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Old October 11th 19, 04:23 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_7_]
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Default order in left-hand (tree) pane?

In message , Char Jackson
writes:
On Thu, 10 Oct 2019 23:27:12 -0400, GS wrote:

On Thu, 10 Oct 2019 18:52:47 -0400, GS wrote:

[]
I just drag-n-drop to arrange things how I want them ordered; - seems that
WE remembers the positions because any time I reopen it the positions
persist as I ordered them. IOW, the tree is CUSTOM ORDERED instead of
sorted by any default means (NOTE: the default sort persists within the
custom ordering of the tree nodes).

I just checked Windows Explorer in 10, 8.1, 7, and XP. None of them allowed
me to drag any of the entries in the left pane. Do you have any custom
software installed, or anything you might have done to enable dragging in
the left pane of WE? I must be missing something obvious, which wouldn't be
the first time.


Ok, I just verified that my experience has been with (and only applies
to) the
Child nodes under the *Favorites* node. Anywhere else I want nodes to
appear at
the topmost position under a parent node I use the underscore
character which,
by default, also follows normal sort order according to the 1st
character after
the underscore.

I apologize for causing any misleads!


No problem.

Thanks for clarifying! I've never found a use for the Favorites feature so
mine is empty. Thus, no dragging for me in there. I'm probably the only one
who was a bit confused.

You weren't the only one! I (OP) was confused too; any attempt I made to
drag things in the left pane just looked as if they were going to cause
the dragged folder to become a subfolder of one of the others (not
helped by the "helpful" tendency of Explorer [and other things] to
expand things, after a few seconds [usually just at the moment when I
drop what I'm dragging, so I have no idea where it dropped]. I've asked
before if anyone knows how to STOP it doing that, with no result). I
didn't say anything as I have Classic Shell, and wasn't sure if that was
influencing things; glad to hear it wasn't.

"Favorites" I've always assumed was just Internet-Explorer-speak for
bookmarks, as it once indeed was (and may still be); as such, I hadn't
even looked at it for ages (possibly years). To my surprise I don't
actually _have_ such a folder under C:\ or C:\Windows; I had one under
C:\ProgramData, but system told me I couldn't get at that. Ah, I must
have moved it at some time - I have it under D:\ (that's the one with
the star icon I was expecting); that does indeed seem to still be IE's
bookmarks (I'm on W7HP32). And I can't change the order of folders in
the left pane for that, either. [As I said, not that I want to; I just
wondered if one could.]
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  #17  
Old October 11th 19, 04:45 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Frank Slootweg
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Default order in left-hand (tree) pane?

"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote:
[...]

"Favorites" I've always assumed was just Internet-Explorer-speak for
bookmarks, as it once indeed was (and may still be); as such, I hadn't
even looked at it for ages (possibly years). To my surprise I don't
actually _have_ such a folder under C:\ or C:\Windows; I had one under
C:\ProgramData, but system told me I couldn't get at that. Ah, I must
have moved it at some time - I have it under D:\ (that's the one with
the star icon I was expecting); that does indeed seem to still be IE's
bookmarks (I'm on W7HP32).


If your D:\ is also known as \Users\you or/and just you, then
"Favorites" is in the right location, because it's user-specific, not
system-wide.

And BTW, it's of course "Favourites"! Don't you know your own
language!? :-)
  #18  
Old October 11th 19, 04:49 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default order in left-hand (tree) pane?

In message , Mayayana
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"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote

| However, the sorting in the _left_ pane, where the tree structure is
| shown, seems to be (increasing) name order only.
|
| Anyone know if it can be changed?
|

Isn't that what desktops and shortcuts are for?


I said, in the bit that you've snipped, that I neither needed nor wanted
to change the order in the left pane; I just wondered if you _could_. It
was just an idle wonder.

I've
never used the Folders Explorer Bar. I find it too tedious to
deal with all those tiny nodes. On XP and Win7-32 I have
a custom Explorer Bar with links to folders within folder
windows. On my desktop I have shortcuts to all drives
and several commonly used folders.


