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  #331  
Old January 10th 20, 05:42 AM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.os.linux,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
Snit[_2_]
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On 1/9/20 9:23 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Snit
wrote:

oh, another thing, you could move or rename the active system folder,
even after booting from it.


Yup. And even now you can rename files and things like Open Recent still
works just fine. I remember being told in COLA that such things were
impossible... and even when I showed a video of it I was told I must be
forging it.


yep. it's quite amusing to change the name of an open file and watch
the title bar in the app change.


Right. Or to not have it be open and then go to the Open Recent dialog.
And more. Had a debate with "Nobody" over it so made this video:

https://youtu.be/ulPJmuxQX8s

And also with Owl:

https://youtu.be/vS9ORbixIt0

OK, a bit more contentious than perhaps it could have been, but it was
in response to his nonsense.

Oh, and where Owl tried to replicate this basic functioning on Linux...
it was kind funny:

http://youtu.be/W15g0TwA_E0



lemmings, a very popular and fun game from around 1985 or so, was one
of the various apps used to test compatibility.

these days, it can be played in a browser...


I still sometimes play Risk at one of these two sites:

http://jamesfriend.com.au/pce-js/pce-js-apps/
https://archive.org/details/mac_MacOS_7.0.1_compilation


i meant *just* lemmings in a browser, without macos or any other os.

here's a few that come up in a search:
https://www.hmilch.net/h/lemmings.html
https://www.elizium.nu/scripts/lemmings/
http://www.bombsite.org


Cool. Will have to play. I *think* the first place I saw Lemmings was on
the Amiga... but liked when it was on the GS. LemminGS. Ha!

Also used them to show my kids (12 and 14) how old computers worked.
They figured them out pretty easily, though the both were shocked you
had to hold the mouse down to keep menus visible,


that was expected back then.

someone from the past would be equally shocked that now the menu stays
down.


I remember a study called "Of Mice and Menus" where they looked at the
efficiency of different models.

and one was confused
by no back button in the Finder.


there shouldn't be a back button in the finder. it's supposed to be
spatial, not a glorified browser.


I can buy that... but they were still surprised.

Both also had some issues finding
programs, but once they got used to the idea of no dock they did fairly
well.


they're wherever you put them, exactly how it should be.


They did not put them anywhere -- they used the online virtual machine I
pointed them to.


--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
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  #332  
Old January 10th 20, 05:42 AM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.os.linux,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
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On 1/9/20 9:20 PM, Snit wrote:

On 1/9/20 9:11 PM, mGhost wrote:
On 2020-01-10, Snit wrote:


What you ran from:
-------
It is interesting, mGhost, how you jumped into discussions with
Carroll, took his side even though he never showed ANY evidence of
his accusations, used key phrases as he does (your whole left hand
/ right hand thing), and now are posting to groups outside of COLA.
Carroll does this a lot, and does not post with his "common"
account, as he plays such games -- this pattern has repeated many
times. While it is not 100% proof you are his sock, given the games
he has played, and the games and trolling you are engaged in
tonight, it certainly makes you seem suspicious.

Can you explain why you would engage in such irrational and
clearly unhinged behavior?


A simple "no" would have done. You cannot explain why you are playing
such clearly absurd games -- spewing such vile attacks (really just
presenting your own sexual fantasies) and then trying to "play nice"
when you are not given responses to all your posts. Just like Carroll.
-------

why don't you speak of technology?


I have. Repeatedly. Even posted multiple tech videos in the last few
days, some in response to people as they asked questions. Meanwhile you
engage in insults, troll, throw tantrums, and run and snip -- much as
Carroll does. Why do you run from the above question?

It is quite predictable how Carroll would respond to such questions. See
if you respond otherwise. Somehow I bet not.


And mGhost responded much as Carroll does. Interesting.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
  #333  
Old January 10th 20, 05:50 AM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.os.linux,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
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On 2020-01-10, Snit wrote:

why not speak of technology? why do you attack? Just use whatever you
like. Honestly both are great. You like fingers. Some like toes.
Everyone is carroll. Oldest gag on usenet.

those that name call just show their own insecurities, snit. so low.

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  #334  
Old January 10th 20, 10:08 AM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.os.linux,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Daniel60
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Cybe R. Wizard wrote on 03/01/20 13:40:
On Thu, 2 Jan 2020 18:12:11 +0000
😉 Good Guy 😉 wrote:

On 02/01/2020 16:25, John Wesley Harding wrote:

I suspect you're too stupid to use it.


Or he could be intelligent enough NOT to waste time on something when
he can get the work done quickly on Windows because that is what 90%
of the global population use.

Speaking of not being in the top tier of intelligence, has it occurred
to you that only 47% of the world's population even has access to a
computer? How, then, can 90% use Windows on their non-existant
computers?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...rs-study-says/

SHEESH!

