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win10 software keeps XP from starting.
I have two laptops, win7 and winXP.
I installed some software desigend for win10 in win7 and I coudln't find drivers, so I installed it in winXP and all went well, maybe a little slowly at the end, but the processor is probably a little slower, until it asked if I wanted to restart. Should I have known better than to have done this? Should it have warned me that it doesn't work in XP? Now it doesn't get past the dark, blank screen after the Flash screen. Pressing F8 gave me choices but none, including boot logging, debugging mode, last known good config, and safte mode, get any farther. I'm sure there was a way to start one line at a time, saying Y or N to each one. Isn't that likely to get me past the blank screen so I can uninstall the software? But I don't remember how. TIA |
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In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Sun, 26 Aug 2018 20:16:16
-0400, micky wrote: I have two laptops, win7 and winXP. I installed some software desigend for win10 in win7 and I coudln't find drivers, so I installed it in winXP and all went well, maybe a little slowly at the end, but the processor is probably a little slower, until it asked if I wanted to restart. Should I have known better than to have done this? Should it have warned me that it doesn't work in XP? Now it doesn't get past the dark, blank screen after the Flash screen. Pressing F8 gave me choices but none, including boot logging, debugging mode, last known good config, and safte mode, get any farther. I'm sure there was a way to start one line at a time, saying Y or N to each one. Isn't that likely to get me past the blank screen so I can uninstall the software? But I don't remember how. TIA I don't want to do this, but if need be, I could take the HDD out and connect it to my win10 computer by USB. Then, do you think I could: Find the .inf file that controlled the installation. Will it be in the windows...inf directory? Understand the .inf file enough to undo each of the steps. I figure it installed scores or hundreds of files, but only in 2 or 3 directories, plus one or two files in each of 4 or 5 other directories, plus it modified some start up files, but mostly to put in a line that goes to one of the files I'll be deleting, Shouldn't all of this be noted in the .inf file, if I can find that file? plus maybe some registry changes -- I don't think I can even read the XP registry from win10 but maybe the extra entries won't cause a problem?? |
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micky wrote:
In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Sun, 26 Aug 2018 20:16:16 -0400, micky wrote: I have two laptops, win7 and winXP. I installed some software desigend for win10 in win7 and I coudln't find drivers, so I installed it in winXP and all went well, maybe a little slowly at the end, but the processor is probably a little slower, until it asked if I wanted to restart. Should I have known better than to have done this? Should it have warned me that it doesn't work in XP? Now it doesn't get past the dark, blank screen after the Flash screen. Pressing F8 gave me choices but none, including boot logging, debugging mode, last known good config, and safte mode, get any farther. I'm sure there was a way to start one line at a time, saying Y or N to each one. Isn't that likely to get me past the blank screen so I can uninstall the software? But I don't remember how. TIA I don't want to do this, but if need be, I could take the HDD out and connect it to my win10 computer by USB. Then, do you think I could: Find the .inf file that controlled the installation. Will it be in the windows...inf directory? Understand the .inf file enough to undo each of the steps. I figure it installed scores or hundreds of files, but only in 2 or 3 directories, plus one or two files in each of 4 or 5 other directories, plus it modified some start up files, but mostly to put in a line that goes to one of the files I'll be deleting, Shouldn't all of this be noted in the .inf file, if I can find that file? plus maybe some registry changes -- I don't think I can even read the XP registry from win10 but maybe the extra entries won't cause a problem?? Using your Macrium CD, make a backup of the WinXP C: partition as it now stands. You can do both backups and restores of the entire C: partition, from the emergency CD. No OS need be functional to make a backup, with the Macrium Reflect Free CD. ******* Next, consider that Windows has things like F8 Safe Mode as well as rstrui.exe (System Restore using restore points). If you restore a Restore Point while in Safe Mode, there is no Undo. If you restore using a Restore Point when the OS is fully operational, there is supposed to be an Undo for that. Restore points usually have some sort of description, and it's possible when you ran the Win10 software, that the description for the Restore Point mentions the name or brand of what was used. You can also shut off Restore Points in WinXP. Possibly via the System control panel. When shut off, installing a program would cause no Restore Point to be made, and then there's no copy of the Registry available as a benefit of using the Restore Point later. Summary: I hope you had Restore Points configured... ******* Another capability WinXP has got, is "Last Known Good" from Safe Mode (F8). But as far as I know, that's purely for Registry problems, and for a subset of the Registry. The "CurrentControlSet" has two other copies appropriately labeled, which can be called into action if there is trouble. I don't really think that's going to help you right now. I'm betting on a Restore Point instead. https://kb.wisc.edu/helpdesk/page.php?id=5836 Paul |
