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Old August 26th 18, 10:38 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Justin Tyme[_2_]
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Default Permanently stop WU Auto Restarts

This is mostly for the diehard Windows 7 fans who often mention auto
reboots after running Windows Update as a huge problem with Windows
10. Those of you who use and trust the settings in Windows Update
probably don't need this info. It is nice to have Windows ask you to
download updates instead of updates happening automagically.


Permanently stop WU Auto Restarts

Copy paste in Run:

C:\Windows\System32\Tasks\Microsoft\Windows\Update Orchestrator

This will take you to a folder with a few files inside. Rename the
file called Reboot to Reboot.bak
Note: You may have to take ownership of the file to do this.

Next make a new folder where the Reboot.bak file resides. Name this
folder Reboot. Close everything and the computer is now set to 'never'
reboot automatically after Windows Updates. Reverse this and the
computer goes back to stock auto reboots after updates.

Scheduled reboots will not work either. You have to click Reboot
manually or the computer will 'never' reboot.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Change Windows Update to ASK you to download and install updates:

No more automagic updates without you knowing. This doesn't work in
Win 10 Home, only Win 10 Pro and above benefit from this setting.

Do the Reboot steps first or the .reg file won't work.

Copy/Paste the following text into notepad and save it as - Notify for
download.reg, then double click the .reg file to merge it into the
registry.

______

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Win dows\WindowsUpdate\AU]
"AUOptions"=dword:00000002
_____


This .reg file changes the keys' DWord value to 2. This is the value
that forces Windows 10 to ASK you to download the updates. This
feature was available in the earliest versions of Win 10 but soon
disappeared as Microsofts choice was to hide this registry key. The
key only becomes visible and usable AFTER you fix the auto reboot. If
you have not done the reboot fix the key doesn't show up in the
registry and the .reg file does not work.

The above changes the Windows Update message to:

"We'll ask you to download updates, except when updates are required
to keep Windows running smoothly. In that case we will automatically
download updates"

After you apply the .reg file you have to click 'Check for Updates'
for the above message to appear.
--
JT
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  #2  
Old August 27th 18, 05:07 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Bob_S[_3_]
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Default Permanently stop WU Auto Restarts

"Justin Tyme" wrote in message
...

This is mostly for the diehard Windows 7 fans who often mention auto
reboots after running Windows Update as a huge problem with Windows
10. Those of you who use and trust the settings in Windows Update
probably don't need this info. It is nice to have Windows ask you to
download updates instead of updates happening automagically.


Permanently stop WU Auto Restarts

Copy paste in Run:

C:\Windows\System32\Tasks\Microsoft\Windows\Update Orchestrator

snipe....

That path not valid for Windows 7

Bob S

  #3  
Old August 27th 18, 06:04 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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Default Permanently stop WU Auto Restarts

Bob_S wrote:
"Justin Tyme" wrote in message
...

This is mostly for the diehard Windows 7 fans who often mention auto
reboots after running Windows Update as a huge problem with Windows
10. Those of you who use and trust the settings in Windows Update
probably don't need this info. It is nice to have Windows ask you to
download updates instead of updates happening automagically.


Permanently stop WU Auto Restarts

Copy paste in Run:

C:\Windows\System32\Tasks\Microsoft\Windows\Update Orchestrator

snipe....

That path not valid for Windows 7

Bob S


UpdateOrchestrator only exists on Windows 10.

Why would you care about it on Windows 7 ?
It's not part of how Windows Update works there.

Windows 7 has the 0..4 setting that actually
works to give the user control over updates.

UpdateOrchestrator, as the name implies, is an Enterprise
scheme for beating employees into compliance. If you
disable Windows Update (or try), there are task scheduler
entries owned by UpdateOrchestrator, which are there
to defeat your attempts. A guess would be, it's also
placed on regular user desktop systems for "test"
purposes. Microsoft uses the desktop fleet, to ensure
a higher quality on the Enterprise releases later.

So if you want to play Whack-A-Mole with Windows Update
in Windows 10, you have to defeat two things. Defeat
Windows Update itself. But also defeat UpdateOrchestrator
plus the garbage stuffed into Task Scheduler. It's a kind
of belt-and-suspenders thing from Microsoft (pretty close
to a tag-team malware design).

Paul
  #4  
Old August 27th 18, 06:48 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Justin Tyme[_2_]
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Default Permanently stop WU Auto Restarts

On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 01:04:06 -0400, Paul
wrote:

Bob_S wrote:
"Justin Tyme" wrote in message
...

This is mostly for the diehard Windows 7 fans who often mention auto
reboots after running Windows Update as a huge problem with Windows
10. Those of you who use and trust the settings in Windows Update
probably don't need this info. It is nice to have Windows ask you to
download updates instead of updates happening automagically.


