internet exporer pullled by Microsoft?

T wrote:
On 2020-07-31 20:59, Paul wrote:
T wrote:
On 2020-07-31 15:11, Paul wrote:
Bentot wrote:
On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 09:50:07 -0700, Bentot wrote:

On Thu, 30 Jul 2020 21:51:23 -0500, Rene Lamontagne
wrote:

On 2020-07-30 8:59 p.m., Bentot wrote:
My WIN 10 Pro has had iexpore.exe removed from both internet
explorer
program folders. Cannot get them back via Settings or Control
Panel.

My WIN 10 Home still have functional Internet Explorer.

So,, it appearse that M$ is starting to kill IE.

I don't use IE, but a unhappy friend does. She is computer
cballenged, so I will set her up with a differnt browser.

What version of windowV 10 Pro do you have?
I have Windows 10 Pro version 2004 19041.388 and internet
explorer is still functional.

Rene
Interesting.... I have the same version. I suspect one of the
quality updates pulled it. Only the iexplore executable was removed.
from each of the program folders (932bit and 64bit) The two IE
program
folders are otherwise intact.

iexplore.exe doesn't exist anywhere on this computer.

I also note that in Settings APS defaults, the choice for Internet
Explorer has been replace by Edge. So, now Edge is listed twice. The
first is annotated as recommended. The second has no notation. Choose
either one and get Edge.

Oh well, I use Google, sp all that doesn't affect me. But, my
curiosity lingers.

Ben

Does this sequence still work on your machine ?

Right-click Start : Run : control
Programs and Features (control panel)
Windows Features
Check that Internet Explorer 11 tick box is still ticked

The "removal" of IE11 does not remove the folder,
because some part of that folder may still be in usage.

The Internet Explorer 11 tick box in Windows Features,
normally controls "iexplore.exe" . If the Internet Explorer
line is removed in Windows Features, that would be a sign
the removal is permanent.

Paul


Hi Paul,

Jut out of curiousity, would "sfc /scannow" recover it? Or only
things in the Widows directory?

-T


SFC is mainly C:\Windows directory related.

It really should not be wandering about C:\Program Files.

And "Internet Explorer" is in both C:\Program Files and C:\Program
Files (x86).
It's the poster boy for providing both options for bitness.

On a 32-bit OS, only C:\Program Files exists and the x86 version would
be in there.

Paul

Dang. It was a long shot. Maybe one of those in
place re-installs you taught me then?


I don't know where the Windows Features things hide.

It would be interesting to install a standalone IE11
and see if it sticks.

Paul

On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 18:24:26 -0700, Bentot wrote:

I checked on my Win 10 system (Pro, updated every month) and IE 11 still
there as well as Edge 18 (not Chromium Edge).

Weird!! TKs

Internet Explorer, AFAIK, is unaffected when you install the new Edge.
o "C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\iexplore.exe"
https://i.postimg.cc/PrcV1pXF/browser06.jpg

As far as I know, unless you change two registry keys, whenever Edge Chrome
is installed, the old Edge legacy classic UWB is "hidden" automatically.
o Edge Chrome: "C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft\Edge\Application\msedge.exe"
o Edge UWB: %windir%\explorer.exe shell:Appsfolder\Microsoft.MicrosoftEdge_8wekyb3d8 bbwe!MicrosoftEdge

AFAI, you can instantly revive the old Edge simply by deleting the new Edge...
o C:\ cd C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft\Edge\Application\84.0.522.50\Insta ller\
o C:\ setup.exe --uninstall --system-level --force-uninstall --verbose-logging
https://i.postimg.cc/2SzGQkQZ/archive-installer.jpg

But the new Edge will come back with the next Windows Update, unless you
know which registry keys to change to allow peace & harmony among Edges.
o https://i.postimg.cc/QN6rbSQD/browser05.jpg

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\EdgeUpdate]
"DoNotUpdateToEdgeWithChromium"=dword:00000001

And

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Edg eUpdate]
"Allowsxs"=dword:00000001

The former prevents Windows Update from stepping on your browser of choice,
and the latter allows peaceful coexistence of the two Edges concurrently.
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In article , wrote:

I'm guessing they're probably like the "scientific"
research you found that shows wearing masks is a
commie plot.

1) I provided cites to Randomized Clinical Trial
(RTC's). You did not. I used the scientific method.
You did not.

the cites *you* provided clearly state that masks are helpful, which
means you don't understand any of the science you think you do.

There is no room for religion or political
correctness in science.

yet that's exactly what you do.

