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new computer question
The computer companies, Dell included, are hiring out
tech support overseas putting techs here out of work. (If the companies here keep sending work overseas soon there will be no one here to buy anything since no one will be working and they will wonder why sells have dropped, eh.) When you call for support you may get a reading from a book and two techs will give you two different answers for the same problem (one may void your warranty, that's how bad it can be). There are horror stories at PC World and various other magazines and web sites about this. You may get someone whose English is so bad that you can't even understand them. It isn't what it used to be, that's why I build my own and have for years (it is easier to return one bad component). You may want to try a local computer store (mom and pop variety) since, lately, they have been getting better scores (PC World). Make sure that they have been in business for a good while and that they have a good standing with the BBB. Make sure you get everything in writing and what the length of the warranty and what the warranty contains. Make sure of their support. You can pick and choose your components this way - there on site and it is generally cheaper. Some will give you a discount if you are non-profit. My opinion only! "RB" wrote in message ... Here's an easy one..... I need to go buy a general purpose pc (full package to include mouse, keyboard, flat screen monitor), for light duty office email and word processing. I have to get three competitive bids. What features/specs, etc, should I be looking for (in addition to Win XP for OS) to be able to readily find an economical package? I figure going to Wal Wart, Circuit City, etc, but want to be comparing apples to apples. |
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One major problem with that discount (mom and pop) store is
that their power supplies may be missing essential functions that were defacto standard even 30 years ago. Those who believe in free markets always buy the best. IOW buy power supplies that meet Intel specifications. Those who would protect the technically naive buy inferior products from little computer store; whose people never even learned what those essential power supply functions are. But again. How to know that little computer store does not provide a good product. Where are the comprehensive diagnostics for the system? Not only is power supply missing essential functions (that could destroy other computer components), but the little computer store does not provide comprehensive diagnostics. Just more reasons why the Dell would be a better product. mouseyface wrote: The computer companies, Dell included, are hiring out tech support overseas putting techs here out of work. (If the companies here keep sending work overseas soon there will be no one here to buy anything since no one will be working and they will wonder why sells have dropped, eh.) When you call for support you may get a reading from a book and two techs will give you two different answers for the same problem (one may void your warranty, that's how bad it can be). There are horror stories at PC World and various other magazines and web sites about this. You may get someone whose English is so bad that you can't even understand them. It isn't what it used to be, that's why I build my own and have for years (it is easier to return one bad component). You may want to try a local computer store (mom and pop variety) since, lately, they have been getting better scores (PC World). Make sure that they have been in business for a good while and that they have a good standing with the BBB. Make sure you get everything in writing and what the length of the warranty and what the warranty contains. Make sure of their support. You can pick and choose your components this way - there on site and it is generally cheaper. Some will give you a discount if you are non-profit. My opinion only! |
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new computer question
For example only, there is a computer store here in Wichita
that will build you a computer from the components you select. They will support it. You can select the case, power supply, mobo, CPU, what ever you want. You can buy the parts from them and do it yourself or they will put it together for you. They seem to be pretty sharp and the shop area is clean and neat. If you don't know what you want or need they will help you with the project. Their prices did not seem out of line, in fact they offered to order a mobo for me and there price was no higher than New Egg for the same product. I hope they are still business when I can afford to upgrade this computer and build a few more for the family. "w_tom" wrote in message ... | One major problem with that discount (mom and pop) store is | that their power supplies may be missing essential functions | that were defacto standard even 30 years ago. Those who | believe in free markets always buy the best. IOW buy power | supplies that meet Intel specifications. Those who would | protect the technically naive buy inferior products from | little computer store; whose people never even learned what | those essential power supply functions are. | | But again. How to know that little computer store does not | provide a good product. Where are the comprehensive | diagnostics for the system? Not only is power supply missing | essential functions (that could destroy other computer | components), but the little computer store does not provide | comprehensive diagnostics. Just more reasons why the Dell | would be a better product. | | mouseyface wrote: | The computer companies, Dell included, are hiring out | tech support overseas putting techs here out