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Power User within Win 7
Can someone elaborate the privileges of a Win 7 Power User. The
description given by the OS says something to the effect of "mostly for compatibility with older operating systems." The motivation for this question is some dreadfully written but necessary software that comes with Asus motherboards (at least with the X79 Deluxe boards that I'm using). The software is AI Suite 3, the utility that profiles the machine and controls fans in realtime. It starts when any user logs in. However, it can't start and produces several errors at login time for a regular (non administrator) user. I would like to do my day-to-day work as a regular user but this program seems to be ill-formed. Asus has no solution according to email interaction. Any suggestions including speculation about the Win 7 Power User group would be most appreciated. -- Jeff Barnett |
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As I understand it, Administrator in Win7 is basically
what Power User used to be. There is no such thing as a real Administrator anymore, except the optional Administrator account. That's why PU is "for compatibility". I would think that if you log in as an Administrator with UAC fully enabled you should get what you want: The software can run while you'll be restricted. "Jeff Barnett" wrote in message ... | Can someone elaborate the privileges of a Win 7 Power User. The | description given by the OS says something to the effect of "mostly for | compatibility with older operating systems." | | The motivation for this question is some dreadfully written but | necessary software that comes with Asus motherboards (at least with the | X79 Deluxe boards that I'm using). The software is AI Suite 3, the | utility that profiles the machine and controls fans in realtime. It | starts when any user logs in. However, it can't start and produces | several errors at login time for a regular (non administrator) user. I | would like to do my day-to-day work as a regular user but this program | seems to be ill-formed. Asus has no solution according to email interaction. | | Any suggestions including speculation about the Win 7 Power User group | would be most appreciated. | -- | Jeff Barnett | |
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Jeff Barnett wrote:
Can someone elaborate the privileges of a Win 7 Power User. The description given by the OS says something to the effect of "mostly for compatibility with older operating systems." The motivation for this question is some dreadfully written but necessary software that comes with Asus motherboards (at least with the X79 Deluxe boards that I'm using). The software is AI Suite 3, the utility that profiles the machine and controls fans in realtime. It starts when any user logs in. However, it can't start and produces several errors at login time for a regular (non administrator) user. I would like to do my day-to-day work as a regular user but this program seems to be ill-formed. Asus has no solution according to email interaction. Any suggestions including speculation about the Win 7 Power User group would be most appreciated. Have you tested SpeedFan ? http://www.almico.com/speedfan449.exe Paul |
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On 8/16/2014 12:18 PM, Jeff Barnett wrote:
Can someone elaborate the privileges of a Win 7 Power User. The description given by the OS says something to the effect of "mostly for compatibility with older operating systems." The motivation for this question is some dreadfully written but necessary software that comes with Asus motherboards (at least with the X79 Deluxe boards that I'm using). The software is AI Suite 3, the utility that profiles the machine and controls fans in realtime. It starts when any user logs in. However, it can't start and produces several errors at login time for a regular (non administrator) user. I would like to do my day-to-day work as a regular user but this program seems to be ill-formed. Asus has no solution according to email interaction. Any suggestions including speculation about the Win 7 Power User group would be most appreciated. You mean to have it run with Administrator privileges? Sure you can do that and still logon as a standard user. You have to be an Administrator to set it that way though. Just right click on the program in Explorer and you should find the toggle for it. -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Kingston 120GB SSD - Thunderbird v24.4.0 Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP2 |
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Paul wrote, On 8/16/2014 12:09 PM:
Jeff Barnett wrote: Can someone elaborate the privileges of a Win 7 Power User. The description given by the OS says something to the effect of "mostly for compatibility with older operating systems." The motivation for this question is some dreadfully written but necessary software that comes with Asus motherboards (at least with the X79 Deluxe boards that I'm using). The software is AI Suite 3, the utility that profiles the machine and controls fans in realtime. It starts when any user logs in. However, it can't start and produces several errors at login time for a regular (non administrator) user. I would like to do my day-to-day work as a regular user but this program seems to be ill-formed. Asus has no solution according to email interaction. Any suggestions including speculation about the Win 7 Power User group would be most appreciated. Have you tested SpeedFan ? http://www.almico.com/speedfan449.exe Hi Paul! I know about speed fan, I think. The Asus product controls fans, energy settings, power distribution, and CPU stuff in cooperation with the motherboard and the OS. You lose a bunch by not using it but there is more exposure to crapware - a word I'm tempted to use for Asus software. -- Jeff Barnett |
