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  #16  
Old August 25th 19, 08:05 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general,alt.os.linux
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Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 25/08/2019 15.39, Mayayana wrote:
"Carlos E.R." wrote

|
| Some do have filters or grids. You just have to pay more.
| Antec, for instance.
|

Yes, so says Paul. I wasn't aware of that. I usually
pay $20 for a simple tin (or sheet steel?) case. I don't
need anything that looks like a Klingon dashboard
so I've never looked at the expensive boxes.


They have other advantages. Holes for more fans, several hard disk
trays, cushioned for reduced vibration (the vibration from one hard disk
head has been known to transmit to a nearby hard disk causing it more
read errors via positioning head errors because of the vibration at the
proper frequency). Double sheet sides, also to reduce sound transmission.

Filtered air intakes I have seen in ruggerized computer cases intended
for industrial environments. Imagine a machine shop, where the dust can
be metallic particles! Some of those boxes you can put on the floor and
jump over them, safely.


You pay the money, for the side-mount disk trays.
That's the bit that makes it worthwhile. So
easy to change drives. I'm not looking for fancy metal
bits particularly.

https://img.hexus.net/v2/cases/antec/sonata3/4.1.s.jpg

I keep one optical drive in the front-load bays.

And the rest is done with trays that face you.

Paul
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Old August 25th 19, 09:15 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general,alt.os.linux
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On 25/08/2019 21.05, Paul wrote:
Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 25/08/2019 15.39, Mayayana wrote:
"Carlos E.R." wrote

|
| Some do have filters or grids. You just have to pay more.
| Antec, for instance.
|

Â* Yes, so says Paul. I wasn't aware of that. I usually
pay $20 for a simple tin (or sheet steel?) case. I don't
need anything that looks like a Klingon dashboard
so I've never looked at the expensive boxes.


They have other advantages. Holes for more fans, several hard disk
trays, cushioned for reduced vibration (the vibration from one hard disk
head has been known to transmit to a nearby hard disk causing it more
read errors via positioning head errors because of the vibration at the
proper frequency). Double sheet sides, also to reduce sound transmission.

Filtered air intakes I have seen in ruggerized computer cases intended
for industrial environments. Imagine a machine shop, where the dust can
be metallic particles! Some of those boxes you can put on the floor and
jump over them, safely.


You pay the money, for the side-mount disk trays.
That's the bit that makes it worthwhile. So
easy to change drives. I'm not looking for fancy metal
bits particularly.

https://img.hexus.net/v2/cases/antec/sonata3/4.1.s.jpg


Side mounted! Interesting. But the cables are right in the back, very
difficult to insert unless you remove as well the back cover.


I keep one optical drive in the front-load bays.

And the rest is done with trays that face you.


Cables at the back... :-P

--
Cheers, Carlos.
  #18  
Old August 25th 19, 09:43 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general,alt.os.linux
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On 2019-08-25 3:15 p.m., Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 25/08/2019 21.05, Paul wrote:
Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 25/08/2019 15.39, Mayayana wrote:
"Carlos E.R." wrote

|
| Some do have filters or grids. You just have to pay more.
| Antec, for instance.
|

Â* Yes, so says Paul. I wasn't aware of that. I usually
pay $20 for a simple tin (or sheet steel?) case. I don't
need anything that looks like a Klingon dashboard
so I've never looked at the expensive boxes.

They have other advantages. Holes for more fans, several hard disk
trays, cushioned for reduced vibration (the vibration from one hard disk
head has been known to transmit to a nearby hard disk causing it more
read errors via positioning head errors because of the vibration at the
proper frequency). Double sheet sides, also to reduce sound transmission.

Filtered air intakes I have seen in ruggerized computer cases intended
for industrial environments. Imagine a machine shop, where the dust can
be metallic particles! Some of those boxes you can put on the floor and
jump over them, safely.


You pay the money, for the side-mount disk trays.
That's the bit that makes it worthwhile. So
easy to change drives. I'm not looking for fancy metal
bits particularly.

https://img.hexus.net/v2/cases/antec/sonata3/4.1.s.jpg


Side mounted! Interesting. But the cables are right in the back, very
difficult to insert unless you remove as well the back cover.


