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Windows Backup to a TAPE Drive
HI there,
I am trying to schedule my server to backup one data folder at a daily time to a tape drive. I have gone through and set up the schedule and I can actually look at the backup calendar and the event is scheduled daily as it should be. But when the time comes and goes, nothing happens, no backup, nothing. If I select the folder and perform the backup manually, then it works just fine everytime. Just not when I schedule a time for the backup later. I can tell you that the drive and the SCSI controller are working fine and there are no conflicts at all. Any Help would be great. Thanks, Dave |
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"Leythos" wrote in message
news | On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 12:37:05 -0800, Dave wrote: | || HI there, || || I am trying to schedule my server to backup one data folder at a daily time || to a tape drive. I have gone through and set up the schedule and I can || actually look at the backup calendar and the event is scheduled daily as it || should be. But when the time comes and goes, nothing happens, no backup, || nothing. If I select the folder and perform the backup manually, then it || works just fine everytime. Just not when I schedule a time for the backup || later. I can tell you that the drive and the SCSI controller are working || fine and there are no conflicts at all. Any Help would be great. | | If you run the job manually, while logged in, does it run? | | When you say server, do you mean an actual Windows 2000/2003 server or are | you talking about Windows XP (which is not a server)? | | What backup software are you using? | | | | -- | | remove 999 in order to email me To add to Leythos' questions... Have you supplied an account & password with sufficient rights to the scheduled task to perform both the task and to perform the backup ? -- Dave |
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Thanks for responding, Leythos. To answer your questions, yes, when I run
the job manually, it will backup to the tape just fine. I have even tried different tapes, but that makes no difference. This PC is running Windows XP pro and the software I and using for the backup is simply the Windows Backup Software that I installed from the Windows XP Pro Disk. Like I said before, the scheduled time comes and goes for the backup and nothing happens. Thanks for your help in advance. Dave "Leythos" wrote: On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 12:37:05 -0800, Dave wrote: HI there, I am trying to schedule my server to backup one data folder at a daily time to a tape drive. I have gone through and set up the schedule and I can actually look at the backup calendar and the event is scheduled daily as it should be. But when the time comes and goes, nothing happens, no backup, nothing. If I select the folder and perform the backup manually, then it works just fine everytime. Just not when I schedule a time for the backup later. I can tell you that the drive and the SCSI controller are working fine and there are no conflicts at all. Any Help would be great. If you run the job manually, while logged in, does it run? When you say server, do you mean an actual Windows 2000/2003 server or are you talking about Windows XP (which is not a server)? What backup software are you using? -- remove 999 in order to email me |
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It's usually related to having a different tape in the drive than NTBackup
expects. If you are using NTBackup it works better if you run it from a script and use the /um parameter. Here's an example: ntbackup backup systemstate @c:\backups\daily.bks /v:yes /hcn /m normal /l:s /p "4mm DDS" /um Warning this will erase the tape. You'll have to modify some of the parameters to match your drive and system and what you want to backup. Kerry Brown KDB Systems "Dave" wrote in message news HI there, I am trying to schedule my server to backup one data folder at a daily time to a tape drive. I have gone through and set up the schedule and I can actually look at the backup calendar and the event is scheduled daily as it should be. But when the time comes and goes, nothing happens, no backup, nothing. If I select the folder and perform the backup manually, then it works just fine everytime. Just not when I schedule a time for the backup later. I can tell you that the drive and the SCSI controller are working fine and there are no conflicts at all. Any Help would be great. Thanks, Dave |
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Thanks for the post, Kerry. OK, That makes sense to an extent. Now how do I
