Why Linux Sucks- 2020 Version

On 05/01/2020 15:25, flatfish+++ wrote:
On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 08:03:20 +0000, David
wrote:

On 05/01/2020 07:43, Diesel wrote:
David Fri,
03 Jan 2020 22:36:28 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

On 03/01/2020 21:46, Diesel wrote:
What of the post did you understand?

That I'm FAR better off with Apple macOS :-D

How so?

"The integration between applications on the
desktop, with each other and the OS services, and the integration with my
iOS devices, is a huge plus."

I couldn't phrase things any better than Snit!

Thanks, Snit! :-D

Snit's actually on point about this. Example for me, I use Windows,
however I do have an iPhone and last year purchased an Apple Watch 4
which BTW is an amazing device.

I'm glad you like your watch!

So, getting it working involved charging the watch and placing it near
the iPhone. It picked up and configured networking, applications,
configuration options as they were set on my iPhone and so forth.
I was impressed.

Now would I pay 3x the going rate for a Mac as compared to a PC for
that type of integration? Or even more since I build my own systems.

Would you pay 'big bucks' for something SIMILAR to an iMac?

This magical machine for example?
https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/p/su...%3aoverviewtab

You couldn't build one of those, just as you couldn't build an iMac. ;-)

Probably not, but the Apple watch is not much more expensive than the
other alternatives and it's the only one, currently, with an approved
ECG measuring capability, at least in USA.

However there is no denying that Apple has the integration between
devices down to a science, as long as the user is willing to fork over
the cash for that option and many do.

As in all things in life, one tends to get what one pays for. You cannot
have a new Rolls Royce for the price of a Mini.

Thanks for posting 'flatfish+++'

--
David

On 1/5/20 8:25 AM, flatfish+++ wrote:
On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 08:03:20 +0000, David
wrote:

On 05/01/2020 07:43, Diesel wrote:
David Fri,
03 Jan 2020 22:36:28 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

On 03/01/2020 21:46, Diesel wrote:
What of the post did you understand?

That I'm FAR better off with Apple macOS :-D

How so?

"The integration between applications on the
desktop, with each other and the OS services, and the integration with my
iOS devices, is a huge plus."

I couldn't phrase things any better than Snit!

Thanks, Snit! :-D

Snit's actually on point about this. Example for me, I use Windows,
however I do have an iPhone and last year purchased an Apple Watch 4
which BTW is an amazing device.

So, getting it working involved charging the watch and placing it near
the iPhone. It picked up and configured networking, applications,
configuration options as they were set on my iPhone and so forth.
I was impressed.

Now would I pay 3x the going rate for a Mac as compared to a PC for
that type of integration? Or even more since I build my own systems.

Probably not, but the Apple watch is not much more expensive than the
other alternatives and it's the only one, currently, with an approved
ECG measuring capability, at least in USA.

However there is no denying that Apple has the integration between
devices down to a science, as long as the user is willing to fork over
the cash for that option and many do.


Agree with all you wrote but will add the integration between devices is
not the only part of what I speak of. Even if you have no iPhone or iPod
or iPad or Apple Watch, even if you merely have a Mac, the integration
is a benefit.

I am NOT a programmer, and my scripting skills are pretty crappy, and
yet I can fairly easily make a system service that allows me to easily
look for a message by Message ID, or look up text in Google Translate,
or add a package to my package tracker from a tracking ID. And, yes, the
ever-popular PDF annotation which allows me to get a map or lesson plan
or (gasp) recipe and add quick annotations and send it to someone and /
or save it myself.

Not that these things cannot be done on Windows or Linux (they can) but
the integration built into macOS and most of the programs that run on it
make it easier.

It is what allowed me -- a non-programmer and crappy scripter -- to be
able to do what Marek wanted with VPNs (quit programs based on IP), and
allowed me to be able to do what Owl spoke of in terms of setting
Terminal background (and text) colors based on desktop images, and doing
his "challenge" of downloading all recipes from allrecipes.com.

I was able to get features of multiple programs and, essentially, pipe
them together to build my own workflows (very simple applications even).

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On 1/5/20 8:27 AM, Melzzzzz wrote:
On 2020-01-05, flatfish+++ wrote:
On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 08:03:20 +0000, David
wrote:

On 05/01/2020 07:43, Diesel wrote:
David Fri,
03 Jan 2020 22:36:28 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

On 03/01/2020 21:46, Diesel wrote:
What of the post did you understand?

That I'm FAR better off with Apple macOS :-D

How so?

