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Windows 10 Pro 2004 Install - x64 Over x86
My old computer only has USB 2.0 so it does not want to boot x64 from a
flash drive but will boot x86. I want to do a fresh install of 2004 x64. So could I install x86 and then mount the x64 iso and install it over the top? Also could I build a x86 WinPE with Rufus and the x64 ISO and be able to install x64 that way? Leaving tomorrow for a sea kayaking tour so will not be back on the computer until Wednesday. So all of you have time to mull over my questions. -- Bill Brought to you from Anchorage, Alaska |
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Windows 10 Pro 2004 Install - x64 Over x86
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Windows 10 Pro 2004 Install - x64 Over x86
Bill Bradshaw wrote:
My old computer only has USB 2.0 so it does not want to boot x64 from a flash drive but will boot x86. What does the bandwidth of a communication protocol have to do with the bitwidth of an OS? What happened when you tried? Sounds like more of a problem with the old BIOS in your old computer. See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6KgK-pPilA https://www.intowindows.com/how-to-b...ting-from-usb/ and https://neosmart.net/wiki/open-source/easybcd/ (PLoP section) Basically the "BIOS extender" is not in the BIOS firmware at all. Instead the Windows bootloader is used to present the boot menu. You select an entry for which image you want to boot (load). The Windows bootloader loads that image and transfers control to it (to then load the bootloader for that OS image). For example, when your backup program offers the option to run it at boot-time, it drops a .dat file on the hard disk containing the WinPE + backup program image, and you select that boot menu entry to load that OS and start the backup program. You still have the old Windows install on your hard disk. Only if you wipe it before getting PLoP setup then you have to do the CD method to boot an OS distro from the CD to then use the PLoP manager to boot from the USB drive -- whether it is USB 1.x, 2.0, or 3.x. |
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Windows 10 Pro 2004 Install - x64 Over x86
On 8/7/20 1:00 PM, this is what 😉 Good Guy 😉 wrote:
No you can't upgrade from 32 bit to 64 bit. No dimwit! He said "I want to do a clean install over the x86". Damn you don't read worth crap. Now the boot issue you might be right about. |
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Windows 10 Pro 2004 Install - x64 Over x86
On 2020-08-07, Big Al wrote:
On 8/7/20 1:00 PM, this is what ???? Good Guy ???? wrote: No you can't upgrade from 32 bit to 64 bit. No dimwit! He said "I want to do a clean install over the x86". Damn you don't read worth crap. Now the boot issue you might be right about. Why an extra step to install x86? Wouldn't the ms mediacreater prompts for either CD or usb media? Just try the usb install 1st if it doesn't work use the Cd; I think there will be a prompt for either clean/fresh install or "update". It's been a long ago....but the version of usb is not the problem. |
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On 8/7/20 3:34 PM, this is what lew wrote:
On 2020-08-07, Big Al wrote: On 8/7/20 1:00 PM, this is what ???? Good Guy ???? wrote: No you can't upgrade from 32 bit to 64 bit. No dimwit! He said "I want to do a clean install over the x86". Damn you don't read worth crap. Now the boot issue you might be right about. Why an extra step to install x86? Wouldn't the ms mediacreater prompts for either CD or usb media? Just try the usb install 1st if it doesn't work use the Cd; I think there will be a prompt for either clean/fresh install or "update". It's been a long ago....but the version of usb is not the problem. I don't think that's the OP's issue. He has a PC with x86 version of windows running. He wants to clean install the x64 version. Meaning he will format the drive and load a new system. So the X86 version has nothing to do with this. His real issue is the x64 copy on the thumb won't boot. As Good Guy stumbled onto, he might not have a 64 bit machine to boot that thumb drive (that might be a great drive). Al |
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Windows 10 Pro 2004 Install - x64 Over x86
On 8/7/2020 9:43 AM, Bill Bradshaw wrote:
My old computer only has USB 2.0 so it does not want to boot x64 from a flash drive but will boot x86. "Will boot X86"? No, it won't. Do you mean "Will install X86"? I want to do a fresh install of 2004 x64. So could I install x86 and then mount the x64 iso and install it over the top? Also could I build a x86 WinPE with Rufus and the x64 ISO and be able to install x64 that way? Leaving tomorrow for a sea kayaking tour so will not be back on the computer until Wednesday. So all of you have time to mull over my questions. -- Ken |
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Windows 10 Pro 2004 Install - x64 Over x86
KenW wrote:
On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 08:43:03 -0800, "Bill Bradshaw" wrote: My old computer only has USB 2.0 so it does not want to boot x64 from a flash drive but will boot x86. I want to do a fresh install of 2004 x64. So could I install x86 and then mount the x64 iso and install it over the top? Also could I build a x86 WinPE with Rufus and the x64 ISO and be able to install x64 that way? Leaving tomorrow for a sea kayaking tour so will not be back on the computer until Wednesday. So all of you have time to mull over my questions. X64 requires a clean install. It will be a clean install. Formatted with GParted. Bill |