I keep one optical drive in the front-load bays.

And the rest is done with trays that face you.


Cables at the back... :-P


Off course, 2 knurled thumbscrews and your their, My case is arranged
exactly the same. Rene

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Old August 25th 19, 10:07 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general,alt.os.linux
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Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 2019-08-25 3:15 p.m., Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 25/08/2019 21.05, Paul wrote:
Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 25/08/2019 15.39, Mayayana wrote:
"Carlos E.R." wrote

|
| Some do have filters or grids. You just have to pay more.
| Antec, for instance.
|

Yes, so says Paul. I wasn't aware of that. I usually
pay $20 for a simple tin (or sheet steel?) case. I don't
need anything that looks like a Klingon dashboard
so I've never looked at the expensive boxes.

They have other advantages. Holes for more fans, several hard disk
trays, cushioned for reduced vibration (the vibration from one hard
disk
head has been known to transmit to a nearby hard disk causing it more
read errors via positioning head errors because of the vibration at the
proper frequency). Double sheet sides, also to reduce sound
transmission.

Filtered air intakes I have seen in ruggerized computer cases intended
for industrial environments. Imagine a machine shop, where the dust can
be metallic particles! Some of those boxes you can put on the floor and
jump over them, safely.

You pay the money, for the side-mount disk trays.
That's the bit that makes it worthwhile. So
easy to change drives. I'm not looking for fancy metal
bits particularly.

https://img.hexus.net/v2/cases/antec/sonata3/4.1.s.jpg


Side mounted! Interesting. But the cables are right in the back, very
difficult to insert unless you remove as well the back cover.


I keep one optical drive in the front-load bays.

And the rest is done with trays that face you.


Cables at the back... :-P


Off course, 2 knurled thumbscrews and your their, My case is arranged
exactly the same. Rene


Some right-angle connectors and bobs yer uncle.

The cable routing is a bit tortured, and the bottom-most
tray tends to not get used. So using three drives is
a comfortable max with the trays. If I left the door off
the box, I could use all of them, but that's not good
for cooling. I can leave the door off, if using just
SSDs on it.

Paul
  #20  
Old August 25th 19, 10:30 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general,alt.os.linux
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"Carlos E.R." wrote

| And the rest is done with trays that face you.
|
| Cables at the back... :-P
|

There used to be an Englishman in the programming
groups who liked to use caddies. I don't know quite how
they worked, but somehow he installed a chassis in
a drive bay and then had 3 1/2" enclosures for the
hard disks, that fit into the chassis. So when he wanted
to test software, rather than use a VM, he just pulled
out one hard disk and slid in another, with a different
OS on each disk. I picture it as something like an 8-track
player but I've never actually seen such hardware.

Personally I change hardware very rarely, so I don't
need any special convenience.


  #21  
Old August 25th 19, 10:32 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general,alt.os.linux
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On 25/08/2019 23.07, Paul wrote:
Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 2019-08-25 3:15 p.m., Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 25/08/2019 21.05, Paul wrote:
Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 25/08/2019 15.39, Mayayana wrote:
"Carlos E.R." wrote

|
| Some do have filters or grids. You just have to pay more.
| Antec, for instance.
|

Â*Â* Yes, so says Paul. I wasn't aware of that. I usually
pay $20 for a simple tin (or sheet steel?) case. I don't
need anything that looks like a Klingon dashboard
so I've never looked at the expensive boxes.

They have other advantages. Holes for more fans, several hard disk
trays, cushioned for reduced vibration (the vibration from one hard
disk
head has been known to transmit to a nearby hard disk causing it more
read errors via positioning head errors because of the vibration at
the
proper frequency). Double sheet sides, also to reduce sound
transmission.

Filtered air intakes I have seen in ruggerized computer cases intended
for industrial environments. Imagine a machine shop, where the dust
can
be metallic particles! Some of those boxes you can put on the floor
and
jump over them, safely.