"The integration between applications on the
desktop, with each other and the OS services, and the integration with my
iOS devices, is a huge plus."

I couldn't phrase things any better than Snit!

Thanks, Snit! :-D

Snit's actually on point about this. Example for me, I use Windows,
however I do have an iPhone and last year purchased an Apple Watch 4
which BTW is an amazing device.

So, getting it working involved charging the watch and placing it near
the iPhone. It picked up and configured networking, applications,
configuration options as they were set on my iPhone and so forth.
I was impressed.

Now would I pay 3x the going rate for a Mac as compared to a PC for
that type of integration? Or even more since I build my own systems.

Probably not, but the Apple watch is not much more expensive than the
other alternatives and it's the only one, currently, with an approved
ECG measuring capability, at least in USA.

However there is no denying that Apple has the integration between
devices down to a science, as long as the user is willing to fork over
the cash for that option and many do.

If Apple didn't have that it would be pointless. Their hardware their
software, what else?

If Apple had no hardware or software, or I would add online services, I
would not find much use for them. Sure.



--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On 1/5/20 8:18 AM, flatfish+++ wrote:
On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 07:27:28 -0000 (UTC), Diesel
wrote:

Joel
Sat, 04 Jan 2020
19:46:17 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

roach wrote:
On Sat, 04 Jan 2020 14:23:52 -0500, Joel
wrote:
nospam wrote:
In article , William
Poaster wrote:

Linux environment, the basics are still there. ... Android is
a Linux operating system because, at it's base, it uses the
standard Linux kernel and basic operating system.

only the base. the rest of android is not.

Reply after reply after reply, you still don't get it - even
though it's been explained clearly to you. Linux *IS JUST THE*
kernel of "desktop Linux" which is properly called GNU/Linux.
Android and Chrome OS are just as much what is correctly called
"Linux" as Ubuntu/ etc. are. Linux was never imagined to be a
complete implementation of Unix, that's where "GNU" and other
components come in. So, you could say that Android isn't Unix,
but not that it isn't Linux.

What does Linus Torvalds say about Android vs Linux?


I didn't ask him. I'm quite sure he would acknowledge that Linux
is a kernel, though, since that's what he designed it to be.


Que nospam informing us all that Linus would be using the wrong
definition to kernel. G


Linus talking about Chromebooks.
Interesting video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHFdoFKDuQA


Interesting video. Thanks. And I agree with him that ChromeBooks are a
key way for Linux to get to the desktop... and his other comments on
Flatpak are interesting, too.

Here is there site: https://flatpak.org

Not the exact same as what I have been saying but a lot of overlap.
Would like to learn more of what they mean by a "consistent application
environment".



--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On 1/4/20 11:56 PM, William Unruh wrote:
On 2020-01-05, AnonLinuxUser wrote:
On 1/4/2020 5:09 AM, Melzzzzz wrote:
On 2020-01-04, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 02/01/2020 18.34, nospam wrote:
In article , John Wesley Harding
wrote:

And, with mobile phones, Linux has taken over the world.

no it hasn't.

android is not a full linux distro. it's the linux kernel, with android
built on top of it. all apps are written to android apis, not linux.

It is just Linux with a different desktop :-P

Android is not GNU. Then again it is Linux.


There seems to be a division of opinions on all of this.
So, who would be the authority on this topic?
The creators of Android, which is google.
I'd go by what google has to say. I couldn't say it is or it isn't.

Fine, you can go with them, but that does not make them them right. They
admit it is the Linux kernel, which at least for me is the defining
characteristic of Linux, not the stuff on top of the kernel. They
certainly have a very different user GUI, but then so do KDE or Gnome,
or CUI, or .... all of which call themselves Linux.
But it is a discussion with extremely low stakes. And Google may have a
stake in not calling it Linux.


This is really more of a semantic battle than anything dealing with the
tech. I think all (or most) agree that Android uses the Linux kernel
(modified) and that desktop Linux distros such as Mint and Ubuntu and
Debian and PCLOS and the like use Linux PLUS A LOT MORE.

But depending on context, "Linux" can mean the kernel itself (the true
meaning of Linux) or it can be the distros (generally desktop distros)
such as the ones I listed. Context usually makes it clear, though if
clarification is needed it should be asked for.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On 05/01/2020 17:23, Snit wrote:
On 1/5/20 8:25 AM, flatfish+++ wrote:
On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 08:03:20 +0000, David
wrote:

On 05/01/2020 07:43, Diesel wrote:
David Fri,
03 Jan 2020 22:36:28 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

On 03/01/2020 21:46, Diesel wrote:
What of the post did you understand?

