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Old May 11th 18, 04:45 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Ed Cryer
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I've been sorting out a box of old discs from twenty years ago, Windows
95 days. There were about a hundred in two CD wallets, stored in a back
bedroom, unheated in winter. Ten of them I kept, and I've been examining
these on this Win7 computer.
Everything I've tried is readable, utterly readable and executable; and
that includes CD-Rs and DVD-Rs burnt elsewhere.
¡Viva Win7! ¡Y vivant discos viejos!

Ed
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Old May 11th 18, 07:20 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Paul[_32_]
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Ed Cryer wrote:
I've been sorting out a box of old discs from twenty years ago, Windows
95 days. There were about a hundred in two CD wallets, stored in a back
bedroom, unheated in winter. Ten of them I kept, and I've been examining
these on this Win7 computer.
Everything I've tried is readable, utterly readable and executable; and
that includes CD-Rs and DVD-Rs burnt elsewhere.
¡Viva Win7! ¡Y vivant discos viejos!

Ed


Some of the older re-writeable discs weren't that stable.
I had one Memorex CDRW disc that went "transparent" in
about three months. Of course Memorex doesn't make the
media, and just bought lots of blanks from the lowest
bidder. Verbatim on the other hand, seemed to test what
they were selling, and the media tags would indicate
quality sources for the discs. Quality sources
might be Taiyo Yuden or Ritek.

There used to be two forums that did nothing but
discuss optical discs and burning, and you could
get good info there on which medias were good and
bad, as they'd do error scans to see which is which.

*******

The write-once stuff should be more stable.

There's no reason a -R won't work.

It has a lot to do with chemistry.

Paul
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Old May 11th 18, 08:49 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Ed Cryer
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Paul wrote:
Ed Cryer wrote:
I've been sorting out a box of old discs from twenty years ago,
Windows 95 days. There were about a hundred in two CD wallets, stored
in a back bedroom, unheated in winter. Ten of them I kept, and I've
been examining these on this Win7 computer.
Everything I've tried is readable, utterly readable and executable;
and that includes CD-Rs and DVD-Rs burnt elsewhere.
¡Viva Win7! ¡Y vivant discos viejos!

Ed


Some of the older re-writeable discs weren't that stable.
I had one Memorex CDRW disc that went "transparent" in
about three months. Of course Memorex doesn't make the
media, and just bought lots of blanks from the lowest
bidder. Verbatim on the other hand, seemed to test what
they were selling, and the media tags would indicate
quality sources for the discs. Quality sources
might be Taiyo Yuden or Ritek.

There used to be two forums that did nothing but
discuss optical discs and burning, and you could
get good info there on which medias were good and
bad, as they'd do error scans to see which is which.

*******

The write-once stuff should be more stable.

There's no reason a -R won't work.

It has a lot to do with chemistry.

Â*Â* Paul


Have you ever seen "Logan's Run"? I was impressed by the spinning
storage discs, and it made me think about ancient papyrus, vellum, paper.
Medieval monks had a bad habit of reusing classical manuscripts, after
scraping them. Modern technology is finding all kinds of things behind
psalters and prayer-books. Boccaccio and Petrarch wrote about well-worn
paths between monastery libraries and the scriptoria. Umberto Eco's "The
Name of The Rose" revolves around something similar. Euripides wrote 95
plays, and 18 survive; while many famous Greek and Roman writers survive
by one manuscript alone, often dug up in some place where there was an
earthquake or eruption.

Still, I guess that paper has greater longevity than laser-burnt discs.

Ed
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Old May 16th 18, 07:55 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Ed Cryer news Fri, 11 May 2018 19:49:28 GMT in alt.windows7.general, wrote:

[snip]

Have you ever seen "Logan's Run"? I was impressed by the spinning
storage discs, and it made me think about ancient papyrus, vellum,
paper. Medieval monks had a bad habit of reusing classical
manuscripts, after scraping them. Modern technology is finding all
kinds of things behind psalters and prayer-books. Boccaccio and
Petrarch wrote about well-worn paths between monastery libraries
and the scriptoria. Umberto Eco's "The Name of The Rose" revolves
around something similar. Euripides wrote 95 plays, and 18
survive; while many famous Greek and Roman writers survive by one
manuscript alone, often dug up in some place where there was an
earthquake or eruption.