Good Guy was using a Windows powered calculator, maybe!

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  #335  
Old January 10th 20, 10:32 AM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.os.linux,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
David
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Default Why Linux Sucks - 2020 Version

On 10/01/2020 04:42, Snit wrote:
On 1/9/20 9:23 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Snit
wrote:

oh, another thing, you could move or rename the active system folder,
even after booting from it.

Yup. And even now you can rename files and things like Open Recent still
works just fine. I remember being told in COLA that such things were
impossible... and even when I showed a video of it I was told I must be
forging it.


yep. it's quite amusing to change the name of an open file and watch
the title bar in the app change.


Right. Or to not have it be open and then go to the Open Recent dialog.
And more. Had a debate with "Nobody" over it so made this video:

https://youtu.be/ulPJmuxQX8s

And also with Owl:

https://youtu.be/vS9ORbixIt0

OK, a bit more contentious than perhaps it could have been, but it was
in response to his nonsense.

Oh, and where Owl tried to replicate this basic functioning on Linux...
it was kind funny:

http://youtu.be/W15g0TwA_E0



lemmings, a very popular and fun game from around 1985 or so, was one
of the various apps used to test compatibility.

these days, it can be played in a browser...

I still sometimes play Risk at one of these two sites:

http://jamesfriend.com.au/pce-js/pce-js-apps/
https://archive.org/details/mac_MacOS_7.0.1_compilation


i meant *just* lemmings in a browser, without macos or any other os.

here's a few that come up in a search:
https://www.hmilch.net/h/lemmings.html
https://www.elizium.nu/scripts/lemmings/
http://www.bombsite.org


Cool. Will have to play. I *think* the first place I saw Lemmings was on
the Amiga... but liked when it was on the GS. LemminGS. Ha!

Also used them to show my kids (12 and 14) how old computers worked.
They figured them out pretty easily, though the both were shocked you
had to hold the mouse down to keep menus visible,


that was expected back then.

someone from the past would be equally shocked that now the menu stays
down.


I remember a study called "Of Mice and Menus" where they looked at the
efficiency of different models.

and one was confused
by no back button in the Finder.


there shouldn't be a back button in the finder. it's supposed to be
spatial, not a glorified browser.


I can buy that... but they were still surprised.

Both also had some issues finding
programs, but once they got used to the idea of no dock they did fairly
well.


they're wherever you put them, exactly how it should be.


They did not put them anywhere -- they used the online virtual machine I
pointed them to.


I'm impressed that you've managed to have a civil conversation with
'nospam'. Have you had previous interaction with him?

I've quite enjoyed exploring at all the links! :-)

--
David

  #336  
Old January 10th 20, 04:22 PM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.os.linux,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
Snit[_2_]
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On 1/9/20 9:20 PM, Snit wrote:

On 1/9/20 9:11 PM, mGhost wrote:
On 2020-01-10, Snit wrote:


What you ran from:
-------
It is interesting, mGhost, how you jumped into discussions with
Carroll, took his side even though he never showed ANY evidence
of his accusations, used key phrases as he does (your whole left
hand / right hand thing), and now are posting to groups outside
of COLA. Carroll does this a lot, and does not post with his
"common" account, as he plays such games -- this pattern has
repeated many times. While it is not 100% proof you are his sock,
given the games he has played, and the games and trolling you are
engaged in tonight, it certainly makes you seem suspicious.

Can you explain why you would engage in such irrational and
clearly unhinged behavior?


A simple "no" would have done. You cannot explain why you are
playing such clearly absurd games -- spewing such vile attacks
(really just presenting your own sexual fantasies) and then trying to
"play nice" when you are not given responses to all your posts. Just
like Carroll.
-------

why don't you speak of technology?


I have. Repeatedly. Even posted multiple tech videos in the last few
days, some in response to people as they asked questions. Meanwhile
you engage in insults, troll, throw tantrums, and run and snip --
much as Carroll does. Why do you run from the above question?

It is quite predictable how Carroll would respond to such questions.
See if you respond otherwise. Somehow I bet not.


And mGhost responded much as Carroll does. Interesting.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
  #337  
Old January 10th 20, 04:36 PM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.os.linux,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
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On 1/10/20 2:32 AM, David wrote:
On 10/01/2020 04:42, Snit wrote:
On 1/9/20 9:23 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Snit
wrote:

oh, another thing, you could move or rename the active system folder,
even after booting from it.

Yup. And even now you can rename files and things like Open Recent
still
works just fine. I remember being told in COLA that such things were
impossible... and even when I showed a video of it I was told I must be
forging it.

yep. it's quite amusing to change the name of an open file and watch
the title bar in the app change.


Right. Or to not have it be open and then go to the Open Recent
dialog. And more. Had a debate with "Nobody" over it so made this video:

https://youtu.be/ulPJmuxQX8s

And also with Owl:

https://youtu.be/vS9ORbixIt0

OK, a bit more contentious than perhaps it could have been, but it was
in response to his nonsense.