That I'm FAR better off with Apple macOS :-D

How so?

"The integration between applications on the
desktop, with each other and the OS services, and the integration
with my
iOS devices, is a huge plus."

I couldn't phrase things any better than Snit!

Thanks, Snit! :-D

Snit's actually on point about this. Example for me, I use Windows,
however I do have an iPhone and last year purchased an Apple Watch 4
which BTW is an amazing device.

So, getting it working involved charging the watch and placing it near
the iPhone. It picked up and configured networking, applications,
configuration options as they were set on my iPhone and so forth.
I was impressed.

Now would I pay 3x the going rate for a Mac as compared to a PC for
that type of integration? Or even more since I build my own systems.

Probably not, but the Apple watch is not much more expensive than the
other alternatives and it's the only one, currently, with an approved
ECG measuring capability, at least in USA.

However there is no denying that Apple has the integration between
devices down to a science, as long as the user is willing to fork over
the cash for that option and many do.


Agree with all you wrote but will add the integration between devices is
not the only part of what I speak of. Even if you have no iPhone or iPod
or iPad or Apple Watch, even if you merely have a Mac, the integration
is a benefit.

I am NOT a programmer, and my scripting skills are pretty crappy, and
yet I can fairly easily make a system service that allows me to easily
look for a message by Message ID, or look up text in Google Translate,
or add a package to my package tracker from a tracking ID. And, yes, the
ever-popular PDF annotation which allows me to get a map or lesson plan
or (gasp) recipe and add quick annotations and send it to someone and /
or save it myself.

Not that these things cannot be done on Windows or Linux (they can) but
the integration built into macOS and most of the programs that run on it
make it easier.

It is what allowed me -- a non-programmer and crappy scripter -- to be
able to do what Marek wanted with VPNs (quit programs based on IP), and
allowed me to be able to do what Owl spoke of in terms of setting
Terminal background (and text) colors based on desktop images, and doing
his "challenge" of downloading all recipes from allrecipes.com.

I was able to get features of multiple programs and, essentially, pipe
them together to build my own workflows (very simple applications even).

I'm uncertain why you couldn't find this, Snit:-

http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=157824546000

You may subscribe to 'alt.computer.workshop' should you so wish.

As moderator of the group, I've not actually banned anyone yet! ;-)

--
David

On 05/01/2020 17.21, nospam wrote:
In article , Carlos E.R.
wrote:

There seems to be a division of opinions on all of this.
So, who would be the authority on this topic?
The creators of Android, which is google.

They are not the authority.

they are for the products they create.

Nope. In terms of "what is Linux", they aren't.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 1/5/20 10:36 AM, David wrote:
On 05/01/2020 17:23, Snit wrote:
On 1/5/20 8:25 AM, flatfish+++ wrote:
On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 08:03:20 +0000, David
wrote:

On 05/01/2020 07:43, Diesel wrote:
David Fri,
03 Jan 2020 22:36:28 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

On 03/01/2020 21:46, Diesel wrote:
What of the post did you understand?

That I'm FAR better off with Apple macOS :-D

How so?

"The integration between applications on the
desktop, with each other and the OS services, and the integration
with my
iOS devices, is a huge plus."

I couldn't phrase things any better than Snit!

Thanks, Snit! :-D

Snit's actually on point about this. Example for me, I use Windows,
however I do have an iPhone and last year purchased an Apple Watch 4
which BTW is an amazing device.

So, getting it working involved charging the watch and placing it near
the iPhone. It picked up and configured networking, applications,
configuration options as they were set on my iPhone and so forth.
I was impressed.

Now would I pay 3x the going rate for a Mac as compared to a PC for
that type of integration? Or even more since I build my own systems.

Probably not, but the Apple watch is not much more expensive than the
other alternatives and it's the only one, currently, with an approved
ECG measuring capability, at least in USA.

However there is no denying that Apple has the integration between
devices down to a science, as long as the user is willing to fork over
the cash for that option and many do.


Agree with all you wrote but will add the integration between devices
is not the only part of what I speak of. Even if you have no iPhone or
iPod or iPad or Apple Watch, even if you merely have a Mac, the
integration is a benefit.

I am NOT a programmer, and my scripting skills are pretty crappy, and
yet I can fairly easily make a system service that allows me to easily
look for a message by Message ID, or look up text in Google Translate,
or add a package to my package tracker from a tracking ID. And, yes,
the ever-popular PDF annotation which allows me to get a map or lesson
plan or (gasp) recipe and add quick annotations and send it to someone
and / or save it myself.

