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  #1  
Old May 17th 18, 06:29 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Ed Cryer
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I like safety in my backups. So I regularly do both a System image with
Win10's Win7-style app, and then a Macrium Reflect one.

I did two today; Win10 took almost 2 hours, Macrium took 19mins.

1TB spinning HD, C partition occupies it all, apart from a few small
ones for reset etc. Which means that Macrium had even more to write.

Why is this? Why does Windows take so long? It's not doing anything more
than Macrium, and, in addition, it comes from MS themselves, the
creators of this system, the supposed connoisseurs.

Ed
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  #2  
Old May 17th 18, 08:43 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Ken[_8_]
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Ed Cryer wrote:
I like safety in my backups. So I regularly do both a System image with
Win10's Win7-style app, and then a Macrium Reflect one.

I did two today; Win10 took almost 2 hours, Macrium took 19mins.

1TB spinning HD, C partition occupies it all, apart from a few small
ones for reset etc. Which means that Macrium had even more to write.

Why is this? Why does Windows take so long? It's not doing anything more
than Macrium, and, in addition, it comes from MS themselves, the
creators of this system, the supposed connoisseurs.

Ed


I do not know if this applies with the Windows backup, but some programs
do a write verification and others do not. Verifying the info takes
much longer.
  #3  
Old May 17th 18, 09:57 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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Ed Cryer wrote:
I like safety in my backups. So I regularly do both a System image with
Win10's Win7-style app, and then a Macrium Reflect one.

I did two today; Win10 took almost 2 hours, Macrium took 19mins.

1TB spinning HD, C partition occupies it all, apart from a few small
ones for reset etc. Which means that Macrium had even more to write.

Why is this? Why does Windows take so long? It's not doing anything more
than Macrium, and, in addition, it comes from MS themselves, the
creators of this system, the supposed connoisseurs.

Ed


Windows Defender can interfere with your work.

If I turn off WD Real-Time Scan, my hashdeep runs
go three times faster.

Since your ratios are so much larger, I would have
to conclude those runs are backing up a different
set of partitions.

Presumably the Windows 10 built-in was writing to
an external target which was not part of the
backup source itself.

Both the Win10 built-in and Macrium, use a variation
on VHD for storage. Only occupied clusters should be
recorded. While Macrium has compression, you can still
compare the output size and see if something is amiss
in a major way. I don't think Win10 built-in has the
ability to do sector by sector - you might be able
to mis-configure Macrium, but the Win10 one should
remain about as good as these methods can get
(for a *full* backup, not an incremental or differential).

If Macrium is doing incrementals, of course it's faster.
The paid version of Macrium is capable of more trickery
than the free version :-)

Paul
  #4  
Old May 17th 18, 10:50 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Ed Cryer
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Paul wrote:
Ed Cryer wrote:
I like safety in my backups. So I regularly do both a System image
with Win10's Win7-style app, and then a Macrium Reflect one.

I did two today; Win10 took almost 2 hours, Macrium took 19mins.

1TB spinning HD, C partition occupies it all, apart from a few small
ones for reset etc. Which means that Macrium had even more to write.

Why is this? Why does Windows take so long? It's not doing anything
more than Macrium, and, in addition, it comes from MS themselves, the
creators of this system, the supposed connoisseurs.

Ed


Windows Defender can interfere with your work.

If I turn off WD Real-Time Scan, my hashdeep runs
go three times faster.

Since your ratios are so much larger, I would have
to conclude those runs are backing up a different
set of partitions.

Presumably the Windows 10 built-in was writing to
an external target which was not part of the
backup source itself.

Both the Win10 built-in and Macrium, use a variation
on VHD for storage. Only occupied clusters should be
recorded. While Macrium has compression, you can still
compare the output size and see if something is amiss
in a major way. I don't think Win10 built-in has the
ability to do sector by sector - you might be able
to mis-configure Macrium, but the Win10 one should
remain about as good as these methods can get
(for a *full* backup, not an incremental or differential).