I think we may also be talking about different things; I was talking
about the left pane in a normal Explorer window. I'm not sure what the
"Folders Explorer _Bar_" is, but I don't think it's what I was talking
about.

I also have whatever I'm currently working on spread out
on the desktop. I use it just like a solid desktop, taking out
the various "papers" I need for a project and then putting
them away when I'm done. So it's rare that I need more
than 2-3 clicks to get to where I want to be. Best of all,
it's intuitive, custom design. The places I go most are the


Each to his own; I rarely use the desktop at all to store files (partly
I've seen too many people, when I was at work, who _left_ files all over
their desktop [I know that's not what you're doing - you said you "put
them away" when you're done], and partly because I know it's really a
folder on C:, which I try not to keep _my_ files on).

easiest to get to. The Folders Explorer Bar is just a generic
list of everything.

(See above re "Bar".)


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  #19  
Old October 11th 19, 04:54 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_7_]
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Default order in left-hand (tree) pane?

In message , Frank Slootweg
writes:
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote:
[...]

"Favorites" I've always assumed was just Internet-Explorer-speak for
bookmarks, as it once indeed was (and may still be); as such, I hadn't
even looked at it for ages (possibly years). To my surprise I don't
actually _have_ such a folder under C:\ or C:\Windows; I had one under
C:\ProgramData, but system told me I couldn't get at that. Ah, I must
have moved it at some time - I have it under D:\ (that's the one with
the star icon I was expecting); that does indeed seem to still be IE's
bookmarks (I'm on W7HP32).


If your D:\ is also known as \Users\you or/and just you, then
"Favorites" is in the right location, because it's user-specific, not
system-wide.


As I said, I'd probably moved it (I think the default is C:\Users\me).
But long enough ago that I'd forgotten I'd done so.

And BTW, it's of course "Favourites"! Don't you know your own
language!? :-)


I do indeed! Microsoft don't, though. (Even though I have UK set in
various places.)
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  #20  
Old October 11th 19, 06:30 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Frank Slootweg
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Default order in left-hand (tree) pane?

J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote:
In message , Frank Slootweg
writes:
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote:
[...]

"Favorites" I've always assumed was just Internet-Explorer-speak for
bookmarks, as it once indeed was (and may still be); as such, I hadn't
even looked at it for ages (possibly years). To my surprise I don't
actually _have_ such a folder under C:\ or C:\Windows; I had one under
C:\ProgramData, but system told me I couldn't get at that. Ah, I must
have moved it at some time - I have it under D:\ (that's the one with
the star icon I was expecting); that does indeed seem to still be IE's
bookmarks (I'm on W7HP32).


If your D:\ is also known as \Users\you or/and just you, then
"Favorites" is in the right location, because it's user-specific, not
system-wide.


As I said, I'd probably moved it (I think the default is C:\Users\me).
But long enough ago that I'd forgotten I'd done so.


The default is \Users\me, which nearly always is on C:, but can be
changed/moved to another drive, so that's why I asked.

And BTW, it's of course "Favourites"! Don't you know your own
language!? :-)


I do indeed! Microsoft don't, though. (Even though I have UK set in
various places.)


Well, my Windows version is UK English and does say 'Favourites'.

BTW, the relevant setting is the 'Windows display language' [1]. The
'Keyboard layout' is irrelevant (for this issue) and can be different
(mine is/are 'US' and 'United States-International'). 'Date and time
formats' and 'Location' are yet other irrelevant settings.

[1] (On Windows 8.1) Control Panel - Clock, Language and Region -
Language - Advanced settings - Override for Windows display language
.... - selection box.
My selection box has 'Use language list (recommended)' (which is the
current setting) and 'English (United Kingdom)'). So my 'Windows display
language' is 'English (United Kingdom)', which was probably the only
English language pack included in the Windows software which came with
my laptop.
Note that you can *add* [2] (Windows display language) language packs,
but there is a default one set at installation time.