Oh, and where Owl tried to replicate this basic functioning on
Linux... it was kind funny:

http://youtu.be/W15g0TwA_E0



lemmings, a very popular and fun game from around 1985 or so, was one
of the various apps used to test compatibility.

these days, it can be played in a browser...

I still sometimes play Risk at one of these two sites:

http://jamesfriend.com.au/pce-js/pce-js-apps/
https://archive.org/details/mac_MacOS_7.0.1_compilation

i meant *just* lemmings in a browser, without macos or any other os.

here's a few that come up in a search:
https://www.hmilch.net/h/lemmings.html
https://www.elizium.nu/scripts/lemmings/
http://www.bombsite.org


Cool. Will have to play. I *think* the first place I saw Lemmings was
on the Amiga... but liked when it was on the GS. LemminGS. Ha!

Also used them to show my kids (12 and 14) how old computers worked.
They figured them out pretty easily, though the both were shocked you
had to hold the mouse down to keep menus visible,

that was expected back then.

someone from the past would be equally shocked that now the menu stays
down.


I remember a study called "Of Mice and Menus" where they looked at the
efficiency of different models.

and one was confused
by no back button in the Finder.

there shouldn't be a back button in the finder. it's supposed to be
spatial, not a glorified browser.


I can buy that... but they were still surprised.

Both also had some issues finding
programs, but once they got used to the idea of no dock they did fairly
well.

they're wherever you put them, exactly how it should be.


They did not put them anywhere -- they used the online virtual machine
I pointed them to.


I'm impressed that you've managed to have a civil conversation with
'nospam'. Have you had previous interaction with him?


I have. If I recall correctly some civil and others not as much, but I
do not really keep track.

I've quite enjoyed exploring at all the links! :-)


Looking at some of my videos it is clear I made them while in rather
contentious discussions.

I find it amazing how many (though certainly not all) Linux "advocates"
find it hard to understand the possibility of there existing features on
other solutions that they do not have on Linux. On the Mac it is the
norm that you can rename and move files around a drive and the file will
still show up in "Recent Items" menus and the like (as shown in the
videos). This is a part of the nature of how files work with the file
system and any program can have this functionality basically for "free"
-- a developer just has to use the standard file hooks (or whatever...
again, I am not a programmer). There are SOME programs which do not do
this -- most notably Adobe programs (such as Photoshop, but also others)
and many text editors (BBEdit and the like, perhaps tied to programmers
referencing paths in programs... not sure). But the norm on the Mac is
for this to "just work".

When I discussed this with Linux folks in COLA they could not believe
it. It was "magic" to them. When I showed them videos they insisted they
must be forged... no OS could possibly do what macOS was doing!

Then they got mad at me... which I find odd. There are things macOS does
not do as well as the competition... many things, really. It is not a
good gaming system, for example, and the Linux command line tends to be
a LOT more robust (at least "out of the box"). For years GNOME and its
derivatives had window "snapping" where it was easy to line up windows
and macOS did not (Apple *finally* added that). Hell, there was a time
you could not resize macOS windows from anywhere but the bottom right...
and even now they have menus only at the top, which made more sense when
we had smaller screens, and still offers SOME benefits, but also has
downsides. I like macOS but I do not get having one's ego tied to any
OS... they each have pros and cons. No harm in speaking of them and
understanding them. Or even in disagreeing in what is good or bad.


--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
  #338  
Old January 10th 20, 05:33 PM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.os.linux,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
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On 2020-01-10, David wrote:
On 10/01/2020 04:42, Snit wrote:
I'm impressed that you've managed to have a civil conversation with
'nospam'. Have you had previous interaction with him?

I've quite enjoyed exploring at all the links! :-)


yeah, right mr right hand... ha ha ha ha

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  #339  
Old January 10th 20, 05:34 PM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.os.linux,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
mGhost[_2_]
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Default Why Linux Sucks - 2020 Version

On 2020-01-10, Snit wrote:
And mGhost responded much as Carroll does. Interesting.

Your left hand went rogue.

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  #340  
Old January 10th 20, 06:03 PM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.os.linux,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
David
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On 10/01/2020 15:36, Snit wrote:
On 1/10/20 2:32 AM, David wrote:
On 10/01/2020 04:42, Snit wrote:
On 1/9/20 9:23 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Snit
wrote:

oh, another thing, you could move or rename the active system folder,
even after booting from it.

Yup. And even now you can rename files and things like Open Recent
still
works just fine. I remember being told in COLA that such things were
impossible... and even when I showed a video of it I was told I
must be
forging it.

yep. it's quite amusing to change the name of an open file and watch
the title bar in the app change.