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On 8/26/2018 5:16 PM, micky wrote:
I have two laptops, win7 and winXP. I installed some software desigend for win10 in win7 and I coudln't find drivers, Normally, "software" does not require "drivers". Hardware requires drivers. So, exactly what software/hardware/drivers did you install? I've had some success booting the Hirens CD and deleting offending programs. That probably won't work if the display driver is what's borked. There are programs that claim to be able to edit the registry on a different system. I've never made any of them to work. Can't recall any specifics. Apparently, it is possible to edit a file and make the system restart in oobe mode and redetect hardware like sysprep would do. Can't find any reference to that in the archives either. Someone else may know. But disclosing your EXACT situation might be helpful. so I installed it in winXP and all went well, maybe a little slowly at the end, but the processor is probably a little slower, until it asked if I wanted to restart. Should I have known better than to have done this? Should it have warned me that it doesn't work in XP? Now it doesn't get past the dark, blank screen after the Flash screen. Pressing F8 gave me choices but none, including boot logging, debugging mode, last known good config, and safte mode, get any farther. I'm sure there was a way to start one line at a time, saying Y or N to each one. Isn't that likely to get me past the blank screen so I can uninstall the software? But I don't remember how. TIA |
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win10 software keeps XP from starting.
In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Sun, 26 Aug 2018 20:16:16
-0400, micky wrote: Pressing F8 gave me choices but none, including boot logging, debugging mode, last known good config, and safte mode, get any farther. I'm sure there was a way to start one line at a time, saying Y or N to each one. Isn't that likely to get me past the blank screen so I can uninstall the software? But I don't remember how. I had forgotten a lot. I don't know where it ask Y or N, but with Safe Mode with Networking, it at least displays a line for every item it loads. Only those that load successfully right, so the problem is (usually?) in the next line???? Here is part of ntbtlog.txt Loaded driver aswVmm.sys Loaded driver sisagp.sys Loaded driver viaagp.sys Loaded driver Mup.sys Loaded driver aswbunivx.sys Loaded driver aswblogx.sys Loaded driver aswbidshx.sys Loaded driver alim1541.sys Loaded driver amdagp.sys Loaded driver agp440.sys Loaded driver agpCPQ.sys ====== This is the last file displayed. Did not load driver ACPI Multiprocessor PC ========= From here on down, no show Did not load driver Audio Codecs Did not load driver Legacy Audio Drivers Did not load driver Media Control Devices Did not load driver Legacy Video Capture Devices Did not load driver Video Codecs Did not load driver WAN Miniport (L2TP) Did not load driver WAN Miniport (IP) Did not load driver WAN Miniport (PPPOE) Did not load driver WAN Miniport (PPTP) ...... followed by loads of "did not load" and towards the end, a few successes. So what about ACPI Multipprocessor PC would be harder to load than the other things. At any rate, Sunday night after the problem started I tried to start, with almost every option listed, and I waited 4 or 5 minutes while the screen was dark every time. Then today Iused Hirens to look at various things and copy my data files off of it, and then I realized that starting in Safe mode doesn't ask Y or N in XP but it does display the liast above, stopping in my case at agpCPQ.sys. So while I was typing up an article to post in this thread, I ended up waiting not just 5 minutes but about 10 minutes, and by golly windows started. It ran very slow though, lots of things. But I restarted Windows and it only took a minute to start, and ran at normal speed once it was started. I don't understand any of this. Does something happen the first time something is loaded? I'll continue this tomorrow. |
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In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Mon, 27 Aug 2018 10:57:01