If Macrium is doing incrementals, of course it's faster.
The paid version of Macrium is capable of more trickery
than the free version :-)

Â*Â* Paul


Well, mine's not quite as bad as this:
"I started running Windows 7 Backup, including a system image 2 days
ago. It's only up to 17% completed now. I am running Windows 7
Professional, 64bit. The internal HD is 2 TB, 8 GB RAM & AMD Phenom II
X3 Processor, 2.5 GHz.
....................................
....................................
"
and then this little addition
"I have the same question (14)"

https://goo.gl/nNh8vV

And then there's this one;
https://goo.gl/eQv41v
Our Good Guy would have a ball insulting him. I try to feel sorry for
him but even I find that difficult.

Ed



  #5  
Old May 17th 18, 11:22 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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Ed Cryer wrote:
Paul wrote:
Ed Cryer wrote:
I like safety in my backups. So I regularly do both a System image
with Win10's Win7-style app, and then a Macrium Reflect one.

I did two today; Win10 took almost 2 hours, Macrium took 19mins.

1TB spinning HD, C partition occupies it all, apart from a few small
ones for reset etc. Which means that Macrium had even more to write.

Why is this? Why does Windows take so long? It's not doing anything
more than Macrium, and, in addition, it comes from MS themselves, the
creators of this system, the supposed connoisseurs.

Ed


Windows Defender can interfere with your work.

If I turn off WD Real-Time Scan, my hashdeep runs
go three times faster.

Since your ratios are so much larger, I would have
to conclude those runs are backing up a different
set of partitions.

Presumably the Windows 10 built-in was writing to
an external target which was not part of the
backup source itself.

Both the Win10 built-in and Macrium, use a variation
on VHD for storage. Only occupied clusters should be
recorded. While Macrium has compression, you can still
compare the output size and see if something is amiss
in a major way. I don't think Win10 built-in has the
ability to do sector by sector - you might be able
to mis-configure Macrium, but the Win10 one should
remain about as good as these methods can get
(for a *full* backup, not an incremental or differential).

If Macrium is doing incrementals, of course it's faster.
The paid version of Macrium is capable of more trickery
than the free version :-)

Paul


Well, mine's not quite as bad as this:
"I started running Windows 7 Backup, including a system image 2 days
ago. It's only up to 17% completed now. I am running Windows 7
Professional, 64bit. The internal HD is 2 TB, 8 GB RAM & AMD Phenom II
X3 Processor, 2.5 GHz.
...................................
...................................
"
and then this little addition
"I have the same question (14)"

https://goo.gl/nNh8vV

And then there's this one;
https://goo.gl/eQv41v
Our Good Guy would have a ball insulting him. I try to feel sorry for
him but even I find that difficult.

Ed


1) Check health on drives with HDTune.
2) Remove drives from enclosures that prevent health checks.
Plug drive into main system, check SMART health of drive.
Firewire, for example, might not have SMART passthru
in the command set.
3) Use the Task Manager to check for "competing" programs.
Things that seem to be active, when the backup is active.
(MsMpEng).

Slow Copy-On-Write (COW) can be an issue with shadows.

Since many backups are done in "cluster order", we can't
necessarily blame fragmentation for this. Something like
Robocopy, now that could be slower if the source disk was
fragmented.

You can also run the HDTune benchmark, as a means of
identifying problems with storage devices (without
even using SMART). For example, if a drive slips into
PIO mode, because you pinched or kinked the SATA cable
and the error rate in the cable causes the write rate
to gear down, then transfers could be quite slow.
A benchmark curve of sustained performance might
highlight this (4-5MB/sec flat line bench). There
is a sticky recorder of cable errors in SMART,
so SMART will not forget a transgression with
bad cables.

And backing up to DVDs - masochism or what ? Trying
that once in a test (at 5MB/sec) was enough for me
thanks. That, and having to format the discs when
Windows asked me to. I was ready to pitch the computer
out the Windows, and I only had four DVDs to do :-)
Maybe using 100GB BD discs would make this less
painful.

Paul
  #6  
Old May 17th 18, 11:40 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Ed Cryer
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Paul wrote:
Ed Cryer wrote:
Paul wrote:
Ed Cryer wrote:
I like safety in my backups. So I regularly do both a System image
with Win10's Win7-style app, and then a Macrium Reflect one.

I did two today; Win10 took almost 2 hours, Macrium took 19mins.