of work. (If the | companies here keep sending work overseas soon there will be no | one here to buy anything since no one will be working and they | will wonder why sells have dropped, eh.) When you call for | support you may get a reading from a book and two techs will give | you two different answers for the same problem (one may void your | warranty, that's how bad it can be). There are horror stories | at PC World and various other magazines and web sites about this. | You may get someone whose English is so bad that you can't even | understand them. It isn't what it used to be, that's why I build | my own and have for years (it is easier to return one bad | component). | | You may want to try a local computer store (mom and pop variety) | since, lately, they have been getting better scores (PC World). | Make sure that they have been in business for a good while and | that they have a good standing with the BBB. Make sure you get | everything in writing and what the length of the warranty and what | the warranty contains. Make sure of their support. You can pick | and choose your components this way - there on site and it is | generally cheaper. Some will give you a discount if you are | non-profit. | | My opinion only! |
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"Jim Macklin" wrote in message ... | For example only, there is a computer store here in Wichita | that will build you a computer from the components you | select. They will support it. You can select the case, | power supply, mobo, CPU, what ever you want. You can buy | the parts from them and do it yourself or they will put it | together for you. They seem to be pretty sharp and the shop | area is clean and neat. If you don't know what you want or | need they will help you with the project. | | Their prices did not seem out of line, in fact they offered | to order a mobo for me and their price was no higher than | New Egg for the same product. | | I hope they are still business when I can afford to upgrade | this computer and build a few more for the family. | | | "w_tom" wrote in message | ... | | One major problem with that discount (mom and pop) store | is | | that their power supplies may be missing essential | functions | | that were defacto standard even 30 years ago. Those who | | believe in free markets always buy the best. IOW buy | power | | supplies that meet Intel specifications. Those who would | | protect the technically naive buy inferior products from | | little computer store; whose people never even learned | what | | those essential power supply functions are. | | | | But again. How to know that little computer store does | not | | provide a good product. Where are the comprehensive | | diagnostics for the system? Not only is power supply | missing | | essential functions (that could destroy other computer | | components), but the little computer store does not | provide | | comprehensive diagnostics. Just more reasons why the Dell | | would be a better product. | | | | mouseyface wrote: | | The computer companies, Dell included, are hiring out | | tech support overseas putting techs here out of work. | (If the | | companies here keep sending work overseas soon there | will be no | | one here to buy anything since no one will be working | and they | | will wonder why sells have dropped, eh.) When you call | for | | support you may get a reading from a book and two techs | will give | | you two different answers for the same problem (one may | void your | | warranty, that's how bad it can be). There are horror | stories | | at PC World and various other magazines and web sites | about this. | | You may get someone whose English is so bad that you | can't even | | understand them. It isn't what it used to be, that's | why I build | | my own and have for years (it is easier to return one | bad | | component). | | | | You may want to try a local computer store (mom and pop | variety) | | since, lately, they have been getting better scores (PC | World). | | Make sure that they have been in business for a good | while and | | that they have a good standing with the BBB. Make sure | you get | | everything in writing and what the length of the | warranty and what | | the warranty contains. Make sure of their support. You | can pick | | and choose your components this way - there on site and | it is | | generally cheaper. Some will give you a discount if you | are | | non-profit. | | | | My opinion only! | | |
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The computer companies, Dell included, are hiring out
tech support overseas putting techs here out of work. (If the companies here keep sending work overseas soon there will be no one here to buy anything since no one will be working and they will wonder why sells have dropped, eh.) When you call for support you may get a reading from a book and two techs will give you two different answers for the same problem (one may void your warranty, that's how bad it can be). There are horror stories at PC World and various other magazines and web sites about this. You may get someone whose English is so bad that you can't even understand them. It isn't what it used to be, that's why I build my own and have for years (it is easier to return one bad component). You may want to try a local computer store (mom and pop variety) since, lately, they have been getting better scores (PC World). Make sure that they have been in business for a good while and that they have a good standing with the BBB. Make sure you get everything in writing and what the length of the warranty and what the warranty contains. Make sure of their support. You can pick and choose your components this way - there on site and it is generally cheaper. Some will give you a discount if you are non-profit. My opinion only! "RB" wrote in message ... Here's an easy one..... I need to go buy a general purpose pc (full package to include mouse, keyboard, flat screen monitor), for light duty office email and word processing. I have to get three competitive bids. What features/specs, etc, should I be looking for (in addition to Win XP for OS) to be able to readily find an economical package? I figure going to Wal Wart, Circuit City, etc, but want to be comparing apples to apples. |
