Classic Shell

On Thu, 03 Oct 2013 15:38:45 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

On Thu, 03 Oct 2013 16:53:52 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Thu, 03 Oct 2013 14:54:09 -0400, Marv wrote:

On 9/30/2013 3:35 AM, Ron wrote:
On 8/26/2013 5:06 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 03:35:01 -0500, CRNG
wrote:

I'm a long-time WinXPpro user. I'm wondering how familiar will Win8
with Classic Shell http://www.classicshell.net/ look to me? Will
there still be a long learning curve?


You will find it very similar, but not exactly the same. How long it
will take to get accustomed to it depends on you.

And by the way, as far as I'm concerned Start 8 (not free, but very
inexpensive--only $4.99) will make the Windows 8 interface even more
like the older interfaces, and that's what I recommend.



After using Classic Shell, I will agree that Start 8 is much
better.....especially for free if you can find it

Why do you think Start 8 is much better than Classic Shell.

That question has been asked before, without much of an answer. I think it
simply comes down to personal preference, which is why you should try both
and see which you like better.


???? Your last sentence above is what I said here several times and
you castigated me for.

Nope, I most assuredly have not castigated you for suggesting that people
try the various options and see which they like best. You have repeatedly*
made that suggestion and I have never disagreed with it.

Instead, I've taken you to task for repeatedly* making the claim that your
preferred program is "much better" than the others, while refusing to say
why you think it's better. When pressed, you finally said you don't remember
why it's better, but you've continued to say that it's better.

*In your defense, many of your posts are simple copy/paste operations, a
behavior which I find to be extremely annoying in itself, but that's my
problem, not yours. I know why you do it.

Here's a post from July where you said the following:

"I think Classic Shell is pretty good, but Start8 is much better."

That was the sum total of your post, with no mention of why you think your
choice is better. See below...


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On Tue, 02 Jul 2013 14:06:09 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Mon, 01 Jul 2013 13:03:38 -0500, philo* wrote:

On 06/29/2013 10:45 AM, housetrained wrote:
well, I've put 8.1 on my other desktop and I think those that expected
to get the old-style start button globe back will be disappointed. It's
a windows flag and when clicked it opens the metro screen which can be
had by pressing the windows key. Apart from that there are a few
differences I've noticed so far but nothing major. But early days, just
keep plodding along and see what comes up.
housetrained



Best way to fix Win8 is with Classic Shell

ClassicShell doesn't go nearly far enough. It's still obviously Win 8 under
there.


I think Classic Shell is pretty good, but Start8 is much better.

Ken

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On Thu, 03 Oct 2013 15:00:11 -0400, Nil wrote:

On 03 Oct 2013, "
wrote in alt.comp.os.windows-8:

Becuase removing programs in control panel almost always leaves a
bun ch of registry entries behind

I use either Revo Pro (for the 30day free trial) or 'Geek' or
'IOBit Uninstaller, "That's the power of Pine Sol Baby.."

In general, I trust the original programs uninstaller to know what to
delete. Which is not to say that they all do their job well. But I
don't resort to a 3rd-party uninstaller unless I detect a problem.

I believe that 3rd-party uninstallers can be too aggressive and
potentially remove things they shouldn't. If you have observed the OP,
you've already seen that he's a menace to his computer and how he's
somehow able to hose things up with even the safest of tools. I shudder
to think what he can do one that has an "expert mode".

I smile...

A rather wry smile, of course.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On 10/3/13 5:20 PM, Alias wrote:
On 10/3/2013 11:22 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
Alias wrote:
On 10/3/2013 8:13 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Thu, 03 Oct 2013 14:54:49 +0200, Alias wrote:

But
we know you appear to be a thief.


No, it's legal and not theft to use a copy of software, music or videos
where I live. I am not depriving the owners of their software. They
still have it and no one stole it from them. Can we add logic impaired
to your naivety?

You *are* denying the creator of the software income from his software.


You are assuming it would be bought if the only way to get it was to pay.


You're assuming that the one who steals it doesn't want it; and that
makes him a mindless thief.

Ed


No, can't afford it. Not Start8, of course, but Photoshop or Creative
Suite is priced in the hundreds and if someone wanted to pull himself
out of poverty by using those programs along with some other pricey
programs like Office, you would throw that person in jail and feel all
"moral" about it.

These days, you don't have to use those programs. There are plenty of
open source programs that can be used instead.