[2] (On Windows 8.1) Control Panel - Clock, Language and Region -
Language - Add a language. And then later - 'Windows display language:
Available for download' - Options - 'A language pack for ... is
available for download' - 'Download and install language pack'.
  #21  
Old October 11th 19, 07:48 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_7_]
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Default order in left-hand (tree) pane?

In message , Frank Slootweg
writes:
J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote:
In message , Frank Slootweg
writes:

[]
And BTW, it's of course "Favourites"! Don't you know your own
language!? :-)


I do indeed! Microsoft don't, though. (Even though I have UK set in
various places.)


Well, my Windows version is UK English and does say 'Favourites'.


Interesting!

BTW, the relevant setting is the 'Windows display language' [1]. The
'Keyboard layout' is irrelevant (for this issue) and can be different
(mine is/are 'US' and 'United States-International'). 'Date and time
formats' and 'Location' are yet other irrelevant settings.


I know keyboard layout, clock, and display language are three different
things. (My clock etc. are custom, as I use ISO, or a variation
thereof.) I have UK keyboard.

[1] (On Windows 8.1) Control Panel - Clock, Language and Region -
Language - Advanced settings - Override for Windows display language
... - selection box.


On 7, it's apparently Control Panel - Region and Language - Keyboards
and Languages - Display Language. However, on my system, Keyboards and
Languages only has a section near the top Keyboards and other input
languages; there's a big empty space below that. Apparently, Display
Language will appear there if I have more than one LIP installed;
presumably I don't. (It was bought, ready installed, from a UK
refurbisher.) This late in the day, I suspect I'm not going to go
hunting other LIPs. FWIW, my Office 2003 says "English (U.K.)", which I
assume it picked up from system when I installed it.

My selection box has 'Use language list (recommended)' (which is the
current setting) and 'English (United Kingdom)'). So my 'Windows display
language' is 'English (United Kingdom)', which was probably the only
English language pack included in the Windows software which came with
my laptop.
Note that you can *add* [2] (Windows display language) language packs,
but there is a default one set at installation time.

[2] (On Windows 8.1) Control Panel - Clock, Language and Region -
Language - Add a language. And then later - 'Windows display language:
Available for download' - Options - 'A language pack for ... is
available for download' - 'Download and install language pack'.

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  #22  
Old October 11th 19, 07:52 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Frank Slootweg
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Default order in left-hand (tree) pane?

Earlier, I wrote:
J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote:
In message , Frank Slootweg
writes:
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote:
[...]

"Favorites" I've always assumed was just Internet-Explorer-speak for
bookmarks, as it once indeed was (and may still be); as such, I hadn't
even looked at it for ages (possibly years). To my surprise I don't
actually _have_ such a folder under C:\ or C:\Windows; I had one under
C:\ProgramData, but system told me I couldn't get at that. Ah, I must
have moved it at some time - I have it under D:\ (that's the one with
the star icon I was expecting); that does indeed seem to still be IE's
bookmarks (I'm on W7HP32).

If your D:\ is also known as \Users\you or/and just you, then
"Favorites" is in the right location, because it's user-specific, not
system-wide.


As I said, I'd probably moved it (I think the default is C:\Users\me).
But long enough ago that I'd forgotten I'd done so.


The default is \Users\me, which nearly always is on C:, but can be
changed/moved to another drive, so that's why I asked.

And BTW, it's of course "Favourites"! Don't you know your own
language!? :-)


I do indeed! Microsoft don't, though. (Even though I have UK set in
various places.)


Well, my Windows version is UK English and does say 'Favourites'.


Additional note: It's "Favourites" in File Explorer, but "Favorites"
in a Command Prompt window. IIRC, this 'magic' is done by the Windows
equivalent of a (Unix) 'symbolic link' or some such trick, but I don't
remember the details, nor a way to show the mapping.

N.B. If you're in File Explorer, navigate to "Favourites" and then
click in the 'path' box , it will display something like
'C:\Users\Frank\Favorites', i.e. the 'real' name.