Not that these things cannot be done on Windows or Linux (they can)
but the integration built into macOS and most of the programs that run
on it make it easier.

It is what allowed me -- a non-programmer and crappy scripter -- to be
able to do what Marek wanted with VPNs (quit programs based on IP),
and allowed me to be able to do what Owl spoke of in terms of setting
Terminal background (and text) colors based on desktop images, and
doing his "challenge" of downloading all recipes from allrecipes.com.

I was able to get features of multiple programs and, essentially, pipe
them together to build my own workflows (very simple applications even).

I'm uncertain why you couldn't find this, Snit:-

http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=157824546000

Hmmm, odd. Looking directly on Howard Knight it comes up, with this URL:

http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=ms...0 fx45.iad%3E

My script pointed me to:

http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&A=0&MSGI=%3CpphQF.237564$%D1.80913@fx 45.iad%3E

But it still works for most messages (or at least all three I just
tested). Will have to look into that.

[Brief looking, yeah, I see where my text parsing does not handle
Message IDs that do not include the @ symbol. I think I need to modify
it so I will copy just the ID (with or without the brackets). A shame...

See: I noted I was a crappy scripter.


You may subscribe to 'alt.computer.workshop' should you so wish.

As moderator of the group, I've not actually banned anyone yet! ;-)

Just subscribed. Cannot say for how long.


--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On 05/01/2020 17:49, Snit wrote:
On 1/5/20 10:36 AM, David wrote:
On 05/01/2020 17:23, Snit wrote:
On 1/5/20 8:25 AM, flatfish+++ wrote:
On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 08:03:20 +0000, David
wrote:

On 05/01/2020 07:43, Diesel wrote:
David Fri,
03 Jan 2020 22:36:28 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

On 03/01/2020 21:46, Diesel wrote:
What of the post did you understand?

That I'm FAR better off with Apple macOS :-D

How so?

"The integration between applications on the
desktop, with each other and the OS services, and the integration
with my
iOS devices, is a huge plus."

I couldn't phrase things any better than Snit!

Thanks, Snit! :-D

Snit's actually on point about this. Example for me, I use Windows,
however I do have an iPhone and last year purchased an Apple Watch 4
which BTW is an amazing device.

So, getting it working involved charging the watch and placing it near
the iPhone. It picked up and configured networking, applications,
configuration options as they were set on my iPhone and so forth.
I was impressed.

Now would I pay 3x the going rate for a Mac as compared to a PC for
that type of integration? Or even more since I build my own systems.

Probably not, but the Apple watch is not much more expensive than the
other alternatives and it's the only one, currently, with an approved
ECG measuring capability, at least in USA.

However there is no denying that Apple has the integration between
devices down to a science, as long as the user is willing to fork over
the cash for that option and many do.


Agree with all you wrote but will add the integration between devices
is not the only part of what I speak of. Even if you have no iPhone
or iPod or iPad or Apple Watch, even if you merely have a Mac, the
integration is a benefit.

I am NOT a programmer, and my scripting skills are pretty crappy, and
yet I can fairly easily make a system service that allows me to
easily look for a message by Message ID, or look up text in Google
Translate, or add a package to my package tracker from a tracking ID.
And, yes, the ever-popular PDF annotation which allows me to get a
map or lesson plan or (gasp) recipe and add quick annotations and
send it to someone and / or save it myself.

Not that these things cannot be done on Windows or Linux (they can)
but the integration built into macOS and most of the programs that
run on it make it easier.

It is what allowed me -- a non-programmer and crappy scripter -- to
be able to do what Marek wanted with VPNs (quit programs based on
IP), and allowed me to be able to do what Owl spoke of in terms of
setting Terminal background (and text) colors based on desktop
images, and doing his "challenge" of downloading all recipes from
allrecipes.com.

I was able to get features of multiple programs and, essentially,
pipe them together to build my own workflows (very simple
applications even).

I'm uncertain why you couldn't find this, Snit:-

http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=157824546000

Hmmm, odd. Looking directly on Howard Knight it comes up, with this URL:

http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=ms...0 fx45.iad%3E
http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&A=0&MSGI=%3CpphQF.237564$%D1.80913@fx 45.iad%3E

My script pointed me to:

http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&A=0&MSGI=%3CpphQF.237564$%D1.80913@fx 45.iad%3E

They're NEARLY the same - I've put them one above the other up there ^^^

But it still works for most messages (or at least all three I just
tested). Will have to look into that.