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Windows 10 Pro 2004 Install - x64 Over x86
VanguardLH wrote:
Bill Bradshaw wrote: My old computer only has USB 2.0 so it does not want to boot x64 from a flash drive but will boot x86. What does the bandwidth of a communication protocol have to do with the bitwidth of an OS? What happened when you tried? Sounds like more of a problem with the old BIOS in your old computer. See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6KgK-pPilA https://www.intowindows.com/how-to-b...ting-from-usb/ and https://neosmart.net/wiki/open-source/easybcd/ (PLoP section) Basically the "BIOS extender" is not in the BIOS firmware at all. Instead the Windows bootloader is used to present the boot menu. You select an entry for which image you want to boot (load). The Windows bootloader loads that image and transfers control to it (to then load the bootloader for that OS image). For example, when your backup program offers the option to run it at boot-time, it drops a .dat file on the hard disk containing the WinPE + backup program image, and you select that boot menu entry to load that OS and start the backup program. You still have the old Windows install on your hard disk. Only if you wipe it before getting PLoP setup then you have to do the CD method to boot an OS distro from the CD to then use the PLoP manager to boot from the USB drive -- whether it is USB 1.x, 2.0, or 3.x. I tried to make a bootable Macrium Reflect Recovery on a CD with an x64 version and it would not boot. I had to go to a computer running x86 to make the recovery and that would boot on the old x64 computer. The DVD appears to be connected to USB internally. It must have something to do with the BIOS. Bill |
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Windows 10 Pro 2004 Install - x64 Over x86
Ken Blake wrote:
On 8/7/2020 9:43 AM, Bill Bradshaw wrote: My old computer only has USB 2.0 so it does not want to boot x64 from a flash drive but will boot x86. "Will boot X86"? No, it won't. Do you mean "Will install X86"? I want to do a fresh install of 2004 x64. So could I install x86 and then mount the x64 iso and install it over the top? Also could I build a x86 WinPE with Rufus and the x64 ISO and be able to install x64 that way? Leaving tomorrow for a sea kayaking tour so will not be back on the computer until Wednesday. So all of you have time to mull over my questions. The problem I have is it appears for some reason I can only boot from a flash drive or DVD player with media created as 32 bit. I have made x64 versions including one with RUFUS and they do not boot. It will only boot what is made with x86. What I need to do is get booted so I can run the x64 install on a clean partition. I have to go sea kayaking so this will have to wait until Wednesday or Thursday. Bill |
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Windows 10 Pro 2004 Install - x64 Over x86
Bill Bradshaw wrote:
Ken Blake wrote: On 8/7/2020 9:43 AM, Bill Bradshaw wrote: My old computer only has USB 2.0 so it does not want to boot x64 from a flash drive but will boot x86. "Will boot X86"? No, it won't. Do you mean "Will install X86"? I want to do a fresh install of 2004 x64. So could I install x86 and then mount the x64 iso and install it over the top? Also could I build a x86 WinPE with Rufus and the x64 ISO and be able to install x64 that way? Leaving tomorrow for a sea kayaking tour so will not be back on the computer until Wednesday. So all of you have time to mull over my questions. The problem I have is it appears for some reason I can only boot from a flash drive or DVD player with media created as 32 bit. I have made x64 versions including one with RUFUS and they do not boot. It will only boot what is made with x86. What I need to do is get booted so I can run the x64 install on a clean partition. I have to go sea kayaking so this will have to wait until Wednesday or Thursday. Bill You really need to get yourself a copy of Intel PIU (Processor Identification Utility), or CPU-Z or the like, then look up your CPU on ark.intel.com or over on cpu-world.com . It sounds so far, like the CPU is 32-bit only. There might have beens some processors like that on AMD socket 754. Quite a few would be AMD64, but a couple of the slower ones were 32-bit only. Why you'd go to the trouble of making 32-bit only CPUs, that's a real mystery. Verify your hardware first, before spending a lot of time making boot sticks. Paul |
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Windows 10 Pro 2004 Install - x64 Over x86
Bill Bradshaw wrote:
My old computer only has USB 2.0 so it does not want to boot x64 from a flash drive but will boot x86. I want to do a fresh install of 2004 x64. So could I install x86 and then mount the x64 iso and install it over the top? Also could I build a x86 WinPE with Rufus and the x64 ISO and be able to install x64 that way? Leaving tomorrow for a sea kayaking tour so will not be back on the computer until Wednesday. So all of you have time to mull over my questions. So I got x64 2004 installed using a 32 bit WinPE flash drive and the "/InstallFrom" command-line option. Still have not figured out why I can boot 32 bit flash drives and not x64 flash drives. I think it has something to do with BIOS versus UFI on this old computer. Will play with this in the future. Learned a lot about WinPE. -- Bill Brought to you from Anchorage, Alaska |
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