BTW, the relevant setting is the 'Windows display language' [1]. The
'Keyboard layout' is irrelevant (for this issue) and can be different
(mine is/are 'US' and 'United States-International'). 'Date and time
formats' and 'Location' are yet other irrelevant settings.

[1] (On Windows 8.1) Control Panel - Clock, Language and Region -
Language - Advanced settings - Override for Windows display language
... - selection box.
My selection box has 'Use language list (recommended)' (which is the
current setting) and 'English (United Kingdom)'). So my 'Windows display
language' is 'English (United Kingdom)', which was probably the only
English language pack included in the Windows software which came with
my laptop.
Note that you can *add* [2] (Windows display language) language packs,
but there is a default one set at installation time.

[2] (On Windows 8.1) Control Panel - Clock, Language and Region -
Language - Add a language. And then later - 'Windows display language:
Available for download' - Options - 'A language pack for ... is
available for download' - 'Download and install language pack'.

  #23  
Old October 11th 19, 08:25 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
GS
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Default order in left-hand (tree) pane?

In message , Char Jackson
writes:
On Thu, 10 Oct 2019 23:27:12 -0400, GS wrote:

On Thu, 10 Oct 2019 18:52:47 -0400, GS wrote:

[]
I just drag-n-drop to arrange things how I want them ordered; - seems
that
WE remembers the positions because any time I reopen it the positions
persist as I ordered them. IOW, the tree is CUSTOM ORDERED instead of
sorted by any default means (NOTE: the default sort persists within the
custom ordering of the tree nodes).

I just checked Windows Explorer in 10, 8.1, 7, and XP. None of them
allowed
me to drag any of the entries in the left pane. Do you have any custom
software installed, or anything you might have done to enable dragging in
the left pane of WE? I must be missing something obvious, which wouldn't
be
the first time.

Ok, I just verified that my experience has been with (and only applies to)
the
Child nodes under the *Favorites* node. Anywhere else I want nodes to
appear at
the topmost position under a parent node I use the underscore character
which,
by default, also follows normal sort order according to the 1st character
after
the underscore.

I apologize for causing any misleads!


No problem.

Thanks for clarifying! I've never found a use for the Favorites feature so
mine is empty. Thus, no dragging for me in there. I'm probably the only one
who was a bit confused.

You weren't the only one! I (OP) was confused too; any attempt I made to drag
things in the left pane just looked as if they were going to cause the
dragged folder to become a subfolder of one of the others (not helped by the
"helpful" tendency of Explorer [and other things] to expand things, after a
few seconds [usually just at the moment when I drop what I'm dragging, so I
have no idea where it dropped]. I've asked before if anyone knows how to STOP
it doing that, with no result). I didn't say anything as I have Classic
Shell, and wasn't sure if that was influencing things; glad to hear it
wasn't.

"Favorites" I've always assumed was just Internet-Explorer-speak for
bookmarks, as it once indeed was (and may still be); as such, I hadn't even
looked at it for ages (possibly years). To my surprise I don't actually
_have_ such a folder under C:\ or C:\Windows; I had one under C:\ProgramData,
but system told me I couldn't get at that. Ah, I must have moved it at some
time - I have it under D:\ (that's the one with the star icon I was
expecting); that does indeed seem to still be IE's bookmarks (I'm on W7HP32).
And I can't change the order of folders in the left pane for that, either.
[As I said, not that I want to; I just wondered if one could.]


Yeah, WE's behavior has always been a stickler with me so I made my own file
explorer back when I needed my CNC file management app to use its own built-in
explorer. Otherwise, I use PowerDesk Pro for everything else files/folders
related (as well as its other features)!