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new computer question
One major problem with that discount (mom and pop) store is
that their power supplies may be missing essential functions that were defacto standard even 30 years ago. Those who believe in free markets always buy the best. IOW buy power supplies that meet Intel specifications. Those who would protect the technically naive buy inferior products from little computer store; whose people never even learned what those essential power supply functions are. But again. How to know that little computer store does not provide a good product. Where are the comprehensive diagnostics for the system? Not only is power supply missing essential functions (that could destroy other computer components), but the little computer store does not provide comprehensive diagnostics. Just more reasons why the Dell would be a better product. mouseyface wrote: The computer companies, Dell included, are hiring out tech support overseas putting techs here out of work. (If the companies here keep sending work overseas soon there will be no one here to buy anything since no one will be working and they will wonder why sells have dropped, eh.) When you call for support you may get a reading from a book and two techs will give you two different answers for the same problem (one may void your warranty, that's how bad it can be). There are horror stories at PC World and various other magazines and web sites about this. You may get someone whose English is so bad that you can't even understand them. It isn't what it used to be, that's why I build my own and have for years (it is easier to return one bad component). You may want to try a local computer store (mom and pop variety) since, lately, they have been getting better scores (PC World). Make sure that they have been in business for a good while and that they have a good standing with the BBB. Make sure you get everything in writing and what the length of the warranty and what the warranty contains. Make sure of their support. You can pick and choose your components this way - there on site and it is generally cheaper. Some will give you a discount if you are non-profit. My opinion only! |
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For example only, there is a computer store here in Wichita
that will build you a computer from the components you select. They will support it. You can select the case, power supply, mobo, CPU, what ever you want. You can buy the parts from them and do it yourself or they will put it together for you. They seem to be pretty sharp and the shop area is clean and neat. If you don't know what you want or need they will help you with the project. Their prices did not seem out of line, in fact they offered to order a mobo for me and there price was no higher than New Egg for the same product. I hope they are still business when I can afford to upgrade this computer and build a few more for the family. "w_tom" wrote in message ... | One major problem with that discount (mom and pop) store is | that their power supplies may be missing essential functions | that were defacto standard even 30 years ago. Those who | believe in free markets always buy the best. IOW buy power | supplies that meet Intel specifications. Those who would | protect the technically naive buy inferior products from | little computer store; whose people never even learned what | those essential power supply functions are. | | But again. How to know that little computer store does not | provide a good product. Where are the comprehensive | diagnostics for the system? Not only is power supply missing | essential functions (that could destroy other computer | components), but the little computer store does not provide | comprehensive diagnostics. Just more reasons why the Dell | would be a better product. | | mouseyface wrote: | The computer companies, Dell included, are hiring out | tech support overseas putting techs here out of work. (If the | companies here keep sending work overseas soon there will be no | one here to buy anything since no one will be working and they | will wonder why sells have dropped, eh.) When you call for | support you may get a reading from a book and two techs will give | you two different answers for the same problem (one may void your | warranty, that's how bad it can be). There are horror stories | at PC World and various other magazines and web sites about this. | You may get someone whose English is so bad that you can't even | understand them. It isn't what it used to be, that's why I build | my own and have for years (it is easier to return one bad | component). | | You may want to try a local computer store (mom and pop variety) | since, lately, they have been getting better scores (PC World). | Make sure that they have been in business for a good while and | that they have a good standing with the BBB. Make sure you get | everything in writing and what the length of the warranty and what | the warranty contains. Make sure of their support. You can pick | and choose your components this way - there on site and it is | generally cheaper. Some will give you a discount if you are | non-profit. | | My opinion only! |