Right. Or to not have it be open and then go to the Open Recent
dialog. And more. Had a debate with "Nobody" over it so made this video:

https://youtu.be/ulPJmuxQX8s

And also with Owl:

https://youtu.be/vS9ORbixIt0

OK, a bit more contentious than perhaps it could have been, but it
was in response to his nonsense.

Oh, and where Owl tried to replicate this basic functioning on
Linux... it was kind funny:

http://youtu.be/W15g0TwA_E0



lemmings, a very popular and fun game from around 1985 or so, was one
of the various apps used to test compatibility.

these days, it can be played in a browser...

I still sometimes play Risk at one of these two sites:

http://jamesfriend.com.au/pce-js/pce-js-apps/
https://archive.org/details/mac_MacOS_7.0.1_compilation

i meant *just* lemmings in a browser, without macos or any other os.

here's a few that come up in a search:
https://www.hmilch.net/h/lemmings.html
https://www.elizium.nu/scripts/lemmings/
http://www.bombsite.org

Cool. Will have to play. I *think* the first place I saw Lemmings was
on the Amiga... but liked when it was on the GS. LemminGS. Ha!

Also used them to show my kids (12 and 14) how old computers worked.
They figured them out pretty easily, though the both were shocked you
had to hold the mouse down to keep menus visible,

that was expected back then.

someone from the past would be equally shocked that now the menu stays
down.

I remember a study called "Of Mice and Menus" where they looked at
the efficiency of different models.

and one was confused
by no back button in the Finder.

there shouldn't be a back button in the finder. it's supposed to be
spatial, not a glorified browser.

I can buy that... but they were still surprised.

Both also had some issues finding
programs, but once they got used to the idea of no dock they did
fairly
well.

they're wherever you put them, exactly how it should be.

They did not put them anywhere -- they used the online virtual
machine I pointed them to.


I'm impressed that you've managed to have a civil conversation with
'nospam'. Have you had previous interaction with him?


I have. If I recall correctly some civil and others not as much, but I
do not really keep track.


Thanks. It's not important; I just can't make my mind up about him.
Either his knowledge is outstanding or, as Diesel claims, 'nospam' is
simple very good at using Google!

I've quite enjoyed exploring at all the links! :-)


Looking at some of my videos it is clear I made them while in rather
contentious discussions.


Yes! ;-) It's better when you speak a little slower!

I find it amazing how many (though certainly not all) Linux "advocates"
find it hard to understand the possibility of there existing features on
other solutions that they do not have on Linux. On the Mac it is the
norm that you can rename and move files around a drive and the file will
still show up in "Recent Items" menus and the like (as shown in the
videos). This is a part of the nature of how files work with the file
system and any program can have this functionality basically for "free"
-- a developer just has to use the standard file hooks (or whatever...
again, I am not a programmer). There are SOME programs which do not do
this -- most notably Adobe programs (such as Photoshop, but also others)
and many text editors (BBEdit and the like, perhaps tied to programmers
referencing paths in programs... not sure). But the norm on the Mac is
for this to "just work".

When I discussed this with Linux folks in COLA they could not believe
it. It was "magic" to them. When I showed them videos they insisted they
must be forged... no OS could possibly do what macOS was doing!


I suspect many were surprised by your professionalism.

Then they got mad at me... which I find odd. There are things macOS does
not do as well as the competition... many things, really. It is not a
good gaming system, for example, and the Linux command line tends to be
a LOT more robust (at least "out of the box"). For years GNOME and its
derivatives had window "snapping" where it was easy to line up windows
and macOS did not (Apple *finally* added that). Hell, there was a time
you could not resize macOS windows from anywhere but the bottom right...
and even now they have menus only at the top, which made more sense when
we had smaller screens, and still offers SOME benefits, but also has
downsides. I like macOS but I do not get having one's ego tied to any
OS... they each have pros and cons. No harm in speaking of them and
understanding them. Or even in disagreeing in what is good or bad.


I, too, love my iMac! :-D

Truth be told, ANY device which provides access to the Internet is a joy
for me!

D.

  #341  
Old January 10th 20, 06:29 PM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.os.linux,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
Snit[_2_]
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Default Why Linux Sucks - 2020 Version

On 1/10/20 10:03 AM, David wrote:
On 10/01/2020 15:36, Snit wrote:
On 1/10/20 2:32 AM, David wrote:
On 10/01/2020 04:42, Snit wrote:
On 1/9/20 9:23 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Snit
wrote:

oh, another thing, you could move or rename the active system
folder,
even after booting from it.

Yup. And even now you can rename files and things like Open Recent
still
works just fine. I remember being told in COLA that such things were
impossible... and even when I showed a video of it I was told I
must be
forging it.

yep. it's quite amusing to change the name of an open file and watch
the title bar in the app change.