[Brief looking, yeah, I see where my text parsing does not handle
Message IDs that do not include the @ symbol. I think I need to modify
it so I will copy just the ID (with or without the brackets). A shame...

See: I noted I was a crappy scripter.

Perhaps you can conjure up a successor to HK!

You may subscribe to 'alt.computer.workshop' should you so wish.

As moderator of the group, I've not actually banned anyone yet! ;-)

Just subscribed. Cannot say for how long.

Welcome! :-D

On 05/01/2020 17:30, Snit wrote:
On 1/5/20 8:18 AM, flatfish+++ wrote:
On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 07:27:28 -0000 (UTC), Diesel
wrote:

Joel
Sat, 04 Jan 2020
19:46:17 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

roach wrote:
On Sat, 04 Jan 2020 14:23:52 -0500, Joel
wrote:
nospam wrote:
In article , William
Poaster wrote:

Linux environment, the basics are still there. ... Android is
a Linux operating system because, at it's base, it uses the
standard Linux kernel and basic operating system.

only the base. the rest of android is not.

Reply after reply after reply, you still don't get it - even
though it's been explained clearly to you.Â* Linux *IS JUST THE*
kernel of "desktop Linux" which is properly called GNU/Linux.
Android and Chrome OS are just as much what is correctly called
"Linux" as Ubuntu/ etc. are.Â* Linux was never imagined to be a
complete implementation of Unix, that's where "GNU" and other
components come in.Â* So, you could say that Android isn't Unix,
but not that it isn't Linux.

What does Linus Torvalds say about Android vs Linux?


I didn't ask him.Â* I'm quite sure he would acknowledge that Linux
is a kernel, though, since that's what he designed it to be.


Que nospam informing us all that Linus would be using the wrong
definition to kernel. G


Linus talking about Chromebooks.
Interesting video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHFdoFKDuQA


Interesting video. Thanks. And I agree with him that ChromeBooks are a
key way for Linux to get to the desktop... and his other comments on
Flatpak are interesting, too.

Here is there site: https://flatpak.org

Not the exact same as what I have been saying but a lot of overlap.
Would like to learn more of what they mean by a "consistent application
environment".

Do you run Linux on your Apple computer?

On 1/5/20 11:05 AM, David wrote:
On 05/01/2020 17:49, Snit wrote:
On 1/5/20 10:36 AM, David wrote:
On 05/01/2020 17:23, Snit wrote:
On 1/5/20 8:25 AM, flatfish+++ wrote:
On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 08:03:20 +0000, David
wrote:

On 05/01/2020 07:43, Diesel wrote:
David
Fri,
03 Jan 2020 22:36:28 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

On 03/01/2020 21:46, Diesel wrote:
What of the post did you understand?

That I'm FAR better off with Apple macOS :-D

How so?

"The integration between applications on the
desktop, with each other and the OS services, and the integration
with my
iOS devices, is a huge plus."

I couldn't phrase things any better than Snit!

Thanks, Snit! :-D

Snit's actually on point about this. Example for me, I use Windows,
however I do have an iPhone and last year purchased an Apple Watch 4
which BTW is an amazing device.

So, getting it working involved charging the watch and placing it near
the iPhone. It picked up and configured networking, applications,
configuration options as they were set on my iPhone and so forth.
I was impressed.

Now would I pay 3x the going rate for a Mac as compared to a PC for
that type of integration? Or even more since I build my own systems.

Probably not, but the Apple watch is not much more expensive than the
other alternatives and it's the only one, currently, with an approved
ECG measuring capability, at least in USA.

However there is no denying that Apple has the integration between
devices down to a science, as long as the user is willing to fork over
the cash for that option and many do.


Agree with all you wrote but will add the integration between
devices is not the only part of what I speak of. Even if you have no
iPhone or iPod or iPad or Apple Watch, even if you merely have a
Mac, the integration is a benefit.

I am NOT a programmer, and my scripting skills are pretty crappy,
and yet I can fairly easily make a system service that allows me to
easily look for a message by Message ID, or look up text in Google
Translate, or add a package to my package tracker from a tracking
ID. And, yes, the ever-popular PDF annotation which allows me to get
a map or lesson plan or (gasp) recipe and add quick annotations and
send it to someone and / or save it myself.

Not that these things cannot be done on Windows or Linux (they can)
but the integration built into macOS and most of the programs that
run on it make it easier.

It is what allowed me -- a non-programmer and crappy scripter -- to
be able to do what Marek wanted with VPNs (quit programs based on
IP), and allowed me to be able to do what Owl spoke of in terms of
setting Terminal background (and text) colors based on desktop
images, and doing his "challenge" of downloading all recipes from
allrecipes.com.

