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Speed of USB sticks
Two different USB sticks, both 16GB and both formatted NTFS. One
writes about three or four times as fast as the other, using the same files. Any ideas? Could this mean the very slow one is on its way out, and is there a way of testing it? Thanks |
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Speed of USB sticks
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wrote: Two different USB sticks, both 16GB and both formatted NTFS. One writes about three or four times as fast as the other, using the same files. Any ideas? Could this mean the very slow one is on its way out, and is there a way of testing it? no. it simply means one is slower than the other. |
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Two different USB sticks, both 16GB and both formatted NTFS. One writes about three or four times as fast as the other, using the same files. Any ideas? Could this mean the very slow one is on its way out, and is there a way of testing it? USB sticks are commodity items. They should meet the specs they are required to and that's about all you can expect of them. If the slow one has gotten worse over time then maybe it's dying. Otherwise it's just different. |
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On 5/27/2018 7:45 AM, Chris wrote:
Scott wrote: Two different USB sticks, both 16GB and both formatted NTFS. One writes about three or four times as fast as the other, using the same files. Any ideas? Could this mean the very slow one is on its way out, and is there a way of testing it? USB sticks are commodity items. They should meet the specs they are required to and that's about all you can expect of them. If the slow one has gotten worse over time then maybe it's dying. Otherwise it's just different. I have not shopped for a USB stick for some years, but could they be built to different USB Standards? https://www.electronics-notes.com/ar.../standards.php The speeds vary from Mbps to Gbps -- 2018: The year we learn to play the great game of Euchre |
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On Sun, 27 May 2018 11:32:29 +0100, Scott
wrote: Two different USB sticks, both 16GB and both formatted NTFS. One writes about three or four times as fast as the other, using the same files. Any ideas? Could this mean the very slow one is on its way out, and is there a way of testing it? Thanks There are four types of USB stinks as far as I know: those using the USB 1.2 standard (slow as molasses), those using the USB 2.0 standard (acceptable for 2005, not for today), those using USB 3.0 standard (quite fast, in the range of 100MB/s) and those using the USB 3.1 standard. I don't have USB 3.1 on this laptop and haven't seen any such sticks yet but I imagine that they are insanely fast. 3.0, for my tastes, is fantastic. As such, chances are that the two sticks use different standards but there are speed differences with brands as well. For instance, my beloved 3.0 Kingston USB stick gets about 80MB/s consistently but I was told that this is slow and that others do a good 120MB/s, still at 3.0. |
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Scott wrote:
Two different USB sticks, both 16GB and both formatted NTFS. One writes about three or four times as fast as the other, using the same files. Any ideas? Could this mean the very slow one is on its way out, and is there a way of testing it? Thanks If they're "different", they could have a different Flash chip or chips, plus a different controller. On the USB3 sticks, even a cheesy USB flash key can manage 100MB/sec on reads. But there is a great variation on writes. Some will only do 10MB/sec on write or 20MB/sec on write. There are a few sticks that get closer to symmetric. Maybe you get 200MB/sec on read, and 150MB/sec on write or so. This means you have to shop around, if that kind of speed is important to you. If you use Newegg or Amazon, sometimes the spec isn't available, but a customer review will list the tested HDTune read and write performance, and "that's your spec". That's how you shop for a good one. I haven't checked on these lately, and this is what I found now. https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...9SIA12K5W43170 SanDisk 128GB Extreme Pro $79 read "up to" 420MB/s write "up to" 380MB/s And that means, after a few months it will probably be writing at 200MB/sec or so :-) The read will be a bit more consistent, and maybe hit 350MB/sec. It depends on how much sparing the stick has to do, to spare out bad sectors, as to some of the speed drop. On reads, you have to wait for error correction, if the sector is severely errored. And there's a real good chance there are TLC chips in there. Don't get too attached to the stick, because it won't last forever. USB3 performance at the high end, is sensitive to the motherboard chip. An Intel or AMD Southbridge can get closer to the true USB3 speeds, because the Southbridge has a high bandwidth path to the target. Some add-on chips, the bus connection is PCIe x1, but the bus standard might be a slower one that runs USB3 at half-rate. Even if the above stick was working properly, it would only read at slight less than 200MB/sec on my current (slow) desktop. On the other machine, I might get 260MB/sec. I don't have an Intel Southbridge with USB3 on it. One of those would get closer to the 420MB/sec number (on the first day). I don't consider the "read 100 write 10" kind to really be USB3 sticks, because of the abysmal write rate. If you go to Walmart, their solution to the problem is to only sell USB2 sticks :-/ Clever. That's what I see on the shelf here. Paul |
