Google Groups, cross-posted messages and anything from
that bonehead Arlen Holder. I recommend you do likewise.

John C. lamented thusly:

I bought a laptop for traveling and also to see what W10 was all about.
I loath this version of Windows (the spying and mandatory updating) and
keep nothing personal on that computer, but that's neither here nor
there.


There's been a lot of talk on the internet about problems associated
with updating to version 2004. I've still put a lot of work into beating
the OS into something I can use and don't want to have wasted my time.
Has M$ worked out the bugs enough on this update that it's safe to allow
it at this point or does anybody know of any bugs that are still a
problem?

TIA.

I have a new-ish

Dell™ Inspiron 15 5000 Laptop,
15.6" Screen,
Intel® Core™ i7,
12GB Memory,
1TB Hard Drive,
Windows® 10 Home

Needless to say, I had to bang it around quite a bit to get it configured
and adjusted... The Windows 10 part was no problem for me because I kind
of like it... It was the Dell config rollout with all the bloatware and
driver update activity going on in the background at the same time as
Windows 10's background activity...

Well, I finally got it under control, then about 6-weeks ago I got the
notification that "The Windows 10 May 2020 Update" was ready...

I clicked through and patiently waited for it to run its routine... about
3-1/2 hours...

It booted to a blank background screen... I left it alone for about an
hour to see if there was some lag in the install routine or some such...
There often is... of a few minutes...

No joy, so I rebooted.

For crap's sake, I had command dialogs and system screens flashing across
the screen until I finally got a blue screen dialog which vaguely stated
something had gone wrong and I needed to reboot. After several déjà vu
experiences, I attempted to boot into Safe Mode... Same error message
[s]...

I then tried to restore to a previous working image. The message was that
there were some errors with my system to see my "system administrator" or
contact my computer manufacturer...

Luckily, Dell comes with a factory restore feature, so I exectuted that...

Go back to "Needless to say..." above. I had to reconfigure and reset and
reinstall... until I got back to operational again.

Six weeks ago! To this date, the "The Windows 10 May 2020 Update"
information in my System Settings Update & Security Windows Update
panel has NOT shown up again... It simply says "You're up to date; Last
checked: Yesterday, 8:27 AM".

And I'm OK with that.

Hope this helps.

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Bucky Breeder wrote:
John C. lamented thusly:

I bought a laptop for traveling and also to see what W10 was all about.
I loath this version of Windows (the spying and mandatory updating) and
keep nothing personal on that computer, but that's neither here nor
there.


There's been a lot of talk on the internet about problems associated
with updating to version 2004. I've still put a lot of work into beating
the OS into something I can use and don't want to have wasted my time.
Has M$ worked out the bugs enough on this update that it's safe to allow
it at this point or does anybody know of any bugs that are still a
problem?

TIA.

I have a new-ish

Dellâ„¢ Inspiron 15 5000 Laptop,
15.6" Screen,
Intel® Core™ i7,
12GB Memory,
1TB Hard Drive,
Windows® 10 Home

Needless to say, I had to bang it around quite a bit to get it configured
and adjusted... The Windows 10 part was no problem for me because I kind
of like it... It was the Dell config rollout with all the bloatware and
driver update activity going on in the background at the same time as
Windows 10's background activity...

Well, I finally got it under control, then about 6-weeks ago I got the
notification that "The Windows 10 May 2020 Update" was ready...

I clicked through and patiently waited for it to run its routine... about
3-1/2 hours...

It booted to a blank background screen... I left it alone for about an
hour to see if there was some lag in the install routine or some such...
There often is... of a few minutes...

No joy, so I rebooted.

For crap's sake, I had command dialogs and system screens flashing across
the screen until I finally got a blue screen dialog which vaguely stated
something had gone wrong and I needed to reboot. After several déjÃ* vu
experiences, I attempted to boot into Safe Mode... Same error message
[s]...

I then tried to restore to a previous working image. The message was that
there were some errors with my system to see my "system administrator" or
contact my computer manufacturer...

Luckily, Dell comes with a factory restore feature, so I exectuted that...

Go back to "Needless to say..." above. I had to reconfigure and reset and
reinstall... until I got back to operational again.

Six weeks ago! To this date, the "The Windows 10 May 2020 Update"
information in my System Settings Update & Security Windows Update
panel has NOT shown up again... It simply says "You're up to date; Last
checked: Yesterday, 8:27 AM".

And I'm OK with that.

Hope this helps.

It does. I think what happened is that since you tried to do the update,
M$ figured out that it won't work with your model and stopped offering
it to people owning one of them.

Hope you didn't lose any data. After hearing your story, I'm definitely
going to look into using Macrium to make a backup image when I finally
am brave enough to attempt the update. I don't have any critical data on
the machine that isn't on my main computer, but like you I have a lot of
time invested in tweaking the system to get it beat into something I can
use. I'd hate to lose that effort and have to start from scratch again
on the thing.

Thanks for your reply!

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