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Permanently stop WU Auto Restarts
This is mostly for the diehard Windows 7 fans who often mention auto
reboots after running Windows Update as a huge problem with Windows 10. Those of you who use and trust the settings in Windows Update probably don't need this info. It is nice to have Windows ask you to download updates instead of updates happening automagically. Permanently stop WU Auto Restarts Copy paste in Run: C:\Windows\System32\Tasks\Microsoft\Windows\Update Orchestrator This will take you to a folder with a few files inside. Rename the file called Reboot to Reboot.bak Note: You may have to take ownership of the file to do this. Next make a new folder where the Reboot.bak file resides. Name this folder Reboot. Close everything and the computer is now set to 'never' reboot automatically after Windows Updates. Reverse this and the computer goes back to stock auto reboots after updates. Scheduled reboots will not work either. You have to click Reboot manually or the computer will 'never' reboot. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Change Windows Update to ASK you to download and install updates: No more automagic updates without you knowing. This doesn't work in Win 10 Home, only Win 10 Pro and above benefit from this setting. Do the Reboot steps first or the .reg file won't work. Copy/Paste the following text into notepad and save it as - Notify for download.reg, then double click the .reg file to merge it into the registry. ______ Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00 [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Win dows\WindowsUpdate\AU] "AUOptions"=dword:00000002 _____ This .reg file changes the keys' DWord value to 2. This is the value that forces Windows 10 to ASK you to download the updates. This feature was available in the earliest versions of Win 10 but soon disappeared as Microsofts choice was to hide this registry key. The key only becomes visible and usable AFTER you fix the auto reboot. If you have not done the reboot fix the key doesn't show up in the registry and the .reg file does not work. The above changes the Windows Update message to: "We'll ask you to download updates, except when updates are required to keep Windows running smoothly. In that case we will automatically download updates" After you apply the .reg file you have to click 'Check for Updates' for the above message to appear. -- JT |
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Permanently stop WU Auto Restarts
"Justin Tyme" wrote in message
... This is mostly for the diehard Windows 7 fans who often mention auto reboots after running Windows Update as a huge problem with Windows 10. Those of you who use and trust the settings in Windows Update probably don't need this info. It is nice to have Windows ask you to download updates instead of updates happening automagically. Permanently stop WU Auto Restarts Copy paste in Run: C:\Windows\System32\Tasks\Microsoft\Windows\Update Orchestrator snipe.... That path not valid for Windows 7 Bob S |
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Bob_S wrote:
"Justin Tyme" wrote in message ... This is mostly for the diehard Windows 7 fans who often mention auto reboots after running Windows Update as a huge problem with Windows 10. Those of you who use and trust the settings in Windows Update probably don't need this info. It is nice to have Windows ask you to download updates instead of updates happening automagically. Permanently stop WU Auto Restarts Copy paste in Run: C:\Windows\System32\Tasks\Microsoft\Windows\Update Orchestrator snipe.... That path not valid for Windows 7 Bob S UpdateOrchestrator only exists on Windows 10. Why would you care about it on Windows 7 ? It's not part of how Windows Update works there. Windows 7 has the 0..4 setting that actually works to give the user control over updates. UpdateOrchestrator, as the name implies, is an Enterprise scheme for beating employees into compliance. If you disable Windows Update (or try), there are task scheduler entries owned by UpdateOrchestrator, which are there to defeat your attempts. A guess would be, it's also placed on regular user desktop systems for "test" purposes. Microsoft uses the desktop fleet, to ensure a higher quality on the Enterprise releases later. So if you want to play Whack-A-Mole with Windows Update in Windows 10, you have to defeat two things. Defeat Windows Update itself. But also defeat UpdateOrchestrator plus the garbage stuffed into Task Scheduler. It's a kind of belt-and-suspenders thing from Microsoft (pretty close to a tag-team malware design). Paul |
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On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 01:04:06 -0400, Paul