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"Jim Macklin" wrote in message ... | For example only, there is a computer store here in Wichita | that will build you a computer from the components you | select. They will support it. You can select the case, | power supply, mobo, CPU, what ever you want. You can buy | the parts from them and do it yourself or they will put it | together for you. They seem to be pretty sharp and the shop | area is clean and neat. If you don't know what you want or | need they will help you with the project. | | Their prices did not seem out of line, in fact they offered | to order a mobo for me and their price was no higher than | New Egg for the same product. | | I hope they are still business when I can afford to upgrade | this computer and build a few more for the family. | | | "w_tom" wrote in message | ... | | One major problem with that discount (mom and pop) store | is | | that their power supplies may be missing essential | functions | | that were defacto standard even 30 years ago. Those who | | believe in free markets always buy the best. IOW buy | power | | supplies that meet Intel specifications. Those who would | | protect the technically naive buy inferior products from | | little computer store; whose people never even learned | what | | those essential power supply functions are. | | | | But again. How to know that little computer store does | not | | provide a good product. Where are the comprehensive | | diagnostics for the system? Not only is power supply | missing | | essential functions (that could destroy other computer | | components), but the little computer store does not | provide | | comprehensive diagnostics. Just more reasons why the Dell | | would be a better product. | | | | mouseyface wrote: | | The computer companies, Dell included, are hiring out | | tech support overseas putting techs here out of work. | (If the | | companies here keep sending work overseas soon there | will be no | | one here to buy anything since no one will be working | and they | | will wonder why sells have dropped, eh.) When you call | for | | support you may get a reading from a book and two techs | will give | | you two different answers for the same problem (one may | void your | | warranty, that's how bad it can be). There are horror | stories | | at PC World and various other magazines and web sites | about this. | | You may get someone whose English is so bad that you | can't even | | understand them. It isn't what it used to be, that's | why I build | | my own and have for years (it is easier to return one | bad | | component). | | | | You may want to try a local computer store (mom and pop | variety) | | since, lately, they have been getting better scores (PC | World). | | Make sure that they have been in business for a good | while and | | that they have a good standing with the BBB. Make sure | you get | | everything in writing and what the length of the | warranty and what | | the warranty contains. Make sure of their support. You | can pick | | and choose your components this way - there on site and | it is | | generally cheaper. Some will give you a discount if you | are | | non-profit. | | | | My opinion only! | | |
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One major problem with that discount (mom and pop) store is
that their power supplies may be missing essential functions that were defacto standard even 30 years ago. Those who believe in free markets always buy the best. IOW buy power supplies that meet Intel specifications. Those who would protect the technically naive buy inferior products from little computer store; whose people never even learned what those essential power supply functions are. But again. How to know that little computer store does not provide a good product. Where are the comprehensive diagnostics for the system? Not only is power supply missing essential functions (that could destroy other computer components), but the little computer store does not provide comprehensive diagnostics. Just more reasons why the Dell would be a better product. mouseyface wrote: The computer companies, Dell included, are hiring out tech support overseas putting techs here out of work. (If the companies here keep sending work overseas soon there will be no one here to buy anything since no one will be working and they will wonder why sells have dropped, eh.) When you call for support you may get a reading from a book and two techs will give you two different answers for the same problem (one may void your warranty, that's how bad it can be). There are horror stories at PC World and various other magazines and web sites about this. You may get someone whose English is so bad that you can't even understand them. It isn't what it used to be, that's why I build my own and have for years (it is easier to return one bad component). You may want to try a local computer store (mom and pop variety) since, lately, they have been getting better scores (PC World). Make sure that they have been in business for a good while and that they have a good standing with the BBB. Make sure you get everything in writing and what the length of the warranty and what the warranty contains. Make sure of their support. You can pick and choose your components this way - there on site and it is generally cheaper. Some will give you a discount if you are non-profit. My opinion only! |
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For example only, there is a computer store here in Wichita