1TB spinning HD, C partition occupies it all, apart from a few small
ones for reset etc. Which means that Macrium had even more to write.

Why is this? Why does Windows take so long? It's not doing anything
more than Macrium, and, in addition, it comes from MS themselves,
the creators of this system, the supposed connoisseurs.

Ed

Windows Defender can interfere with your work.

If I turn off WD Real-Time Scan, my hashdeep runs
go three times faster.

Since your ratios are so much larger, I would have
to conclude those runs are backing up a different
set of partitions.

Presumably the Windows 10 built-in was writing to
an external target which was not part of the
backup source itself.

Both the Win10 built-in and Macrium, use a variation
on VHD for storage. Only occupied clusters should be
recorded. While Macrium has compression, you can still
compare the output size and see if something is amiss
in a major way. I don't think Win10 built-in has the
ability to do sector by sector - you might be able
to mis-configure Macrium, but the Win10 one should
remain about as good as these methods can get
(for a *full* backup, not an incremental or differential).

If Macrium is doing incrementals, of course it's faster.
The paid version of Macrium is capable of more trickery
than the free version :-)

Â*Â*Â* Paul


Well, mine's not quite as bad as this:
"I started running Windows 7 Backup, including a system image 2 days
ago.Â* It's only up to 17% completed now. I am running Windows 7
Professional, 64bit.Â* The internal HD is 2 TB, 8 GB RAM & AMD Phenom
II X3 Processor, 2.5 GHz.
...................................
...................................
"
and then this little addition
"I have the same question (14)"

https://goo.gl/nNh8vV

And then there's this one;
https://goo.gl/eQv41v
Our Good Guy would have a ball insulting him. I try to feel sorry for
him but even I find that difficult.

Ed


1) Check health on drives with HDTune.
2) Remove drives from enclosures that prevent health checks.
Â*Â* Plug drive into main system, check SMART health of drive.
Â*Â* Firewire, for example, might not have SMART passthru
Â*Â* in the command set.
3) Use the Task Manager to check for "competing" programs.
Â*Â* Things that seem to be active, when the backup is active.
Â*Â* (MsMpEng).

Slow Copy-On-Write (COW) can be an issue with shadows.

Since many backups are done in "cluster order", we can't
necessarily blame fragmentation for this. Something like
Robocopy, now that could be slower if the source disk was
fragmented.

You can also run the HDTune benchmark, as a means of
identifying problems with storage devices (without
even using SMART). For example, if a drive slips into
PIO mode, because you pinched or kinked the SATA cable
and the error rate in the cable causes the write rate
to gear down, then transfers could be quite slow.
A benchmark curve of sustained performance might
highlight this (4-5MB/sec flat line bench). There
is a sticky recorder of cable errors in SMART,
so SMART will not forget a transgression with
bad cables.

And backing up to DVDs - masochism or what ? Trying
that once in a test (at 5MB/sec) was enough for me
thanks. That, and having to format the discs when
Windows asked me to. I was ready to pitch the computer
out the Windows, and I only had four DVDs to do :-)
Maybe using 100GB BD discs would make this less
painful.

Â*Â* Paul


I blame MS here; including within Win7. When you click on "Take System
Image" it presents you with the option of writing to a DVD; and it does
not much more than just image your C drive.

The point here is that the Macrium image will rescue you from any
trouble, including a total HD fail. It will restore your whole C drive
to the time the image was taken.
So, what does the MS image give you over that? Answer, nothing, well,
virtually nothing more.
So then, yet again Macrium seems to know much more about Windows than MS
does.

Ed


  #7  
Old May 17th 18, 11:57 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Rene Lamontagne
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On 05/17/2018 5:40 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
Paul wrote:
Ed Cryer wrote:
Paul wrote:
Ed Cryer wrote:
I like safety in my backups. So I regularly do both a System image
with Win10's Win7-style app, and then a Macrium Reflect one.

I did two today; Win10 took almost 2 hours, Macrium took 19mins.

1TB spinning HD, C partition occupies it all, apart from a few
small ones for reset etc. Which means that Macrium had even more to
write.

Why is this? Why does Windows take so long? It's not doing anything
more than Macrium, and, in addition, it comes from MS themselves,
the creators of this system, the supposed connoisseurs.