I was able to get features of multiple programs and, essentially,
pipe them together to build my own workflows (very simple
applications even).

I'm uncertain why you couldn't find this, Snit:-

http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=157824546000

Hmmm, odd. Looking directly on Howard Knight it comes up, with this URL:

http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=ms...0 fx45.iad%3E
http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&A=0&MSGI=%3CpphQF.237564$%D1.80913@fx 45.iad%3E

My script pointed me to:

http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&A=0&MSGI=%3CpphQF.237564$%D1.80913@fx 45.iad%3E


They're NEARLY the same - I've put them one above the other up there ^^^

Right... but not close enough to work.

But it still works for most messages (or at least all three I just
tested). Will have to look into that.

[Brief looking, yeah, I see where my text parsing does not handle
Message IDs that do not include the @ symbol. I think I need to modify
it so I will copy just the ID (with or without the brackets). A shame...

See: I noted I was a crappy scripter.

Perhaps you can conjure up a successor to HK!



You may subscribe to 'alt.computer.workshop' should you so wish.

As moderator of the group, I've not actually banned anyone yet! ;-)

Just subscribed. Cannot say for how long.

Welcome! :-D



--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On 1/5/20 11:09 AM, David wrote:
On 05/01/2020 17:30, Snit wrote:
On 1/5/20 8:18 AM, flatfish+++ wrote:
On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 07:27:28 -0000 (UTC), Diesel
wrote:

Joel
Sat, 04 Jan 2020
19:46:17 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

roach wrote:
On Sat, 04 Jan 2020 14:23:52 -0500, Joel
wrote:
nospam wrote:
In article , William
Poaster wrote:

Linux environment, the basics are still there. ... Android is
a Linux operating system because, at it's base, it uses the
standard Linux kernel and basic operating system.

only the base. the rest of android is not.

Reply after reply after reply, you still don't get it - even
though it's been explained clearly to you.Â* Linux *IS JUST THE*
kernel of "desktop Linux" which is properly called GNU/Linux.
Android and Chrome OS are just as much what is correctly called
"Linux" as Ubuntu/ etc. are.Â* Linux was never imagined to be a
complete implementation of Unix, that's where "GNU" and other
components come in.Â* So, you could say that Android isn't Unix,
but not that it isn't Linux.

What does Linus Torvalds say about Android vs Linux?


I didn't ask him.Â* I'm quite sure he would acknowledge that Linux
is a kernel, though, since that's what he designed it to be.


Que nospam informing us all that Linus would be using the wrong
definition to kernel. G


Linus talking about Chromebooks.
Interesting video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHFdoFKDuQA


Interesting video. Thanks. And I agree with him that ChromeBooks are a
key way for Linux to get to the desktop... and his other comments on
Flatpak are interesting, too.

Here is there site: https://flatpak.org

Not the exact same as what I have been saying but a lot of overlap.
Would like to learn more of what they mean by a "consistent
application environment".

Do you run Linux on your Apple computer?

I used to have a Mac which ran Linux full time... it was an older iMac
and the hard drive died. Ran Linux on an external drive and used it as
my media machine. Worked fairly well, including basic support for the
infrared remote (which is a good thing for a media machine). Now have a
newer old iMac and run macOS on it.

I do run Linux in a VM from time to time. Just downloaded the newest
Mint and am playing a bit. Trying it on VirtualBox (have not updated
Parallels where I used to run them). Still trying to get used to
VirtualBox before I do much more with the VMs themselves.


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Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On 05/01/2020 18:13, Snit wrote:
On 1/5/20 11:05 AM, David wrote:
On 05/01/2020 17:49, Snit wrote:
On 1/5/20 10:36 AM, David wrote:
On 05/01/2020 17:23, Snit wrote:
On 1/5/20 8:25 AM, flatfish+++ wrote:
On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 08:03:20 +0000, David
wrote:

On 05/01/2020 07:43, Diesel wrote:
David
Fri,
03 Jan 2020 22:36:28 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

On 03/01/2020 21:46, Diesel wrote:
What of the post did you understand?

That I'm FAR better off with Apple macOS :-D

How so?

"The integration between applications on the
desktop, with each other and the OS services, and the integration
with my
iOS devices, is a huge plus."

I couldn't phrase things any better than Snit!

Thanks, Snit! :-D

Snit's actually on point about this. Example for me, I use Windows,
however I do have an iPhone and last year purchased an Apple Watch 4
which BTW is an amazing device.