Permanently stop WU Auto Restarts

Copy paste in Run:

C:\Windows\System32\Tasks\Microsoft\Windows\Update Orchestrator

snipe....

That path not valid for Windows 7

Bob S


UpdateOrchestrator only exists on Windows 10.

Why would you care about it on Windows 7 ?
It's not part of how Windows Update works there.

Windows 7 has the 0..4 setting that actually
works to give the user control over updates.

UpdateOrchestrator, as the name implies, is an Enterprise
scheme for beating employees into compliance. If you
disable Windows Update (or try), there are task scheduler
entries owned by UpdateOrchestrator, which are there
to defeat your attempts. A guess would be, it's also
placed on regular user desktop systems for "test"
purposes. Microsoft uses the desktop fleet, to ensure
a higher quality on the Enterprise releases later.

So if you want to play Whack-A-Mole with Windows Update
in Windows 10, you have to defeat two things. Defeat
Windows Update itself. But also defeat UpdateOrchestrator
plus the garbage stuffed into Task Scheduler. It's a kind
of belt-and-suspenders thing from Microsoft (pretty close
to a tag-team malware design).

Paul


This only stops auto reboot, it doesn't interfere with Windows update,
it just won't reboot on it's own. You have to click reboot but other
than that everything works normally in Windows Update. A person can
easily reverse it and it goes back to default. If you have any doubts
try it in a VM.
--
JT
  #5  
Old August 27th 18, 08:31 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Justin Tyme[_2_]
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Default Permanently stop WU Auto Restarts

On Sun, 26 Aug 2018 22:48:13 -0700, Justin Tyme
wrote:

On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 01:04:06 -0400, Paul
wrote:

Bob_S wrote:
"Justin Tyme" wrote in message
...

This is mostly for the diehard Windows 7 fans who often mention auto
reboots after running Windows Update as a huge problem with Windows
10. Those of you who use and trust the settings in Windows Update
probably don't need this info. It is nice to have Windows ask you to
download updates instead of updates happening automagically.


Permanently stop WU Auto Restarts

Copy paste in Run:

C:\Windows\System32\Tasks\Microsoft\Windows\Update Orchestrator

snipe....

That path not valid for Windows 7

Bob S


UpdateOrchestrator only exists on Windows 10.

Why would you care about it on Windows 7 ?
It's not part of how Windows Update works there.

Windows 7 has the 0..4 setting that actually
works to give the user control over updates.

UpdateOrchestrator, as the name implies, is an Enterprise
scheme for beating employees into compliance. If you
disable Windows Update (or try), there are task scheduler
entries owned by UpdateOrchestrator, which are there
to defeat your attempts. A guess would be, it's also
placed on regular user desktop systems for "test"
purposes. Microsoft uses the desktop fleet, to ensure
a higher quality on the Enterprise releases later.

So if you want to play Whack-A-Mole with Windows Update
in Windows 10, you have to defeat two things. Defeat
Windows Update itself. But also defeat UpdateOrchestrator
plus the garbage stuffed into Task Scheduler. It's a kind
of belt-and-suspenders thing from Microsoft (pretty close
to a tag-team malware design).

Paul


This only stops auto reboot, it doesn't interfere with Windows update,
it just won't reboot on it's own. You have to click reboot but other
than that everything works normally in Windows Update. A person can
easily reverse it and it goes back to default. If you have any doubts
try it in a VM.


I have only used this method in a VM since I find the WU schedule
settings to be good for the one computer I have that runs Pro and, as
I have mentioned, my main computer runs LTSB which is set to Notify
before download. All the windows updates have worked in the VMs for
the past couple of months, so far no problem.

Winaero has this on their site. I am not at home and the wifi is bad
here so I can't give you a link. Winaero says you can disable reboot
in Task Scheduler but it can come back, they went on to describe this
method to permanently stop the reboot. I was only able to turn off
reboot in Task Scheduler on two of my VMs, the third, permissions
would not allow. Strange as all three VMs were from the same Pro iso.
So far it doesn't seem to matter if you disable it in Task Scheduler
as doing the rest of the procedure, as I posted, works well for me.
There is no harm from this because everything reverts back when you
remove the .bak extension and delete the folder named Reboot.

I tried the same registry edit that I used on my LTSB version to make
it 'Notify to download' but at first it didn't work on Pro, so I
looked in the registry for the key to change the DWord but AU wasn't
in registry. I did the reboot fix and the .reg file worked, so I
looked in the registry and the AU section of Windows update was there
now. It must be hidden and only appears after fixing the reboot. In
the early versions of Win10 you could also do this with gpedit but no
longer.