implement this script? I see that I could probably just copy and past what you have there and make a few modifications tailerd to my system. The folder (and successive files) that I want to backup is located at C:\Alta and I want to perform the backup daily at 10:00PM. Any clues on a script for that or what it might entail to implement one? Thanks for your help! Dave "Kerry Brown" wrote: It's usually related to having a different tape in the drive than NTBackup expects. If you are using NTBackup it works better if you run it from a script and use the /um parameter. Here's an example: ntbackup backup systemstate @c:\backups\daily.bks /v:yes /hcn /m normal /l:s /p "4mm DDS" /um Warning this will erase the tape. You'll have to modify some of the parameters to match your drive and system and what you want to backup. Kerry Brown KDB Systems "Dave" wrote in message news HI there, I am trying to schedule my server to backup one data folder at a daily time to a tape drive. I have gone through and set up the schedule and I can actually look at the backup calendar and the event is scheduled daily as it should be. But when the time comes and goes, nothing happens, no backup, nothing. If I select the folder and perform the backup manually, then it works just fine everytime. Just not when I schedule a time for the backup later. I can tell you that the drive and the SCSI controller are working fine and there are no conflicts at all. Any Help would be great. Thanks, Dave |
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Yes, the user profile is set at administrator level and the password I just
left blank. Any other ideas? "David H. Lipman" wrote: "Leythos" wrote in message news | On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 12:37:05 -0800, Dave wrote: | || HI there, || || I am trying to schedule my server to backup one data folder at a daily time || to a tape drive. I have gone through and set up the schedule and I can || actually look at the backup calendar and the event is scheduled daily as it || should be. But when the time comes and goes, nothing happens, no backup, || nothing. If I select the folder and perform the backup manually, then it || works just fine everytime. Just not when I schedule a time for the backup || later. I can tell you that the drive and the SCSI controller are working || fine and there are no conflicts at all. Any Help would be great. | | If you run the job manually, while logged in, does it run? | | When you say server, do you mean an actual Windows 2000/2003 server or are | you talking about Windows XP (which is not a server)? | | What backup software are you using? | | | | -- | | remove 999 in order to email me To add to Leythos' questions... Have you supplied an account & password with sufficient rights to the scheduled task to perform both the task and to perform the backup ? -- Dave |
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"Dave" wrote in message
| Yes, the user profile is set at administrator level and the password I just | left blank. Any other ideas? | Well that's it ! You have to supply the name of an administrative account or the the "administrator" account and provide the password of the account. Without it the job can not start. -- Dave |
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Thanks again for the help, Dave. I am a little confused. I can see where
this would password issue be a problem, for sure. First I will give you a little information here. There is only one user account set up on this install of Windows XP Pro and it is named "User" without the quotes. I set it to log on automatically without any sort of password. The "User" account has administrative priveleges. My Computer Name for the Network is "SERVER" without the quotes. Where I am confused is this: When I create the scheduled backup, it asks to "set account information" and the "Run As:" is set to SERVER\User. And I leave the password and confirm password areas blank. Now From what you are saying, is this right? Or do I need to change something there? Thanks for your help, again. Dave "David H. Lipman" wrote: "Dave" wrote in message | Yes, the user profile is set at administrator level and the password I just | left blank. Any other ideas? | Well that's it ! You have to supply the name of an administrative account or the the "administrator" account and provide the password of the account. Without it the job can not start. -- Dave |
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"Dave" wrote in message
| Thanks again for the help, Dave. I am a little confused. I can see where | this would password issue be a problem, for sure. First I will give you a | little information here. There is only one user account set up on this | install of Windows XP Pro and it is named "User" without the quotes. I set | it to log on automatically without any sort of password. The "User" account | has administrative priveleges. My Computer Name for the Network is "SERVER" | without the quotes. Where I am confused is this: When I create the | scheduled backup, it asks to "set account information" and the "Run As:" is | set to SERVER\User. And I leave the password and confirm password areas | blank. Now From what you are saying, is this right? Or do I need to change | something there? Thanks for your help, again. | | Dave Then there are TWO accounts on WinXP Pro... (unless there is something phunky on WinXP Pro when not on a Domain) Administrator user Provide the administrator account with a password and setup the scheduled task to use that account and password. In addition *all* accounts should use passwords. Not doing so is asking for problems. -- Dave |
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"Dave" wrote in message