Right. Or to not have it be open and then go to the Open Recent
dialog. And more. Had a debate with "Nobody" over it so made this
video:

https://youtu.be/ulPJmuxQX8s

And also with Owl:

https://youtu.be/vS9ORbixIt0

OK, a bit more contentious than perhaps it could have been, but it
was in response to his nonsense.

Oh, and where Owl tried to replicate this basic functioning on
Linux... it was kind funny:

http://youtu.be/W15g0TwA_E0



lemmings, a very popular and fun game from around 1985 or so, was
one
of the various apps used to test compatibility.

these days, it can be played in a browser...

I still sometimes play Risk at one of these two sites:

http://jamesfriend.com.au/pce-js/pce-js-apps/
https://archive.org/details/mac_MacOS_7.0.1_compilation

i meant *just* lemmings in a browser, without macos or any other os.

here's a few that come up in a search:
https://www.hmilch.net/h/lemmings.html
https://www.elizium.nu/scripts/lemmings/
http://www.bombsite.org

Cool. Will have to play. I *think* the first place I saw Lemmings
was on the Amiga... but liked when it was on the GS. LemminGS. Ha!

Also used them to show my kids (12 and 14) how old computers worked.
They figured them out pretty easily, though the both were shocked you
had to hold the mouse down to keep menus visible,

that was expected back then.

someone from the past would be equally shocked that now the menu stays
down.

I remember a study called "Of Mice and Menus" where they looked at
the efficiency of different models.

and one was confused
by no back button in the Finder.

there shouldn't be a back button in the finder. it's supposed to be
spatial, not a glorified browser.

I can buy that... but they were still surprised.

Both also had some issues finding
programs, but once they got used to the idea of no dock they did
fairly
well.

they're wherever you put them, exactly how it should be.

They did not put them anywhere -- they used the online virtual
machine I pointed them to.

I'm impressed that you've managed to have a civil conversation with
'nospam'. Have you had previous interaction with him?


I have. If I recall correctly some civil and others not as much, but I
do not really keep track.


Thanks. It's not important; I just can't make my mind up about him.
Either his knowledge is outstanding or, as Diesel claims, 'nospam' is
simple very good at using Google!

I've quite enjoyed exploring at all the links! :-)


Looking at some of my videos it is clear I made them while in rather
contentious discussions.


Yes! ;-)* It's better* when you speak a little slower!


I have two channels... one I keep a bit more professional. Have posted
some to the "wrong" channels. Such is life.

I find it amazing how many (though certainly not all) Linux
"advocates" find it hard to understand the possibility of there
existing features on other solutions that they do not have on Linux.
On the Mac it is the norm that you can rename and move files around a
drive and the file will still show up in "Recent Items" menus and the
like (as shown in the videos). This is a part of the nature of how
files work with the file system and any program can have this
functionality basically for "free" -- a developer just has to use the
standard file hooks (or whatever... again, I am not a programmer).
There are SOME programs which do not do this -- most notably Adobe
programs (such as Photoshop, but also others) and many text editors
(BBEdit and the like, perhaps tied to programmers referencing paths in
programs... not sure). But the norm on the Mac is for this to "just
work".

When I discussed this with Linux folks in COLA they could not believe
it. It was "magic" to them. When I showed them videos they insisted
they must be forged... no OS could possibly do what macOS was doing!


I suspect many were surprised by your professionalism.


I really think many get tied up in the products they like. If they like
Linux and you point out a weakness they take it as a personal attack,
EVEN IF you post it with disclaimer about how it is fine they use it and
it has benefits, etc. To some extent this is true of some Mac and
Windows users, but I see it a LOT more with Linux "advocates".

Then they got mad at me... which I find odd. There are things macOS
does not do as well as the competition... many things, really. It is
not a good gaming system, for example, and the Linux command line
tends to be a LOT more robust (at least "out of the box"). For years
GNOME and its derivatives had window "snapping" where it was easy to
line up windows and macOS did not (Apple *finally* added that). Hell,
there was a time you could not resize macOS windows from anywhere but
the bottom right... and even now they have menus only at the top,
which made more sense when we had smaller screens, and still offers
SOME benefits, but also has downsides. I like macOS but I do not get
having one's ego tied to any OS... they each have pros and cons. No
harm in speaking of them and understanding them. Or even in
disagreeing in what is good or bad.


I, too, love my iMac! :-D

Truth be told, ANY device which provides access to the Internet is a joy
for me!


We recently got ChromeBooks -- they are cheaper and get you on the 'net.
They *also* pop up ads. Arg!


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somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
  #342  
Old January 10th 20, 07:25 PM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.os.linux,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
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On 2020-01-10, Snit wrote:
On 1/10/20 10:03 AM, David wrote:
On 10/01/2020 15:36, Snit wrote:
On 1/10/20 2:32 AM, David wrote:
On 10/01/2020 04:42, Snit wrote:
On 1/9/20 9:23 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Snit
wrote:

oh, another thing, you could move or rename the active system
folder,
even after booting from it.