I guess, if you were in that position, you would rather steal than use
something legal.

Want something else to chew on? In Spain, any theft, real theft, less
than 400 Euros is not a crime. That's about 600 USD. In the states, if
someone stole because they were poor and hungry, they would be thrown
into one of the worst prison systems in the world and their life would
basically be over. How moral is that?

Really scraping the bottom of the barrel now. I'm sure the jails of
places like China, Iran, Venezuela, and untold others are far worse than
in the US.

As for Spain, just how good is their economy? How many people there
have lost income because of your viewpoint? I suspect if you were in
the position of losing income because of that law, you would be unhappy.


--
Ken

Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 23.0
Thunderbird 17.0.8
LibreOffice 4.1.0.4

On 10/3/13 7:02 AM, Alias wrote:
On 10/3/2013 2:57 PM, JoeBro wrote:
Ken Springer wrote in news:l2jp24$fa7$2
@speranza.aioe.org:

No, I asked have you been this naive all your life. Your being naive
wasn't in question.

You do not know me, or if I am naive. I know I'm honest, are you? But
we know you appear to be a thief.

He appears to be a thief because he is a thief.



Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzt wrong! Theft is a legal not a moral issue. Where I
live it is not theft. Ergo, I am not a thief.

Theft is always a moral issue, if you have morals. I could draw the
conclusion that since you feel you are not a thief, you therefore have
no morals. But, that's not a conclusion that can be substantiated.


--
Ken

Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 23.0
Thunderbird 17.0.8
LibreOffice 4.1.0.4

On 10/3/13 7:09 AM, Alias wrote:
On 10/3/2013 2:49 PM, Rodney Pont wrote:
On Thu, 3 Oct 2013 13:29:46 +0100, mechanic wrote:

People are throwing around the term 'theft' as if it means using
something you don't 'own'; in he the UK at least the definition of
'theft' includes the term 'with the intention of permanently
depriving...'; thus there is no theft involved in copying a software
item for one's own use.
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/...ition-of-theft

You are depriving the author of the bread and milk they would have
bought if you had paid for the software!


You're assuming the person who downloads the software can or would pay
for it. And you know what they say about the word "assume". In the
Start8 case you might have a point but you don't when it comes to
Microsoft, Sony, Warner, etc. Personally, even though I could get Start8
off the Bay, I would pay for it because I figure the guy needs the
money. Unfortunately for him, I have no use for it and Microsoft will
not steal from him or her but will put the software out of business when
8.1 becomes available. Are you going to bitch and moan about that?


You can't pay for the software license? Don't download it. Simple.

I doubt 8.1 will put Start8's author out of business. From what I've
read, there's still no start menu, but at least you can start the
computer and bypass the Metro/Modern UI. And there's start menu
replacements, as well as other Windows components replacements all the
way back to... At least XP. Probably forever, when you think of all
the little tweaks all the way back to DOS, when you could get rid of DIR
and replace it with DDIR.


--
Ken

Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 23.0
Thunderbird 17.0.8
LibreOffice 4.1.0.4

On 10/3/13 7:47 AM, Wolf K wrote:
On 2013-10-03 8:57 AM, Ken Springer wrote:
On 10/3/13 6:29 AM, mechanic wrote:
On Thu, 03 Oct 2013 11:44:48 +0200, Alias wrote:

Do you know the difference between take and use? I *can't* take the
software. I can only use a *copy*.

People are throwing around the term 'theft' as if it means using
something you don't 'own'; in he the UK at least the definition of
'theft' includes the term 'with the intention of permanently
depriving...'; thus there is no theft involved in copying a software
item for one's own use.
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/...ition-of-theft


Are you not intentionally "permanently depriving" the author of Start8
the $4.99 USD when using a program without payment to the author? That
negates the stipulation of #2 under the Basic Definition of Theft.

"A rose by any other name would smell as sweet" is a commonly quoted
part of a dialogue in William Shakespeare's play Romeo and Juliet, in
which Juliet argues that the names of things do not matter, only what
things "are".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_rose...smell_as_sweet

Just because you aren't called a thief, legally, doesn't meant you
aren't one.


In legal terms you are perfectly entitled to do anything not
prohibited by law; morals don't come into it.

Morals are the basis for every law.

Um, I don't think so. Most laws are made for administrative
inconvenience, and/or to consolidate power for somebody. they're kind of
abstract or generalised contract. Because people have conflicting views
of what's right/wrong and in their estimates of in/convenience, tThe law
selects one side of the argument, (more or less, and hence introduces
more ambiguity), sand then regulates conduct accordingly.

