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Old August 1st 18, 02:50 AM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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MS has it wrong. I'll keep my pc and run Linux.

https://www.computerworld.com/article/3293429/microsoft-windows/with-daas-windows-coming-say-goodbye-to-your-pc-as-you-know-it.html
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Old August 1st 18, 03:14 AM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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"Anonymous" wrote

| MS has it wrong. I'll keep my pc and run Linux.
|
|
https://www.computerworld.com/article/3293429/microsoft-windows/with-daas-windows-coming-say-goodbye-to-your-pc-as-you-know-it.html
|

You should also read the article linked, from Mary Jo
Foley. She makes her living being a Microsoft cheerleader
and generally has her facts straight, albeit skewed to
make MS look good.

What she seems to be saying is that MS is heading
toward offering Windows as a rental for corporate
customers. For those people it already is a rental, to
some extent. The situation now is that they usually
rent yearly, by seat or by install. Microsoft forces
corporate customers into that bind by threatening
to pull swat-team-style audits otherwise. Then they
charge a fortune if they find any illegal copies. So it's
easier for companies to just let MS gouge them for
seat rentals.

The DaaS idea would have companies rent the whole
thing, monthly. Microsoft would be the IT dept. That
might be by force or it might be an option. That doesn't
seem to be clear.

That will probably be coming eventually to Win10
Pro and Home. Win10 is already halfway there. The main
difference is that people aren't actually paying rent.
But if MS doesn't make a lot of money from ads and
trinket apps they probably will charge rent. And by
then most people won't be able to say no.

Nevertheless, Computerworld, twisted the story
and made up a dramatic crisis out of thin air. The
author says straight out that MS are replacing Win10
with a rental you'll have no control over. There's no
basis at all for that statement that I can find.


  #3  
Old August 1st 18, 03:30 AM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Rene Lamontagne
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On 07/31/2018 9:14 PM, Mayayana wrote:
"Anonymous" wrote

| MS has it wrong. I'll keep my pc and run Linux.
|
|
https://www.computerworld.com/article/3293429/microsoft-windows/with-daas-windows-coming-say-goodbye-to-your-pc-as-you-know-it.html
|

You should also read the article linked, from Mary Jo
Foley. She makes her living being a Microsoft cheerleader
and generally has her facts straight, albeit skewed to
make MS look good.

What she seems to be saying is that MS is heading
toward offering Windows as a rental for corporate
customers. For those people it already is a rental, to
some extent. The situation now is that they usually
rent yearly, by seat or by install. Microsoft forces
corporate customers into that bind by threatening
to pull swat-team-style audits otherwise. Then they
charge a fortune if they find any illegal copies. So it's
easier for companies to just let MS gouge them for
seat rentals.

The DaaS idea would have companies rent the whole
thing, monthly. Microsoft would be the IT dept. That
might be by force or it might be an option. That doesn't
seem to be clear.

That will probably be coming eventually to Win10
Pro and Home. Win10 is already halfway there. The main
difference is that people aren't actually paying rent.
But if MS doesn't make a lot of money from ads and
trinket apps they probably will charge rent. And by
then most people won't be able to say no.

Nevertheless, Computerworld, twisted the story
and made up a dramatic crisis out of thin air. The
author says straight out that MS are replacing Win10
with a rental you'll have no control over. There's no
basis at all for that statement that I can find.



I'm not likely to jump off a bridge over that overblown article.

Rene

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Old August 1st 18, 03:56 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 07/31/2018 9:14 PM, Mayayana wrote:
"Anonymous" wrote

MS has it wrong. I'll keep my pc and run Linux.
https://www.computerworld.com/article/3293429/microsoft-windows/with-daas-windows-coming-say-goodbye-to-your-pc-as-you-know-it.html


Nevertheless, Computerworld, twisted the story
and made up a dramatic crisis out of thin air. The
author says straight out that MS are replacing Win10
with a rental you'll have no control over. There's no
basis at all for that statement that I can find.


I'm not likely to jump off a bridge over that overblown article.

Rene


Not after the recent changes to the org chart at Microsoft.

Windows is a lubricant for other parts of their business
plan. But a rental model (which was their initial business
plan for Windows 10) just isn't going to happen. Seven dollars
a month times zero consumers is zero.

Paul


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Old August 1st 18, 03:59 AM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server, alt.os.linux, comp.os.linux.misc,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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MS has it wrong. I'll keep my pc and run Linux.

https://www.computerworld.com/article/3293429/microsoft-windows/with-daas-windows-coming-say-goodbye-to-your-pc-as-you-know-it.html


Someone will put a running vmware version of W7 and W10 out and everyone can use it. MS has been spying on us with W10 and I don't think that many individual users are going to be willing to pay MS monthly to use their spyware. I think that DaaS Windows is going to be the end of MS for home users.

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Old August 1st 18, 04:54 AM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 7/31/2018 6:50 PM, Anonymous wrote:
MS has it wrong. I'll keep my pc and run Linux.

https://www.computerworld.com/article/3293429/microsoft-windows/with-daas-windows-coming-say-goodbye-to-your-pc-as-you-know-it.html

It's inevitable.
Won't be long before that power switch is replaced by a
credit card reader.

MS underestimated Android in the phone market.
They might fail again with the desktop.
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Old August 1st 18, 06:43 AM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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mike writes:

MS underestimated Android in the phone market.
They might fail again with the desktop.


Here's hoping (for Microsoft's demise). But I think it's more like a
paradigm shift happened. Absolutely nothing threatens Microsoft on the
PC desktop, it's just that people are moving away to Android and iOS and
making the PC desktop irrelevant. Much like the PC made mainframes
irrelevant. IBM is still pretty strong in mainframes but it's not much
of a market.
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Old August 1st 18, 07:11 AM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In article , Anssi Saari
wrote:


MS underestimated Android in the phone market.
They might fail again with the desktop.