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BillW50 wrote, On 8/16/2014 1:19 PM:
On 8/16/2014 12:18 PM, Jeff Barnett wrote: Can someone elaborate the privileges of a Win 7 Power User. The description given by the OS says something to the effect of "mostly for compatibility with older operating systems." The motivation for this question is some dreadfully written but necessary software that comes with Asus motherboards (at least with the X79 Deluxe boards that I'm using). The software is AI Suite 3, the utility that profiles the machine and controls fans in realtime. It starts when any user logs in. However, it can't start and produces several errors at login time for a regular (non administrator) user. I would like to do my day-to-day work as a regular user but this program seems to be ill-formed. Asus has no solution according to email interaction. Any suggestions including speculation about the Win 7 Power User group would be most appreciated. You mean to have it run with Administrator privileges? Sure you can do that and still logon as a standard user. You have to be an Administrator to set it that way though. Just right click on the program in Explorer and you should find the toggle for it. It's started through the Windows scheduler on a per user basis and it was done badly. The problem isn't my starting it - I can do that via the notification area after I've logged in. The problem is that the scheduled starts are not properly privileged for an ordinary user; would have been better if Asus ran the stuff under the system account using parameters provided through interactions with an administrator. That's harder to program so they took the easy way out. -- Jeff Barnett |
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On 8/16/2014 3:49 PM, Jeff Barnett wrote:
Paul wrote, On 8/16/2014 12:09 PM: Jeff Barnett wrote: Can someone elaborate the privileges of a Win 7 Power User. The description given by the OS says something to the effect of "mostly for compatibility with older operating systems." The motivation for this question is some dreadfully written but necessary software that comes with Asus motherboards (at least with the X79 Deluxe boards that I'm using). The software is AI Suite 3, the utility that profiles the machine and controls fans in realtime. It starts when any user logs in. However, it can't start and produces several errors at login time for a regular (non administrator) user. I would like to do my day-to-day work as a regular user but this program seems to be ill-formed. Asus has no solution according to email interaction. Any suggestions including speculation about the Win 7 Power User group would be most appreciated. Have you tested SpeedFan ? http://www.almico.com/speedfan449.exe Hi Paul! I know about speed fan, I think. The Asus product controls fans, energy settings, power distribution, and CPU stuff in cooperation with the motherboard and the OS. You lose a bunch by not using it but there is more exposure to crapware - a word I'm tempted to use for Asus software. I am with you Jeff. I don't think Paul knows anything about Asus' utility. And I think SpeedFan is overrated and not really that good anyway. -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Kingston 120GB SSD - Thunderbird v24.4.0 Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP2 |
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Mayayana wrote, On 8/16/2014 11:59 AM:
As I understand it, Administrator in Win7 is basically what Power User used to be. There is no such thing as a real Administrator anymore, except the optional Administrator account. That's why PU is "for compatibility". I would think that if you log in as an Administrator with UAC fully enabled you should get what you want: The software can run while you'll be restricted. "Jeff Barnett" wrote in message ... | Can someone elaborate the privileges of a Win 7 Power User. The | description given by the OS says something to the effect of "mostly for | compatibility with older operating systems." | | The motivation for this question is some dreadfully written but | necessary software that comes with Asus motherboards (at least with the | X79 Deluxe boards that I'm using). The software is AI Suite 3, the | utility that profiles the machine and controls fans in realtime. It | starts when any user logs in. However, it can't start and produces | several errors at login time for a regular (non administrator) user. I | would like to do my day-to-day work as a regular user but this program | seems to be ill-formed. Asus has no solution according to email interaction. | | Any suggestions including speculation about the Win 7 Power User group | would be most appreciated. | -- | Jeff Barnett | It's an idea that I would grow to thoroughly despise. Think of all the useless questions I'd be asked. The problem in my mind is basic bad choices by the Asus software team. A major aspect and goal of the ACPI spec was that, with the proper drivers and device descriptions, the OS could manage power, speed, etc. Asus has taken the attitude that those using their products want to spend their life tuning. In actual fact what we went is to USE powerful computers that have management software that knows how to manage resources. Period. -- Jeff Barnett |
