Why Linux Sucks- 2020 Version

On 04/01/2020 13.04, nospam wrote:
In article , Carlos E.R.
wrote:

android is not a full linux distro. it's the linux kernel, with android
built on top of it. all apps are written to android apis, not linux.

It is just Linux with a different desktop :-P

nope. android is its own os, sitting on top of a stripped down linux
kernel.

No, android is a desktop.


android apps are written to android apis, not linux apis.

linux on the desktop currently has a very low single digit percentage
market share. that is not 'taking over the world'.

We don't need the desktop if we have all the rest :-P

billions of people disagree with that.


But not actual data. :-P

--
Cheers, Carlos.

In article , Carlos E.R.
wrote:

android is not a full linux distro. it's the linux kernel, with android
built on top of it. all apps are written to android apis, not linux.

It is just Linux with a different desktop :-P

nope. android is its own os, sitting on top of a stripped down linux
kernel.

No, android is a desktop.

nope. it's not a desktop os. android is a mobile os for mobile devices
that is built on top of a stripped down linux kernel.

from google i/o a while back:
https://cdn.arstechnica.net/android-dev/android_not_linux.png

"Carlos E.R." wrote

| android is not a full linux distro. it's the linux kernel, with android
| built on top of it. all apps are written to android apis, not linux.
|
| It is just Linux with a different desktop :-P
|

And an airplane is just an alternative to a bicycle.
So why can't I steer it myself? And why do I have to
pay so much money just to get to Cleveland?

And why are 20 different companies logging my location
as I buy a loaf of bread? Where's the OSS part?

On Sat, 04 Jan 2020 07:52:36 -0500, nospam
wrote:

nope. it's not a desktop os. android is a mobile os for mobile devices
that is built on top of a stripped down linux kernel.

On Chrome OS a lot of Android-Apps are running without a problem now.
I like Kodi for Android on Chrome OS:

https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/9/2...pps-how-to-use
Chromebook 101: how to use Android apps on your Chromebook
4
Add your favorite apps

By Barbara Krasnoff Oct 9, 2019, 9:00am EDT

nospam wrote:
In article , Carlos E.R.
wrote:

android is not a full linux distro. it's the linux kernel, with android
built on top of it. all apps are written to android apis, not linux.

It is just Linux with a different desktop :-P

nope. android is its own os, sitting on top of a stripped down linux
kernel.

No, android is a desktop.

nope. it's not a desktop os. android is a mobile os for mobile devices
that is built on top of a stripped down linux kernel.

from google i/o a while back:
https://cdn.arstechnica.net/android-dev/android_not_linux.png


No mater how often you say it don't make it true. Even in the age of
"alternate facts". The Linux kernel is the kernel. My servers don't have
a windows manager but they are still Linux, glibc is not the kernel but
GNU C library, and the utilities are part of the shell not the kernel.
It modular, whatever you wrap around the kernel doesn't nullify that it
is Linux.

--
Take care,

Jonathan
-------------------
LITTLE WORKS STUDIO
http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

On Fri, 03 Jan 2020 18:19:51 -0500, nospam wrote:

In article , William Poaster
wrote:

It's one reason why Linux users are considered dysfunctional. There
are many more of course but we can leave that for another day.

I guess NASA, CERN, Fermilab, SpaceX, Microsoft (Azure), US Navy
submarines, Amazon, Facebook, Twitter, New York Stock Exchange, US
Postal Service, Schools, colleges and Universities in Russia, Germany,
Philippines, Georgia, Switzerland, Italy, India are all dysfunctional
then.

most people at those companies and schools use mac, windows, ios and
android, not linux, although they might use linux indirectly, such as on a
server.