-0700, mike wrote: On 8/26/2018 5:16 PM, micky wrote: I have two laptops, win7 and winXP. I installed some software desigend for win10 in win7 and I coudln't find drivers, Normally, "software" does not require "drivers". Hardware requires drivers. Aha. Yes. There is software and a cable to connect the laptop to the car. So, exactly what software/hardware/drivers did you install? Toyota Techstream knockoff. I'm somewhat embarrassed by this, but to pay full price would be iirc $500 to 700 for the cable and 1500 a year for a subscription. I haven't looked at the prices for a year, but that's about what it costs. I otoh have some knockoff. I've had some success booting the Hirens CD and deleting offending programs. That probably won't work if the display driver is what's borked. As I say in the other post, it wasn't the display driver and indeed, after waiting 10 minutes or more, while I was writing one of these posts and I was going to type up one of the lines on the screen, it ended up starting. It seemed to stop at line 79 of what became the bootlog. Out of 2066 lines total. "79 Did not load driver ACPI Multiprocessor PC" I haven't quite finished installation, however, so I don't know if it works. There are programs that claim to be able to edit the registry on a different system. I've never made any of them to work. Can't recall any specifics. Apparently, it is possible to edit a file and make the system restart in oobe mode and redetect hardware like sysprep would do. oobe? Can't find any reference to that in the archives either. Someone else may know. But disclosing your EXACT situation might be helpful. so I installed it in winXP and all went well, maybe a little slowly at the end, but the processor is probably a little slower, until it asked if I wanted to restart. Should I have known better than to have done this? Should it have warned me that it doesn't work in XP? Now it doesn't get past the dark, blank screen after the Flash screen. Pressing F8 gave me choices but none, including boot logging, debugging mode, last known good config, and safte mode, get any farther. I'm sure there was a way to start one line at a time, saying Y or N to each one. Isn't that likely to get me past the blank screen so I can uninstall the software? But I don't remember how. TIA |
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mike wrote:
On 8/26/2018 5:16 PM, micky wrote: I have two laptops, win7 and winXP. I installed some software desigend for win10 in win7 and I coudln't find drivers, Normally, "software" does not require "drivers". Hardware requires drivers. So, exactly what software/hardware/drivers did you install? The software he's using, comes with an FTDI RS232 driver. The inside of the USB dongle, uses a USB to RS232 type chip to talk to a SOC on the dongle. The driver doesn't know about the SOC. The driver thinks the thing is a serial port. Higher level software communicates to that serial port, and parses commands from/to the SOC. And obviously, installing a serial port driver should not have tipped the computer over. Something else inside the software download, did. Paul |
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In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Mon, 27 Aug 2018 02:57:20
-0400, Paul wrote: micky wrote: In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Sun, 26 Aug 2018 20:16:16 -0400, micky wrote: I have two laptops, win7 and winXP. I installed some software desigend for win10 in win7 and I coudln't find drivers, so I installed it in winXP and all went well, maybe a little slowly at the end, but the processor is probably a little slower, until it asked if I wanted to restart. Should I have known better than to have done this? Should it have warned me that it doesn't work in XP? Now it doesn't get past the dark, blank screen after the Flash screen. Pressing F8 gave me choices but none, including boot logging, debugging mode, last known good config, and safte mode, get any farther. I'm sure there was a way to start one line at a time, saying Y or N to each one. Isn't that likely to get me past the blank screen so I can uninstall the software? But I don't remember how. TIA I don't want to do this, but if need be, I could take the HDD out and connect it to my win10 computer by USB. Then, do you think I could: Find the .inf file that controlled the installation. Will it be in the windows...inf directory? Understand the .inf file enough to undo each of the steps. I figure it installed scores or hundreds of files, but only in 2 or 3 directories, plus one or two files in each of 4 or 5 other directories, plus it modified some start up files, but mostly to put in a line that goes to one of the files I'll be deleting, Shouldn't all of this be noted in the .inf file, if I can find that file? plus maybe some registry changes -- I don't think I can even read the XP registry from win10 but maybe the extra entries won't cause a problem?? Using your Macrium CD, make a backup of the WinXP C: partition as it now stands. You can do both backups and restores of the entire C: partition, from the emergency CD. No OS need be functional to make a backup, with the Macrium Reflect Free CD. Even though it's running now, i've dl'd macrium to the netbook and as soon as I can connect something big enough, I'll be doing the backup. it's 90 gigs and it does indeed have a recovery partition**, PQService 7GB, 5.75 in use. !!!!!!! But I've looked more and everyone says what you did, Alt-F10, which I tried two or three times, but elsehwere it said it might have to be enabled in the BIOS so I'll look for that. BTW, I just restarted it and it says it will be installing updates!!!! Installing update 1 of 72 !!!! I haven't really used the thing since last fall. But I did turn it off yesterday, and it didnt update. I guess I turned it off before it dl'd the upates? These are all security updates, right, nothing that will make my new software run right, right? 