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On 8/16/2014 3:54 PM, Jeff Barnett wrote:
BillW50 wrote, On 8/16/2014 1:19 PM: On 8/16/2014 12:18 PM, Jeff Barnett wrote: Can someone elaborate the privileges of a Win 7 Power User. The description given by the OS says something to the effect of "mostly for compatibility with older operating systems." The motivation for this question is some dreadfully written but necessary software that comes with Asus motherboards (at least with the X79 Deluxe boards that I'm using). The software is AI Suite 3, the utility that profiles the machine and controls fans in realtime. It starts when any user logs in. However, it can't start and produces several errors at login time for a regular (non administrator) user. I would like to do my day-to-day work as a regular user but this program seems to be ill-formed. Asus has no solution according to email interaction. Any suggestions including speculation about the Win 7 Power User group would be most appreciated. You mean to have it run with Administrator privileges? Sure you can do that and still logon as a standard user. You have to be an Administrator to set it that way though. Just right click on the program in Explorer and you should find the toggle for it. It's started through the Windows scheduler on a per user basis and it was done badly. The problem isn't my starting it - I can do that via the notification area after I've logged in. The problem is that the scheduled starts are not properly privileged for an ordinary user; would have been better if Asus ran the stuff under the system account using parameters provided through interactions with an administrator. That's harder to program so they took the easy way out. I too have ran into this. Not under Windows 7 yet, but under Windows 8 big time. Things that should be running but they are not until I logon as Administrator and then run them manually (BattStat, Dimension4, and CoreTemp for example). Someday hopefully I'll figure it out. -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Kingston 120GB SSD - Thunderbird v24.4.0 Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP2 |
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BillW50 wrote:
On 8/16/2014 3:49 PM, Jeff Barnett wrote: Paul wrote, On 8/16/2014 12:09 PM: Jeff Barnett wrote: Can someone elaborate the privileges of a Win 7 Power User. The description given by the OS says something to the effect of "mostly for compatibility with older operating systems." The motivation for this question is some dreadfully written but necessary software that comes with Asus motherboards (at least with the X79 Deluxe boards that I'm using). The software is AI Suite 3, the utility that profiles the machine and controls fans in realtime. It starts when any user logs in. However, it can't start and produces several errors at login time for a regular (non administrator) user. I would like to do my day-to-day work as a regular user but this program seems to be ill-formed. Asus has no solution according to email interaction. Any suggestions including speculation about the Win 7 Power User group would be most appreciated. Have you tested SpeedFan ? http://www.almico.com/speedfan449.exe Hi Paul! I know about speed fan, I think. The Asus product controls fans, energy settings, power distribution, and CPU stuff in cooperation with the motherboard and the OS. You lose a bunch by not using it but there is more exposure to crapware - a word I'm tempted to use for Asus software. I am with you Jeff. I don't think Paul knows anything about Asus' utility. And I think SpeedFan is overrated and not really that good anyway. Before shooting off my mouth, I'd run DPCLAT and compare what Asus Suite is doing to the setup. Paul |
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On 8/16/2014 4:26 PM, Paul wrote:
BillW50 wrote: On 8/16/2014 3:49 PM, Jeff Barnett wrote: Paul wrote, On 8/16/2014 12:09 PM: Jeff Barnett wrote: Can someone elaborate the privileges of a Win 7 Power User. The description given by the OS says something to the effect of "mostly for compatibility with older operating systems." The motivation for this question is some dreadfully written but necessary software that comes with Asus motherboards (at least with the X79 Deluxe boards that I'm using). The software is AI Suite 3, the utility that profiles the machine and controls fans in realtime. It starts when any user logs in. However, it can't start and produces several errors at login time for a regular (non administrator) user. I would like to do my day-to-day work as a regular user but this program seems to be ill-formed. Asus has no solution according to email interaction. Any suggestions including speculation about the Win 7 Power User group would be most appreciated. Have you tested SpeedFan ? http://www.almico.com/speedfan449.exe Hi Paul! I know about speed fan, I think. The Asus product controls fans, energy settings, power distribution, and CPU stuff in cooperation with the motherboard and the OS. You lose a bunch by not using it but there is more exposure to crapware - a word I'm tempted to use for Asus software. I am with you Jeff. I don't think Paul knows anything about Asus' utility. And I think SpeedFan is overrated and not really that good anyway. Before shooting off my mouth, I'd run DPCLAT and compare what Asus Suite is doing to the setup. Really? And you have Asus hardware to test it? -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Kingston 120GB SSD - Thunderbird v24.4.0 Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP2 |