Ed

Windows Defender can interfere with your work.

If I turn off WD Real-Time Scan, my hashdeep runs
go three times faster.

Since your ratios are so much larger, I would have
to conclude those runs are backing up a different
set of partitions.

Presumably the Windows 10 built-in was writing to
an external target which was not part of the
backup source itself.

Both the Win10 built-in and Macrium, use a variation
on VHD for storage. Only occupied clusters should be
recorded. While Macrium has compression, you can still
compare the output size and see if something is amiss
in a major way. I don't think Win10 built-in has the
ability to do sector by sector - you might be able
to mis-configure Macrium, but the Win10 one should
remain about as good as these methods can get
(for a *full* backup, not an incremental or differential).

If Macrium is doing incrementals, of course it's faster.
The paid version of Macrium is capable of more trickery
than the free version :-)

Â*Â*Â* Paul

Well, mine's not quite as bad as this:
"I started running Windows 7 Backup, including a system image 2 days
ago.Â* It's only up to 17% completed now. I am running Windows 7
Professional, 64bit.Â* The internal HD is 2 TB, 8 GB RAM & AMD Phenom
II X3 Processor, 2.5 GHz.
...................................
...................................
"
and then this little addition
"I have the same question (14)"

https://goo.gl/nNh8vV

And then there's this one;
https://goo.gl/eQv41v
Our Good Guy would have a ball insulting him. I try to feel sorry for
him but even I find that difficult.

Ed


1) Check health on drives with HDTune.
2) Remove drives from enclosures that prevent health checks.
Â*Â*Â* Plug drive into main system, check SMART health of drive.
Â*Â*Â* Firewire, for example, might not have SMART passthru
Â*Â*Â* in the command set.
3) Use the Task Manager to check for "competing" programs.
Â*Â*Â* Things that seem to be active, when the backup is active.
Â*Â*Â* (MsMpEng).

Slow Copy-On-Write (COW) can be an issue with shadows.

Since many backups are done in "cluster order", we can't
necessarily blame fragmentation for this. Something like
Robocopy, now that could be slower if the source disk was
fragmented.

You can also run the HDTune benchmark, as a means of
identifying problems with storage devices (without
even using SMART). For example, if a drive slips into
PIO mode, because you pinched or kinked the SATA cable
and the error rate in the cable causes the write rate
to gear down, then transfers could be quite slow.
A benchmark curve of sustained performance might
highlight this (4-5MB/sec flat line bench). There
is a sticky recorder of cable errors in SMART,
so SMART will not forget a transgression with
bad cables.

And backing up to DVDs - masochism or what ? Trying
that once in a test (at 5MB/sec) was enough for me
thanks. That, and having to format the discs when
Windows asked me to. I was ready to pitch the computer
out the Windows, and I only had four DVDs to do :-)
Maybe using 100GB BD discs would make this less
painful.

Â*Â*Â* Paul


I blame MS here; including within Win7. When you click on "Take System
Image" it presents you with the option of writing to a DVD; and it does
not much more than just image your C drive.

The point here is that the Macrium image will rescue you from any
trouble, including a total HD fail. It will restore your whole C drive
to the time the image was taken.
So, what does the MS image give you over that? Answer, nothing, well,
virtually nothing more.
So then, yet again Macrium seems to know much more about Windows than MS
does.

Ed



Have used many backup programs over the years.
Macrium Reflect is still the Champion.

Rene

  #8  
Old May 18th 18, 03:06 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Peter Kozlov
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On Thu, 17 May 2018 18:29:23 +0100, Ed Cryer
wrote:

I like safety in my backups. So I regularly do both a System image with
Win10's Win7-style app, and then a Macrium Reflect one.

I did two today; Win10 took almost 2 hours, Macrium took 19mins.

1TB spinning HD, C partition occupies it all, apart from a few small
ones for reset etc. Which means that Macrium had even more to write.

Why is this? Why does Windows take so long? It's not doing anything more
than Macrium, and, in addition, it comes from MS themselves, the
creators of this system, the supposed connoisseurs.