7 minutes just to install the first already downloaded update. I was going to go out but I don't wnat to leave in the middle of this. **I've never had a recovery partition before. First computer was a PCJr. Didn't have one. Then a second hand XT, wouldn't have had one even if new. Then one I built. If I were smart I would have put one in but I wasn't that smart. Then one from a friend that had had hte OS reloaded and I think the rec part was gone. Then a desktop upgraded from Vista to 7 to win10 and somewhere the rec part got lost. And a laptop that the vendor, a computer shop, reloaded. Although maybe it has one. I haven't looked. ******* Next, consider that Windows has things like F8 Safe Mode as well as rstrui.exe (System Restore using restore points). If you restore a Restore Point while in Safe Mode, there is no Undo. If you restore using a Restore Point when the OS is fully operational, there is supposed to be an Undo for that. Restore points usually have some sort of description, and it's possible when you ran the Win10 software, that the description for the Restore Point mentions the name or brand of what was used. You can also shut off Restore Points in WinXP. Possibly via the System control panel. When shut off, installing a program would cause no Restore Point to be made, and then there's no copy of the Registry available as a benefit of using the Restore Point later. Summary: I hope you had Restore Points configured... ******* Another capability WinXP has got, is "Last Known Good" from Safe Mode (F8). But as far as I know, that's purely for Registry problems, and for a subset of the Registry. The "CurrentControlSet" has two other copies appropriately labeled, which can be called into action if there is trouble. I don't really think that's going to help you right now. I'm betting on a Restore Point instead. https://kb.wisc.edu/helpdesk/page.php?id=5836 Paul |
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micky wrote:
Even though it's running now, i've dl'd macrium to the netbook and as soon as I can connect something big enough, I'll be doing the backup. it's 90 gigs and it does indeed have a recovery partition**, PQService 7GB, 5.75 in use. !!!!!!! But I've looked more and everyone says what you did, Alt-F10, which I tried two or three times, but elsehwere it said it might have to be enabled in the BIOS so I'll look for that. I don't know why they'd bother doing that. The BIOS option to press alt-F10 should really be left running all the time (for convenience). Who is going to remember to enter the BIOS and turn something like that on ? BTW, I just restarted it and it says it will be installing updates!!!! Installing update 1 of 72 !!!! I haven't really used the thing since last fall. But I did turn it off yesterday, and it didnt update. I guess I turned it off before it dl'd the upates? These are all security updates, right, nothing that will make my new software run right, right? Normally, most of the security updates are selected, while the optional updates are unticked. That means you're getting security ones. You can configure Windows Update on WinXP. There is a registry entry with a number between 0..4, and one of the options keeps the automation switched off. 7 minutes just to install the first already downloaded update. I was going to go out but I don't wnat to leave in the middle of this. It could take a while. **I've never had a recovery partition before. First computer was a PCJr. Didn't have one. Then a second hand XT, wouldn't have had one even if new. Then one I built. If I were smart I would have put one in but I wasn't that smart. Then one from a friend that had had hte OS reloaded and I think the rec part was gone. Then a desktop upgraded from Vista to 7 to win10 and somewhere the rec part got lost. And a laptop that the vendor, a computer shop, reloaded. Although maybe it has one. I haven't looked. When you do your first backup, you can select that partition too and include it. That's to protect you from a hard drive failure. Once a new hard drive is installed, you can then put the PQService on the new drive. Normally, recovery partitions are set up so that you can make one DVD copy of the partition (may take more than one DvD) For example, Win7 takes three single-sided DVDs. But once you burn one set, the software won't offer to burn any more sets. If you can find a "reset procedure" for the PQService, maybe you can squeak a second set of DVDs out of it. Having such DVDs, spares you from any "alt-F10" trauma. Paul |
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On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 01:27:23 +0100, ? Good Guy ?
