WinXP, Dual Boot, New Hard Drive

I have physical HD "C" with Win98, FAT32 and physical HD "D" with
WinXP, NTFS as a dual boot system using WinXP boot loader. Everything
works just fine.

I want to replace the "D" drive with a new, larger drive. I don't want
to re-install WinXP or lose data from the drive.

I have one of those external USB cases that will take a hard drive or
a DVD. (I bought this device for my laptop computer where I use it for
a DVD burner.)

I have a copy of Norton Ghost 2003 that I have never used.

Can someone give a step by step or point me to a web site for
completing this task?

Thanks, jimbo

Most hard drive manufacturers provide you with the software to do what you
want. If it didn't come with the new drive check the appropriate web site.

From what others have said in these newsgroups my guess is the Ghost program
is self-explanatory.

"jimbo" wrote in message
...
I have physical HD "C" with Win98, FAT32 and physical HD "D" with WinXP,
NTFS as a dual boot system using WinXP boot loader. Everything works just
fine.

I want to replace the "D" drive with a new, larger drive. I don't want to
re-install WinXP or lose data from the drive.

I have one of those external USB cases that will take a hard drive or a
DVD. (I bought this device for my laptop computer where I use it for a DVD
burner.)

I have a copy of Norton Ghost 2003 that I have never used.

Can someone give a step by step or point me to a web site for completing
this task?

Thanks, jimbo

"jimbo" wrote in message
...
I have physical HD "C" with Win98, FAT32 and physical HD "D" with WinXP,
NTFS as a dual boot system using WinXP boot loader. Everything works just
fine.

I want to replace the "D" drive with a new, larger drive. I don't want to
re-install WinXP or lose data from the drive.

I have one of those external USB cases that will take a hard drive or a
DVD. (I bought this device for my laptop computer where I use it for a DVD
burner.)

I have a copy of Norton Ghost 2003 that I have never used.

Can someone give a step by step or point me to a web site for completing
this task?

Thanks, jimbo

Jimbo:

You may find of some value the following article I recently prepared on this
subject for a local computer club. You can install a hard drive in the USB
external enclosure that you already have. As you will note from my article,
I use a Ghost bootable floppy disk to undertake the cloning operation. I
find the simplicity, straightforwardness, and portability aspects of using a
floppy preferable to using Ghost's GUI. But you can use Ghost's Window's
interface to perform the cloning operation should you prefer that method.

USING GHOST 2003 TO CLONE AN INTERNAL HARD DRIVE TO A USB EXTERNAL HARD
DRIVE



The advantage of this process is that for all practical purposes you're
making an exact duplicate of your working internal drive. Everything is
"backed up" - your operating system, registry, programs & applications,
configuration settings, your data files - everything.



Note that in some cases, connecting the USB external hard drive to a USB hub
prevents the cloning process. In those situations, the external drive should
bypass the hub and be directly connected to the computer's USB port.



The cloning process is relatively simple. Other than the external hard drive
you'll be cloning to, disconnect any other external storage device(s), e.
g., ZIP drive, flash drive, from the computer and boot up with the Ghost
floppy disk (see below instructions for preparing the Ghost floppy) and use
the screen displays to select the source (internal hard drive) disk and the
destination (external hard drive) disk.



With a reasonably fast processor, your cloning speed (data transfer) should
be about 400 to 500 MB/min. Should you be using a USB 1.0/1.1 connection,
your cloning speed will be about 40 to 50 MB/min.




I prefer to carry out the cloning operation using a Ghost floppy disk,
rather than using Ghost's Windows interface. I find this process simple,
straightforward, and effective.



PREPARING THE GHOST FLOPPY DISK



1. Insert a blank floppy disk. It need not be formatted.

2. Access your Ghost program. Make sure you have the latest version 2003.793
(as of 10/04). Use Symantec's LiveUpdate feature in the Ghost program to
check for updates to the Ghost program.

3. Click on Ghost Utilities and select Norton Ghost Boot Wizard.

4. Select Standard Ghost Boot Disk. On the following dialog box (assuming
you have USB 2.0 capability), select "USB 2.0 Support" and check "Assign DOS
drive letters". Click Next.