Ed


I don't mean to hijack your thread at all. I ran into this post by
luck. I just happened to be looking to backup two Windows 10 machines.
I bought 64 GB USB thumb drives so I could make a system restore drive
in case Windows fails to boot. I'd like to make a full backup that
includes a method booting such that the backup can be read and
restored. As a bonus I'd like to be able to image the full system SSD
and clone it to a larger SSD in the future. And as yet another bonus
if I could incrementally update this image as time goes on that would
be useful.

Does this Macrium home version do this? They have an option for a four
pack which I'm sure I can make use of. I have one machine which is
running an app which generated a finger-print string which was then
used to issue an activation code to run the app. I'd like to have to
repeat that whole process in the event the machine doesn't boot up one
day or I decide to increase the SSD drive size. Once I get these
systems installed just the way I like them I'd like to fully image the
machine as a safety net.

The time you mentioned to make your image sounds great. I'm using all
SSD's. These machines boot from SSD's and I would back them up to
Samsung T5 SSD devices which are USB 3.1 based. Hopefully that's not a
problem.

Does Macrium cover all those bases?

--
Peter Kozlov
  #10  
Old May 18th 18, 04:04 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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Posts: 11,873
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Peter Kozlov wrote:
On Thu, 17 May 2018 18:29:23 +0100, Ed Cryer
wrote:

I like safety in my backups. So I regularly do both a System image with
Win10's Win7-style app, and then a Macrium Reflect one.

I did two today; Win10 took almost 2 hours, Macrium took 19mins.

1TB spinning HD, C partition occupies it all, apart from a few small
ones for reset etc. Which means that Macrium had even more to write.

Why is this? Why does Windows take so long? It's not doing anything more
than Macrium, and, in addition, it comes from MS themselves, the
creators of this system, the supposed connoisseurs.

Ed


I don't mean to hijack your thread at all. I ran into this post by
luck. I just happened to be looking to backup two Windows 10 machines.
I bought 64 GB USB thumb drives so I could make a system restore drive
in case Windows fails to boot. I'd like to make a full backup that
includes a method booting such that the backup can be read and
restored. As a bonus I'd like to be able to image the full system SSD
and clone it to a larger SSD in the future. And as yet another bonus
if I could incrementally update this image as time goes on that would
be useful.

Does this Macrium home version do this? They have an option for a four
pack which I'm sure I can make use of. I have one machine which is
running an app which generated a finger-print string which was then
used to issue an activation code to run the app. I'd like to have to
repeat that whole process in the event the machine doesn't boot up one
day or I decide to increase the SSD drive size. Once I get these
systems installed just the way I like them I'd like to fully image the
machine as a safety net.

The time you mentioned to make your image sounds great. I'm using all
SSD's. These machines boot from SSD's and I would back them up to
Samsung T5 SSD devices which are USB 3.1 based. Hopefully that's not a
problem.

Does Macrium cover all those bases?


In the table here, Incremental backups (which come after you make a
Full backup), are a paid feature. Features such as ReDeploy are
part of the Server Edition.

https://www.macrium.com/reflectfree

As with most mature products of this nature, there's a huge manual.

http://updates.macrium.com/reflect/v...df?src=sidebar

All I want from the thing, is a simple, Full backup, made once in
a while, to provide a small measure of resilience in case
of Ransomware. So I don't have to start all over again.

*******

The product uses Microsoft WinPE (PreInstall Environment) to make
an Emergency Boot CD. That provides a sufficient environment
for backup, clone, restore. It's a little bit slower than
doing it from the Windows installed version of the program.
And it's unavoidable to use that CD, when putting your C:
partition back on the hard drive. You boot from the CD, so
that C: won't be "busy" during the restoration operation.

The product speed is not infinite. And it's not a
threading monster either. For example, if you enable
compression during backup, it would be natural to expect
a compression program that runs on all cores and goes
at the speed of light. As far as I know, the compression
on Macrium runs on one core.

This is why there is a free version for download - using
the free version, you can decide for yourself whether it's
fast enough or not.

There's a table here, of backup products, and how
much time they take, comparatively speaking. The results
are a little stale, and could use an update. Still, even
a list of products is a start.

https://www.raymond.cc/blog/10-comme...-comparison/2/

Paul
  #11  
Old May 18th 18, 04:35 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Peter Kozlov
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Posts: 29
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On Thu, 17 May 2018 23:04:18 -0400, Paul
wrote:

Peter Kozlov wrote:
On Thu, 17 May 2018 18:29:23 +0100, Ed Cryer
wrote:

I like safety in my backups. So I regularly do both a System image with
Win10's Win7-style app, and then a Macrium Reflect one.