that will build you a computer from the components you select. They will support it. You can select the case, power supply, mobo, CPU, what ever you want. You can buy the parts from them and do it yourself or they will put it together for you. They seem to be pretty sharp and the shop area is clean and neat. If you don't know what you want or need they will help you with the project. Their prices did not seem out of line, in fact they offered to order a mobo for me and there price was no higher than New Egg for the same product. I hope they are still business when I can afford to upgrade this computer and build a few more for the family. "w_tom" wrote in message ... | One major problem with that discount (mom and pop) store is | that their power supplies may be missing essential functions | that were defacto standard even 30 years ago. Those who | believe in free markets always buy the best. IOW buy power | supplies that meet Intel specifications. Those who would | protect the technically naive buy inferior products from | little computer store; whose people never even learned what | those essential power supply functions are. | | But again. How to know that little computer store does not | provide a good product. Where are the comprehensive | diagnostics for the system? Not only is power supply missing | essential functions (that could destroy other computer | components), but the little computer store does not provide | comprehensive diagnostics. Just more reasons why the Dell | would be a better product. | | mouseyface wrote: | The computer companies, Dell included, are hiring out | tech support overseas putting techs here out of work. (If the | companies here keep sending work overseas soon there will be no | one here to buy anything since no one will be working and they | will wonder why sells have dropped, eh.) When you call for | support you may get a reading from a book and two techs will give | you two different answers for the same problem (one may void your | warranty, that's how bad it can be). There are horror stories | at PC World and various other magazines and web sites about this. | You may get someone whose English is so bad that you can't even | understand them. It isn't what it used to be, that's why I build | my own and have for years (it is easier to return one bad | component). | | You may want to try a local computer store (mom and pop variety) | since, lately, they have been getting better scores (PC World). | Make sure that they have been in business for a good while and | that they have a good standing with the BBB. Make sure you get | everything in writing and what the length of the warranty and what | the warranty contains. Make sure of their support. You can pick | and choose your components this way - there on site and it is | generally cheaper. Some will give you a discount if you are | non-profit. | | My opinion only! |
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"Jim Macklin" wrote in message ... | For example only, there is a computer store here in Wichita | that will build you a computer from the components you | select. They will support it. You can select the case, | power supply, mobo, CPU, what ever you want. You can buy | the parts from them and do it yourself or they will put it | together for you. They seem to be pretty sharp and the shop | area is clean and neat. If you don't know what you want or | need they will help you with the project. | | Their prices did not seem out of line, in fact they offered | to order a mobo for me and their price was no higher than | New Egg for the same product. | | I hope they are still business when I can afford to upgrade | this computer and build a few more for the family. | | | "w_tom" wrote in message | ... | | One major problem with that discount (mom and pop) store | is | | that their power supplies may be missing essential | functions | | that were defacto standard even 30 years ago. Those who | | believe in free markets always buy the best. IOW buy | power | | supplies that meet Intel specifications. Those who would | | protect the technically naive buy inferior products from | | little computer store; whose people never even learned | what | | those essential power supply functions are. | | | | But again. How to know that little computer store does | not | | provide a good product. Where are the comprehensive | | diagnostics for the system? Not only is power supply | missing | | essential functions (that could destroy other computer | | components), but the little computer store does not | provide | | comprehensive diagnostics. Just more reasons why the Dell | | would be a better product. | | | | mouseyface wrote: | | The computer companies, Dell included, are hiring out | | tech support overseas putting techs here out of work. | (If the | | companies here keep sending work overseas soon there | will be no | | one here to buy anything since no one will be working | and they | | will wonder why sells have dropped, eh.) When you call | for | | support you may get a reading from a book and two techs | will give | | you two different answers for the same problem (one may | void your | | warranty, that's how bad it can be). There are horror | stories | | at PC World and various other magazines and web sites | about this. | | You may get someone whose English is so bad that you | can't even | | understand them. It isn't what it used to be, that's | why I build | | my own and have for years (it is easier to return one | bad | | component). | | | | You may want to try a local computer store (mom and pop | variety) | | since, lately, they have been getting better scores (PC | World). | | Make sure that they have been in business for a good | while and | | that they have a good standing with the BBB. Make sure | you get | | everything in writing and what the length of the | warranty and what | | the warranty contains. Make sure of their support. You | can pick | | and choose your components this way - there on site and | it is | | generally cheaper. Some will give you a discount if you | are | | non-profit. | | | | My opinion only! | | |
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I totally disagree on two counts.