Still, I guess that paper has greater longevity than laser-burnt
discs.


Even if the laser-burnt disc had the same or better longevity than
various kinds of paper?, who's to say, a few thousand years (or even
a few hundred years from now) anyone would have the necessary
equipment in working condition that could actually do something
useful with the disc made centuries before?

Atleast with the present discoveries from long ago, it's text or
something else somebody today can read and understand. It doesn't
require hardware and software from the age of that writing or
knowledge of such to do it.



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Old May 16th 18, 04:06 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Ed Cryer
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Diesel wrote:
Ed Cryer news Fri, 11 May 2018 19:49:28 GMT in alt.windows7.general, wrote:

[snip]

Have you ever seen "Logan's Run"? I was impressed by the spinning
storage discs, and it made me think about ancient papyrus, vellum,
paper. Medieval monks had a bad habit of reusing classical
manuscripts, after scraping them. Modern technology is finding all
kinds of things behind psalters and prayer-books. Boccaccio and
Petrarch wrote about well-worn paths between monastery libraries
and the scriptoria. Umberto Eco's "The Name of The Rose" revolves
around something similar. Euripides wrote 95 plays, and 18
survive; while many famous Greek and Roman writers survive by one
manuscript alone, often dug up in some place where there was an
earthquake or eruption.

Still, I guess that paper has greater longevity than laser-burnt
discs.


Even if the laser-burnt disc had the same or better longevity than
various kinds of paper?, who's to say, a few thousand years (or even
a few hundred years from now) anyone would have the necessary
equipment in working condition that could actually do something
useful with the disc made centuries before?

Atleast with the present discoveries from long ago, it's text or
something else somebody today can read and understand. It doesn't
require hardware and software from the age of that writing or
knowledge of such to do it.




Can you think of any technology of the past that's now incomprehensible?
I know that people have claimed there is (like Erich von Däniken in his
"Chariots of the gods". Space alien technology!). But they've all been
debunked on further investigation. Things like the Egyptians knowing
about pi, having used batteries; Archimedes having used lasers in the
3rd c. BC. How the ancient Brits moved the megaliths of Stonehenge all
that way; the Romans using concrete under water (see here for the
latter;
https://www.nature.com/news/seawater...ncrete-1.22231)

We know how to make waterwheels, Archimedean screws, Roman ballistas,
Greek fire, pulleys, etc.

Ed

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Old May 16th 18, 08:31 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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Default OT; old CDs and DVDs

In message , Ed Cryer
writes:
Diesel wrote:
Ed Cryer news Fri, 11 May 2018 19:49:28 GMT in alt.windows7.general, wrote:
[snip]

Have you ever seen "Logan's Run"? I was impressed by the spinning
storage discs, and it made me think about ancient papyrus, vellum,
paper. Medieval monks had a bad habit of reusing classical
manuscripts, after scraping them. Modern technology is finding all
kinds of things behind psalters and prayer-books. Boccaccio and
Petrarch wrote about well-worn paths between monastery libraries
and the scriptoria. Umberto Eco's "The Name of The Rose" revolves
around something similar. Euripides wrote 95 plays, and 18
survive; while many famous Greek and Roman writers survive by one
manuscript alone, often dug up in some place where there was an
earthquake or eruption.

Still, I guess that paper has greater longevity than laser-burnt
discs.


Paper, or Vellum?

It's probably too soon to say for laser-burnt media. We know plenty of
them that _haven't_ survived, but those are due to poor storage,
manufacturing faults, poor burning, and so on; there are lots that
_have_ survived so far.

Even if the laser-burnt disc had the same or better longevity than
various kinds of paper?, who's to say, a few thousand years (or even
a few hundred years from now) anyone would have the necessary
equipment in working condition that could actually do something
useful with the disc made centuries before?


Well, the paper (or marks in stone) we don't have the "equipment" -
knowledge - to "read" a lot of it. Before the discovery of the Rosetta
Stone (not just a pop group!), we weren't able to read (I think it was)
two languages, even though the media survived.