Wrong. Just *some* examples below:-

CERN uses CentOS 8 -
https://cern.service-now.com/service...=linux-desktop

"Both CERN and Fermilab use Scientific Linux in *all* their work; this
includes running the Large Hadron Collider, the Dark Energy Camera
or the 20,000 internal servers of CERN & desktops."
- Wolfgang Gruener 2010 -

nasa used a lot of macs for the curiousity mars landing:
http://i.imgur.com/iua4C.jpg
https://photos2.insidercdn.com/mars1208060-2.jpg

NASA uses Debian on *all* ISS onboard computers & laptops. They switched
from Windows XP to Debian in 2013/14.

The U.S. Army is the single largest installed base for Red Hat Linux.
The USN submarine fleet uses Linux computers onboard (although they
decline to say which) & Lockheed Martin delivered a High Performance
Computing (HPC) solution to the US Navy to run sonar systems in nuclear
submarines. - US DoD -

US FAA uses RedHat Linux in all it's data centres.

33 German Universities migrated to OpenSUSE Linux which *included* the
Suse Linux Enterprise Desktop platform.

All Swiss primary and secondary public schools have switched to using
Ubuntu for the PCs used by teachers and students.

Brazil has 35 million students in over 50,000 schools using 523,400
computer stations all running Linux.

22,000 students in the US state of Indiana have had access to Linux
Workstations at their high schools since 2006.

Iceland has migrated to open-source software in public institutions.
Schools have also migrated from Windows to Ubuntu Linux.

The New York Stock Exchange has invested heavily in HP x86-based Linux
systems running RedHat and blade servers in its NYSE Hybrid Market trading
system.

Peugeot, the European car maker has deployed up to 20,000 copies of
Novell's Linux desktop, SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop, and 2,500 copies of
SUSE Linux Enterprise Server.

DreamWorks Animation adopted the use of Linux since 2001, and uses more
than 1,000 Linux desktops and more than 3,000 Linux servers/

And many more examples....

On Fri, 03 Jan 2020 18:04:43 -0600, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

On 2020-01-03 5:19 p.m., nospam wrote:
In article
XnsAB39AB4368593HT1@UOIXMMu3V6w40awHiSnqrQGYKkmK3 z2SK9mFDhrI8N.Ip903poH
P, Diesel wrote:

And, with mobile phones, Linux has taken over the world.

no it hasn't.

Pretty much it has.

no, it definitely hasn't.

linus ix mostly used in servers and embedded devices, *not* the desktop
or pocket.

linux on the desktop is 1% share. for mobile, it's either android or
ios. android has a stripped down kernel with android on top and ios does
not have any linux whatsoever (although does use a significant amount of
open source components).

https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share

android is not a full linux distro. it's the linux kernel, with
android built on top of it. all apps are written to android apis, not
linux.

LINUX itself IS ONLY the kernel.

when people say linux, they mean the full install, not just the kernel,
which is useless without anything else.

android uses a stripped down linux kernel since quite a bit of it is not
relevant for a mobile device or android itself.

Android is just as much a linux distro as redhat, slack, debian, mint,
etc are.

android is in no way a linux distro like redhat etc.

note that android is listed separately in the link above, not lumped
into linux.


i like the "unknown" with 1.25%!

if it's unknown, how can it be listed as having a share? That's like
saying, I have an imaginary friend that owns 5% of the worlds imaginary
money (I think). :-)

And a belated Happy New years To All. :-)

To you also! :-)

On Sat, 4 Jan 2020 09:51:39 -0500, "Jonathan N. Little"
wrote:

nospam wrote:
In article , Carlos E.R.
wrote:

android is not a full linux distro. it's the linux kernel, with android
built on top of it. all apps are written to android apis, not linux.

It is just Linux with a different desktop :-P

nope. android is its own os, sitting on top of a stripped down linux
kernel.

No, android is a desktop.

nope. it's not a desktop os. android is a mobile os for mobile devices
that is built on top of a stripped down linux kernel.

from google i/o a while back:
https://cdn.arstechnica.net/android-dev/android_not_linux.png


No mater how often you say it don't make it true. Even in the age of
"alternate facts". The Linux kernel is the kernel. My servers don't have
a windows manager but they are still Linux, glibc is not the kernel but
GNU C library, and the utilities are part of the shell not the kernel.
It modular, whatever you wrap around the kernel doesn't nullify that it
is Linux.