Respectfully, Wolf, I disagree. I'd bet many, if not most, of the laws
for "administrative inconvenience", were put in place to facilitate some
kind of enforcement of another law.

Eg. anti insider-information law stock trading. Not too long ago,
that was considered a perfectly acceptable way to steal a march on one's
competition. Now it's considered an unfair advantage. Who complained?
The people who couldn't estimate the odds of the rise/fall of stock
prices accurately enough without that information. The stock market is
basically a casino. The players expect to have essentially the same
information, and vary only in their skill of calculating odds and their
willingness to take risks.

And while morality/ethics may be the basis of criminal law, it's clear
that people differ enough on many questions of morality that criminal
justice is, er, variable.

Have a good one.



--
Ken

Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 23.0
Thunderbird 17.0.8
LibreOffice 4.1.0.4

On 10/3/13 8:52 AM, Alias wrote:
On 10/3/2013 2:57 PM, Ken Springer wrote:
Morals are the basis for every law.

More naivety. Ever hear the expression, "if knew what went into making
sausage and laws, you'd have nothing to do with either one"?

Example: the law in the U.S. against the possession of pot, cocaine and
heroin were NOT enacted to protect the public's health. They were
enacted to make it easier to bust black people and Latinos.

You should probably watch the CNN Special on marijuana, done by Dr.
Sanjay Gupta. There was "hanky-panky" in getting the law(s) passed, but
not for the reason you stated.

Before that law, heroin and cocaine were available at any drug store and
even advertized in paper media. There was no real drug problem back then.

How do we know? If a situation is not identified as a problem, it's not
going to be a topic highly reported on. It's after something is
determined to be a problem that something is done.

Preach to me about the morality involved in that law.

That's for another subject/thread. We're discussing theft, not drugs.

OH!!! Wait!!! If the value of the drugs were small enough, and you
took them, it wouldn't be theft, right? Do you suppose the
pusher/dealer would agree with that?


--
Ken

Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 23.0
Thunderbird 17.0.8
LibreOffice 4.1.0.4

On 10/4/2013 5:37 AM, Ken Springer wrote:
On 10/3/13 5:20 PM, Alias wrote:
On 10/3/2013 11:22 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
Alias wrote:
On 10/3/2013 8:13 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Thu, 03 Oct 2013 14:54:49 +0200, Alias wrote:

But
we know you appear to be a thief.


No, it's legal and not theft to use a copy of software, music or
videos
where I live. I am not depriving the owners of their software. They
still have it and no one stole it from them. Can we add logic
impaired
to your naivety?

You *are* denying the creator of the software income from his
software.


You are assuming it would be bought if the only way to get it was to
pay.


You're assuming that the one who steals it doesn't want it; and that
makes him a mindless thief.

Ed


No, can't afford it. Not Start8, of course, but Photoshop or Creative
Suite is priced in the hundreds and if someone wanted to pull himself
out of poverty by using those programs along with some other pricey
programs like Office, you would throw that person in jail and feel all
"moral" about it.

These days, you don't have to use those programs. There are plenty of
open source programs that can be used instead.

Gimp and Libre Office are not the same.


I guess, if you were in that position, you would rather steal than use
something legal.

In Spain, it isn't stealing.


Want something else to chew on? In Spain, any theft, real theft, less
than 400 Euros is not a crime. That's about 600 USD. In the states, if
someone stole because they were poor and hungry, they would be thrown
into one of the worst prison systems in the world and their life would
basically be over. How moral is that?

Really scraping the bottom of the barrel now. I'm sure the jails of
places like China, Iran, Venezuela, and untold others are far worse than
in the US.

The jails in the USA are mostly private now where it behooves the
jailors to make sure all the prisoners stay as long as possible. A judge
was convicted of making money sending folks to jail. Rape in US jails is
a problem along with overcrowding, draconian sentences and, my favorite:
the barbaric death penalty. Yeah, the US is right there with China, Iran
and Venezuela although in Venezuela they have conjugal rights, unlike
the USA.

As for Spain, just how good is their economy?

Thanks to the bankers, Wall Street and crooked politicians, the economy
is struggling.

How many people there
have lost income because of your viewpoint?

None.

I suspect if you were in
the position of losing income because of that law, you would be unhappy.