You pay the money, for the side-mount disk trays.
That's the bit that makes it worthwhile. So
easy to change drives. I'm not looking for fancy metal
bits particularly.

https://img.hexus.net/v2/cases/antec/sonata3/4.1.s.jpg

Side mounted! Interesting. But the cables are right in the back, very
difficult to insert unless you remove as well the back cover.


I keep one optical drive in the front-load bays.

And the rest is done with trays that face you.

Cables at the back... :-P


Off course, 2 knurled thumbscrews and your their, My case is arranged
exactly the same.Â* Rene



To open that panel, I have to partially extract the computer from its
rack first. And in my Antec case, the back panel (right hand) has actual
screws, while the front panel (left panel) has thumbscrews. That is, you
have to remove both panels to replace a hard disk. Me, one. Well, and
the front plastic thing that hides the fans and dust grid.

Some right-angle connectors and bobs yer uncle.


Still...


The cable routing is a bit tortured, and the bottom-most
tray tends to not get used. So using three drives is
a comfortable max with the trays. If I left the door off
the box, I could use all of them, but that's not good
for cooling. I can leave the door off, if using just
SSDs on it.


I use the four, with two fans. Plus an SSD elsewhere, and afterthought.

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  #22  
Old August 25th 19, 10:35 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general,alt.os.linux
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On 25/08/2019 23.30, Mayayana wrote:
"Carlos E.R." wrote

| And the rest is done with trays that face you.
|
| Cables at the back... :-P
|

There used to be an Englishman in the programming
groups who liked to use caddies. I don't know quite how
they worked, but somehow he installed a chassis in
a drive bay and then had 3 1/2" enclosures for the
hard disks, that fit into the chassis. So when he wanted
to test software, rather than use a VM, he just pulled
out one hard disk and slid in another, with a different
OS on each disk. I picture it as something like an 8-track
player but I've never actually seen such hardware.


Yes, I remember hearing of that kind of setup, but elsewhere.

Personally I change hardware very rarely, so I don't
need any special convenience.


Most of us use VM for those things, I guess...


--
Cheers, Carlos.
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Old August 25th 19, 11:32 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.os.linux
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On 8/25/2019 9:14 AM, Mayayana wrote:
"Paul" wrote

|
| There are computer cases with a filter screen in the
| front of the computer. They're similar to the consistency
| of electric dryer filters for airflow. It is meant to handle
| the intake vent area on this case.
|
|
http://sophstertoaster.com/wordpress...er-300x238.jpg
|
| You'd only have to clean it, oh, every three months.
|
| That's one of the first things I removed and
| put back in the computer case box when I got it :-/
|

Really? You don't see the point of a filter? Furnace-type
filters are very low resistance and don't plug up for a long
time. But they provide enough filtering to stop things like
hair and human dander. I find that only very fine dust
gets through. And I can pretty much clean the filter just
by running the vacuum over the intake holes.


| Some people advocate using a nylon stocking material
| as a filter. And that would plug up in a week. Think
| of how much cleaning you'd have to do over the course
| of a year.
|

Maybe you should think about moving out of that
landfill.


You really should try using negro prostitute
panties as a filter. They are effective at trapping
dust and add a pleasant, musky bouquet to the room.
  #24  
Old August 26th 19, 12:21 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general,alt.os.linux
Rene Lamontagne
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On 2019-08-25 4:35 p.m., Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 25/08/2019 23.30, Mayayana wrote:
"Carlos E.R." wrote

| And the rest is done with trays that face you.
|
| Cables at the back... :-P
|

There used to be an Englishman in the programming
groups who liked to use caddies. I don't know quite how
they worked, but somehow he installed a chassis in
a drive bay and then had 3 1/2" enclosures for the
hard disks, that fit into the chassis. So when he wanted
to test software, rather than use a VM, he just pulled
out one hard disk and slid in another, with a different
OS on each disk. I picture it as something like an 8-track
player but I've never actually seen such hardware.


Yes, I remember hearing of that kind of setup, but elsewhere.

Personally I change hardware very rarely, so I don't
need any special convenience.


Most of us use VM for those things, I guess...