Yup. And even now you can rename files and things like Open Recent
still
works just fine. I remember being told in COLA that such things were
impossible... and even when I showed a video of it I was told I
must be
forging it.

yep. it's quite amusing to change the name of an open file and watch
the title bar in the app change.

Right. Or to not have it be open and then go to the Open Recent
dialog. And more. Had a debate with "Nobody" over it so made this
video:

https://youtu.be/ulPJmuxQX8s

And also with Owl:

https://youtu.be/vS9ORbixIt0

OK, a bit more contentious than perhaps it could have been, but it
was in response to his nonsense.

Oh, and where Owl tried to replicate this basic functioning on
Linux... it was kind funny:

http://youtu.be/W15g0TwA_E0



lemmings, a very popular and fun game from around 1985 or so, was
one
of the various apps used to test compatibility.

these days, it can be played in a browser...

I still sometimes play Risk at one of these two sites:

http://jamesfriend.com.au/pce-js/pce-js-apps/
https://archive.org/details/mac_MacOS_7.0.1_compilation

i meant *just* lemmings in a browser, without macos or any other os.

here's a few that come up in a search:
https://www.hmilch.net/h/lemmings.html
https://www.elizium.nu/scripts/lemmings/
http://www.bombsite.org

Cool. Will have to play. I *think* the first place I saw Lemmings
was on the Amiga... but liked when it was on the GS. LemminGS. Ha!

Also used them to show my kids (12 and 14) how old computers worked.
They figured them out pretty easily, though the both were shocked you
had to hold the mouse down to keep menus visible,

that was expected back then.

someone from the past would be equally shocked that now the menu stays
down.

I remember a study called "Of Mice and Menus" where they looked at
the efficiency of different models.

and one was confused
by no back button in the Finder.

there shouldn't be a back button in the finder. it's supposed to be
spatial, not a glorified browser.

I can buy that... but they were still surprised.

Both also had some issues finding
programs, but once they got used to the idea of no dock they did
fairly
well.

they're wherever you put them, exactly how it should be.

They did not put them anywhere -- they used the online virtual
machine I pointed them to.

I'm impressed that you've managed to have a civil conversation with
'nospam'. Have you had previous interaction with him?

I have. If I recall correctly some civil and others not as much, but I
do not really keep track.


Thanks. It's not important; I just can't make my mind up about him.
Either his knowledge is outstanding or, as Diesel claims, 'nospam' is
simple very good at using Google!

I've quite enjoyed exploring at all the links! :-)

Looking at some of my videos it is clear I made them while in rather
contentious discussions.


Yes! ;-)* It's better* when you speak a little slower!


I have two channels... one I keep a bit more professional. Have posted
some to the "wrong" channels. Such is life.

I find it amazing how many (though certainly not all) Linux
"advocates" find it hard to understand the possibility of there
existing features on other solutions that they do not have on Linux.
On the Mac it is the norm that you can rename and move files around a
drive and the file will still show up in "Recent Items" menus and the
like (as shown in the videos). This is a part of the nature of how
files work with the file system and any program can have this
functionality basically for "free" -- a developer just has to use the
standard file hooks (or whatever... again, I am not a programmer).
There are SOME programs which do not do this -- most notably Adobe
programs (such as Photoshop, but also others) and many text editors
(BBEdit and the like, perhaps tied to programmers referencing paths in
programs... not sure). But the norm on the Mac is for this to "just
work".

When I discussed this with Linux folks in COLA they could not believe
it. It was "magic" to them. When I showed them videos they insisted
they must be forged... no OS could possibly do what macOS was doing!


I suspect many were surprised by your professionalism.


I really think many get tied up in the products they like. If they like
Linux and you point out a weakness they take it as a personal attack,
EVEN IF you post it with disclaimer about how it is fine they use it and
it has benefits, etc. To some extent this is true of some Mac and
Windows users, but I see it a LOT more with Linux "advocates".

Then they got mad at me... which I find odd. There are things macOS
does not do as well as the competition... many things, really. It is
not a good gaming system, for example, and the Linux command line
tends to be a LOT more robust (at least "out of the box"). For years
GNOME and its derivatives had window "snapping" where it was easy to
line up windows and macOS did not (Apple *finally* added that). Hell,
there was a time you could not resize macOS windows from anywhere but
the bottom right... and even now they have menus only at the top,
which made more sense when we had smaller screens, and still offers
SOME benefits, but also has downsides. I like macOS but I do not get
having one's ego tied to any OS... they each have pros and cons. No
harm in speaking of them and understanding them. Or even in
disagreeing in what is good or bad.


I, too, love my iMac! :-D

Truth be told, ANY device which provides access to the Internet is a joy
for me!