"So and so said such and such"
does not cut it.

it does when they're well respected scientists.

2) I never once called the mask crowd a "commie plot".

I have called the mask crowd "Lysenkoists" though, as
they follow political correctness and do not follow
actual science.

yet another example of how you politicize everything and ignore actual
science.

I call covid the "commie flu" because it came from a
bioweapons lab in COMMUNIST China and said Left Wingers
lied to the world about it, especially though WHO.

no it very definitely did not.

that is nothing more than yet another lunatic fringe wacko conspiracy
theory.

Please do not misrepresent me.

don't misrepresent the facts, to the point of outright lying.

On Sat, 01 Aug 2020 00:46:32 -0400, Paul wrote:

It would be interesting to install a standalone IE11
and see if it sticks.

Hi Paul,

Do you know where to find a standalone installer for the old MS Edge?

Here are two locales where I found a standalone installer for IE11:

Name: IE11-Windows6.1-x64-en-us.exe
Size: 55915216 bytes (53 MiB)
SHA256: 559EAFE456E5D29B19CD3A9D6BE7C77F3F576A484434BD5B2A A5B6188AAA00B2
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/18520/download-internet-explorer-11-offline-installer

o Internet Explorer 11 (64-Bit)
Name: EIE11_EN-US_MCM_WIN764.EXE
Size: 58069888 bytes (55 MiB)
SHA256: 8360C0AE62A10311536211132F842169240EAB504B82782683 AB72666A9633FB
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=41628

And here's a full installer for the new Chromium-based Microsoft Edge:
Name: MicrosoftEdgeEnterpriseX64.msi
Size: 90255360 bytes (86 MiB)
SHA256: 4CBD6B9FD748A05BA5ACB3F05CCE152AF197047B54DD61BD5C 6D8CEC5FE37146
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/edge/business/download

But does anyone know where to find the old MS Edge standalone installer?
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoftedge/forum/all/microsoft-edge/b77fc2d8-c4c0-4798-a127-aa115b33a64c
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Arlen Holder wrote:
On Sat, 01 Aug 2020 00:46:32 -0400, Paul wrote:

It would be interesting to install a standalone IE11
and see if it sticks.

Hi Paul,

Do you know where to find a standalone installer for the old MS Edge?

Here are two locales where I found a standalone installer for IE11:

Name: IE11-Windows6.1-x64-en-us.exe
Size: 55915216 bytes (53 MiB)
SHA256: 559EAFE456E5D29B19CD3A9D6BE7C77F3F576A484434BD5B2A A5B6188AAA00B2
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/18520/download-internet-explorer-11-offline-installer

o Internet Explorer 11 (64-Bit)
Name: EIE11_EN-US_MCM_WIN764.EXE
Size: 58069888 bytes (55 MiB)
SHA256: 8360C0AE62A10311536211132F842169240EAB504B82782683 AB72666A9633FB
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=41628

And here's a full installer for the new Chromium-based Microsoft Edge:
Name: MicrosoftEdgeEnterpriseX64.msi
Size: 90255360 bytes (86 MiB)
SHA256: 4CBD6B9FD748A05BA5ACB3F05CCE152AF197047B54DD61BD5C 6D8CEC5FE37146
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/edge/business/download

But does anyone know where to find the old MS Edge standalone installer?
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoftedge/forum/all/microsoft-edge/b77fc2d8-c4c0-4798-a127-aa115b33a64c

There is likely to be more than one version of IE11 standalone.
But maybe they don't work on Windows 10.

Only if the download link says it's specifically for Windows 10,
would I waste the time on it.

A file *could* have been available, if it was delivered as a KBxxxxxx
IE Cumulative Patch. But it's likely Windows 10 didn't do that, so
they're not "exposed" that way.

The old MSEdge is an App from the App Store. The new ChromEdge
could be constructed any old way. It could be an App or a Win32.
Even if you find an EXE, it'll take a bit of effort to see
whether it's a real Win32 or a fake "manifest" type EXE that
doesn't really launch the conventional way (the screen blinks
if you double-click it).

If you thought this was "odds n' sods" day, no it's not.
Less junk for the trunk.

Paul

On Thu, 30 Jul 2020 18:59:24 -0700, Bentot wrote:

I don't use IE, but a unhappy friend does. She is computer
cballenged, so I will set her up with a differnt browser.