One, there is no such thing as a modern computer power supply that lacks some "essential functions". Sure, some power supplies are under powered (100 watts, for example) or are of poor quality, but lacking essential functions? No. Two, the people at every Mom and Pop computer store I have ever visited possess far more technical knowledge than their counterparts at the larger computer outlets - who are almost always just clerks having little knowledge and - at most - possessing only a script to answer customers questions. Further, the Mom and Pop stores are flexible enough to give the customer exactly what he wants, including component brand selection and non-proprietary hardware. Guess who sells the low quality, proprietary, difficult to upgrade systems to unsuspecting customers? Ever heard of E-Machines, Packard Bell, or Compaq? These brands do not come from Mom and Pop stores. And why the emphasis on Intel? Amd is another perfectly good option. "w_tom" wrote in message ... One major problem with that discount (mom and pop) store is that their power supplies may be missing essential functions that were defacto standard even 30 years ago. Those who believe in free markets always buy the best. IOW buy power supplies that meet Intel specifications. Those who would protect the technically naive buy inferior products from little computer store; whose people never even learned what those essential power supply functions are. But again. How to know that little computer store does not provide a good product. Where are the comprehensive diagnostics for the system? Not only is power supply missing essential functions (that could destroy other computer components), but the little computer store does not provide comprehensive diagnostics. Just more reasons why the Dell would be a better product. mouseyface wrote: The computer companies, Dell included, are hiring out tech support overseas putting techs here out of work. (If the companies here keep sending work overseas soon there will be no one here to buy anything since no one will be working and they will wonder why sells have dropped, eh.) When you call for support you may get a reading from a book and two techs will give you two different answers for the same problem (one may void your warranty, that's how bad it can be). There are horror stories at PC World and various other magazines and web sites about this. You may get someone whose English is so bad that you can't even understand them. It isn't what it used to be, that's why I build my own and have for years (it is easier to return one bad component). You may want to try a local computer store (mom and pop variety) since, lately, they have been getting better scores (PC World). Make sure that they have been in business for a good while and that they have a good standing with the BBB. Make sure you get everything in writing and what the length of the warranty and what the warranty contains. Make sure of their support. You can pick and choose your components this way - there on site and it is generally cheaper. Some will give you a discount if you are non-profit. My opinion only! |
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I find power supplies often missing essential functions.