We recently got ChromeBooks -- they are cheaper and get you on the 'net.
They *also* pop up ads. Arg!


Do post your retarded videos for all of us to have a good laugh.

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  #343  
Old January 10th 20, 08:10 PM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.os.linux,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
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Default Why Linux Sucks - 2020 Version

In article , Snit
wrote:

I find it amazing how many (though certainly not all) Linux "advocates"
find it hard to understand the possibility of there existing features on
other solutions that they do not have on Linux. On the Mac it is the
norm that you can rename and move files around a drive and the file will
still show up in "Recent Items" menus and the like (as shown in the
videos). This is a part of the nature of how files work with the file
system and any program can have this functionality basically for "free"
-- a developer just has to use the standard file hooks (or whatever...
again, I am not a programmer). There are SOME programs which do not do
this -- most notably Adobe programs (such as Photoshop, but also others)
and many text editors (BBEdit and the like, perhaps tied to programmers
referencing paths in programs... not sure). But the norm on the Mac is
for this to "just work".


in classic mac os, files and folders were referenced by a file and
folder id. the name or path to it didn't matter and could change, even
while files were open, normally without problems. however, as with
everything, there are some exceptions.

mac os x, being based on unix, is highly reliant on path names, which
changed a lot of how things worked internally. a lot of that has been
resolved to where things mostly work the way they did before as far as
the user is concerned, but not everything.

photoshop is built on a cross-platform framework adobe wrote and is
likely the reason for anything deviating from the norm.

bbedit has no issues whatsoever with moving and renaming open files.

When I discussed this with Linux folks in COLA they could not believe
it. It was "magic" to them. When I showed them videos they insisted they
must be forged... no OS could possibly do what macOS was doing!


a lot of people are unfamiliar with anything other than what they use
on a regular basis and can't imagine things being any different.

Then they got mad at me... which I find odd. There are things macOS does
not do as well as the competition... many things, really. It is not a
good gaming system, for example,


it can be, but gamers don't buy macs so game developers don't usually
bother writing for mac, although there are exceptions.

ios, on the other hand, is the world's largest gaming platform.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/...apple-iphone-r
eigns-top-device-playing-video-games/3174546002/
By the numbers, Apple's iPhone tops PlayStation, Xbox as most popular
video game device

and the Linux command line tends to be
a LOT more robust (at least "out of the box").


both have the usual shells (bash, tcsh, zsh, etc.) so the functionality
and robustness should be the same.

For years GNOME and its
derivatives had window "snapping" where it was easy to line up windows
and macOS did not (Apple *finally* added that). Hell, there was a time
you could not resize macOS windows from anywhere but the bottom right...


the grow box was originally the bottom right corner, a relative large
and easy to hit target, where the two scroll bars would have overlapped
had it not been there.

resizing windows from the edges means a very narrow resize region at
the edge (usually just a few pixels), without any visual indication
exactly where it begins and ends, making it a much harder to hit
target, potentially causing an errant click in a different window.
we've all done that at least once, probably many times.

this is modeled by fitts' law, which states that the time to hit a
target is a function of distance and size of the target.

there's even a formula for it:
https://miro.medium.com/max/1100/0*uTaba8tLirkoiZ8X

and even now they have menus only at the top, which made more sense when
we had smaller screens, and still offers SOME benefits, but also has
downsides.


another application of fitts' law.

a menubar at the top of the display means it's impossible to overshoot.
it's infinitely tall, making it a *huge* target size, a *significant*
benefit in overall ui speed.

with a menubar in each window, the target size is much smaller and
*very* easy to overshoot, greatly reducing overall speed and increasing
error rates.

larger screens does mean a longer distance to travel, but that is
outweighed by the infinitely tall target size. you can also flick the
mouse fast, and due to the non-linear acceleration curve, the cursor
will fly to the top (or whatever edge), even on the largest displays,
without needing to move one's hand very far, making this mostly a
non-issue.

I like macOS but I do not get having one's ego tied to any
OS... they each have pros and cons. No harm in speaking of them and
understanding them. Or even in disagreeing in what is good or bad.


yep. everything has pros and cons.

unfortunately, there are a lot of people who *don't* understand the
platforms they don't use and fall for the various myths, or they only
see the cons, never the pros.
  #344  
Old January 10th 20, 08:45 PM posted to comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.os.linux,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
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Default Why Linux Sucks - 2020 Version

On 1/10/20 12:10 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Snit
wrote:

I find it amazing how many (though certainly not all) Linux "advocates"
find it hard to understand the possibility of there existing features on
other solutions that they do not have on Linux. On the Mac it is the
norm that you can rename and move files around a drive and the file will
still show up in "Recent Items" menus and the like (as shown in the
videos). This is a part of the nature of how files work with the file
system and any program can have this functionality basically for "free"
-- a developer just has to use the standard file hooks (or whatever...
again, I am not a programmer). There are SOME programs which do not do
this -- most notably Adobe programs (such as Photoshop, but also others)
and many text editors (BBEdit and the like, perhaps tied to programmers
referencing paths in programs... not sure). But the norm on the Mac is
for this to "just work".