5. Select the "Use PC-DOS" option in the next dialog box.

6. Complete the process following the screen prompts.

7. Remove floppy and label accordingly.



With the USB external hard drive connected to your computer and powered up,
boot up with the Ghost floppy and perform the cloning operation. You should
be able to easily perform this operation by stepping through Ghost's
informative dialog boxes, however, if you need step-by-step instructions I
will be glad to furnish them. Just remember that when you're cloning from
the internal hard drive to the USB external hard drive, the source disk is
your internal hard drive and the destination disk is your USB external hard
drive. Remember to disconnect any other storage devices you may have
connected to your computer (ZIP drives, flash/jump drives, etc.) before you
begin the cloning operation.



You can also perform the cloning operation in reverse, i.e., from the
external hard drive to the internal one, thus restoring your internal drive
should the need arise. Naturally in this situation the external hard drive
becomes the source disk and the internal hard drive the destination disk.
BTW, the cloned USB external hard drive will not be bootable - at least in
my experience with XP. I have read many comments in the various newsgroups
and websites to the effect that an external USB hard drive is bootable as
long as it's supported by the motherboard's BIOS. But I've yet to achieve
this capability even with motherboard's purporting to have this capability.



Art

Art wrote:
"jimbo" wrote in message
...

I have physical HD "C" with Win98, FAT32 and physical HD "D" with WinXP,
NTFS as a dual boot system using WinXP boot loader. Everything works just
fine.

I want to replace the "D" drive with a new, larger drive. I don't want to
re-install WinXP or lose data from the drive.

I have one of those external USB cases that will take a hard drive or a
DVD. (I bought this device for my laptop computer where I use it for a DVD
burner.)

I have a copy of Norton Ghost 2003 that I have never used.

Can someone give a step by step or point me to a web site for completing
this task?

Thanks, jimbo


Jimbo:

You may find of some value the following article I recently prepared on this
subject for a local computer club. You can install a hard drive in the USB
external enclosure that you already have. As you will note from my article,
I use a Ghost bootable floppy disk to undertake the cloning operation. I
find the simplicity, straightforwardness, and portability aspects of using a
floppy preferable to using Ghost's GUI. But you can use Ghost's Window's
interface to perform the cloning operation should you prefer that method.

USING GHOST 2003 TO CLONE AN INTERNAL HARD DRIVE TO A USB EXTERNAL HARD
DRIVE



The advantage of this process is that for all practical purposes you're
making an exact duplicate of your working internal drive. Everything is
"backed up" - your operating system, registry, programs & applications,
configuration settings, your data files - everything.



Note that in some cases, connecting the USB external hard drive to a USB hub
prevents the cloning process. In those situations, the external drive should
bypass the hub and be directly connected to the computer's USB port.



The cloning process is relatively simple. Other than the external hard drive
you'll be cloning to, disconnect any other external storage device(s), e.
g., ZIP drive, flash drive, from the computer and boot up with the Ghost
floppy disk (see below instructions for preparing the Ghost floppy) and use
the screen displays to select the source (internal hard drive) disk and the
destination (external hard drive) disk.



With a reasonably fast processor, your cloning speed (data transfer) should
be about 400 to 500 MB/min. Should you be using a USB 1.0/1.1 connection,
your cloning speed will be about 40 to 50 MB/min.




I prefer to carry out the cloning operation using a Ghost floppy disk,
rather than using Ghost's Windows interface. I find this process simple,
straightforward, and effective.



PREPARING THE GHOST FLOPPY DISK



1. Insert a blank floppy disk. It need not be formatted.

2. Access your Ghost program. Make sure you have the latest version 2003.793
(as of 10/04). Use Symantec's LiveUpdate feature in the Ghost program to
check for updates to the Ghost program.

3. Click on Ghost Utilities and select Norton Ghost Boot Wizard.

4. Select Standard Ghost Boot Disk. On the following dialog box (assuming
you have USB 2.0 capability), select "USB 2.0 Support" and check "Assign DOS
drive letters". Click Next.