... Thanks for the post, Kerry. OK, That makes sense to an extent. Now how do I implement this script? I see that I could probably just copy and past what you have there and make a few modifications tailerd to my system. The folder (and successive files) that I want to backup is located at C:\Alta and I want to perform the backup daily at 10:00PM. Any clues on a script for that or what it might entail to implement one? Thanks for your help! Your welcome. Try these links for some more information. You would just save the file as something like DAILYBACKUP.CMD and then run that from the task scheduler. As others have said make sure you have the task running as a user with appropriate permissions. I usually make a special backup user and give them explicit read only permissions for the needed files and a strong password. For some reason the built in Backup Operators group doesn't always work. It took me a few hours the first time I set it up this way but it allows a lot more options than the gui. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/h...e_examples.asp http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=314844 Kerry Brown KDB Systems |
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"Dave" wrote in message
... Thanks for the post, Kerry. OK, That makes sense to an extent. Now how do I implement this script? I see that I could probably just copy and past what you have there and make a few modifications tailerd to my system. The folder (and successive files) that I want to backup is located at C:\Alta and I want to perform the backup daily at 10:00PM. Any clues on a script for that or what it might entail to implement one? Thanks for your help! One more thing after reading the other replies. I don't think the task scheduler will use an account with no password. My memory is fuzzy but I kind of remember that from somewhere. If I'm wrong I'm sure someone will let us know :-) Kerry Brown KDB Systems |
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I typed "scheduled task" in help and support, this is just 1 piece of information that was returned:
Setting user credentials When you create a task, you are asked to provide a user name and a password. This provides a more secure way for you to manage the tasks that run on your computer. Different users of a single computer can each have their own scheduled tasks. Once a user name is set, another user cannot cancel or delete the task unless the user has the correct permissions. Notes a.. You must enter a user name in the Scheduled Task Wizard before you can finish scheduling a task. b.. If you do not enter a password, an error appears at the end of the wizard telling you that the task might not run. If you leave the password blank and you want the task to run when you are logged on, open the task. On the Task tab, select the Run only if logged on check box. The task will run at its scheduled time when the user who created the task is logged on to the computer. c.. You can change or set a new password by selecting the Open advanced properties for this task when I click Finish check box on the final page of the wizard. -- Just my 2¢ worth, Jeff __________In response to__________ "Dave" wrote in message ... | Thanks again for the help, Dave. I am a little confused. I can see where | this would password issue be a problem, for sure. First I will give you a | little information here. There is only one user account set up on this | install of Windows XP Pro and it is named "User" without the quotes. I set | it to log on automatically without any sort of password. The "User" account | has administrative priveleges. My Computer Name for the Network is "SERVER" | without the quotes. Where I am confused is this: When I create the | scheduled backup, it asks to "set account information" and the "Run As:" is | set to SERVER\User. And I leave the password and confirm password areas | blank. Now From what you are saying, is this right? Or do I need to change | something there? Thanks for your help, again. | | Dave |
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Hey Dave,
Setting a password seemed to work just fine to kick-start the scheduled backups. So thank you for that info. However, I have a new question. To double check that it would run at the scheduled time, I altered the the scheduled time for the backup to run for a few minutes ahead of the current time. Again, the scheduled backup kicked on at the appropriate time and it stated it was mounting the volume. It did this for about 5-10 seconds and then the screen went away? So it seems that it did not replace the original backup that I was made before the second attempt, (I tried several variations after the second attempt with the same results). Here is how I have the backup setup under Job Summary: Normal Backup. Full Log. Verify Data. Use Hardware Compression. Do Not Restrict Access to owner or Administrator. Some File Types excluded. Replace Data on Media. Use Media Named 'ALTABACKUP created 3/2/2005 at 9:30PM'. Use media Name 'ALTABACKUP created 3/2/2005 at 9:30pm'. Use set description 'ALTABACKUP created 3/2/2005 at 9:30 PM'. Now I have tried Using Copy Backup as well and that did nothing to change the backups made after the first one. Any Thoughts on why this is? Again, it kicks on like it is starting the backup, but then just stops after about 10 seconds. You can see the access light go on for about 4-5 seconds and that is it. What am I missing? Thanks for your time. Dave "David H. Lipman" wrote: "Dave" wrote in message | Thanks again for the help, Dave. I am a little confused. I can see where | this would password issue be a problem, for sure. First I will give you a | little information here. There is only one