wrote: On 27/08/2018 01:16, micky wrote: Should I have known better than to have done this? Should it have warned me that it doesn't work in XP? Did you tell them that you are an idiot with a very small brain? No, that would be you for not understanding the problem. The OP apparently installed Win 10 software on his PC. Of course , Win 10 is a dumb terminal specialized in datamining and profiling, so it messed up his REAL OS. I suggest he reinstall, if a system restore won't work. []'s -- Don't be evil - Google 2004 We have a new policy - Google 2012 |
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In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Tue, 28 Aug 2018 14:34:32
-0400, Paul wrote: micky wrote: Even though it's running now, i've dl'd macrium to the netbook and as soon as I can connect something big enough, I'll be doing the backup. it's 90 gigs and it does indeed have a recovery partition**, PQService 7GB, 5.75 in use. !!!!!!! But I've looked more and everyone says what you did, Alt-F10, which I tried two or three times, but elsehwere it said it might have to be enabled in the BIOS so I'll look for that. I don't know why they'd bother doing that. The BIOS option to press alt-F10 should really be left running all the time (for convenience). Who is going to remember to enter the BIOS and turn something like that on ? I don't even know if it's true or not. I shut down windows some time before I wrote that, about 2PM my time BTW, I just restarted it and it says it will be installing updates!!!! Installing update 1 of 72 !!!! And now it's 7PM my time and it's instalilng update 57, after 5 hours. I hope this doesn't screw things up! Can I stop it in the middle, despite the mesage that says not to turn it off? I haven't really used the thing since last fall. But I did turn it off yesterday, and it didnt update. I guess I turned it off before it dl'd the upates? These are all security updates, right, nothing that will make my new software run right, right? Normally, most of the security updates are selected, while the optional updates are unticked. That means you're getting security ones. There was no ticking invovled. No list, no explanation, no optional. It just says "installing update 1 of 72 .." Once, for 7, iirc, an update caused a problem so I found the update in the windows directory and undid it. That worked. I hope I don't have to undo 72 updates. ;-) You can configure Windows Update on WinXP. There is a registry entry with a number between 0..4, and one of the options keeps the automation switched off. 7 minutes just to install the first already downloaded update. I was going to go out but I don't wnat to leave in the middle of this. It could take a while. **I've never had a recovery partition before. First computer was a PCJr. Didn't have one. Then a second hand XT, wouldn't have had one even if new. Then one I built. If I were smart I would have put one in but I wasn't that smart. Then one from a friend that had had hte OS reloaded and I think the rec part was gone. Then a desktop upgraded from Vista to 7 to win10 and somewhere the rec part got lost. And a laptop that the vendor, a computer shop, reloaded. Although maybe it has one. I haven't looked. When you do your first backup, you can select that partition too and include it. That's to protect you from a hard drive failure. Once a new hard drive is installed, you can then put the PQService on the new drive. Normally, recovery partitions are set up so that you can make one DVD copy of the partition (may take more than one DvD) For example, Win7 takes three single-sided DVDs. But once you burn one set, the software won't offer to burn any more sets. If you can find a "reset procedure" for the PQService, maybe you can squeak a second set of DVDs out of it. Having such DVDs, spares you from any "alt-F10" trauma. Paul |
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In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Tue, 28 Aug 2018 19:06:03