5. Select the "Use PC-DOS" option in the next dialog box.

6. Complete the process following the screen prompts.

7. Remove floppy and label accordingly.



With the USB external hard drive connected to your computer and powered up,
boot up with the Ghost floppy and perform the cloning operation. You should
be able to easily perform this operation by stepping through Ghost's
informative dialog boxes, however, if you need step-by-step instructions I
will be glad to furnish them. Just remember that when you're cloning from
the internal hard drive to the USB external hard drive, the source disk is
your internal hard drive and the destination disk is your USB external hard
drive. Remember to disconnect any other storage devices you may have
connected to your computer (ZIP drives, flash/jump drives, etc.) before you
begin the cloning operation.



You can also perform the cloning operation in reverse, i.e., from the
external hard drive to the internal one, thus restoring your internal drive
should the need arise. Naturally in this situation the external hard drive
becomes the source disk and the internal hard drive the destination disk.
BTW, the cloned USB external hard drive will not be bootable - at least in
my experience with XP. I have read many comments in the various newsgroups
and websites to the effect that an external USB hard drive is bootable as
long as it's supported by the motherboard's BIOS. But I've yet to achieve
this capability even with motherboard's purporting to have this capability.



Art





Thanks for the detailed procedure. Just what I was looking for!

After I finish cloning the existing HD to the new HD, is it then just
a matter of removing the old HD and putting the new HD in it's place?
And what about the difference in HD size. Does the clone occupy the
first xx GB of the new HD or is it there as a xx GB partition? I have
Partition Magic, so it shouldn't be a problem to increase the size of
the cloned partition.

jimbo

"jimbo" wrote in message
...

I have physical HD "C" with Win98, FAT32 and physical HD "D" with WinXP,
NTFS as a dual boot system using WinXP boot loader. Everything works just
fine.

I want to replace the "D" drive with a new, larger drive. I don't want to
re-install WinXP or lose data from the drive.

I have one of those external USB cases that will take a hard drive or a
DVD. (I bought this device for my laptop computer where I use it for a
DVD burner.)

I have a copy of Norton Ghost 2003 that I have never used.

Can someone give a step by step or point me to a web site for completing
this task?

Thanks, jimbo


Art wrote:
Jimbo:

You may find of some value the following article I recently prepared on
this subject for a local computer club. You can install a hard drive in
the USB external enclosure that you already have. As you will note from
my article, I use a Ghost bootable floppy disk to undertake the cloning
operation. I find the simplicity, straightforwardness, and portability
aspects of using a floppy preferable to using Ghost's GUI. But you can
use Ghost's Window's interface to perform the cloning operation should
you prefer that method.

USING GHOST 2003 TO CLONE AN INTERNAL HARD DRIVE TO A USB EXTERNAL HARD
DRIVE

The advantage of this process is that for all practical purposes you're
making an exact duplicate of your working internal drive. Everything is
"backed up" - your operating system, registry, programs & applications,
configuration settings, your data files - everything.

Note that in some cases, connecting the USB external hard drive to a USB
hub prevents the cloning process. In those situations, the external drive
should bypass the hub and be directly connected to the computer's USB
port.

The cloning process is relatively simple. Other than the external hard
drive you'll be cloning to, disconnect any other external storage
device(s), e. g., ZIP drive, flash drive, from the computer and boot up
with the Ghost floppy disk (see below instructions for preparing the
Ghost floppy) and use the screen displays to select the source (internal
hard drive) disk and the destination (external hard drive) disk.

With a reasonably fast processor, your cloning speed (data transfer)
should be about 400 to 500 MB/min. Should you be using a USB 1.0/1.1
connection, your cloning speed will be about 40 to 50 MB/min.

I prefer to carry out the cloning operation using a Ghost floppy disk,
rather than using Ghost's Windows interface. I find this process simple,
straightforward, and effective.

PREPARING THE GHOST FLOPPY DISK

1. Insert a blank floppy disk. It need not be formatted.

2. Access your Ghost program. Make sure you have the latest version
2003.793 (as of 10/04). Use Symantec's LiveUpdate feature in the Ghost
program to check for updates to the Ghost program.