20 years of arguing whether Linux is just the kernel or not.
The answer has always been:

Linux *is* the kernel when it suits the argument to promote Linux in
the positive.

Linux *is not* the kernel when it will not portray Linux in a positive
light.

Well done Linux community.

Now go and put yourselves to good use writing yet another programmer's
editor because we all know Linux needs more programmer's editors. The
current 999+ versions are not enough.
Neither is 25 different package managers.
Or 100+ different desktop GUI environments.
Or 25 different sound systems.

And so forth.

On Fri, 03 Jan 2020 18:19:49 -0500, nospam wrote:

In article
XnsAB39AB4368593HT1@UOIXMMu3V6w40awHiSnqrQGYKkmK3 z2SK9mFDhrI8N.Ip903poH
P, Diesel wrote:

And, with mobile phones, Linux has taken over the world.

no it hasn't.

Pretty much it has.

no, it definitely hasn't.

linus ix mostly used in servers and embedded devices, *not* the desktop or
pocket.

linux on the desktop is 1% share. for mobile, it's either android or ios.
android has a stripped down kernel with android on top and ios does not
have any linux whatsoever (although does use a significant amount of open
source components).

https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share

android is not a full linux distro. it's the linux kernel, with
android built on top of it. all apps are written to android apis, not
linux.

LINUX itself IS ONLY the kernel.

when people say linux, they mean the full install, not just the kernel,
which is useless without anything else.

android uses a stripped down linux kernel since quite a bit of it is not
relevant for a mobile device or android itself.

Android is just as much a linux distro as redhat, slack, debian, mint,
etc are.

android is in no way a linux distro like redhat etc.

Linux refers to the "kernel" or software that sits between the hardware
and applications.
It's the kernel's job to decide when a program runs, what it's permitted
to do, how it accesses files, and how programs tell the hardware on the
device what to do.
Android uses Linux as it's kernel. While Android does not typically
include all the software and services that are part of a typical desktop
Linux environment, the basics are still there. ... Android is a Linux
operating system because, at it's base, it uses the standard Linux kernel
and basic operating system.
Android is not a GNU/Linux distro but its Kernel (its powerhouse) is Linux
and since it is the convention that a collection of software put together
around the Linux Kernel is referred to as Linux, Android is Linux.

note that android is listed separately in the link above, not lumped into
linux.

On 1/4/20 7:51 AM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
nospam wrote:
In article , Carlos E.R.
wrote:

android is not a full linux distro. it's the linux kernel, with android
built on top of it. all apps are written to android apis, not linux.

It is just Linux with a different desktop :-P

nope. android is its own os, sitting on top of a stripped down linux
kernel.

No, android is a desktop.

nope. it's not a desktop os. android is a mobile os for mobile devices
that is built on top of a stripped down linux kernel.

from google i/o a while back:
https://cdn.arstechnica.net/android-dev/android_not_linux.png


No mater how often you say it don't make it true. Even in the age of
"alternate facts". The Linux kernel is the kernel. My servers don't have
a windows manager but they are still Linux, glibc is not the kernel but
GNU C library, and the utilities are part of the shell not the kernel.
It modular, whatever you wrap around the kernel doesn't nullify that it
is Linux.


You are correct, but in common usage, and when in the context of desktop
computing, the term "Linux" is also often meant as "desktop Linux". It
is much how many people refer to two main types of "PCs" -- being "PCs"
and "Macs". Context is key.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On Sat, 04 Jan 2020 07:52:36 -0500, nospam wrote:

In article , Carlos E.R.
wrote:

android is not a full linux distro. it's the linux kernel, with
android built on top of it. all apps are written to android apis,
not linux.

It is just Linux with a different desktop :-P

nope. android is its own os, sitting on top of a stripped down linux
kernel.