As I mentioned, I did this sometime in June and have not seen any
problems in any of the VMs I did. I tested a vm copy the other day to
see what remained of tweaks after updating to v1803 and Windows Update
still was set to Notify for download. If you find problems with this
method I would be very interested.
--
JT
  #6  
Old August 27th 18, 07:30 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
mike[_10_]
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Default Permanently stop WU Auto Restarts

On 8/26/2018 9:07 PM, Bob_S wrote:
"Justin Tyme" wrote in message
...

This is mostly for the diehard Windows 7 fans who often mention auto
reboots after running Windows Update as a huge problem with Windows
10. Those of you who use and trust the settings in Windows Update
probably don't need this info. It is nice to have Windows ask you to
download updates instead of updates happening automagically.


Permanently stop WU Auto Restarts

Copy paste in Run:

C:\Windows\System32\Tasks\Microsoft\Windows\Update Orchestrator

snipe....

That path not valid for Windows 7

Bob S


Why is the system restarted after an update?
Is there no reason at all?
Letting update install without rebooting seems like a risky
proposition.
I'm assuming that, until you reboot, the file you're currently executing
does NOT have the same contents as file that just got updated.
Imagine the scenario where an update to a file assumes that
it was previously updated and is currently executing.
Sounds like a disaster waiting to happen.

The only reason I can imagine where not rebooting is an advantage
is if an update happens without your permission/consent, then reboots,
destroying some important process that cannot be interrupted.
Waiting until that process completes sounds prudent, but permanently
preventing reboots seems unnecessarily risky.

Prevent the update in the first place.
  #7  
Old August 27th 18, 07:45 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Justin Tyme[_2_]
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Default Permanently stop WU Auto Restarts

On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 11:30:46 -0700, mike wrote:

On 8/26/2018 9:07 PM, Bob_S wrote:
"Justin Tyme" wrote in message
...

This is mostly for the diehard Windows 7 fans who often mention auto
reboots after running Windows Update as a huge problem with Windows
10. Those of you who use and trust the settings in Windows Update
probably don't need this info. It is nice to have Windows ask you to
download updates instead of updates happening automagically.


Permanently stop WU Auto Restarts

Copy paste in Run:

C:\Windows\System32\Tasks\Microsoft\Windows\Update Orchestrator

snipe....

That path not valid for Windows 7

Bob S


Why is the system restarted after an update?
Is there no reason at all?
Letting update install without rebooting seems like a risky
proposition.
I'm assuming that, until you reboot, the file you're currently executing
does NOT have the same contents as file that just got updated.
Imagine the scenario where an update to a file assumes that
it was previously updated and is currently executing.
Sounds like a disaster waiting to happen.

The only reason I can imagine where not rebooting is an advantage
is if an update happens without your permission/consent, then reboots,
destroying some important process that cannot be interrupted.
Waiting until that process completes sounds prudent, but permanently
preventing reboots seems unnecessarily risky.

Prevent the update in the first place.


I think you have the wrong idea. This is only intended to stop an
automatic reboot after updating. One must click reboot for the updates
to finish installing. This is the same as I had Windows 7 set up.
Notify for download and manual reboot after installing updates.
--
JT
  #8  
Old August 27th 18, 07:59 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
mike[_10_]
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Default Permanently stop WU Auto Restarts

On 8/27/2018 11:45 AM, Justin Tyme wrote:
On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 11:30:46 -0700, mike wrote:

On 8/26/2018 9:07 PM, Bob_S wrote:
"Justin Tyme" wrote in message
...

This is mostly for the diehard Windows 7 fans who often mention auto
reboots after running Windows Update as a huge problem with Windows
10. Those of you who use and trust the settings in Windows Update
probably don't need this info. It is nice to have Windows ask you to
download updates instead of updates happening automagically.


Permanently stop WU Auto Restarts

Copy paste in Run:

C:\Windows\System32\Tasks\Microsoft\Windows\Update Orchestrator

snipe....

That path not valid for Windows 7

Bob S


Why is the system restarted after an update?
Is there no reason at all?
Letting update install without rebooting seems like a risky
proposition.
I'm assuming that, until you reboot, the file you're currently executing
does NOT have the same contents as file that just got updated.
Imagine the scenario where an update to a file assumes that
it was previously updated and is currently executing.
Sounds like a disaster waiting to happen.

The only reason I can imagine where not rebooting is an advantage
is if an update happens without your permission/consent, then reboots,
destroying some important process that cannot be interrupted.
Waiting until that process completes sounds prudent, but permanently
preventing reboots seems unnecessarily risky.