I did two today; Win10 took almost 2 hours, Macrium took 19mins.

1TB spinning HD, C partition occupies it all, apart from a few small
ones for reset etc. Which means that Macrium had even more to write.

Why is this? Why does Windows take so long? It's not doing anything more
than Macrium, and, in addition, it comes from MS themselves, the
creators of this system, the supposed connoisseurs.

Ed


I don't mean to hijack your thread at all. I ran into this post by
luck. I just happened to be looking to backup two Windows 10 machines.
I bought 64 GB USB thumb drives so I could make a system restore drive
in case Windows fails to boot. I'd like to make a full backup that
includes a method booting such that the backup can be read and
restored. As a bonus I'd like to be able to image the full system SSD
and clone it to a larger SSD in the future. And as yet another bonus
if I could incrementally update this image as time goes on that would
be useful.

Does this Macrium home version do this? They have an option for a four
pack which I'm sure I can make use of. I have one machine which is
running an app which generated a finger-print string which was then
used to issue an activation code to run the app. I'd like to have to
repeat that whole process in the event the machine doesn't boot up one
day or I decide to increase the SSD drive size. Once I get these
systems installed just the way I like them I'd like to fully image the
machine as a safety net.

The time you mentioned to make your image sounds great. I'm using all
SSD's. These machines boot from SSD's and I would back them up to
Samsung T5 SSD devices which are USB 3.1 based. Hopefully that's not a
problem.

Does Macrium cover all those bases?


In the table here, Incremental backups (which come after you make a
Full backup), are a paid feature. Features such as ReDeploy are
part of the Server Edition.

https://www.macrium.com/reflectfree

As with most mature products of this nature, there's a huge manual.

http://updates.macrium.com/reflect/v...df?src=sidebar

All I want from the thing, is a simple, Full backup, made once in
a while, to provide a small measure of resilience in case
of Ransomware. So I don't have to start all over again.

*******

The product uses Microsoft WinPE (PreInstall Environment) to make
an Emergency Boot CD. That provides a sufficient environment
for backup, clone, restore. It's a little bit slower than
doing it from the Windows installed version of the program.
And it's unavoidable to use that CD, when putting your C:
partition back on the hard drive. You boot from the CD, so
that C: won't be "busy" during the restoration operation.

The product speed is not infinite. And it's not a
threading monster either. For example, if you enable
compression during backup, it would be natural to expect
a compression program that runs on all cores and goes
at the speed of light. As far as I know, the compression
on Macrium runs on one core.

This is why there is a free version for download - using
the free version, you can decide for yourself whether it's
fast enough or not.

There's a table here, of backup products, and how
much time they take, comparatively speaking. The results
are a little stale, and could use an update. Still, even
a list of products is a start.

https://www.raymond.cc/blog/10-comme...-comparison/2/

Paul


I'm downloading that free version now.

--
Peter Kozlov
  #12  
Old May 18th 18, 01:25 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Frank Slootweg
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Peter Kozlov wrote:
[...]

[About Macrium Reflect:]

I'm downloading that free version now.


Hi Peter,

Nice to see you've subscribed to the group! :-)

FYI, the free version does Differential backups, i.e. changes since
the last Full backup. For me that's sufficient and no need to purchase
another version which can do Incremental backups. YMMV.
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Old May 18th 18, 01:45 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Thu, 17 May 2018 19:06:48 -0700, Peter Kozlov wrote:

On Thu, 17 May 2018 18:29:23 +0100, Ed Cryer
wrote:

I like safety in my backups. So I regularly do both a System image with
Win10's Win7-style app, and then a Macrium Reflect one.

I did two today; Win10 took almost 2 hours, Macrium took 19mins.

1TB spinning HD, C partition occupies it all, apart from a few small
ones for reset etc. Which means that Macrium had even more to write.

Why is this? Why does Windows take so long? It's not doing anything more
than Macrium, and, in addition, it comes from MS themselves, the
creators of this system, the supposed connoisseurs.