in classic mac os, files and folders were referenced by a file and
folder id. the name or path to it didn't matter and could change, even
while files were open, normally without problems. however, as with
everything, there are some exceptions.

mac os x, being based on unix, is highly reliant on path names, which
changed a lot of how things worked internally. a lot of that has been
resolved to where things mostly work the way they did before as far as
the user is concerned, but not everything.

photoshop is built on a cross-platform framework adobe wrote and is
likely the reason for anything deviating from the norm.


Right.

bbedit has no issues whatsoever with moving and renaming open files.


It used to... or maybe that was TextWrangler. The only issue I see with
it now is very minor... if I change a.txt to b.txt while the file is
open, both names show up in the "File Open Recents" menu item.

Good to know. Thanks!

When I discussed this with Linux folks in COLA they could not believe
it. It was "magic" to them. When I showed them videos they insisted they
must be forged... no OS could possibly do what macOS was doing!


a lot of people are unfamiliar with anything other than what they use
on a regular basis and can't imagine things being any different.


Yup.

Then they got mad at me... which I find odd. There are things macOS does
not do as well as the competition... many things, really. It is not a
good gaming system, for example,


it can be, but gamers don't buy macs so game developers don't usually
bother writing for mac, although there are exceptions.


Right. And it is not easy to upgrade GPUs in most Macs. Serious gamers
do that.

ios, on the other hand, is the world's largest gaming platform.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/...apple-iphone-r
eigns-top-device-playing-video-games/3174546002/
By the numbers, Apple's iPhone tops PlayStation, Xbox as most popular
video game device


Yup.

and the Linux command line tends to be
a LOT more robust (at least "out of the box").


both have the usual shells (bash, tcsh, zsh, etc.) so the functionality
and robustness should be the same.


Linux tends to have more built in commands... but those can be added to
macOS. There are some commands where macOS is also outdated, or uses
their own version to accommodate macOS tech. Both offer great solutions,
but it is easier to get a "complete" solution on Linux. Does not mean I
do not and have not added command like tools to the Mac, and there are
package managers (or whatever) which make it even easier. I have not
used that.

For years GNOME and its
derivatives had window "snapping" where it was easy to line up windows
and macOS did not (Apple *finally* added that). Hell, there was a time
you could not resize macOS windows from anywhere but the bottom right...


the grow box was originally the bottom right corner, a relative large
and easy to hit target, where the two scroll bars would have overlapped
had it not been there.


Right. I am happy they have made it so you can do so from any edge. You
can also change size proportionally, by the center, etc., but I rarely
do those things. I do have a third party window manager to give me added
features.

resizing windows from the edges means a very narrow resize region at
the edge (usually just a few pixels), without any visual indication
exactly where it begins and ends, making it a much harder to hit
target, potentially causing an errant click in a different window.
we've all done that at least once, probably many times.


True.

this is modeled by fitts' law, which states that the time to hit a
target is a function of distance and size of the target.

there's even a formula for it:
https://miro.medium.com/max/1100/0*uTaba8tLirkoiZ8X


Yup. Familiar with that.

and even now they have menus only at the top, which made more sense when
we had smaller screens, and still offers SOME benefits, but also has
downsides.


another application of fitts' law.


Right.

a menubar at the top of the display means it's impossible to overshoot.
it's infinitely tall, making it a *huge* target size, a *significant*
benefit in overall ui speed.

with a menubar in each window, the target size is much smaller and
*very* easy to overshoot, greatly reducing overall speed and increasing
error rates.


Agreed. That is the benefit. But you see only one and the travel
distance can be greater. I am happy multiple screens can have their own
menu now.

larger screens does mean a longer distance to travel, but that is
outweighed by the infinitely tall target size. you can also flick the
mouse fast, and due to the non-linear acceleration curve, the cursor
will fly to the top (or whatever edge), even on the largest displays,
without needing to move one's hand very far, making this mostly a
non-issue.


I would like to see actual testing on this... some study. I suspect
there is a balance as to when the screen size is big enough where it
becomes a bit of an issue. But really not a big deal either way. I do
agree with that. And if you have a lot of windows you are likely a more
competent use and are more likely to use hot keys, which also should be
figured in.

I like macOS but I do not get having one's ego tied to any
OS... they each have pros and cons. No harm in speaking of them and
understanding them. Or even in disagreeing in what is good or bad.


yep. everything has pros and cons.

unfortunately, there are a lot of people who *don't* understand the
platforms they don't use and fall for the various myths, or they only
see the cons, never the pros.


Fair enough.


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cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.
 




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