3. Click on Ghost Utilities and select Norton Ghost Boot Wizard.

4. Select Standard Ghost Boot Disk. On the following dialog box (assuming
you have USB 2.0 capability), select "USB 2.0 Support" and check "Assign
DOS drive letters". Click Next.

5. Select the "Use PC-DOS" option in the next dialog box.

6. Complete the process following the screen prompts.

7. Remove floppy and label accordingly.

With the USB external hard drive connected to your computer and powered
up, boot up with the Ghost floppy and perform the cloning operation. You
should be able to easily perform this operation by stepping through
Ghost's informative dialog boxes, however, if you need step-by-step
instructions I will be glad to furnish them. Just remember that when
you're cloning from the internal hard drive to the USB external hard
drive, the source disk is your internal hard drive and the destination
disk is your USB external hard drive. Remember to disconnect any other
storage devices you may have connected to your computer (ZIP drives,
flash/jump drives, etc.) before you begin the cloning operation.

You can also perform the cloning operation in reverse, i.e., from the
external hard drive to the internal one, thus restoring your internal
drive should the need arise. Naturally in this situation the external
hard drive becomes the source disk and the internal hard drive the
destination disk. BTW, the cloned USB external hard drive will not be
bootable - at least in my experience with XP. I have read many comments
in the various newsgroups and websites to the effect that an external USB
hard drive is bootable as long as it's supported by the motherboard's
BIOS. But I've yet to achieve this capability even with motherboard's
purporting to have this capability.

Art

Jimbo wrote...
Thanks for the detailed procedure. Just what I was looking for!

After I finish cloning the existing HD to the new HD, is it then just a
matter of removing the old HD and putting the new HD in it's place? And
what about the difference in HD size. Does the clone occupy the first xx
GB of the new HD or is it there as a xx GB partition? I have Partition
Magic, so it shouldn't be a problem to increase the size of the cloned
partition.

jimbo


Jimbo:
Yes, you could remove the cloned hard drive from its USB enclosure and
install it as a replacement of the hard drive that was used as the source
disk. This assumes that your external hard drive is removable, i.e., it is
not a USB external hard drive unit that is designed in a way that doesn't
allow the drive to be removed from its enclosure, as many of the retail USB
external drives marketed today, for example, the units from Western Digital,
Maxtor, etc. If you purchased the USB enclosure and then installed a hard
drive in that enclosure there would be no problem in removing the drive.
There is another way to achieve your objective (without using a USB external
hard drive) of replacing your old drive with a new, larger one, however,
this involves getting inside of your desktop computer case and making some
cable disconnects/connects involving the old and replacement drives, so I
won't cover that procedure.

As far as the difference in hard drive capacity between the two drives --
the only requirement is that the destination drive be large enough to
contain the contents of the source disk. Obviously that won't be a problem
in your case since it's clear your destination disk will be larger than the
disk you're cloning from.

One other thing... The likelihood is that the XP Activation process will not
be triggered if you are changing only one component of the computer, i.e.,
your hard drive. However, I have run into a situation where a hard drive
change with no other component changes did, in fact, necessitate another
Activation. I cannot explain why this happened, but it did. So be aware of
this.

Art

Jimbo:
Yes, you could remove the cloned hard drive from its USB enclosure and
install it as a replacement of the hard drive that was used as the source
disk. This assumes that your external hard drive is removable, i.e., it is
not a USB external hard drive unit that is designed in a way that doesn't
allow the drive to be removed from its enclosure, as many of the retail USB
external drives marketed today, for example, the units from Western Digital,
Maxtor, etc. If you purchased the USB enclosure and then installed a hard
drive in that enclosure there would be no problem in removing the drive.
There is another way to achieve your objective (without using a USB external
hard drive) of replacing your old drive with a new, larger one, however,
this involves getting inside of your desktop computer case and making some
cable disconnects/connects involving the old and replacement drives, so I
won't cover that procedure.

As far as the difference in hard drive capacity between the two drives --
the only requirement is that the destination drive be large enough to
contain the contents of the source disk. Obviously that won't be a problem
in your case since it's clear your destination disk will be larger than the
disk you're cloning from.