-0400, micky wrote: In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Tue, 28 Aug 2018 14:34:32 -0400, Paul wrote: micky wrote: Even though it's running now, i've dl'd macrium to the netbook and as soon as I can connect something big enough, I'll be doing the backup. it's 90 gigs and it does indeed have a recovery partition**, PQService 7GB, 5.75 in use. !!!!!!! But I've looked more and everyone says what you did, Alt-F10, which I tried two or three times, but elsehwere it said it might have to be enabled in the BIOS so I'll look for that. I don't know why they'd bother doing that. The BIOS option to press alt-F10 should really be left running all the time (for convenience). Who is going to remember to enter the BIOS and turn something like that on ? I don't even know if it's true or not. I shut down windows some time before I wrote that, about 2PM my time BTW, I just restarted it and it says it will be installing updates!!!! Installing update 1 of 72 !!!! And now it's 7PM my time and it's instalilng update 57, after 5 hours. Well, it took more than 6.5 hours. I wanted to wait but by 8:30 I was hungry so I left when it was on update 70, and when I got back, it was done. It took 8 minutes to start, which is not bad. Especially since I think it has to run one or more virus checking programs. I don't know because being XP, it doesn't say what the updates are. Starting the next time took about 1 minute. Since I've found that 5 minutes waiting is not enough because it took 10, that means I really have to wait 20 to be sure. And it could take longer than 10, and longer than 20, so I think I have to wait 30 to be sure. BTW, I went into the bios and there was a line Enable D2D Recovery. And it was enabled, but I disabled it and later I'll re-enable it and see if that makes a difference. But I read about it and it puts everything back the way it was sold, including deleting all the data. While I made a list of all the data on that computer that's not on others, and all the programs installed, there are still other settings scattered throughout that I haven't saved and dont' remember where they are to be set. Doing a complete reset is my last ditch option, after trying to find a problem and fixing it. One thing I could do with the recovery partition is, if I find files that are missing or I'm not sure of (not that this will happen, but theoretically), I can unhide the recovery partition and copy files from it to the C: partition. I hope this doesn't screw things up! Can I stop it in the middle, despite the mesage that says not to turn it off? I haven't really used the thing since last fall. But I did turn it off yesterday, and it didnt update. I guess I turned it off before it dl'd the upates? These are all security updates, right, nothing that will make my new software run right, right? Normally, most of the security updates are selected, while the optional updates are unticked. That means you're getting security ones. There was no ticking invovled. No list, no explanation, no optional. It just says "installing update 1 of 72 .." Once, for 7, iirc, an update caused a problem so I found the update in the windows directory and undid it. That worked. I hope I don't have to undo 72 updates. ;-) You can configure Windows Update on WinXP. There is a registry entry with a number between 0..4, and one of the options keeps the automation switched off. It notifies me and I have to say when. Didn't require going to the registry. 7 minutes just to install the first already downloaded update. I was going to go out but I don't wnat to leave in the middle of this. It could take a while. **I've never had a recovery partition before. First computer was a PCJr. Didn't have one. Then a second hand XT, wouldn't have had one even if new. Then one I built. If I were smart I would have put one in but I wasn't that smart. Then one from a friend that had had hte OS reloaded and I think the rec part was gone. Then a desktop upgraded from Vista to 7 to win10 and somewhere the rec part got lost. And a laptop that the vendor, a computer shop, reloaded. Although maybe it has one. I haven't looked. When you do your first backup, you can select that partition too and include it. That's to protect you from a hard drive failure. Once a new hard drive is installed, you can then put the PQService on the new drive. Good, and good. Normally, recovery partitions are set up so that you can make one DVD copy of the partition (may take more than one DvD) For example, Win7 takes three single-sided DVDs. But once you burn one set, the software won't offer to burn any more sets. If you can find a "reset procedure" for the PQService, maybe you can squeak a second set of DVDs out of it. Having such DVDs, spares you from any "alt-F10" trauma. Paul |
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win10 software keeps XP from starting.