If you like, you can set her up for all three M$ browsers:
o https://i.postimg.cc/PrcV1pXF/browser06.jpg

Due to this thread, I began thinking how to install and use any of the
three MS browsers concurrently, & how to prevent MS from hiding them:
1. Internet Explorer
2. Legacy Edge UWM
3. New Chrome-based Edge

For that tutorial I wrote based on your question, see this thread:
o Tutorial to set up 3 Microsoft web browsers (Edge UWB, new Edge, &
Internet Explorer) to work concurrently coexisting peacefully
even after subsequent Windows Updates
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.comp.microsoft.windows/hUAf1lnum3E

To see if your IE is actually still there, these commands may help:
o Win+R C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\iexplore.exe
o Win+R shell:appsfolder

If you want to re-install IE from scratch, these are offline installers:
Name: IE11-Windows6.1-x64-en-us.exe
Size: 55915216 bytes (53 MiB)
SHA256: 559EAFE456E5D29B19CD3A9D6BE7C77F3F576A484434BD5B2A A5B6188AAA00B2
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/18520/download-internet-explorer-11-offline-installer

Name: EIE11_EN-US_MCM_WIN764.EXE
Size: 58069888 bytes (55 MiB)
SHA256: 8360C0AE62A10311536211132F842169240EAB504B82782683 AB72666A9633FB
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=41628

In summary, when I researched your question, I kept going, where, after
about an hour of testing, I was able to get all three working together:
o https://i.postimg.cc/QN6rbSQD/browser05.jpg
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On Thu, 30 Jul 2020 21:01:25 -0700, T wrote:

Believe it or not, in this day and age, there are
still some web sites out there that only work with
Internet Explorer.

That's a good reason to have all three working concurrently:
https://i.postimg.cc/PrcV1pXF/browser06.jpg

On Sat, 01 Aug 2020 03:13:00 -0400, Paul wrote:

The old MSEdge is an App from the App Store.

Hi Paul,

I'm hoping to find a URL to the full offline legacy Edge MS installer, for
archival purposes, where all of us still have it on our Win10 systems.
o %windir%\explorer.exe shell:Appsfolder\Microsoft.MicrosoftEdge_8wekyb3d8 bbwe!MicrosoftEdge

The question is simply one of these two:
a. How to package up that old legacy Edge off our own systems, or,
b. Where to find a full offline installer for MS Edge legacy UWB.

It's important to note MS only _hides_ the legacy Edge installer when
Windows 10 Update installs the new Chrome-based Edge.
o Access Microsoft Edge Legacy after installing the new version of Microsoft Edge
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/deployedge/microsoft-edge-sysupdate-access-old-edge

That means we "should" be able to "package it up" to archive it.
o But I don't know _how_ to package up that legacy MS Edge UWB package.

I've scoured the net looking for it, but MS seems to have killed them all!

For example, this "should" have the installer, but it doesn't have it.
o Microsoft Edge Legacy download
https://download.cnet.com/Microsoft-Edge-Legacy/3000-2356_4-76442971.html

In summary, if someone knows how to archive the old Edge legacy UWB
browser, that would be a very useful capability for us Windows 10 users.
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On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 10:39:54 -0500, Zaghadka wrote:

On Thu, 30 Jul 2020 18:59:24 -0700, in alt.comp.os.windows-10, Bentot
wrote:

My WIN 10 Pro has had iexpore.exe removed from both internet explorer
program folders. Cannot get them back via Settings or Control Panel.

My WIN 10 Home still have functional Internet Explorer.

So,, it appearse that M$ is starting to kill IE.

I don't use IE, but a unhappy friend does. She is computer
cballenged, so I will set her up with a differnt browser.

still have it, but when i type it into the start box, it comes up as
Microsoft Edge first and IE second from after the "int" all the way
through the last letter of the entire two words.

So I don't know what happened to you. I'm current @ v 2004. But they're
definitely going to be killing it. with fire. it's about time.

No - Mary Jo would have told us.

On Sat, 01 Aug 2020 02:18:38 -0400, nospam wrote:

that is nothing more than yet another lunatic fringe wacko conspiracy
theory.

That's as maybe, but on the other hand explain how a single strand
RNA molecule virus with thousands of base pairs evolved a protected
protein sheath with actual hooks on it to catch pipes in our
respiratory system? Every sign of an engineered product.

In article , mechanic
wrote:


that is nothing more than yet another lunatic fringe wacko conspiracy
theory.

That's as maybe, but on the other hand explain how a single strand
RNA molecule virus with thousands of base pairs evolved a protected
protein sheath with actual hooks on it to catch pipes in our
respiratory system? Every sign of an engineered product.

no sign whatsoever.

the idea has been investigated and shown to be completely false.