On the other hand, doesn't need to be a few hundred years: I doubt most
early disc packs are now readable; floppies, especially pre-PC; tape
backup; ZIP discs; minidiscs ... the BBC Domesday project (used
laserdiscs) ... early video recordings ...

Atleast with the present discoveries from long ago, it's text or
something else somebody today can read and understand. It doesn't


"Somebody" - maybe. Maybe one or two people in the world: maybe none.

require hardware and software from the age of that writing or
knowledge of such to do it.


Can you think of any technology of the past that's now
incomprehensible?


I've listed a few above. OK, you _might_ be able to find equipment for
some of them. But some of them are getting hard to find - especially the
Domesday project and early videotapes.

I know that people have claimed there is (like Erich von Däniken in his
"Chariots of the gods". Space alien technology!). But they've all been
debunked on further investigation. Things like the Egyptians knowing
about pi, having used batteries;


(I was wondering how having used batteries would help them know about
pi, then I realised what you meant!)

Archimedes having used lasers in the 3rd c. BC. How the ancient Brits
moved the megaliths of Stonehenge all that way; the Romans using
concrete under water (see here for the latter;
https://www.nature.com/news/seawater...-lasting-roman
-concrete-1.22231)

We know how to make waterwheels, Archimedean screws, Roman ballistas,
Greek fire, pulleys, etc.


But not to read a cassette recorded by a home computer of the 1980s (-:

Ed

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Old May 12th 18, 03:39 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Ant[_2_]
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Paul wrote:
Ed Cryer wrote:
I've been sorting out a box of old discs from twenty years ago, Windows
95 days. There were about a hundred in two CD wallets, stored in a back
bedroom, unheated in winter. Ten of them I kept, and I've been examining
these on this Win7 computer.
Everything I've tried is readable, utterly readable and executable; and
that includes CD-Rs and DVD-Rs burnt elsewhere.
¡Viva Win7! ¡Y vivant discos viejos!

Ed


Some of the older re-writeable discs weren't that stable.
I had one Memorex CDRW disc that went "transparent" in
about three months. Of course Memorex doesn't make the
media, and just bought lots of blanks from the lowest
bidder. Verbatim on the other hand, seemed to test what
they were selling, and the media tags would indicate
quality sources for the discs. Quality sources
might be Taiyo Yuden or Ritek.


There used to be two forums that did nothing but
discuss optical discs and burning, and you could
get good info there on which medias were good and
bad, as they'd do error scans to see which is which.


Were http://www.cdmediaworld.com and
http://www.digitalfaq.com/reviews/dvd-media.htm the ones?


*******


The write-once stuff should be more stable.


There's no reason a -R won't work.


It has a lot to do with chemistry.


Memorex was an awful brand to me.

I have more problems with burnable DVDs. Many readers can't read my
burned DVDs compared to CDs!

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Old May 12th 18, 07:16 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Paul[_32_]
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Ant wrote:


Were http://www.cdmediaworld.com and
http://www.digitalfaq.com/reviews/dvd-media.htm the ones?


One of them was called cdfreaks, but they changed the site name.
It has reviews and a forum.

https://www.myce.com/review/Plextor-...ing-dvdr_rw-5/

This is another that comes to mind.

http://www.cdrlabs.com/forums/

One thing you'll notice, is they don't seem to care about
their original topics all that much, as burning of optical
media has dropped in popularity. It's also one of the reasons
that my single remaining computer store is stocking "crap"
for media. The Ritek is gone.

Paul
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Old May 12th 18, 06:58 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Char Jackson
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On Sat, 12 May 2018 02:16:14 -0400, Paul wrote:

Ant wrote:


Were http://www.cdmediaworld.com and
http://www.digitalfaq.com/reviews/dvd-media.htm the ones?


One of them was called cdfreaks, but they changed the site name.
It has reviews and a forum.

https://www.myce.com/review/Plextor-...ing-dvdr_rw-5/

This is another that comes to mind.

http://www.cdrlabs.com/forums/

One thing you'll notice, is they don't seem to care about
their original topics all that much, as burning of optical
media has dropped in popularity. It's also one of the reasons
that my single remaining computer store is stocking "crap"
for media. The Ritek is gone.