One other thing... The likelihood is that the XP Activation process will not
be triggered if you are changing only one component of the computer, i.e.,
your hard drive. However, I have run into a situation where a hard drive
change with no other component changes did, in fact, necessitate another
Activation. I cannot explain why this happened, but it did. So be aware of
this.

Art

Yes, the hard drive will be a standard EIDE Western Digital WD2000JB
installed in one of those external cases that will take either a DVD
or a hard disk.

I remember reading about installing a new hard drive inside the PC,
doing some recabling, etc. but I already have two hard drives and two
DVDs installed, so there really isn't room for that procedure. I
already had the external USB case, so that seemed like a good possibility.

Thanks again for the great help!

jimbo

"jimbo" wrote in message
...
Jimbo:
Yes, you could remove the cloned hard drive from its USB enclosure and
install it as a replacement of the hard drive that was used as the source
disk. This assumes that your external hard drive is removable, i.e., it
is not a USB external hard drive unit that is designed in a way that
doesn't allow the drive to be removed from its enclosure, as many of the
retail USB external drives marketed today, for example, the units from
Western Digital, Maxtor, etc. If you purchased the USB enclosure and then
installed a hard drive in that enclosure there would be no problem in
removing the drive. There is another way to achieve your objective
(without using a USB external hard drive) of replacing your old drive
with a new, larger one, however, this involves getting inside of your
desktop computer case and making some cable disconnects/connects
involving the old and replacement drives, so I won't cover that
procedure.

As far as the difference in hard drive capacity between the two drives --
the only requirement is that the destination drive be large enough to
contain the contents of the source disk. Obviously that won't be a
problem in your case since it's clear your destination disk will be
larger than the disk you're cloning from.

One other thing... The likelihood is that the XP Activation process will
not be triggered if you are changing only one component of the computer,
i.e., your hard drive. However, I have run into a situation where a hard
drive change with no other component changes did, in fact, necessitate
another Activation. I cannot explain why this happened, but it did. So be
aware of this.

Art

Yes, the hard drive will be a standard EIDE Western Digital WD2000JB
installed in one of those external cases that will take either a DVD or a
hard disk.

I remember reading about installing a new hard drive inside the PC, doing
some recabling, etc. but I already have two hard drives and two DVDs
installed, so there really isn't room for that procedure. I already had
the external USB case, so that seemed like a good possibility.

Thanks again for the great help!

jimbo

Jimbo:
The fact that you presently have two hard drives (I assume one of them is
the hard drive you'll be cloning from) and two other IDE-ATAPI devices
installed in your desktop computer will not prevent you from using the
alternate cloning procedure I previously mentioned. So for the possible
benefit of others who will not be using a USB external hard drive in the
cloning process, let me briefly describe the procedure...

1. Open your desktop computer case and disconnect the IDE ribbon cable from
the hard drive that you will NOT be cloning from. Connect that cable to the
hard drive that you will be cloning to. Naturally that drive will be outside
your computer case so you'll have to prop it up in some fashion in order
that the ribbon cable (and power plug) will reach it. Depending on the size
of the computer case and/or cable length, sometimes you're able to lay the
drive on top of the case on a piece of foam or cardboard. Other times you
can place a cardboard box (or something similar) adjacent to the computer
case and cable connection on which to lay the drive. Handle the drive with
care, holding it by its sides. Avoid touching the electronics panel on the
bottom of the drive. Connect a free Molex power plug to the drive if one is
available. If not, use the power plug from the disconnected drive.
2. After verifying that your connections are OK, insert the Ghost bootable
floppy disk and boot. Make absolutely certain that as you go through the
cloning process, you've correctly selected the source disk (the disk you're
cloning FROM) and the destination disk (the disk you're cloning TO). I
cannot stress this enough. More than one user (including myself!) has (to
his or her dismay) mistakenly identified the source and destination disks
with the usual miserable consequences.
3. After the cloning process ends, disconnect the ribbon cable and power
plug from the newly cloned drive and reconnect these to the drive from which
it was previously removed. Disconnect the ribbon cable and power plug from
your old drive and remove the drive. Then install the newly cloned one in
its place. Make sure your jumper settings on the new drive are identical (in
configuration) to the drive you're replacing. Connect the ribbon cable and
power plug from the old drive to the new one.
4. Boot the computer to verify that all is well. Assuming it is, close the
computer case.