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Old October 11th 19, 08:37 PM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote

| Isn't that what desktops and shortcuts are for?
|
| I said, in the bit that you've snipped, that I neither needed nor wanted
| to change the order in the left pane; I just wondered if you _could_. It
| was just an idle wonder.
|
I understood. But as long as you're going to
talk about it....


| I've
| never used the Folders Explorer Bar. I find it too tedious to
| deal with all those tiny nodes. On XP and Win7-32 I have
| a custom Explorer Bar with links to folders within folder
| windows. On my desktop I have shortcuts to all drives
| and several commonly used folders.
|
| I think we may also be talking about different things; I was talking
| about the left pane in a normal Explorer window. I'm not sure what the
| "Folders Explorer _Bar_" is, but I don't think it's what I was talking
| about.

The left pane is where an Explorer Bar *can* be. The
other option is just to have a folder window. If you have
and Explorer Bar you can choose. The default is Folders.
On my system, when I go to View - Explorer Bar I see
Search, Favorites, History, my own custom bar, and
Folders. What you see is actually a shell extension. A
separate window that gets loaded into folder windows.

That started with Win98 and Active Desktop. As far as
I know it still works in newer Windows versions. I've used
my own bar on Win7, but I haven't looked into whether
Win10 still allows shell extensions. It may be complicated
by the IE changes. Active Desktop began an integration
between IE and Explorer Microsoft came up with various
shell extension options. Explorer Bar, Property Pages,
handlers for drop, context menu, etc, Band objects
(Explorer toolbars) and so on.

Window objects show up in Explorer *and* IE. They also
get access to what's going on in each. Gradually, Microsoft
have backed away from the integration. But most of it was
still there, last I looked.


  #25  
Old October 12th 19, 12:01 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_7_]
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Default order in left-hand (tree) pane?

In message , Mayayana
writes:
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote

[]
| I think we may also be talking about different things; I was talking
| about the left pane in a normal Explorer window. I'm not sure what the
| "Folders Explorer _Bar_" is, but I don't think it's what I was talking
| about.

The left pane is where an Explorer Bar *can* be. The
other option is just to have a folder window. If you have
and Explorer Bar you can choose. The default is Folders.


Yes, I know you can turn off the tree pane; I've occasionally done so by
mistake, and found it tedious working out how to get it back.

To me, "bar" implies something long and narrow, and in the Windows
context, usually horizontal (though I know not always). I wouldn't have
_described_ the tree pane as a bar, though I know it can be made narrow.

On my system, when I go to View - Explorer Bar I see
Search, Favorites, History, my own custom bar, and
Folders. What you see is actually a shell extension. A
separate window that gets loaded into folder windows.


I know something of shell extensions - the news/mail/etc. client I use
(Turnpike) is one, and is what has kept me on 32 bit. (No, it's not a 16
bit application, it's 32, but needs the 32 bit shell. For Windows 7, it
worked with all the pre-release versions of the 64-bit version, but not
the final release; AIUI the pre-release versions still included a copy
of some necessary file[s], but the final one didn't. Or something like
that.)

That started with Win98 and Active Desktop. As far as
I know it still works in newer Windows versions. I've used
my own bar on Win7, but I haven't looked into whether
Win10 still allows shell extensions. It may be complicated


I'm told Turnpike still works in 10-32, though I _imagine_ 10-32 is a
rare beast.

by the IE changes. Active Desktop began an integration
between IE and Explorer Microsoft came up with various
shell extension options. Explorer Bar, Property Pages,
handlers for drop, context menu, etc, Band objects
(Explorer toolbars) and so on.

Window objects show up in Explorer *and* IE. They also
get access to what's going on in each. Gradually, Microsoft
have backed away from the integration. But most of it was
still there, last I looked.


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  #26  
Old October 12th 19, 01:53 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Mayayana
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"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote

| That started with Win98 and Active Desktop. As far as
| I know it still works in newer Windows versions. I've used
| my own bar on Win7, but I haven't looked into whether
| Win10 still allows shell extensions. It may be complicated
|
| I'm told Turnpike still works in 10-32, though I _imagine_ 10-32 is a
| rare beast.
|
That makes sense. It should. But it runs in the Explorer
proces, as a DLL. So the bitness has to match. Which would
be why you can't change to 64-bit.


 




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