Prevent the update in the first place.


I think you have the wrong idea. This is only intended to stop an
automatic reboot after updating. One must click reboot for the updates
to finish installing. This is the same as I had Windows 7 set up.
Notify for download and manual reboot after installing updates.

I'm certainly no expert, but...
If you are in 'notify' mode, nothing should be downloaded until you
request it.
That's different from an automatic update that automatically installs
expecting a reboot that you prevented.
What happens when you fail to do the restart?

There's a lot of stuff going on here. Getting into the middle of it
and subverting the process sounds risky. I'd go back to the 'start'
and delay the update in its entirety.

An open forum like this gives the uninitiated the false security
that an expert has it all figgered out and it's safe to do stuff
they don't understand.

Just because you successfully pulled the sound tube out of your TV
doesn't mean that I can do the same with mine with the series
filament string. ;-)
  #9  
Old August 27th 18, 10:25 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Justin Tyme[_2_]
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Default Permanently stop WU Auto Restarts

On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 11:59:19 -0700, mike wrote:

On 8/27/2018 11:45 AM, Justin Tyme wrote:
On Mon, 27 Aug 2018 11:30:46 -0700, mike wrote:

On 8/26/2018 9:07 PM, Bob_S wrote:
"Justin Tyme" wrote in message
...

This is mostly for the diehard Windows 7 fans who often mention auto
reboots after running Windows Update as a huge problem with Windows
10. Those of you who use and trust the settings in Windows Update
probably don't need this info. It is nice to have Windows ask you to
download updates instead of updates happening automagically.


Permanently stop WU Auto Restarts

Copy paste in Run:

C:\Windows\System32\Tasks\Microsoft\Windows\Update Orchestrator

snipe....

That path not valid for Windows 7

Bob S

Why is the system restarted after an update?
Is there no reason at all?
Letting update install without rebooting seems like a risky
proposition.
I'm assuming that, until you reboot, the file you're currently executing
does NOT have the same contents as file that just got updated.
Imagine the scenario where an update to a file assumes that
it was previously updated and is currently executing.
Sounds like a disaster waiting to happen.

The only reason I can imagine where not rebooting is an advantage
is if an update happens without your permission/consent, then reboots,
destroying some important process that cannot be interrupted.
Waiting until that process completes sounds prudent, but permanently
preventing reboots seems unnecessarily risky.

Prevent the update in the first place.


I think you have the wrong idea. This is only intended to stop an
automatic reboot after updating. One must click reboot for the updates
to finish installing. This is the same as I had Windows 7 set up.
Notify for download and manual reboot after installing updates.

I'm certainly no expert, but...
If you are in 'notify' mode, nothing should be downloaded until you
request it.
That's different from an automatic update that automatically installs
expecting a reboot that you prevented.
What happens when you fail to do the restart?

There's a lot of stuff going on here. Getting into the middle of it
and subverting the process sounds risky. I'd go back to the 'start'
and delay the update in its entirety.



An open forum like this gives the uninitiated the false security
that an expert has it all figgered out and it's safe to do stuff
they don't understand.


LOL!! Bwahahaha!

Winaero is the expert here not me. I got this from their site. I have
yet to see Winaero have bad advice on their site.

First, you should always try unknown stuff in a vm. Second, if you do
try unknown things on your main computer then have a Macrium backup
and you are safe. The unprepared do get burnt, though. I know what I
am doing, my machine runs perfect, always has. I don't pretend to be
any more of an expert than others on this site. I know my stuff just
as others know their stuff here.

Nobody is forcing anyone to do any of this. If you don't know what you
are doing or can't fix what you broke then leave the computer stock.
Always, always have a backup, I can not stress this enough!

Again, I got this from Winaero, I think they understand even if you
doubt me. Despite what you think, I do understand. You are the one
having a problem understanding here.

One more time:

This does not in any way hamper the updates at all. The ONLY purpose
here is to explain how to prevent an Auto Reboot from happening after
the updates are completed. Reboots still happen, but YOU initiate them
not Windows Update. Automatic rebooting is never a good thing.

In Windows 7 you can set updates to Notify you before download, then
you click update when you are notified that there are updates
available to download. You then download the updates, when updates
have finished you click reboot. Nothing I wrote is different than what
happens with Windows 7. Windows 7 does not auto update and reboot if
you set it to ask before downloading updates.

So again, this is ONLY about preventing an _Automatic_ Reboot after
windows updates. Having Windows 'Notify you to download' the updates
is just an extra. This procedure is also easily reversible. I have
said all I am going to say to you here, I have no time for squabbles.

If you still do not understand then: Have a nice day!
--
JT
 




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