In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Sun, 26 Aug 2018 20:16:16
-0400, micky wrote: I have two laptops, win7 and winXP. I installed some software desigend for win10 in win7 and I coudln't find drivers, so I installed it in winXP and all went well, maybe a little slowly at the end, but the processor is probably a little slower, until it asked if I wanted to restart. Should I have known better than to have done this? Should it have warned me that it doesn't work in XP? Now it doesn't get past the dark, blank screen after the Flash screen. Pressing F8 gave me choices but none, including boot logging, debugging mode, last known good config, and safte mode, get any farther. I'm sure there was a way to start one line at a time, saying Y or N to each one. Isn't that likely to get me past the blank screen so I can uninstall the software? But I don't remember how. Although I didn't yet remember how I used to go line by line, at least I figured out what the files are, I think, that specify those lines. System.ini and win.ini. Are there other files that load software during startup? Or is this left over from win98 and I'm barking up the wrong tree? I put Hiren's on a flashdrive so it appears as a CD and I can go in and run a version of XP (and while I was there I made copies of almost all of the data files I might want, in case I can't fix XP**) win.ini makes reference to only one file, mapi32.dll sytem.ini makes reference to two, mmdrv.dll timer.drv I thought there would be lots of files listed in these two files, but there are only 3. Where are all the startup files listed? NTBTLOG.TXT has 2000 lines. Where is the file that lists all the fielsprograms to be loaded? So far, it can't find msconfig. BACKING UP DATA USING HIRENS: **I only used this computer a tiny bit at home and on an 80 day trip I took 18 months ago. So I looked through all the data files and the new stuff was only in the Text subdirectory, and I just copied the whole thing Download directory, the whole thing. Took 31 minutes. Email outbox. I already have all the incoming mail because I didn't delete it from the server, and I have a copy of outgoing mail that I sent to myself, but it will a little bit easier to merge with my home-computer outbox now. I just need a list of the software I've got installed. Halfway done with that. I copied all this to the flashdrive that is holding Hirens. Hirens has its own file manager, but I was able to use my favorite file manager that was already on XP. I can't start a second copy, I think, without some extra effort. |
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win10 software keeps XP from starting.
micky wrote:
In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Sun, 26 Aug 2018 20:16:16 -0400, micky wrote: I have two laptops, win7 and winXP. I installed some software desigend for win10 in win7 and I coudln't find drivers, so I installed it in winXP and all went well, maybe a little slowly at the end, but the processor is probably a little slower, until it asked if I wanted to restart. Should I have known better than to have done this? Should it have warned me that it doesn't work in XP? Now it doesn't get past the dark, blank screen after the Flash screen. Pressing F8 gave me choices but none, including boot logging, debugging mode, last known good config, and safte mode, get any farther. I'm sure there was a way to start one line at a time, saying Y or N to each one. Isn't that likely to get me past the blank screen so I can uninstall the software? But I don't remember how. Although I didn't yet remember how I used to go line by line, at least I figured out what the files are, I think, that specify those lines. System.ini and win.ini. Are there other files that load software during startup? Or is this left over from win98 and I'm barking up the wrong tree? I put Hiren's on a flashdrive so it appears as a CD and I can go in and run a version of XP (and while I was there I made copies of almost all of the data files I might want, in case I can't fix XP**) win.ini makes reference to only one file, mapi32.dll sytem.ini makes reference to two, mmdrv.dll timer.drv I thought there would be lots of files listed in these two files, but there are only 3. Where are all the startup files listed? NTBTLOG.TXT has 2000 lines. Where is the file that lists all the fielsprograms to be loaded? So far, it can't find msconfig. BACKING UP DATA USING HIRENS: **I only used this computer a tiny bit at home and on an 80 day trip I took 18 months ago. So I looked through all the data files and the new stuff