No, android is a desktop.

nope. it's not a desktop os. android is a mobile os for mobile devices
that is built on top of a stripped down linux kernel.

from google i/o a while back:
https://cdn.arstechnica.net/android-dev/android_not_linux.png

Android desktop OS:
https://www.geckoandfly.com/23614/android-os-old-pc/

https://www.cnet.com/how-to/run-an-a...-any-computer/

Don't you know *anything* you ****witted troll.

(That was a rhetorical question.)

William Poaster wrote in
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On Sat, 04 Jan 2020 07:52:36 -0500, nospam wrote:

In article , Carlos E.R.
wrote:

android is not a full linux distro. it's the linux kernel, with
android built on top of it. all apps are written to android
apis, not linux.

It is just Linux with a different desktop :-P

nope. android is its own os, sitting on top of a stripped down
linux kernel.

No, android is a desktop.

nope. it's not a desktop os. android is a mobile os for mobile
devices that is built on top of a stripped down linux kernel.

from google i/o a while back:
https://cdn.arstechnica.net/android-dev/android_not_linux.png

Android desktop OS:
https://www.geckoandfly.com/23614/android-os-old-pc/

https://www.cnet.com/how-to/run-an-a...ost-any-comput
er/

Don't you know *anything* you ****witted troll.

(That was a rhetorical question.)

What does Linus Torvalds have to say about it?

On 03 Jan 2020, Rene Lamontagne wrote
(in article ):

On 2020-01-03 5:19 p.m., nospam wrote:
In article
XnsAB39AB4368593HT1@UOIXMMu3V6w40awHiSnqrQGYKkmK3 z2SK9mFDhrI8N.Ip903poH
P, Diesel wrote:

And, with mobile phones, Linux has taken over the world.

no it hasn't.

Pretty much it has.

no, it definitely hasn't.

linus ix mostly used in servers and embedded devices, *not* the desktop
or pocket.

linux on the desktop is 1% share. for mobile, it's either android or
ios. android has a stripped down kernel with android on top and ios
does not have any linux whatsoever (although does use a significant
amount of open source components).

https://gs.statcounter.com/os-market-share

android is not a full linux distro. it's the linux kernel, with
android built on top of it. all apps are written to android apis,
not linux.

LINUX itself IS ONLY the kernel.

when people say linux, they mean the full install, not just the kernel,
which is useless without anything else.

android uses a stripped down linux kernel since quite a bit of it is
not relevant for a mobile device or android itself.

Android is just as much a linux distro
as redhat, slack, debian, mint, etc are.

android is in no way a linux distro like redhat etc.

note that android is listed separately in the link above, not lumped
into linux.

i like the "unknown" with 1.25%!

if it's unknown, how can it be listed as having a share?

simply take the share of each known OS, add ‘em all up. what’s left is
unknown. So 98.75% of the total is known, what’s left is not.

That's like saying, I have an imaginary friend that owns 5% of the
worlds imaginary money (I think). :-)

nope


And a belated Happy New years To All. :-)

Rene

In article , Jonathan N. Little
wrote:


from google i/o a while back:
https://cdn.arstechnica.net/android-dev/android_not_linux.png


No mater how often you say it don't make it true. Even in the age of
"alternate facts". The Linux kernel is the kernel. My servers don't have
a windows manager but they are still Linux, glibc is not the kernel but
GNU C library, and the utilities are part of the shell not the kernel.
It modular, whatever you wrap around the kernel doesn't nullify that it
is Linux.

i'm not the one saying it.

*google* states that android is not linux.

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2009...o-google-andro
id-for-developers/
Although Android is built on top of the Linux kernel, the platform
has very little in common with the conventional desktop Linux stack.
In fact, during a presentation at the Google IO conference, Google
engineer Patrick Brady stated unambiguously that Android is not Linux.

why don't you tell google that they're wrong.

let us know how that works out.

In article , William Poaster
wrote:

Linux environment, the basics are still there. ... Android is a Linux
operating system because, at it's base, it uses the standard Linux kernel
and basic operating system.

only the base. the rest of android is not.