Windows was and is the software that is stolen the most. Last I checked,
Microsoft is not out of business.

"If they are going to steal software, I want them to steal mine", Bill
Gates.

If I were a writer of software and no one wanted to steal it, I would be
disappointed.

--
Alias

The only real problems are avarice, anger and stupidity.

On 10/4/2013 5:39 AM, Ken Springer wrote:
On 10/3/13 7:02 AM, Alias wrote:
On 10/3/2013 2:57 PM, JoeBro wrote:
Ken Springer wrote in news:l2jp24$fa7$2
@speranza.aioe.org:

No, I asked have you been this naive all your life. Your being naive
wasn't in question.

You do not know me, or if I am naive. I know I'm honest, are you? But
we know you appear to be a thief.

He appears to be a thief because he is a thief.



Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzt wrong! Theft is a legal not a moral issue. Where I
live it is not theft. Ergo, I am not a thief.

Theft is always a moral issue, if you have morals.

Morals are a subjective judgment, not a fact.

I could draw the
conclusion that since you feel you are not a thief, you therefore have
no morals. But, that's not a conclusion that can be substantiated.



I've never stolen anything.

--
Alias

The only real problems are avarice, anger and stupidity.

On Thu, 03 Oct 2013 21:43:10 -0600, Ken Springer
wrote:

I doubt 8.1 will put Start8's author out of business. From what I've
read, there's still no start menu, but at least you can start the
computer and bypass the Metro/Modern UI. And there's start menu
replacements, as well as other Windows components replacements all the
way back to... At least XP. Probably forever, when you think of all
the little tweaks all the way back to DOS, when you could get rid of DIR
and replace it with DDIR.


There are very few differences between 8 and 8.1, and as you say,
putting the start menu back is *not* one of them. I'm running 8.1 rtm
here and I still run Start8 with it.


--
Ken Blake

On Thu, 03 Oct 2013 20:37:40 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Thu, 03 Oct 2013 15:38:45 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

On Thu, 03 Oct 2013 16:53:52 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Thu, 03 Oct 2013 14:54:09 -0400, Marv wrote:

On 9/30/2013 3:35 AM, Ron wrote:
On 8/26/2013 5:06 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Mon, 26 Aug 2013 03:35:01 -0500, CRNG
wrote:

I'm a long-time WinXPpro user. I'm wondering how familiar will Win8
with Classic Shell http://www.classicshell.net/ look to me? Will
there still be a long learning curve?


You will find it very similar, but not exactly the same. How long it
will take to get accustomed to it depends on you.

And by the way, as far as I'm concerned Start 8 (not free, but very
inexpensive--only $4.99) will make the Windows 8 interface even more
like the older interfaces, and that's what I recommend.



After using Classic Shell, I will agree that Start 8 is much
better.....especially for free if you can find it

Why do you think Start 8 is much better than Classic Shell.

That question has been asked before, without much of an answer. I think it
simply comes down to personal preference, which is why you should try both
and see which you like better.


???? Your last sentence above is what I said here several times and
you castigated me for.

Nope, I most assuredly have not castigated you for suggesting that people
try the various options and see which they like best. You have repeatedly*
made that suggestion and I have never disagreed with it.

Instead, I've taken you to task for repeatedly* making the claim that your
preferred program is "much better" than the others, while refusing to say
why you think it's better. When pressed, you finally said you don't remember
why it's better, but you've continued to say that it's better.


As I've said more than once, I don't remember the features of programs
I no longer use. But I do remember which I like better.

And my recommendation has consistently been for people to try both and
decide for themselves which they like better. I'm glad to see that we
at least agree on that.


--
Ken Blake

Charlie+ wrote:
On Wed, 02 Oct 2013 07:00:37 -0400, Ron wrote as
underneath :

http://thepiratebay.sx/torrent/88666...ack_by_Painter)

Virus total scan results

https://www.virustotal.com/en/file/f...is/1380711297/

Asking for trouble
Has: PUP.Optional.OpenCandy - malware/spyware as an added bonus!!!

Maybe the person doing the "repack" is adding a toolbar
to make a few bucks for his own self ? :-) As far as I
can remember, OpenCandy is a tool for installing
optional toolbars. That's why it gets a rating of "PUP"
rather than malware as such.