was only in the Text subdirectory, and I just copied the whole thing Download directory, the whole thing. Took 31 minutes. Email outbox. I already have all the incoming mail because I didn't delete it from the server, and I have a copy of outgoing mail that I sent to myself, but it will a little bit easier to merge with my home-computer outbox now. I just need a list of the software I've got installed. Halfway done with that. I copied all this to the flashdrive that is holding Hirens. Hirens has its own file manager, but I was able to use my favorite file manager that was already on XP. I can't start a second copy, I think, without some extra effort. Here are three OSes and their root level files. No system.ini or win.ini in these three. https://s33.postimg.cc/w3hoa2oq7/INI_FILE_SAMPLER.gif Would you be looking at the root of Hirens by chance ? INI files are just text files, and if some INI format accepts #include directive, the files could be loaded by some other file. Paul |
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win10 software keeps XP from starting.
On 8/29/2018 10:45 AM, micky wrote:
In microsoft.public.windowsxp.general, on Sun, 26 Aug 2018 20:16:16 -0400, wrote: I have two laptops, win7 and winXP. I installed some software desigend for win10 in win7 and I coudln't find drivers, so I installed it in winXP and all went well, maybe a little slowly at the end, but the processor is probably a little slower, until it asked if I wanted to restart. Should I have known better than to have done this? Should it have warned me that it doesn't work in XP? Now it doesn't get past the dark, blank screen after the Flash screen. Pressing F8 gave me choices but none, including boot logging, debugging mode, last known good config, and safte mode, get any farther. I'm sure there was a way to start one line at a time, saying Y or N to each one. Isn't that likely to get me past the blank screen so I can uninstall the software? But I don't remember how. Although I didn't yet remember how I used to go line by line, at least I figured out what the files are, I think, that specify those lines. System.ini and win.ini. Are there other files that load software during startup? Or is this left over from win98 and I'm barking up the wrong tree? I put Hiren's on a flashdrive so it appears as a CD and I can go in and run a version of XP (and while I was there I made copies of almost all of the data files I might want, in case I can't fix XP**) win.ini makes reference to only one file, mapi32.dll sytem.ini makes reference to two, mmdrv.dll timer.drv I thought there would be lots of files listed in these two files, but there are only 3. Where are all the startup files listed? NTBTLOG.TXT has 2000 lines. Where is the file that lists all the fielsprograms to be loaded? So far, it can't find msconfig. BACKING UP DATA USING HIRENS: **I only used this computer a tiny bit at home and on an 80 day trip I took 18 months ago. So I looked through all the data files and the new stuff was only in the Text subdirectory, and I just copied the whole thing Download directory, the whole thing. Took 31 minutes. Email outbox. I already have all the incoming mail because I didn't delete it from the server, and I have a copy of outgoing mail that I sent to myself, but it will a little bit easier to merge with my home-computer outbox now. I just need a list of the software I've got installed. Halfway done with that. I copied all this to the flashdrive that is holding Hirens. Hirens has its own file manager, but I was able to use my favorite file manager that was already on XP. I can't start a second copy, I think, without some extra effort. Micky: Some things are started from registry entries. the seven run keys in the registry that are used to start programs: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\Run HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\RunOnce HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\RunServices HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\RunServicesOnce HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curr entVersion\RunOnce\Setup HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curre ntVersion\Run HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Curre ntVersion\RunOnce You can use REGEDIT to remove un wanted registery entries. CAUTION Mucking about with the registery is inherently dangerous!! If you don't know what you are doing you can "FUBAR" a system to the point of needing to reinstall Windows. John -- |
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