M Coolermaster CM690 II case has what they called an X Bay built into
the top It is a slanted ramp with SSD connectors at the lower end It is
a hot Swap bay and you can plug or unplug SSDs at any time.
I have about 5 12 GB samsung and Kingston SSDs on which I have installed

Windows 10 insider
Windows 7
Linux Mint
MX Linux
ZenialPup 7.5

So I just slide in whatever OS I want and boot into that drive.
Best thing since sliced bread, They still make that case 10 years later
but sadly have not retained that feature.

Rene

  #25  
Old August 26th 19, 12:25 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general,alt.os.linux
Rene Lamontagne
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On 2019-08-25 6:21 p.m., Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 2019-08-25 4:35 p.m., Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 25/08/2019 23.30, Mayayana wrote:
"Carlos E.R." wrote

| And the rest is done with trays that face you.
|
| Cables at the back... :-P
|

Â*Â* There used to be an Englishman in the programming
groups who liked to use caddies. I don't know quite how
they worked, but somehow he installed a chassis in
a drive bay and then had 3 1/2" enclosures for the
hard disks, that fit into the chassis. So when he wanted
to test software, rather than use a VM, he just pulled
out one hard disk and slid in another, with a different
OS on each disk. I picture it as something like an 8-track
player but I've never actually seen such hardware.


Yes, I remember hearing of that kind of setup, but elsewhere.

Â*Â* Personally I change hardware very rarely, so I don't
need any special convenience.


Most of us use VM for those things, I guess...



M Coolermaster CM690 II case has what they called an X Bay built into
the top It is a slanted ramp with SSD connectors at the lower end It is
a hot Swap bay and you can plug or unplug SSDs at any time.
I have about 5 12 GB samsung and Kingston SSDs on which I have installed

Windows 10 insider
Windows 7
Linux Mint
MX Linux
ZenialPup 7.5

So I just slide in whatever OS I want and boot into that drive.
Best thing since sliced bread, They still make that case 10 years later
but sadly have not retained that feature.

Rene


Sorry, 120 GB SSDs, Pretty hard to find 12 GB ones. :-)

Rene
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Old August 26th 19, 12:27 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general,alt.os.linux
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On 25/08/2019 22:30:19, Mayayana wrote:
"Carlos E.R." wrote

And the rest is done with trays that face you.


Cables at the back... :-P


There used to be an Englishman in the programming
groups who liked to use caddies. I don't know quite how
they worked, but somehow he installed a chassis in
a drive bay and then had 3 1/2" enclosures for the
hard disks, that fit into the chassis. So when he wanted
to test software, rather than use a VM, he just pulled
out one hard disk and slid in another, with a different
OS on each disk. I picture it as something like an 8-track
player but I've never actually seen such hardware.

Personally I change hardware very rarely, so I don't
need any special convenience.


Great devices for desktop pc's. The outer casing fitted into a five and
half inch drive bay then the inner casing containing the hard drive
slotted into it. You just needed one outer casing for using multiple
inner casings, although you had to buy the whole inner and outer
casings every time as a kit.
Video here of some one using them even with an SSD drive.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRtAlYAUhKM

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Old August 26th 19, 12:33 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general,alt.os.linux
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On 26/08/2019 01.25, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 2019-08-25 6:21 p.m., Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 2019-08-25 4:35 p.m., Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 25/08/2019 23.30, Mayayana wrote:
"Carlos E.R." wrote

| And the rest is done with trays that face you.
|
| Cables at the back... :-P
|

Â*Â* There used to be an Englishman in the programming
groups who liked to use caddies. I don't know quite how
they worked, but somehow he installed a chassis in
a drive bay and then had 3 1/2" enclosures for the
hard disks, that fit into the chassis. So when he wanted
to test software, rather than use a VM, he just pulled
out one hard disk and slid in another, with a different
OS on each disk. I picture it as something like an 8-track
player but I've never actually seen such hardware.

Yes, I remember hearing of that kind of setup, but elsewhere.

Â*Â* Personally I change hardware very rarely, so I don't
need any special convenience.

Most of us use VM for those things, I guess...