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BillW50 wrote, On 8/16/2014 5:08 PM:
On 8/16/2014 4:26 PM, Paul wrote: BillW50 wrote: On 8/16/2014 3:49 PM, Jeff Barnett wrote: Paul wrote, On 8/16/2014 12:09 PM: Jeff Barnett wrote: Can someone elaborate the privileges of a Win 7 Power User. The description given by the OS says something to the effect of "mostly for compatibility with older operating systems." The motivation for this question is some dreadfully written but necessary software that comes with Asus motherboards (at least with the X79 Deluxe boards that I'm using). The software is AI Suite 3, the utility that profiles the machine and controls fans in realtime. It starts when any user logs in. However, it can't start and produces several errors at login time for a regular (non administrator) user. I would like to do my day-to-day work as a regular user but this program seems to be ill-formed. Asus has no solution according to email interaction. Any suggestions including speculation about the Win 7 Power User group would be most appreciated. Have you tested SpeedFan ? http://www.almico.com/speedfan449.exe Hi Paul! I know about speed fan, I think. The Asus product controls fans, energy settings, power distribution, and CPU stuff in cooperation with the motherboard and the OS. You lose a bunch by not using it but there is more exposure to crapware - a word I'm tempted to use for Asus software. I am with you Jeff. I don't think Paul knows anything about Asus' utility. And I think SpeedFan is overrated and not really that good anyway. Before shooting off my mouth, I'd run DPCLAT and compare what Asus Suite is doing to the setup. Really? And you have Asus hardware to test it? Bill, take it easy - I believe Paul was trying to be helpful. He's provided me with much good information in the past. I would consider him fortunate in some ways if he doesn't have Asus around. Their hardware has the potential to be very good but their support and software teams leave a lot to be desired. -- Jeff Barnett |
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On 8/16/2014 6:22 PM, Jeff Barnett wrote:
BillW50 wrote, On 8/16/2014 5:08 PM: On 8/16/2014 4:26 PM, Paul wrote: BillW50 wrote: On 8/16/2014 3:49 PM, Jeff Barnett wrote: Paul wrote, On 8/16/2014 12:09 PM: Jeff Barnett wrote: Can someone elaborate the privileges of a Win 7 Power User. The description given by the OS says something to the effect of "mostly for compatibility with older operating systems." The motivation for this question is some dreadfully written but necessary software that comes with Asus motherboards (at least with the X79 Deluxe boards that I'm using). The software is AI Suite 3, the utility that profiles the machine and controls fans in realtime. It starts when any user logs in. However, it can't start and produces several errors at login time for a regular (non administrator) user. I would like to do my day-to-day work as a regular user but this program seems to be ill-formed. Asus has no solution according to email interaction. Any suggestions including speculation about the Win 7 Power User group would be most appreciated. Have you tested SpeedFan ? http://www.almico.com/speedfan449.exe Hi Paul! I know about speed fan, I think. The Asus product controls fans, energy settings, power distribution, and CPU stuff in cooperation with the motherboard and the OS. You lose a bunch by not using it but there is more exposure to crapware - a word I'm tempted to use for Asus software. I am with you Jeff. I don't think Paul knows anything about Asus' utility. And I think SpeedFan is overrated and not really that good anyway. Before shooting off my mouth, I'd run DPCLAT and compare what Asus Suite is doing to the setup. Really? And you have Asus hardware to test it? Bill, take it easy - I believe Paul was trying to be helpful. He's provided me with much good information in the past. I would consider him fortunate in some ways if he doesn't have Asus around. Their hardware has the potential to be very good but their support and software teams leave a lot to be desired. Oh no problem whatsoever. I have a huge respect for Paul. In fact I am so surprised that any human being could know so much (maybe Paul isn't really human -- maybe he is really a super computer bot or something). Although very rarely, I need to question something (yes, very rarely). This is one of those rare moments. ;-) -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Kingston 120GB SSD - Thunderbird v24.4.0 Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP2 |
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BillW50 wrote, On 8/16/2014 3:05 PM:
On 8/16/2014 3:54 PM, Jeff Barnett wrote: BillW50 wrote, On 8/16/2014 1:19 PM: On 8/16/2014 12:18 PM, Jeff Barnett wrote: Can someone elaborate the privileges of a Win 7 Power User. The description given by the OS says something to the effect of "mostly for compatibility with older operating systems." The motivation for this question is some dreadfully written but necessary software that comes with Asus motherboards (at least with the X79 Deluxe boards that I'm using). The software is AI Suite 3, the utility that profiles the machine and controls fans in realtime. It starts when any user logs in. However, it can't start and produces several errors at login time for a regular (non administrator) user. I would like to do my day-to-day work as a regular user but this program seems to be ill-formed. Asus has no solution according to email interaction. Any suggestions including speculation about the Win 7 Power User group would be most appreciated. You mean to have it run with Administrator privileges? Sure you can do that and still logon as a standard user. You have to be an Administrator to set it that way though. Just right click on the program in Explorer and you should find the toggle for it. It's started through the Windows scheduler on a per user basis and it was done badly. The problem isn't my starting it - I can do that via the notification area after I've logged in. The problem is that the scheduled starts are not properly privileged for an ordinary user; would have been better if Asus ran the stuff under the system account using parameters provided through interactions with an administrator. That's harder to program so they took the easy way out. I too have ran into this. Not under Windows 7 yet, but under Windows 8 big time. Things that should be running but they are not until I logon as Administrator and then run them manually (BattStat, Dimension4, and CoreTemp for example). Someday hopefully I'll figure it out. Something else weird is happening with the Asus crapwa it's changing power profiles (the kind you adjust from the control panel). It thinks that it is in its bailiwick to decide how long the monitor stays on and how long before sleep! I am trying to redefine such things as the "high performance" profile (from Windows or from Asus) to match my preferences so my computer will go to sleep by my druthers rather than theirs. The more I subtract Asus software and support from hardware, the more I'm heading for a negative result. I haven't written my reviews yet. I'm delaying until I better understand what is actually happening under the hood. I'm also delaying Windows activation until that point in case I change enough to mess up OEM licenses. -- Jeff Barnett |
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"Jeff Barnett" wrote in message ... BillW50 wrote, On 8/16/2014 3:05 PM: On 8/16/2014 3:54 PM, Jeff Barnett wrote: BillW50 wrote, On 8/16/2014 1:19 PM: On 8/16/2014 12:18 PM, Jeff Barnett wrote: Can someone elaborate the privileges of a Win 7 Power User. The description given by the OS says something to the effect of "mostly for compatibility with older operating systems." The motivation for this question is some dreadfully written but necessary software that comes with Asus motherboards (at least with the X79 Deluxe boards that I'm using). The software is AI Suite 3, the utility that profiles the machine and controls fans in realtime. It starts when any user logs in. However, it can't start and produces several errors at login time for a regular (non administrator) user. I would like to do my day-to-day work as a regular user but this program seems to be ill-formed. Asus has no solution according to email interaction. Any suggestions including speculation about the Win 7 Power User group would be most appreciated. You mean to have it run with Administrator privileges? Sure you can do that and still logon as a standard user. You have to be an Administrator to set it that way though. Just right click on the program in Explorer and you should find the toggle for it. It's started through the Windows scheduler on a per user basis and it was done badly. The problem isn't my starting it - I can do that via the notification area after I've logged in. The problem is that the scheduled starts are not properly privileged for an ordinary user; would have been better if Asus ran the stuff under the system account using parameters provided through interactions with an administrator. That's harder to program so they took the easy way out. I too have ran into this. Not under Windows 7 yet, but under Windows 8 big time. Things that should be running but they are not until I logon as Administrator and then run them manually (BattStat, Dimension4, and CoreTemp for example). Someday hopefully I'll figure it out. Something else weird is happening with the Asus crapwa it's changing power profiles (the kind you adjust from the control panel). It thinks that it is in its bailiwick to decide how long the monitor stays on and how long before sleep! I am trying to redefine such things as the "high performance" profile (from Windows or from Asus) to match my preferences so my computer will go to sleep by my druthers rather than theirs. The more I subtract Asus software and support from hardware, the more I'm heading for a negative result. I haven't written my reviews yet. I'm delaying until I better understand what is actually happening under the hood. I'm also delaying Windows activation until that point in case I change enough to mess up OEM licenses. -- Jeff Barnett Jeff, I currently have two ASUS motherboards that came with AI Suite, and haven't used the program since day 1, when I just wanted to see what it did. The average user doesn't need the control and information that this program provides. Since you're using it, I guess you have a need for it, but unless your machine is overclocked, there really isn't much reason to have it installed. That all being said, here is a link to a forum thread at Tom's Hardware, which might be of help: http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/...tup-start.html |
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