So, getting it working involved charging the watch and placing it
near
the iPhone. It picked up and configured networking, applications,
configuration options as they were set on my iPhone and so forth.
I was impressed.

Now would I pay 3x the going rate for a Mac as compared to a PC for
that type of integration? Or even more since I build my own systems.

Probably not, but the Apple watch is not much more expensive than the
other alternatives and it's the only one, currently, with an approved
ECG measuring capability, at least in USA.

However there is no denying that Apple has the integration between
devices down to a science, as long as the user is willing to fork
over
the cash for that option and many do.


Agree with all you wrote but will add the integration between
devices is not the only part of what I speak of. Even if you have
no iPhone or iPod or iPad or Apple Watch, even if you merely have a
Mac, the integration is a benefit.

I am NOT a programmer, and my scripting skills are pretty crappy,
and yet I can fairly easily make a system service that allows me to
easily look for a message by Message ID, or look up text in Google
Translate, or add a package to my package tracker from a tracking
ID. And, yes, the ever-popular PDF annotation which allows me to
get a map or lesson plan or (gasp) recipe and add quick annotations
and send it to someone and / or save it myself.

Not that these things cannot be done on Windows or Linux (they can)
but the integration built into macOS and most of the programs that
run on it make it easier.

It is what allowed me -- a non-programmer and crappy scripter -- to
be able to do what Marek wanted with VPNs (quit programs based on
IP), and allowed me to be able to do what Owl spoke of in terms of
setting Terminal background (and text) colors based on desktop
images, and doing his "challenge" of downloading all recipes from
allrecipes.com.

I was able to get features of multiple programs and, essentially,
pipe them together to build my own workflows (very simple
applications even).

I'm uncertain why you couldn't find this, Snit:-

http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=157824546000

Hmmm, odd. Looking directly on Howard Knight it comes up, with this URL:

http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=ms...0 fx45.iad%3E
http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&A=0&MSGI=%3CpphQF.237564$%D1.80913@fx 45.iad%3E

My script pointed me to:

http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&A=0&MSGI=%3CpphQF.237564$%D1.80913@fx 45.iad%3E



They're NEARLY the same - I've put them one above the other up there ^^^

Right... but not close enough to work.

That didn't show up as I had hoped.

https://imgur.com/BScY877

Sorry about that!

But it still works for most messages (or at least all three I just
tested). Will have to look into that.

[Brief looking, yeah, I see where my text parsing does not handle
Message IDs that do not include the @ symbol. I think I need to
modify it so I will copy just the ID (with or without the brackets).
A shame...

See: I noted I was a crappy scripter.

Perhaps you can conjure up a successor to HK!



You may subscribe to 'alt.computer.workshop' should you so wish.

As moderator of the group, I've not actually banned anyone yet! ;-)

Just subscribed. Cannot say for how long.

Welcome! :-D

On 05/01/2020 18:16, Snit wrote:
On 1/5/20 11:09 AM, David wrote:
On 05/01/2020 17:30, Snit wrote:
On 1/5/20 8:18 AM, flatfish+++ wrote:
On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 07:27:28 -0000 (UTC), Diesel
wrote:

Joel
Sat, 04 Jan 2020
19:46:17 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

roach wrote:
On Sat, 04 Jan 2020 14:23:52 -0500, Joel
wrote:
nospam wrote:
In article , William
Poaster wrote:

Linux environment, the basics are still there. ... Android is
a Linux operating system because, at it's base, it uses the
standard Linux kernel and basic operating system.

only the base. the rest of android is not.

Reply after reply after reply, you still don't get it - even
though it's been explained clearly to you.Â* Linux *IS JUST THE*
kernel of "desktop Linux" which is properly called GNU/Linux.
Android and Chrome OS are just as much what is correctly called
"Linux" as Ubuntu/ etc. are.Â* Linux was never imagined to be a
complete implementation of Unix, that's where "GNU" and other
components come in.Â* So, you could say that Android isn't Unix,
but not that it isn't Linux.

What does Linus Torvalds say about Android vs Linux?


I didn't ask him.Â* I'm quite sure he would acknowledge that Linux
is a kernel, though, since that's what he designed it to be.


Que nospam informing us all that Linus would be using the wrong
definition to kernel. G


Linus talking about Chromebooks.
Interesting video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHFdoFKDuQA


Interesting video. Thanks. And I agree with him that ChromeBooks are
a key way for Linux to get to the desktop... and his other comments
on Flatpak are interesting, too.