It's almost surprising that they stock any optical media at all. I can't
imagine there's much of a market for it these days.

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Old May 12th 18, 09:46 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On 05/12/2018 12:58 PM, Char Jackson wrote:

[snip]

It's almost surprising that they stock any optical media at all. I can't
imagine there's much of a market for it these days.


I always see DVD+R at the local Wal-Mart, in spindles of 100 and
sometimes smaller packages as well. They may be putting less out than
they used to, but there's always some there.

BTW, I completely forgot the last time I saw blank T-120 (VHS) or L-750
(Beta) tapes there.

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Old May 16th 18, 07:55 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
Diesel
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Char Jackson
Sat, 12 May 2018
17:58:14 GMT in alt.windows7.general, wrote:

On Sat, 12 May 2018 02:16:14 -0400, Paul
wrote:

Ant wrote:


Were http://www.cdmediaworld.com and
http://www.digitalfaq.com/reviews/dvd-media.htm the ones?


One of them was called cdfreaks, but they changed the site name.
It has reviews and a forum.

https://www.myce.com/review/Plextor-...der-68/writing
-dvdr_rw-5/

This is another that comes to mind.

http://www.cdrlabs.com/forums/

One thing you'll notice, is they don't seem to care about
their original topics all that much, as burning of optical
media has dropped in popularity. It's also one of the reasons
that my single remaining computer store is stocking "crap"
for media. The Ritek is gone.


It's almost surprising that they stock any optical media at all. I
can't imagine there's much of a market for it these days.


There's still some. I still use dvd-r media for the most part, but,
will still make use of an actual cd-r when it's called for. For
example, not everyone owns a stereo system that can read a data disc
full of mp3s and decode them for playback. Some people actually still
own (and see no reason to ditch unless it dies) actual audio cd only
players. And, for these people, a cd-r is the perfect media. [g]

I also use the writable media for making read only iso/non iso copies
of various things too. I try to keep atleast 100 of each on hand at
any given time. There's one place that isn't too far a drive that
still stocks writable media for a fair price. I've known the owner
and the people who work there for years.

For the purposes of integrity, If I'm working an infected machine in
a live state, I'm purposely using tools provided via a read only
source. It's an old habit and probably not necessary with todays crop
of malware since it's not really worm/virus like in nature, but...I
still catch myself taking those precautions. Pretty obvious I don't
trust the very machines I love so much isn't it? [g] I don't trust
them, because, like many others, I know how they work. rofl.


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Old May 13th 18, 06:31 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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In article , lid says...

Ed Cryer wrote:
I've been sorting out a box of old discs from twenty years ago, Windows
95 days. There were about a hundred in two CD wallets, stored in a back
bedroom, unheated in winter. Ten of them I kept, and I've been examining
these on this Win7 computer.
Everything I've tried is readable, utterly readable and executable; and
that includes CD-Rs and DVD-Rs burnt elsewhere.
¡Viva Win7! ¡Y vivant discos viejos!

Ed


Some of the older re-writeable discs weren't that stable.
I had one Memorex CDRW disc that went "transparent" in
about three months. Of course Memorex doesn't make the
media, and just bought lots of blanks from the lowest
bidder. Verbatim on the other hand, seemed to test what
they were selling, and the media tags would indicate
quality sources for the discs. Quality sources
might be Taiyo Yuden or Ritek.

There used to be two forums that did nothing but
discuss optical discs and burning, and you could
get good info there on which medias were good and
bad, as they'd do error scans to see which is which.

*******

The write-once stuff should be more stable.

There's no reason a -R won't work.

It has a lot to do with chemistry.

Paul


Well I for one am counting on cd's and dvd's to last a very long time if
properly stored. I have literally thousands of them as I make backup
copies of pretty much everything passes thru my hands. I also have a
very very large library of music and videos all backed up onto optical
disk that are backups basicly to the two copies I keep of most of it on
portable/external separate hard disks (movies also get burned as
standard playable dvd). The optical disks are kept stored in cases in a
cabinet except for the most common ones used a lot, e.g. Windows
install/backup disks etc. I validate every disk when burned and I have
yet to have one I can't read ... yet.