Ed


I don't mean to hijack your thread at all. I ran into this post by luck.
I just happened to be looking to backup two Windows 10 machines.
I bought 64 GB USB thumb drives so I could make a system restore drive
in case Windows fails to boot. I'd like to make a full backup that
includes a method booting such that the backup can be read and restored.
As a bonus I'd like to be able to image the full system SSD and clone it
to a larger SSD in the future. And as yet another bonus if I could
incrementally update this image as time goes on that would be useful.

Does this Macrium home version do this? They have an option for a four
pack which I'm sure I can make use of. I have one machine which is
running an app which generated a finger-print string which was then used
to issue an activation code to run the app. I'd like to have to repeat
that whole process in the event the machine doesn't boot up one day or I
decide to increase the SSD drive size. Once I get these systems
installed just the way I like them I'd like to fully image the machine
as a safety net.

The time you mentioned to make your image sounds great. I'm using all
SSD's. These machines boot from SSD's and I would back them up to
Samsung T5 SSD devices which are USB 3.1 based. Hopefully that's not a
problem.

Does Macrium cover all those bases?


I think backing up to a thumb drive is a lousy idea, but to each his own.
I don't know why this discussion is going on so long. Windows backup on
windows 7 left a lot to be desired. Macrium is the best and it's free.
For platform independence I like Clonezilla, although it's a little less
user friendly than Macrium.
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Old May 18th 18, 08:17 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 18 May 2018 12:25:59 GMT, Frank Slootweg
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Peter Kozlov wrote:
[...]

[About Macrium Reflect:]

I'm downloading that free version now.


Hi Peter,

Nice to see you've subscribed to the group! :-)

FYI, the free version does Differential backups, i.e. changes since
the last Full backup. For me that's sufficient and no need to purchase
another version which can do Incremental backups. YMMV.


I installed it on one machine and made a boot thumb drive and backup
to SSD which ran pretty quick. I like that. Now I'll have to test it.
But the speed is excellent. I'm going to install it on my work
workstattion as soon as it's done with it's tasks. I've been busy on
it all morning. This is actually kind of exciting.

Glad to find this group. The very topic I was going to inquire about
just happened to be right there. Perfect timing.

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Old May 18th 18, 08:20 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Fri, 18 May 2018 04:18:00 +0100, Good Guy
wrote:

On 18/05/2018 03:06, Peter Kozlov wrote:
I don't mean to hijack your thread at all. I ran into this post by
luck. I just happened to be looking to backup two Windows 10 machines.
I bought 64 GB USB thumb drives so I could make a system restore drive
in case Windows fails to boot. I'd like to make a full backup that
includes a method booting such that the backup can be read and
restored. As a bonus I'd like to be able to image the full system SSD
and clone it to a larger SSD in the future. And as yet another bonus
if I could incrementally update this image as time goes on that would
be useful.

Does this Macrium home version do this? They have an option for a four
pack which I'm sure I can make use of.


If this "option" is free then it's fine otherwise the free version of
Macrium will do a complete clone/backup of the drive and upsize it to a
larger disk. It is free so you can always download and install it.
Nothing lost.

The other option is to download the free software from WDC or Seagate -
both are HD manufacturers and their software is from Acronis True Image
Home (ATI or ATH for short) free version that can do full backup as well
as incremental backups. You just set it and it does it for you
periodically depending on your settings - daily, weekly, monthly,
bi-monthly, etc etc,

What is your SSD brand or what other brands of HD have you had in the
past? WDC and Seagate will only install on their brands but externally
connected portable or desktop HDs are acceptable. You just have to
download free of charge and install to see what it can do for you. They
have a good 130 page manual to go with the software and Acronis Forums
can also help you.

http://downloads.wdc.com/acronis/ATI2016WD_build33.zip

https://www.seagate.com/www-content/support-content/downloads/discwizard/_shared/downloads/DiscWizardSetup-1806036.en.exe


I almost always stick to Samsung 950 and 960 Pro Drive NVME SSDs if
possible. I have a few EVO M.2 where no NVMe is possible. I do have
one Western Digital though in a Lattitude 7370.

What I would use as a destination are Samsung T3 and T5 USB-C SSDs.

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