Here's hoping (for Microsoft's demise). But I think it's more like a
paradigm shift happened. Absolutely nothing threatens Microsoft on the
PC desktop,


quite a bit does. chromebooks are very strong in education and web apps
(mainly google) are winning out over ms office.

it's just that people are moving away to Android and iOS and
making the PC desktop irrelevant. Much like the PC made mainframes
irrelevant. IBM is still pretty strong in mainframes but it's not much
of a market.


yep.
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Old August 1st 18, 08:04 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.privacy.anon-server,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc
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nospam wrote:
In article , Anssi Saari
wrote:


MS underestimated Android in the phone market.
They might fail again with the desktop.


Here's hoping (for Microsoft's demise). But I think it's more like a
paradigm shift happened. Absolutely nothing threatens Microsoft on the
PC desktop,


quite a bit does. chromebooks are very strong in education and web apps
(mainly google) are winning out over ms office.


Not in the UK. Schools and universities are wall to wall MS. Which is
particularly depressing given the lack of money in schools.

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Old August 1st 18, 10:28 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 07:04:51 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:

Schools and universities are wall to wall MS. Which is
particularly depressing given the lack of money in schools.


But a look round many student groups shows a preponderance of apple
laptops/tablets. Maybe it's the student discount that helps.
(strange cross posting groupmix adjusted)
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Old August 1st 18, 10:52 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 10:28:10 +0100, mechanic
wrote:

On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 07:04:51 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:

Schools and universities are wall to wall MS. Which is
particularly depressing given the lack of money in schools.


But a look round many student groups shows a preponderance of apple
laptops/tablets. Maybe it's the student discount that helps.
(strange cross posting groupmix adjusted)


Also Apple dominates TV shots. I can't remember ever seeing a PC on TV
running a MS system. Despite that I am running W7 and have not seen a
reason to update.

Steve

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Old August 1st 18, 11:02 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.privacy.anon-server,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc
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On 2018-08-01 09:04, Chris wrote:
nospam wrote:
In article , Anssi Saari
wrote:


MS underestimated Android in the phone market.
They might fail again with the desktop.

Here's hoping (for Microsoft's demise). But I think it's more like a
paradigm shift happened. Absolutely nothing threatens Microsoft on the
PC desktop,


quite a bit does. chromebooks are very strong in education and web apps
(mainly google) are winning out over ms office.


Not in the UK. Schools and universities are wall to wall MS. Which is
particularly depressing given the lack of money in schools.


I was in a classroom a few years back here (Spain), and the funny thing
was that the school officially embraced free software; yet the teachers
wrote their pieces on Word instead of LibreOffice, so the students did
the same (without licenses). Someone really using LO had a bit of a
problem because the formatting often is not accurately converted.

Most of the people I saw used Windows and Office without licenses, so MS
was getting nothing - except that the people got familiar with MS and
demand MS products later.

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Old August 1st 18, 11:11 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.privacy.anon-server,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc
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On 01/08/18 11:02, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 2018-08-01 09:04, Chris wrote:
nospam wrote:
In article , Anssi Saari
wrote:


MS underestimated Android in the phone market.
They might fail again with the desktop.

Here's hoping (for Microsoft's demise). But I think it's more like a
paradigm shift happened. Absolutely nothing threatens Microsoft on the
PC desktop,

quite a bit does. chromebooks are very strong in education and web apps
(mainly google) are winning out over ms office.


Not in the UK. Schools and universities are wall to wall MS. Which is
particularly depressing given the lack of money in schools.


I was in a classroom a few years back here (Spain), and the funny thing
was that the school officially embraced free software; yet the teachers
wrote their pieces on Word instead of LibreOffice, so the students did
the same (without licenses). Someone really using LO had a bit of a
problem because the formatting often is not accurately converted.


I have found thats generally NOT an issue if the same fonts are installed


Most of the people I saw used Windows and Office without licenses, so MS
was getting nothing - except that the people got familiar with MS and
demand MS products later.


Mmm.

But companies are just rubbish really. I mean would you believe a
company that prints from WORD onto letterhead PAPER, scans the result
and emails it as a PDF?


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look exactly the same afterwards."

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  #14  
Old August 1st 18, 12:51 PM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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"Rene Lamontagne" wrote

| Nevertheless, Computerworld, twisted the story
| and made up a dramatic crisis out of thin air. The
| author says straight out that MS are replacing Win10
| with a rental you'll have no control over. There's no
| basis at all for that statement that I can find.
|
| I'm not likely to jump off a bridge over that overblown article.
|

Just as well. Your Surface as a Service probably
isn't water-resistant.


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Old August 1st 18, 01:29 PM posted to alt.privacy.anon-server,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 01/08/18 12:51, Mayayana wrote:
"Rene Lamontagne" wrote

| Nevertheless, Computerworld, twisted the story
| and made up a dramatic crisis out of thin air. The
| author says straight out that MS are replacing Win10
| with a rental you'll have no control over. There's no
| basis at all for that statement that I can find.
|
| I'm not likely to jump off a bridge over that overblown article.
|

Just as well. Your Surface as a Service probably
isn't water-resistant.


Seriously though, isn't notebook as a service what a chromebook is? Or
smartphone as a service, android?

Indeed Liux itself is desktop as a service, except its free...It's all
about where the line is drawn between stuff that is upgraded centrally
and installed on your computer or upgraded cenrally and NOT permanently
stored on your computer, and if you actually care.



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battle dance and dream of glory … The good of dead warriors, Mother, is
that they are dead.
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