Set up a VM environment, and test it. A throw away VM
environment. If you have Win 8.1 Preview (good until Jan15,2014),
you can run that in VirtualBox and do your testing there.
In other words, run Win 8.1 on top of Win8, using virtual
machine software, toss your pirated software (yarr!) into the
guest OS and see what happens. Run a virus scanner CD afterwards,
on the VM, and see what shakes out. Look for evidence of
toolbars. The OpenCandy might prompt with tick boxes, before
installing the toolbar.

It's not a complete test by any stretch of the imagination,
because as far as I know, it is possible for software to
check for a VM. The virtual environment is far from perfect.
Doing the testing this way, is marginally safer than testing
pirated software (yarr!) in your main OS.

For general installer testing/unpacking, I use VM software,
a Linux environment running WINE, then when I get my hands
on the installed files, I can upload those to virustotal
for inspection. Sometimes I get a few more recorded hits
in virustotal, almost as if virustotal scanners aren't
good at running the installer and dealing with the
results.

So while you may save $5 (yarr!), you'll be paying for
it with the time spent doing the testing. You're basically
working for minimum wage while doing so.

Paul

Char Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 03 Oct 2013 22:30:14 +0100, Ed Cryer wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 03 Oct 2013 19:42:00 +0100, Ed Cryer wrote:

He's not throwing stones; he's teaching.
What are you going to tell kids? "Well, it's wrong to steal; except
maybe in circumstance A or possibly a combination of circumstance B with
C (provided that circumstances T and Y have previously occurred)."
No! You teach them the moral normative rule. "It's wrong to steal".

And why do you do that? Because kids come out of the womb knowing no
better. And if you don't teach them otherwise they'll steal and kill and
create a hell on Earth. Little gangster babies, feeding their needs with
antisocial and criminal behaviour.

Just within the past month or so I saw a documentary where they used 2-month
old babies to determine the relative roles of nature versus nurture when it
comes to good and bad behavior, being able to choose one over the other and
being able to recognize it in others. Take it with a grain of salt, but they
concluded that babies are born with morals and a sense of right and wrong.

Like I say, take it with a grain of salt, but if correct, we aren't raising
little gangsters. Wish I had a link. Anyone else see it?


I didn't see it, but I do hope you're right. Man, that would really give
me a boost.
I've found this;
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50151800n

If that's it, say yes and I'll watch it.

Yes, that's the one I was thinking of.


Fascinating. That's going to cause some stir. It runs against so many
previous conclusions from research, and a vast history of philosophy and
religion.
I guess the "scientific method" comes into play here; especially the
"replication" requirement. That'll take time.

There's a follow-up to the video here;
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504803_1...e-is-watching/
There might be in that some insight into why Net piracy is so prevalent;
nobody (apparently) watching.

I've just looked on one piracy download site, specifically at one copy
of "Total War ROME II-RELOADED"
seeders: 2797
leechers: 1371

It shows "Added on Sep 3, 2013 by Mr.Stiffy in Games PC
Torrent verified. Downloaded 23,393 times.

Sheesh! I think it must be a very wide-spread phenomenon. Maybe Alias is
doing us a favour with his passionate and candid lack of hypocrisy. He's
showing us a very commonly held set of justifications.

Incidentally, that game retails at 29.99 British pounds sterling.

Ed

On 10/4/2013 5:23 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
Char Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 03 Oct 2013 22:30:14 +0100, Ed Cryer
wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 03 Oct 2013 19:42:00 +0100, Ed Cryer
wrote:

He's not throwing stones; he's teaching.
What are you going to tell kids? "Well, it's wrong to steal; except
maybe in circumstance A or possibly a combination of circumstance B
with
C (provided that circumstances T and Y have previously occurred)."
No! You teach them the moral normative rule. "It's wrong to steal".

And why do you do that? Because kids come out of the womb knowing no
better. And if you don't teach them otherwise they'll steal and
kill and
create a hell on Earth. Little gangster babies, feeding their needs
with
antisocial and criminal behaviour.

Just within the past month or so I saw a documentary where they used
2-month
old babies to determine the relative roles of nature versus nurture
when it
comes to good and bad behavior, being able to choose one over the
other and
being able to recognize it in others. Take it with a grain of salt,
but they
concluded that babies are born with morals and a sense of right and
wrong.

Like I say, take it with a grain of salt, but if correct, we aren't
raising
little gangsters. Wish I had a link. Anyone else see it?


I didn't see it, but I do hope you're right. Man, that would really give
me a boost.
I've found this;
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50151800n

If that's it, say yes and I'll watch it.