I exclusively use writable disks for backup. I find re-writables can't
be trusted and I use them only for my hardware dvd recorder for
"taping' tv. If I want to keep that I rip it using the pc.

  #13  
Old May 13th 18, 02:38 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Shadow
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On Sun, 13 May 2018 02:31:44 -0300, pjp
wrote:

Well I for one am counting on cd's and dvd's to last a very long time if
properly stored. I have literally thousands of them as I make backup
copies of pretty much everything passes thru my hands. I also have a
very very large library of music and videos all backed up onto optical
disk that are backups basicly to the two copies I keep of most of it on
portable/external separate hard disks (movies also get burned as
standard playable dvd). The optical disks are kept stored in cases in a
cabinet except for the most common ones used a lot, e.g. Windows
install/backup disks etc. I validate every disk when burned and I have
yet to have one I can't read ... yet.

I exclusively use writable disks for backup. I find re-writables can't
be trusted and I use them only for my hardware dvd recorder for
"taping' tv. If I want to keep that I rip it using the pc.


+1 on everything you wrote, except that I no longer use CDs,
DVDs are cheaper. I go by brand names, like HP, Philips and Sony and
very, very rarely get a coaster.
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Old May 14th 18, 09:41 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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In article ,
says...

On Sun, 13 May 2018 02:31:44 -0300, pjp
wrote:

Well I for one am counting on cd's and dvd's to last a very long time if
properly stored. I have literally thousands of them as I make backup
copies of pretty much everything passes thru my hands. I also have a
very very large library of music and videos all backed up onto optical
disk that are backups basicly to the two copies I keep of most of it on
portable/external separate hard disks (movies also get burned as
standard playable dvd). The optical disks are kept stored in cases in a
cabinet except for the most common ones used a lot, e.g. Windows
install/backup disks etc. I validate every disk when burned and I have
yet to have one I can't read ... yet.

I exclusively use writable disks for backup. I find re-writables can't
be trusted and I use them only for my hardware dvd recorder for
"taping' tv. If I want to keep that I rip it using the pc.


+1 on everything you wrote, except that I no longer use CDs,
DVDs are cheaper. I go by brand names, like HP, Philips and Sony and
very, very rarely get a coaster.
[]'


Yes I also use almost ezclusively use dvd's now. I notice when you see
them cd's are now more expensive than dvd's and even dvd's are getting
less common to find with restricted choices. I suspect soon I'll end up
buying 5-10 stacks of 100 just to insure I have them. Real drag I can't
find any more Lightscribe cd's or DVD's anymore. I believe they stopped
making them argh!@#
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Old May 14th 18, 10:33 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On Mon, 14 May 2018 17:41:31 -0300, pjp wrote:

In article ,
says...

On Sun, 13 May 2018 02:31:44 -0300, pjp
wrote:

Well I for one am counting on cd's and dvd's to last a very long time if
properly stored. I have literally thousands of them as I make backup
copies of pretty much everything passes thru my hands. I also have a
very very large library of music and videos all backed up onto optical
disk that are backups basicly to the two copies I keep of most of it on
portable/external separate hard disks (movies also get burned as
standard playable dvd). The optical disks are kept stored in cases in a
cabinet except for the most common ones used a lot, e.g. Windows
install/backup disks etc. I validate every disk when burned and I have
yet to have one I can't read ... yet.

I exclusively use writable disks for backup. I find re-writables can't
be trusted and I use them only for my hardware dvd recorder for
"taping' tv. If I want to keep that I rip it using the pc.


+1 on everything you wrote, except that I no longer use CDs,
DVDs are cheaper. I go by brand names, like HP, Philips and Sony and
very, very rarely get a coaster.
[]'


Yes I also use almost ezclusively use dvd's now. I notice when you see
them cd's are now more expensive than dvd's and even dvd's are getting
less common to find with restricted choices. I suspect soon I'll end up
buying 5-10 stacks of 100 just to insure I have them. Real drag I can't
find any more Lightscribe cd's or DVD's anymore. I believe they stopped
making them argh!@#


https://www.amazon.com/lightscribe-d...scribe%20discs

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