Missing functions are most common in clone computers. Intel had even stated what specific functions must exist in a power supply (if AMD provides such technical specs for power supplies, then please provide the URL). Ballpark numbers - a power supply selling for $20 or $30 is routinely missing those essential functions. Power supplies that include those essential functions typically sell in the $60 and $70 region. This does not say all $60+ power supplies are properly built. But those $20 and $30 supplies are always missing essential functions. Again, this is old, simple, basic, techical knowledge. If a computer assembler does not even know this, then his job is 'prime ready' to be outsourced to Asia. Unfortunately too many computer 'experts' don't even know the essential functions that must be in a power supply - which is why Asian manufacturers have found a very lucritive market in N America for inferior but low priced power supplies. Demonstrate one essential function in power supplies: short together all the DC voltage outputs and power up. Power supply must not be damaged. Again this was even a defacto standard 30 years ago. Intel specs even say how big the wire must be to short all outputs together (please provide the AMD spec?). This simple test often destroys many unacceptable supplies routinely found in clone computers. Why? I would bet many computer assembler here have always assumed this test would destroy power supplies - only because they have seen a shorted power supply fail. IOW they never first learned basic electrical knowledge which is one reason why jobs end up in Asia. These same people would also recommend that computer from a 'mon & pop' store when the only spec used to select a supply was dollars. Again, a ballpark measure of any acceptable computer - does the manufacturer provide comprehensive diagnostics. Gateway does not. Those discount computer assembler stores do not. Diagnostics are a simple benchmark to find computers built on an engineering basis - not built using a bean counter mentality. Too many are so ill informed as to think every power supply sold to clone computer assemblers contains essential functions. Unfortunately too many don't even know what those essential functions are. BTW there is no relationship between watts and quality. Many naive computer assemblers assoicate more watts with more quality. Some of the worst quality power supply are the grossly oversized 500+ watt supplies. Higher quality supplies in brand name computers are on the order of 250 and 350 watts. But lets learn more. Ok Papa. What are the essential functions inside a power supply? Please demonstrate knowledge gleaned from those mom and pop computer stores. What are the essential functions that power supplies had even 30 years ago? Papa wrote: I totally disagree on two counts. One, there is no such thing as a modern computer power supply that lacks some "essential functions". Sure, some power supplies are under powered (100 watts, for example) or are of poor quality, but lacking essential functions? No. Two, the people at every Mom and Pop computer store I have ever visited possess far more technical knowledge than their counterparts at the larger computer outlets - who are almost always just clerks having little knowledge and - at most - possessing only a script to answer customers questions. Further, the Mom and Pop stores are flexible enough to give the customer exactly what he wants, including component brand selection and non-proprietary hardware. Guess who sells the low quality, proprietary, difficult to upgrade systems to unsuspecting customers? Ever heard of E-Machines, Packard Bell, or Compaq? These brands do not come from Mom and Pop stores. And why the emphasis on Intel? Amd is another perfectly good option. |
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Well, you have thrown around that term, "missing essential functions" a
bunch of times. Yet you never say exactly what those functions are. Not too credible, to say the least. I really doubt if you even know. By the way, unless you love getting spam, you should not use your real email address in NG posts. That's the mark of a "newbie". |
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"w_tom" wrote in message ... One major problem with that discount (mom and pop) store is that their power supplies may be missing essential functions that were defacto standard even 30 years ago. Those who believe in free markets always buy the best. IOW buy power supplies that meet Intel specifications. Those who would protect the technically naive buy inferior products from little computer store; whose people never even learned what those essential power supply functions are. What unknown functions can be missing from a power supply if one reads the label. You sound like a person that wants to put forth no effort and wants someone else to do things for you. But again. How to know that little computer store does not provide a good product. Where are the comprehensive diagnostics for the system? Not only is power supply missing essential functions (that could destroy other computer components), but the little computer store does not provide comprehensive diagnostics. Just more reasons why the Dell would be a better product. mouseyface wrote: The computer companies, Dell included, are hiring out tech support overseas putting techs here out of work. (If the companies here keep sending work overseas soon there will be no one here to buy anything since no one will be working and they will wonder why sells have dropped, eh.) When you call for support you may get a reading from a book and two techs will give you two different answers for the same problem (one may void your warranty, that's how bad it can be). There are horror stories at PC World and various other magazines and web sites about this. You may get someone whose English is so bad that you can't even understand them. It isn't what it used to be, that's why I build my own and have for years (it is easier to return one bad component). You may want to try a local computer store (mom and pop variety) since, lately, they have been getting better scores (PC World). Make sure that they have been in business for a good while and that they have a good standing with the BBB. Make sure you get everything in writing and what the length of the warranty and what the warranty contains. Make sure of their support. You can pick and choose your components this way - there on site and it is generally cheaper. Some will give you a discount if you are non-profit. My opinion only! |
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