Yes, that's the one I was thinking of.


Fascinating. That's going to cause some stir. It runs against so many
previous conclusions from research, and a vast history of philosophy and
religion.
I guess the "scientific method" comes into play here; especially the
"replication" requirement. That'll take time.

There's a follow-up to the video here;
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504803_1...e-is-watching/

There might be in that some insight into why Net piracy is so prevalent;
nobody (apparently) watching.

I've just looked on one piracy download site, specifically at one copy
of "Total War ROME II-RELOADED"
seeders: 2797
leechers: 1371

It shows "Added on Sep 3, 2013 by Mr.Stiffy in Games PC
Torrent verified. Downloaded 23,393 times.

Sheesh! I think it must be a very wide-spread phenomenon. Maybe Alias is
doing us a favour with his passionate and candid lack of hypocrisy. He's
showing us a very commonly held set of justifications.

Incidentally, that game retails at 29.99 British pounds sterling.

Ed



Check it when a famous singer's album comes out.

--
Alias

The only real problems are avarice, anger and stupidity.

Alias wrote:
On 10/4/2013 5:23 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
Char Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 03 Oct 2013 22:30:14 +0100, Ed Cryer
wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 03 Oct 2013 19:42:00 +0100, Ed Cryer
wrote:

He's not throwing stones; he's teaching.
What are you going to tell kids? "Well, it's wrong to steal; except
maybe in circumstance A or possibly a combination of circumstance B
with
C (provided that circumstances T and Y have previously occurred)."
No! You teach them the moral normative rule. "It's wrong to steal".

And why do you do that? Because kids come out of the womb knowing no
better. And if you don't teach them otherwise they'll steal and
kill and
create a hell on Earth. Little gangster babies, feeding their needs
with
antisocial and criminal behaviour.

Just within the past month or so I saw a documentary where they used
2-month
old babies to determine the relative roles of nature versus nurture
when it
comes to good and bad behavior, being able to choose one over the
other and
being able to recognize it in others. Take it with a grain of salt,
but they
concluded that babies are born with morals and a sense of right and
wrong.

Like I say, take it with a grain of salt, but if correct, we aren't
raising
little gangsters. Wish I had a link. Anyone else see it?


I didn't see it, but I do hope you're right. Man, that would really
give
me a boost.
I've found this;
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50151800n

If that's it, say yes and I'll watch it.

Yes, that's the one I was thinking of.


Fascinating. That's going to cause some stir. It runs against so many
previous conclusions from research, and a vast history of philosophy and
religion.
I guess the "scientific method" comes into play here; especially the
"replication" requirement. That'll take time.

There's a follow-up to the video here;
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504803_1...e-is-watching/


There might be in that some insight into why Net piracy is so prevalent;
nobody (apparently) watching.

I've just looked on one piracy download site, specifically at one copy
of "Total War ROME II-RELOADED"
seeders: 2797
leechers: 1371

It shows "Added on Sep 3, 2013 by Mr.Stiffy in Games PC
Torrent verified. Downloaded 23,393 times.

Sheesh! I think it must be a very wide-spread phenomenon. Maybe Alias is
doing us a favour with his passionate and candid lack of hypocrisy. He's
showing us a very commonly held set of justifications.

Incidentally, that game retails at 29.99 British pounds sterling.

Ed



Check it when a famous singer's album comes out.


What strikes me about it is how easy it is.You go to a website, do a
search, download it. There's no sense of criminality on the website
either. People discuss the quality of the material with all the air of
innocence that you might find in a good club; they give videos ratings,
discuss the games, talk about where the best version is available.
And it's done in such large numbers.

It's obvious that most of the clients don't think like me. Me, I ask
about where in the cinema the webcam was placed, who bought or stole the
video and uploaded it etc.
But it sure doesn't feel like a criminal fraternity.
Imagine if somebody stole a pile of Levi jeans and stood in a town
square giving them away to any passer-by that wanted them. You'd see the
criminality there, and you'd feel it; the cowering body-language, the
shifty exchanges, the careful looking all around.

I think a lot of people have socio-political justification for what they
do. In the same way that they'd speak up for Julian Assange or Bradley
Manning, or against GW Bush and Tony Blair for having conned us into
going to war. It's them and us; the haves and the have-nots; the
power-brokers who abuse it v. the poor abused. They see themselves as
combating a corrupt system, on the side of humanity and democracy.

Ed