wrote: Bob_S wrote: "Justin Tyme" wrote in message ... This is mostly for the diehard Windows 7 fans who often mention auto reboots after running Windows Update as a huge problem with Windows 10. Those of you who use and trust the settings in Windows Update probably don't need this info. It is nice to have Windows ask you to download updates instead of updates happening automagically. Permanently stop WU Auto Restarts Copy paste in Run: C:\Windows\System32\Tasks\Microsoft\Windows\Update Orchestrator snipe.... That path not valid for Windows 7 Bob S UpdateOrchestrator only exists on Windows 10. Why would you care about it on Windows 7 ? It's not part of how Windows Update works there. Windows 7 has the 0..4 setting that actually works to give the user control over updates. UpdateOrchestrator, as the name implies, is an Enterprise scheme for beating employees into compliance. If you disable Windows Update (or try), there are task scheduler entries owned by UpdateOrchestrator, which are there to defeat your attempts. A guess would be, it's also placed on regular user desktop systems for "test" purposes. Microsoft uses the desktop fleet, to ensure a higher quality on the Enterprise releases later. So if you want to play Whack-A-Mole with Windows Update in Windows 10, you have to defeat two things. Defeat Windows Update itself. But also defeat UpdateOrchestrator plus the garbage stuffed into Task Scheduler. It's a kind of belt-and-suspenders thing from Microsoft (pretty close to a tag-team malware design). Paul This only stops auto reboot, it doesn't interfere with Windows update, it just won't reboot on it's own. You have to click reboot but other than that everything works normally in Windows Update. A person can easily reverse it and it goes back to default. If you have any doubts try it in a VM. -- JT |
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On Sun, 26 Aug 2018 22:48:13 -0700, Justin Tyme
wrote: On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 01:04:06 -0400, Paul wrote: Bob_S wrote: "Justin Tyme" wrote in message ... This is mostly for the diehard Windows 7 fans who often mention auto reboots after running Windows Update as a huge problem with Windows 10. Those of you who use and trust the settings in Windows Update probably don't need this info. It is nice to have Windows ask you to download updates instead of updates happening automagically. Permanently stop WU Auto Restarts Copy paste in Run: C:\Windows\System32\Tasks\Microsoft\Windows\Update Orchestrator snipe.... That path not valid for Windows 7 Bob S UpdateOrchestrator only exists on Windows 10. Why would you care about it on Windows 7 ? It's not part of how Windows Update works there. Windows 7 has the 0..4 setting that actually works to give the user control over updates. UpdateOrchestrator, as the name implies, is an Enterprise scheme for beating employees into compliance. If you disable Windows Update (or try), there are task scheduler entries owned by UpdateOrchestrator, which are there to defeat your attempts. A guess would be, it's also placed on regular user desktop systems for "test" purposes. Microsoft uses the desktop fleet, to ensure a higher quality on the Enterprise releases later. So if you want to play Whack-A-Mole with Windows Update in Windows 10, you have to defeat two things. Defeat Windows Update itself. But also defeat UpdateOrchestrator plus the garbage stuffed into Task Scheduler. It's a kind of belt-and-suspenders thing from Microsoft (pretty close to a tag-team malware design). Paul This only stops auto reboot, it doesn't interfere with Windows update, it just won't reboot on it's own. You have to click reboot but other than that everything works normally in Windows Update. A person can easily reverse it and it goes back to default. If you have any doubts try it in a VM. I have only used this method in a VM since I find the WU schedule settings to be good for the one computer I have that runs Pro and, as I have mentioned, my main computer runs LTSB which is set to Notify before download. All the windows updates have worked in the VMs for the past couple of months, so far no problem. Winaero has this on their site. I am not at home and the wifi is bad here so I can't give you a link. Winaero says you can disable reboot in Task Scheduler but it can come back, they went on to describe this method to permanently stop the reboot. I was only able to turn off reboot in Task Scheduler on two of my VMs, the third, permissions would not allow. Strange as all three VMs were from the same Pro iso. So far it doesn't seem to matter if you disable it in Task Scheduler as doing the rest of the procedure, as I posted, works well for me. There is no harm from this because everything reverts back when you remove the .bak extension and delete the folder named Reboot. I tried the same registry edit that I used on my LTSB version to make it 'Notify to download' but at first it didn't work on Pro, so I looked in the registry for the key to change the DWord but AU wasn't in registry. I did the reboot fix and the .reg file worked, so I looked in the registry and the AU section of Windows update was there now. It must be hidden and only appears after fixing the reboot. In the early versions of Win10 you could also do this with gpedit but no longer. As I mentioned, I did this sometime in June and have not seen any problems in any of the VMs I did. I tested a vm copy the other day to see what remained of tweaks after updating to v1803 and Windows Update still was set to Notify for download. If you find problems with this method I would be very interested. -- JT |