Arlen Holder wrote:
On Sat, 01 Aug 2020 03:13:00 -0400, Paul wrote:

The old MSEdge is an App from the App Store.

Hi Paul,

I'm hoping to find a URL to the full offline legacy Edge MS installer, for
archival purposes, where all of us still have it on our Win10 systems.
o %windir%\explorer.exe shell:Appsfolder\Microsoft.MicrosoftEdge_8wekyb3d8 bbwe!MicrosoftEdge

The question is simply one of these two:
a. How to package up that old legacy Edge off our own systems, or,
b. Where to find a full offline installer for MS Edge legacy UWB.

It's important to note MS only _hides_ the legacy Edge installer when
Windows 10 Update installs the new Chrome-based Edge.
o Access Microsoft Edge Legacy after installing the new version of Microsoft Edge
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/deployedge/microsoft-edge-sysupdate-access-old-edge

That means we "should" be able to "package it up" to archive it.
o But I don't know _how_ to package up that legacy MS Edge UWB package.

I've scoured the net looking for it, but MS seems to have killed them all!

For example, this "should" have the installer, but it doesn't have it.
o Microsoft Edge Legacy download
https://download.cnet.com/Microsoft-Edge-Legacy/3000-2356_4-76442971.html

In summary, if someone knows how to archive the old Edge legacy UWB
browser, that would be a very useful capability for us Windows 10 users.

https://betanews.com/2018/07/18/down...crosoft-store/

I think that involves faking enough of the store responses, to allow
download. But the betanews doesn't go into details of actual usage.
I just can't see those files being, say, a .msi and working the
way a win32 .msi would work. The App **** is maintained by The Cloud.

Authenticity can be established by certificates and signatures.
And using SHA2 these days. But what of delivery vehicles ? Does
it only work if it's in a BITS folder ? Does BITS need a recent entry
to "prove" it was downloaded ? There's got to be some other
details regarding using whatever comes from the above.

Paul

mechanic wrote:
On Sat, 01 Aug 2020 02:18:38 -0400, nospam wrote:

that is nothing more than yet another lunatic fringe wacko conspiracy
theory.

That's as maybe, but on the other hand explain how a single strand
RNA molecule virus with thousands of base pairs evolved a protected
protein sheath with actual hooks on it to catch pipes in our
respiratory system? Every sign of an engineered product.

zoonosis

Guess what. The animal we caught that from, has lungs too.

Who knew ?

Look for the recent article on bats, to understand what happened.

https://www.discovermagazine.com/hea...ebola-and-sars

"Previous studies have shown that bats host
more zoonotic diseases than any other taxonomic order."

The article I read (no bookmark), described how their
immune system works. Their immune system doesn't "wipe out pests",
it lives with them. They have cytokine, but don't get
cytokine storms like we do. The feedback system they've
got, prevents that from happening.

Paul

On 2020-08-01 15:20, Paul wrote:
mechanic wrote:
On Sat, 01 Aug 2020 02:18:38 -0400, nospam wrote:

that is nothing more than yet another lunatic fringe wacko conspiracy
theory.

That's as maybe, but on the other hand explain how a single strand
RNA molecule virus with thousands of base pairs evolved a protected
protein sheath with actual hooks on it to catch pipes in our
respiratory system?Â* Every sign of an engineered product.

zoonosis

Guess what. The animal we caught that from, has lungs too.

Who knew ?

Look for the recent article on bats, to understand what happened.

https://www.discovermagazine.com/hea...ebola-and-sars


Â*Â* "Previous studies have shown that bats host
Â*Â*Â* more zoonotic diseases than any other taxonomic order."

The article I read (no bookmark), described how their
immune system works. Their immune system doesn't "wipe out pests",
it lives with them. They have cytokine, but don't get
cytokine storms like we do. The feedback system they've
got, prevents that from happening.

Â* Paul

I believe mechanic was speaking of the bio-weapons
lab that this escaped from. Employees were known to
have sold test animals to the wet markets rather
than disposing of them properly.

Maybe the lab got the initial virus from bat?
Blaming this on bats though is commie propaganda.

Do you know the percentage of bats that do
not have cytokine storms? In humans, 85% don't
even know the had the commie flu, so no cytokine
storm either. Sucks for the other 15%.

In article , wrote:

I believe mechanic was speaking of the bio-weapons
lab that this escaped from. Employees were known to
have sold test animals to the wet markets rather
than disposing of them properly.

Maybe the lab got the initial virus from bat?
Blaming this on bats though is commie propaganda.

utter nonsense.

you claim to want to follow science and not make it political, yet you
do exactly the opposite.