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On May 27, 2018, Paul wrote
(in article ): Scott wrote: Two different USB sticks, both 16GB and both formatted NTFS. One writes about three or four times as fast as the other, using the same files. Any ideas? Could this mean the very slow one is on its way out, and is there a way of testing it? Thanks If they're "different", they could have a different Flash chip or chips, plus a different controller. On the USB3 sticks, even a cheesy USB flash key can manage 100MB/sec on reads. But there is a great variation on writes. Some will only do 10MB/sec on write or 20MB/sec on write. There are a few sticks that get closer to symmetric. Maybe you get 200MB/sec on read, and 150MB/sec on write or so. This means you have to shop around, if that kind of speed is important to you. If you use Newegg or Amazon, sometimes the spec isn't available, but a customer review will list the tested HDTune read and write performance, and "that's your spec". That's how you shop for a good one. I haven't checked on these lately, and this is what I found now. https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...9SIA12K5W43170 SanDisk 128GB Extreme Pro $79 read "up to" 420MB/s write "up to" 380MB/s And that means, after a few months it will probably be writing at 200MB/sec or so :-) The read will be a bit more consistent, and maybe hit 350MB/sec. It depends on how much sparing the stick has to do, to spare out bad sectors, as to some of the speed drop. On reads, you have to wait for error correction, if the sector is severely errored. And there's a real good chance there are TLC chips in there. Don't get too attached to the stick, because it won't last forever. USB3 performance at the high end, is sensitive to the motherboard chip. An Intel or AMD Southbridge can get closer to the true USB3 speeds, because the Southbridge has a high bandwidth path to the target. Some add-on chips, the bus connection is PCIe x1, but the bus standard might be a slower one that runs USB3 at half-rate. Even if the above stick was working properly, it would only read at slight less than 200MB/sec on my current (slow) desktop. On the other machine, I might get 260MB/sec. I don't have an Intel Southbridge with USB3 on it. One of those would get closer to the 420MB/sec number (on the first day). I don't consider the "read 100 write 10" kind to really be USB3 sticks, because of the abysmal write rate. If you go to Walmart, their solution to the problem is to only sell USB2 sticks :-/ Clever. That's what I see on the shelf here. Paul That was $78 for 128 GBs of Flash. For $150 approx. YMMV you could buy a Samsung T5 500 GB SSD which used USB 3.1 via a USC-C connection to the device. They give standard USB-A and Type-C cables. It is super fast and has a low dollar / GB cost. -- Peter Kozlov |
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Scott wrote:
Two different USB sticks, both 16GB and both formatted NTFS. One writes about three or four times as fast as the other, using the same files. Any ideas? Could this mean the very slow one is on its way out, and is there a way of testing it? Oh, you want peer analysis of UNIDENTIFIED brands and models of USB flash memory. Uh huh. |
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On Sun, 27 May 2018 11:21:46 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:
Scott wrote: Two different USB sticks, both 16GB and both formatted NTFS. One writes about three or four times as fast as the other, using the same files. Any ideas? Could this mean the very slow one is on its way out, and is there a way of testing it? Oh, you want peer analysis of UNIDENTIFIED brands and models of USB flash memory. Uh huh. I am glad you have recognised this is difference between brands, from the limited information. I thought there might be other factors, such as age or variability. If it helps, the faster one is a Kingston Data Traveler 16GB. The slower one is a Toshiba TransMemory 16GB. Any analysis appreciated. |
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In article , Scott
wrote: Two different USB sticks, both 16GB and both formatted NTFS. One writes about three or four times as fast as the other, using the same files. Any ideas? Could this mean the very slow one is on its way out, and is there a way of testing it? Oh, you want peer analysis of UNIDENTIFIED brands and models of USB flash memory. Uh huh. I am glad you have recognised this is difference between brands, from the limited information. I thought there might be other factors, such as age or variability. If it helps, the faster one is a Kingston Data Traveler 16GB. The slower one is a Toshiba TransMemory 16GB. Any analysis appreciated. there's nothing to analyze. some usb sticks are faster than others. generally, the faster ones cost more than slower ones. http://usb.userbenchmark.com |
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On Sun, 27 May 2018 11:21:46 -0500, VanguardLH wrote: Scott wrote: Two different USB sticks, both 16GB and both formatted NTFS. One writes about three or four times as fast as the other, using the same files. Any ideas? Could this mean the very slow one is on its way out, and is there a way of testing it? Oh, you want peer analysis of UNIDENTIFIED brands and models of USB flash memory. Uh huh. I am glad you have recognised this is difference between brands, from the limited information. I thought there might be other factors, such as age or variability. If it helps, the faster one is a Kingston Data Traveler 16GB. The slower one is a Toshiba TransMemory 16GB. Any analysis appreciated. Not enough information. What are the USB standards? Same age? Same amount of useage? |