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On 8/26/2018 9:07 PM, Bob_S wrote:
"Justin Tyme" wrote in message ... This is mostly for the diehard Windows 7 fans who often mention auto reboots after running Windows Update as a huge problem with Windows 10. Those of you who use and trust the settings in Windows Update probably don't need this info. It is nice to have Windows ask you to download updates instead of updates happening automagically. Permanently stop WU Auto Restarts Copy paste in Run: C:\Windows\System32\Tasks\Microsoft\Windows\Update Orchestrator snipe.... That path not valid for Windows 7 Bob S Why is the system restarted after an update? Is there no reason at all? Letting update install without rebooting seems like a risky proposition. I'm assuming that, until you reboot, the file you're currently executing does NOT have the same contents as file that just got updated. Imagine the scenario where an update to a file assumes that it was previously updated and is currently executing. Sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. The only reason I can imagine where not rebooting is an advantage is if an update happens without your permission/consent, then reboots, destroying some important process that cannot be interrupted. Waiting until that process completes sounds prudent, but permanently preventing reboots seems unnecessarily risky. Prevent the update in the first place. |
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On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 11:30:46 -0700, mike wrote:
On 8/26/2018 9:07 PM, Bob_S wrote: "Justin Tyme" wrote in message ... This is mostly for the diehard Windows 7 fans who often mention auto reboots after running Windows Update as a huge problem with Windows 10. Those of you who use and trust the settings in Windows Update probably don't need this info. It is nice to have Windows ask you to download updates instead of updates happening automagically. Permanently stop WU Auto Restarts Copy paste in Run: C:\Windows\System32\Tasks\Microsoft\Windows\Update Orchestrator snipe.... That path not valid for Windows 7 Bob S Why is the system restarted after an update? Is there no reason at all? Letting update install without rebooting seems like a risky proposition. I'm assuming that, until you reboot, the file you're currently executing does NOT have the same contents as file that just got updated. Imagine the scenario where an update to a file assumes that it was previously updated and is currently executing. Sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. The only reason I can imagine where not rebooting is an advantage is if an update happens without your permission/consent, then reboots, destroying some important process that cannot be interrupted. Waiting until that process completes sounds prudent, but permanently preventing reboots seems unnecessarily risky. Prevent the update in the first place. I think you have the wrong idea. This is only intended to stop an automatic reboot after updating. One must click reboot for the updates to finish installing. This is the same as I had Windows 7 set up. Notify for download and manual reboot after installing updates. -- JT |
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On 8/27/2018 11:45 AM, Justin Tyme wrote:
On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 11:30:46 -0700, mike wrote: On 8/26/2018 9:07 PM, Bob_S wrote: "Justin Tyme" wrote in message ... This is mostly for the diehard Windows 7 fans who often mention auto reboots after running Windows Update as a huge problem with Windows 10. Those of you who use and trust the settings in Windows Update probably don't need this info. It is nice to have Windows ask you to download updates instead of updates happening automagically. Permanently stop WU Auto Restarts Copy paste in Run: C:\Windows\System32\Tasks\Microsoft\Windows\Update Orchestrator snipe.... That path not valid for Windows 7 Bob S Why is the system restarted after an update? Is there no reason at all? Letting update install without rebooting seems like a risky proposition. I'm assuming that, until you reboot, the file you're currently executing does NOT have the same contents as file that just got updated. Imagine the scenario where an update to a file assumes that it was previously updated and is currently executing. Sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. The only reason I can imagine where not rebooting is an advantage is if an update happens without your permission/consent, then reboots, destroying some important process that cannot be interrupted. Waiting until that process completes sounds prudent, but permanently preventing reboots seems unnecessarily risky. Prevent the update in the first place. I think you have the wrong idea. This is only intended to stop an automatic reboot after updating. One must click reboot for the updates to finish installing. This is the same as I had Windows 7 set up. Notify for download and manual reboot after installing updates. I'm certainly no expert, but... If you are in 'notify' mode, nothing should be downloaded until you request it. That's different from an automatic update that automatically installs expecting a reboot that you prevented. What happens when you fail to do the restart? There's a lot of stuff going on here. Getting into the middle of it and subverting the process sounds risky. I'd go back to the 'start' and delay the update in its entirety. An open forum like this gives the uninitiated the false security that an expert has it all figgered out and it's safe to do stuff they don't understand. Just because you successfully pulled the sound tube out of your TV doesn't mean that I can do the same with mine with the series filament string. ;-) |