M Coolermaster CM690 II case has what they called an X Bay built into
the top It is a slanted ramp with SSD connectors at the lower end It
is a hot Swap bay and you can plug or unplug SSDs at any time.
I have about 5 12 GB samsung and Kingston SSDs on which I have installed

Windows 10 insider
Windows 7
Linux Mint
MX Linux
ZenialPup 7.5

So I just slide in whatever OS I want and boot into that drive.
Best thing since sliced bread, They still make that case 10 years
later but sadly have not retained that feature.

Rene


Sorry, 120 GB SSDs, Pretty hard to find 12 GB ones.Â* :-)


Ah! I was a bit surprised.


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  #28  
Old August 26th 19, 04:15 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general,alt.os.linux
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Mayayana wrote:
"Carlos E.R." wrote

| And the rest is done with trays that face you.
|
| Cables at the back... :-P
|

There used to be an Englishman in the programming
groups who liked to use caddies. I don't know quite how
they worked, but somehow he installed a chassis in
a drive bay and then had 3 1/2" enclosures for the
hard disks, that fit into the chassis. So when he wanted
to test software, rather than use a VM, he just pulled
out one hard disk and slid in another, with a different
OS on each disk. I picture it as something like an 8-track
player but I've never actually seen such hardware.

Personally I change hardware very rarely, so I don't
need any special convenience.


You can't test everything in a VM.

The BIOS level emulation quality can be an issue
(especially for UEFI).

Paul
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Old August 26th 19, 08:42 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general,alt.os.linux
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On 2019-08-25, Mayayana wrote:
"Cleaner Advise" wrote

| Looking for a vacuum cleaner to clean my machine from inside. Less
| aggressive solution please as I don't want the cables to be sucked away
| and ruin my machine!!.

I just use a regular vacuum with the "get-in-the-corners"
attachment. It's plastic, but I still avoid actual contact
to minimize static electricity risk. The high suction from that
small tip is an advantage. You can't easily vacuum up
circuit boards and cables, and having the high suction means
that I can clean parts without touching them. Don't waste
money on "high tech" vacuum cleaners. Those are just made
to exploit compulsive types -- the kind of people who cover
their computer with a plastic bag when the housecleaner
comes; not because the computer benefits but rather because
they anthropomorphize their computer and imagine it to be
as OCD as they are. (There are a lot of people writing code
who shouldn't be trusted to make their own coffee. The worst
part is that they assume, because they're geniuses at code,
they're also geniuses at everything else. So why can't they
find their own buttonholes? Must be that a state college
engineer designed the shirt.

I also use filters. Home Depot sells a furnace filter pad,
maybe 20x24. It comes with a black carbon filter pad and
a black plastic grid for support. Three layers. It's thin, with
low air resistance. I cut the pads to fit over the box's intake
holes, cut a plastic grid to match, then attach that with
small plastic ties. Occasionally I'll vacuum the outside of the
filters. The overall effect is that I get very little dust inside
in the first place.

It seems idiotic to me that computer cases don't come
with similar, replaceable filters.


Some cases do.

We have two Advantech 4U industrial PC cases at work that have
washable filters in the front

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  #30  
Old August 26th 19, 10:21 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general,alt.os.linux
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"Mayayana" wrote in message
...
"Carlos E.R." wrote

| And the rest is done with trays that face you.
|
| Cables at the back... :-P
|

There used to be an Englishman in the programming
groups who liked to use caddies. I don't know quite how
they worked, but somehow he installed a chassis in
a drive bay and then had 3 1/2" enclosures for the
hard disks, that fit into the chassis. So when he wanted
to test software, rather than use a VM, he just pulled
out one hard disk and slid in another, with a different
OS on each disk. I picture it as something like an 8-track
player but I've never actually seen such hardware.

Personally I change hardware very rarely, so I don't
need any special convenience.


Yes, I also used caddies for a time. I still have an unused one in its box
which says MobileRack since 1994 so that might be the brand name.
They weren't hot swappable under XP.
Used with 3.5" IDE drives at the time but later 2.5" drives plus a SATA to
IDE adapter made them even more convenient & lighter.
The case also had a lock where the key was a tube with a protruding pin.
Enough to stop casual removal.

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