Art

Art wrote:

"jimbo" wrote in message
...

Jimbo:
Yes, you could remove the cloned hard drive from its USB enclosure and
install it as a replacement of the hard drive that was used as the source
disk. This assumes that your external hard drive is removable, i.e., it
is not a USB external hard drive unit that is designed in a way that
doesn't allow the drive to be removed from its enclosure, as many of the
retail USB external drives marketed today, for example, the units from
Western Digital, Maxtor, etc. If you purchased the USB enclosure and then
installed a hard drive in that enclosure there would be no problem in
removing the drive. There is another way to achieve your objective
(without using a USB external hard drive) of replacing your old drive
with a new, larger one, however, this involves getting inside of your
desktop computer case and making some cable disconnects/connects
involving the old and replacement drives, so I won't cover that
procedure.

As far as the difference in hard drive capacity between the two drives --
the only requirement is that the destination drive be large enough to
contain the contents of the source disk. Obviously that won't be a
problem in your case since it's clear your destination disk will be
larger than the disk you're cloning from.

One other thing... The likelihood is that the XP Activation process will
not be triggered if you are changing only one component of the computer,
i.e., your hard drive. However, I have run into a situation where a hard
drive change with no other component changes did, in fact, necessitate
another Activation. I cannot explain why this happened, but it did. So be
aware of this.

Art

Yes, the hard drive will be a standard EIDE Western Digital WD2000JB
installed in one of those external cases that will take either a DVD or a
hard disk.

I remember reading about installing a new hard drive inside the PC, doing
some recabling, etc. but I already have two hard drives and two DVDs
installed, so there really isn't room for that procedure. I already had
the external USB case, so that seemed like a good possibility.

Thanks again for the great help!

jimbo


Jimbo:
The fact that you presently have two hard drives (I assume one of them is
the hard drive you'll be cloning from) and two other IDE-ATAPI devices
installed in your desktop computer will not prevent you from using the
alternate cloning procedure I previously mentioned. So for the possible
benefit of others who will not be using a USB external hard drive in the
cloning process, let me briefly describe the procedure...

1. Open your desktop computer case and disconnect the IDE ribbon cable from
the hard drive that you will NOT be cloning from. Connect that cable to the
hard drive that you will be cloning to. Naturally that drive will be outside
your computer case so you'll have to prop it up in some fashion in order
that the ribbon cable (and power plug) will reach it. Depending on the size
of the computer case and/or cable length, sometimes you're able to lay the
drive on top of the case on a piece of foam or cardboard. Other times you
can place a cardboard box (or something similar) adjacent to the computer
case and cable connection on which to lay the drive. Handle the drive with
care, holding it by its sides. Avoid touching the electronics panel on the
bottom of the drive. Connect a free Molex power plug to the drive if one is
available. If not, use the power plug from the disconnected drive.
2. After verifying that your connections are OK, insert the Ghost bootable
floppy disk and boot. Make absolutely certain that as you go through the
cloning process, you've correctly selected the source disk (the disk you're
cloning FROM) and the destination disk (the disk you're cloning TO). I
cannot stress this enough. More than one user (including myself!) has (to
his or her dismay) mistakenly identified the source and destination disks
with the usual miserable consequences.
3. After the cloning process ends, disconnect the ribbon cable and power
plug from the newly cloned drive and reconnect these to the drive from which
it was previously removed. Disconnect the ribbon cable and power plug from
your old drive and remove the drive. Then install the newly cloned one in
its place. Make sure your jumper settings on the new drive are identical (in
configuration) to the drive you're replacing. Connect the ribbon cable and
power plug from the old drive to the new one.
4. Boot the computer to verify that all is well. Assuming it is, close the
computer case.

Art



Many thanks again for a great post. I have printed your posts for
future use and reference.

jimbo