user account set up on this | install of Windows XP Pro and it is named "User" without the quotes. I set | it to log on automatically without any sort of password. The "User" account | has administrative priveleges. My Computer Name for the Network is "SERVER" | without the quotes. Where I am confused is this: When I create the | scheduled backup, it asks to "set account information" and the "Run As:" is | set to SERVER\User. And I leave the password and confirm password areas | blank. Now From what you are saying, is this right? Or do I need to change | something there? Thanks for your help, again. | | Dave Then there are TWO accounts on WinXP Pro... (unless there is something phunky on WinXP Pro when not on a Domain) Administrator user Provide the administrator account with a password and setup the scheduled task to use that account and password. In addition *all* accounts should use passwords. Not doing so is asking for problems. -- Dave |
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Hey Kerry,
Setting a password seemed to work just fine to kick-start the scheduled backups. So thank you and Dave for that info. However, I have a new question. To double check that it would run at the scheduled time, I altered the the scheduled time for the backup to run for a few minutes ahead of the current time. Again, the scheduled backup kicked on at the appropriate time and it stated it was mounting the volume. It did this for about 5-10 seconds and then the screen went away whereas the initial scheduled backup showed the backup progress as well as the verification of files being backed-up. So it seems that the second attempt did not replace the original backup that I made before the second attempt, (I tried several variations after the second attempt with the same results). Here is how I have the backup setup under Job Summary: Normal Backup. Full Log. Verify Data. Use Hardware Compression. Do Not Restrict Access to owner or Administrator. Some File Types excluded. Replace Data on Media. Use Media Named 'ALTABACKUP created 3/2/2005 at 9:30PM'. Use media Name 'ALTABACKUP created 3/2/2005 at 9:30pm'. Use set description 'ALTABACKUP created 3/2/2005 at 9:30 PM'. Now I have tried Using Copy Backup as well and that did nothing to change the backups made after the first one. Any Thoughts on why this is? Again, it kicks on like it is starting the backup, but then just stops after about 10 seconds. You can see the access light go on for about 4-5 seconds and that is it. What am I missing? Thanks for your time. Dave "Kerry Brown" wrote: "Dave" wrote in message ... Thanks for the post, Kerry. OK, That makes sense to an extent. Now how do I implement this script? I see that I could probably just copy and past what you have there and make a few modifications tailerd to my system. The folder (and successive files) that I want to backup is located at C:\Alta and I want to perform the backup daily at 10:00PM. Any clues on a script for that or what it might entail to implement one? Thanks for your help! One more thing after reading the other replies. I don't think the task scheduler will use an account with no password. My memory is fuzzy but I kind of remember that from somewhere. If I'm wrong I'm sure someone will let us know :-) Kerry Brown KDB Systems |
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Setting a password seemed to work just fine to kick-start the scheduled
backups. So thank you and Dave for that info. However, I have a new question. To double check that it would run at the scheduled time, I altered the the scheduled time for the backup to run for a few minutes ahead of the current time. Again, the scheduled backup kicked on at the appropriate time and it stated it was mounting the volume. It did this for about 5-10 seconds and then the screen went away whereas the initial scheduled backup showed the backup progress as well as the verification of files being backed-up. So it seems that the second attempt did not replace the original backup that I made before the second attempt, (I tried several variations after the second attempt with the same results). Here is how I have the backup setup under Job Summary: Normal Backup. Full Log. Verify Data. Use Hardware Compression. Do Not Restrict Access to owner or Administrator. Some File Types excluded. Replace Data on Media. Use Media Named 'ALTABACKUP created 3/2/2005 at 9:30PM'. Use media Name 'ALTABACKUP created 3/2/2005 at 9:30pm'. Use set description 'ALTABACKUP created 3/2/2005 at 9:30 PM'. Now I have tried Using Copy Backup as well and that did nothing to change the backups made after the first one. Any Thoughts on why this is? Again, it kicks on like it is starting the backup, but then just stops after about 10 seconds. You can see the access light go on for about 4-5 seconds and that is it. What am I missing? Thanks for your time. Dave It's probably something to do with the removable storage manager. I must confess I've never really understood how RSM works and why it does things the way it does. That's why I just setup a cmd file and do unattended backups that way with ntbackup. The command line switches let you force ntbackup to work the way you want it to, not the way RSM wants to. For anything other than very basic backups you should be looking to 3rd party software. Kerry Brown KDB Systems |
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