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On Sun, 27 May 2018 12:21:32 -0500, Paul in Houston TX
wrote: Scott wrote: On Sun, 27 May 2018 11:21:46 -0500, VanguardLH wrote: Scott wrote: Two different USB sticks, both 16GB and both formatted NTFS. One writes about three or four times as fast as the other, using the same files. Any ideas? Could this mean the very slow one is on its way out, and is there a way of testing it? Oh, you want peer analysis of UNIDENTIFIED brands and models of USB flash memory. Uh huh. I am glad you have recognised this is difference between brands, from the limited information. I thought there might be other factors, such as age or variability. If it helps, the faster one is a Kingston Data Traveler 16GB. The slower one is a Toshiba TransMemory 16GB. Any analysis appreciated. Not enough information. What are the USB standards? I don't know where to find this information. Same age? No Same amount of useage? No All I know is that one is about three times faster than the other, which seems odd to me. |
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On 27-May-2018, Scott wrote: Two different USB sticks, both 16GB and both formatted NTFS. One writes about three or four times as fast as the other, using the same files. Any ideas? Could this mean the very slow one is on its way out, and is there a way of testing it? snip If it helps, the faster one is a Kingston Data Traveler 16GB. The slower one is a Toshiba TransMemory 16GB. Any analysis appreciated. Kingston stick is USB 3.0. Theoretical speed of up to 5Gbits/second. Toshiba stick is USB 2.0 Theoretical speed of 480mbits/ second. Search is your friend (not necessarily Google). |
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On Sun, 27 May 2018 12:21:32 -0500, Paul in Houston TX wrote: If it helps, the faster one is a Kingston Data Traveler 16GB. The slower one is a Toshiba TransMemory 16GB. Any analysis appreciated. Not enough information. What are the USB standards? I don't know where to find this information. Does your computer have USB3 jacks? Are your two sticks usb 2 or 3? USB 3 jacks and sticks have 9 pins. They are usually blue. Sometimes yellow. USB 3.1 jacks are usually red. USB 2 has 4 pins. They are usually black. USB 1 is usually white. https://www.usb3.com/usb3-info.html |
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On Sun, 27 May 2018 11:21:46 -0500, VanguardLH wrote: Scott wrote: Two different USB sticks, both 16GB and both formatted NTFS. One writes about three or four times as fast as the other, using the same files. Any ideas? Could this mean the very slow one is on its way out, and is there a way of testing it? Oh, you want peer analysis of UNIDENTIFIED brands and models of USB flash memory. Uh huh. I am glad you have recognised this is difference between brands, from the limited information. I thought there might be other factors, such as age or variability. If it helps, the faster one is a Kingston Data Traveler 16GB. The slower one is a Toshiba TransMemory 16GB. Any analysis appreciated. Toshiba makes a "stable" of such sticks. Look for the part number on the stick in tiny print. https://www.bestbuy.com/site/toshiba...?skuId=3516967 # Model: PFU016B-1BLR $9 ******* These are USB2, and only the u202 lists specs for read/write. https://pc.toshiba-asia.com/storage/...cification.php https://pc.toshiba-asia.com/storage/...3/overview.php https://pc.toshiba-asia.com/storage/...2/overview.php Read: Up to 18MB/s , Write: Up to 5MB/s They make USB3, but few have specs listed. https://pc.toshiba-asia.com/storage/...cification.php Read Speed Up to 120MB/s When you're ashamed of your write speed... it shows. https://pc.toshiba-asia.com/storage/...cification.php Read Speed Up to 150MB/s Still no write speed. I'll just assume it's 10MB/sec, for safety sake. https://pc.toshiba-asia.com/storage/...cification.php Read: Up to 70MB/s https://pc.toshiba-asia.com/storage/...cification.php Read/Write Speed* 16GB - Read: Up to 130MB/s Write: Up to 25MB/s Alright, a product that's come out of moms basement, to live on its own. https://pc.toshiba-asia.com/storage/...I/overview.php Read/Write Speed* 32GB - Read: Up to 222MB/s Write: Up to 130MB/s OK then, they're getting it now. So they make one product worth owning in the USB3 camp. ******* And "Kingston Data Traveler 16GB" probably spans a few generations, and some of the early ones might not be listed in the spec table today. Picking something at random. DT100G316GB (Turns out, I have one of these, and it just says "G3" and "16GB" on the body. The connector color on mine isn't right, so perhaps this isn't the same one.) https://www.kingston.com/en/usb/pers...siness/dt100g3 No spec there. https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...9SIA12K3742665 "DT100G3/16GB $8 Read Speed up to 100MB/s Write Speed up to 10MB/s " So there we have it, yet another smoking example. The sad part is, you can pay $20 for two entirely different USB3 sticks, one with the stinky 10MB/sec write rate, and the second one actually worth owning. The price is not the sole factor of interest, if shopping at Staples, as they'll pile good and bad sticks into their "$20 range". Your job as a shopper, is to ferret out these details, and say "no" to the lame/gimp ones. This is definitely *not* an impulse buy item, due to the level of dishonesty involved. Plan your strategy at home, then go shopping. Paul |
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