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On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 11:59:19 -0700, mike wrote:
On 8/27/2018 11:45 AM, Justin Tyme wrote: On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 11:30:46 -0700, mike wrote: On 8/26/2018 9:07 PM, Bob_S wrote: "Justin Tyme" wrote in message ... This is mostly for the diehard Windows 7 fans who often mention auto reboots after running Windows Update as a huge problem with Windows 10. Those of you who use and trust the settings in Windows Update probably don't need this info. It is nice to have Windows ask you to download updates instead of updates happening automagically. Permanently stop WU Auto Restarts Copy paste in Run: C:\Windows\System32\Tasks\Microsoft\Windows\Update Orchestrator snipe.... That path not valid for Windows 7 Bob S Why is the system restarted after an update? Is there no reason at all? Letting update install without rebooting seems like a risky proposition. I'm assuming that, until you reboot, the file you're currently executing does NOT have the same contents as file that just got updated. Imagine the scenario where an update to a file assumes that it was previously updated and is currently executing. Sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. The only reason I can imagine where not rebooting is an advantage is if an update happens without your permission/consent, then reboots, destroying some important process that cannot be interrupted. Waiting until that process completes sounds prudent, but permanently preventing reboots seems unnecessarily risky. Prevent the update in the first place. I think you have the wrong idea. This is only intended to stop an automatic reboot after updating. One must click reboot for the updates to finish installing. This is the same as I had Windows 7 set up. Notify for download and manual reboot after installing updates. I'm certainly no expert, but... If you are in 'notify' mode, nothing should be downloaded until you request it. That's different from an automatic update that automatically installs expecting a reboot that you prevented. What happens when you fail to do the restart? There's a lot of stuff going on here. Getting into the middle of it and subverting the process sounds risky. I'd go back to the 'start' and delay the update in its entirety. An open forum like this gives the uninitiated the false security that an expert has it all figgered out and it's safe to do stuff they don't understand. LOL!! Bwahahaha! Winaero is the expert here not me. I got this from their site. I have yet to see Winaero have bad advice on their site. First, you should always try unknown stuff in a vm. Second, if you do try unknown things on your main computer then have a Macrium backup and you are safe. The unprepared do get burnt, though. I know what I am doing, my machine runs perfect, always has. I don't pretend to be any more of an expert than others on this site. I know my stuff just as others know their stuff here. Nobody is forcing anyone to do any of this. If you don't know what you are doing or can't fix what you broke then leave the computer stock. Always, always have a backup, I can not stress this enough! Again, I got this from Winaero, I think they understand even if you doubt me. Despite what you think, I do understand. You are the one having a problem understanding here. One more time: This does not in any way hamper the updates at all. The ONLY purpose here is to explain how to prevent an Auto Reboot from happening after the updates are completed. Reboots still happen, but YOU initiate them not Windows Update. Automatic rebooting is never a good thing. In Windows 7 you can set updates to Notify you before download, then you click update when you are notified that there are updates available to download. You then download the updates, when updates have finished you click reboot. Nothing I wrote is different than what happens with Windows 7. Windows 7 does not auto update and reboot if you set it to ask before downloading updates. So again, this is ONLY about preventing an _Automatic_ Reboot after windows updates. Having Windows 'Notify you to download' the updates is just an extra. This procedure is also easily reversible. I have said all I am going to say to you here, I have no time for squabbles. If you still do not understand then: Have a nice day! -- JT |
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