Here is there site: https://flatpak.org

Not the exact same as what I have been saying but a lot of overlap.
Would like to learn more of what they mean by a "consistent
application environment".

Do you run Linux on your Apple computer?

I used to have a Mac which ran Linux full time... it was an older iMac
and the hard drive died. Ran Linux on an external drive and used it as
my media machine. Worked fairly well, including basic support for the
infrared remote (which is a good thing for a media machine). Now have a
newer old iMac and run macOS on it.

OK - thanks.

I do run Linux in a VM from time to time. Just downloaded the newest
Mint and am playing a bit. Trying it on VirtualBox (have not updated
Parallels where I used to run them). Still trying to get used to
VirtualBox before I do much more with the VMs themselves.

How much does it cost to run a VM on an iMac?

Will you point me in the general direction to learn more, please?

--
David

On 1/5/20 11:19 AM, David wrote:
On 05/01/2020 18:13, Snit wrote:
On 1/5/20 11:05 AM, David wrote:
On 05/01/2020 17:49, Snit wrote:
On 1/5/20 10:36 AM, David wrote:
On 05/01/2020 17:23, Snit wrote:
On 1/5/20 8:25 AM, flatfish+++ wrote:
On Sun, 5 Jan 2020 08:03:20 +0000, David
wrote:

On 05/01/2020 07:43, Diesel wrote:
David
Fri,
03 Jan 2020 22:36:28 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

On 03/01/2020 21:46, Diesel wrote:
What of the post did you understand?

That I'm FAR better off with Apple macOS :-D

How so?

"The integration between applications on the
desktop, with each other and the OS services, and the
integration with my
iOS devices, is a huge plus."

I couldn't phrase things any better than Snit!

Thanks, Snit! :-D

Snit's actually on point about this. Example for me, I use Windows,
however I do have an iPhone and last year purchased an Apple Watch 4
which BTW is an amazing device.

So, getting it working involved charging the watch and placing it
near
the iPhone. It picked up and configured networking, applications,
configuration options as they were set on my iPhone and so forth.
I was impressed.

Now would I pay 3x the going rate for a Mac as compared to a PC for
that type of integration? Or even more since I build my own systems.

Probably not, but the Apple watch is not much more expensive than
the
other alternatives and it's the only one, currently, with an
approved
ECG measuring capability, at least in USA.

However there is no denying that Apple has the integration between
devices down to a science, as long as the user is willing to fork
over
the cash for that option and many do.


Agree with all you wrote but will add the integration between
devices is not the only part of what I speak of. Even if you have
no iPhone or iPod or iPad or Apple Watch, even if you merely have
a Mac, the integration is a benefit.

I am NOT a programmer, and my scripting skills are pretty crappy,
and yet I can fairly easily make a system service that allows me
to easily look for a message by Message ID, or look up text in
Google Translate, or add a package to my package tracker from a
tracking ID. And, yes, the ever-popular PDF annotation which
allows me to get a map or lesson plan or (gasp) recipe and add
quick annotations and send it to someone and / or save it myself.

Not that these things cannot be done on Windows or Linux (they
can) but the integration built into macOS and most of the programs
that run on it make it easier.

It is what allowed me -- a non-programmer and crappy scripter --
to be able to do what Marek wanted with VPNs (quit programs based
on IP), and allowed me to be able to do what Owl spoke of in terms
of setting Terminal background (and text) colors based on desktop
images, and doing his "challenge" of downloading all recipes from
allrecipes.com.

I was able to get features of multiple programs and, essentially,
pipe them together to build my own workflows (very simple
applications even).

I'm uncertain why you couldn't find this, Snit:-

http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=157824546000

Hmmm, odd. Looking directly on Howard Knight it comes up, with this
URL:

http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=ms...0 fx45.iad%3E
http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&A=0&MSGI=%3CpphQF.237564$%D1.80913@fx 45.iad%3E

My script pointed me to:

http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&A=0&MSGI=%3CpphQF.237564$%D1.80913@fx 45.iad%3E




They're NEARLY the same - I've put them one above the other up there ^^^

Right... but not close enough to work.

That didn't show up as I had hoped.

https://imgur.com/BScY877

Sorry about that!

No problem. Already had done that comparison. Will fiddle with the
script later to see if I can improve it. The key issue is the Message ID
itself, which should be the top one listed here but comes out as the second:

%3CpphQF.237564%24%25d1.80913%40fx45.iad%3E
%3E

Will make it so I have to select one of the following:

Message-ID:



But not any other text that has the ID. If I get real fancy might even
look for a colon and remove all text before that.

....


--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.