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Why Linux Sucks - 2020 Version
On 04/01/2020 18.39, nospam wrote:
In article , Jonathan N. Little wrote: from google i/o a while back: https://cdn.arstechnica.net/android-dev/android_not_linux.png No mater how often you say it don't make it true. Even in the age of "alternate facts". The Linux kernel is the kernel. My servers don't have a windows manager but they are still Linux, glibc is not the kernel but GNU C library, and the utilities are part of the shell not the kernel. It modular, whatever you wrap around the kernel doesn't nullify that it is Linux. i'm not the one saying it. *google* states that android is not linux. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2009...o-google-andro id-for-developers/ Although Android is built on top of the Linux kernel, the platform has very little in common with the conventional desktop Linux stack. In fact, during a presentation at the Google IO conference, Google engineer Patrick Brady stated unambiguously that Android is not Linux. why don't you tell google that they're wrong. They are entitled to their opinion. Just that :-P -- Cheers, Carlos. |
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On Sat, 4 Jan 2020 18:53:05 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
wrote: On 04/01/2020 18.39, nospam wrote: In article , Jonathan N. Little wrote: from google i/o a while back: https://cdn.arstechnica.net/android-dev/android_not_linux.png No mater how often you say it don't make it true. Even in the age of "alternate facts". The Linux kernel is the kernel. My servers don't have a windows manager but they are still Linux, glibc is not the kernel but GNU C library, and the utilities are part of the shell not the kernel. It modular, whatever you wrap around the kernel doesn't nullify that it is Linux. i'm not the one saying it. *google* states that android is not linux. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2009...o-google-andro id-for-developers/ Although Android is built on top of the Linux kernel, the platform has very little in common with the conventional desktop Linux stack. In fact, during a presentation at the Google IO conference, Google engineer Patrick Brady stated unambiguously that Android is not Linux. why don't you tell google that they're wrong. They are entitled to their opinion. Just that :-P What does Linus Torvalds have to say about Linux vs Android? |
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On 2020-01-04, nospam wrote:
In article , Jonathan N. Little wrote: from google i/o a while back: https://cdn.arstechnica.net/android-dev/android_not_linux.png No mater how often you say it don't make it true. Even in the age of "alternate facts". The Linux kernel is the kernel. My servers don't have a windows manager but they are still Linux, glibc is not the kernel but GNU C library, and the utilities are part of the shell not the kernel. It modular, whatever you wrap around the kernel doesn't nullify that it is Linux. i'm not the one saying it. *google* states that android is not linux. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2009...o-google-andro id-for-developers/ Although Android is built on top of the Linux kernel, the platform has very little in common with the conventional desktop Linux stack. In fact, during a presentation at the Google IO conference, Google engineer Patrick Brady stated unambiguously that Android is not Linux. why don't you tell google that they're wrong. let us know how that works out. Probably about as well as telling Trump that he is wrong. That still does not change the facts. Brady is refering to the whole OS, nospam is refering to the kernel (which Brady admits is Linux). That the "platform" differs from the "conventional Linux stack" does not differ from many man uses of linux. The platform in my router differs from the conventional Linux stack as well. That does not mean my router does not run Linux. |
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nospam wrote:
In article , William Poaster wrote: Linux environment, the basics are still there. ... Android is a Linux operating system because, at it's base, it uses the standard Linux kernel and basic operating system. only the base. the rest of android is not. Reply after reply after reply, you still don't get it - even though it's been explained clearly to you. Linux *IS JUST THE* kernel of "desktop Linux" which is properly called GNU/Linux. Android and Chrome OS are just as much what is correctly called "Linux" as Ubuntu/ etc. are. Linux was never imagined to be a complete implementation of Unix, that's where "GNU" and other components come in. So, you could say that Android isn't Unix, but not that it isn't Linux. -- Joel Crump |
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On Sat, 04 Jan 2020 14:23:52 -0500, Joel wrote:
nospam wrote: In article , William Poaster wrote: Linux environment, the basics are still there. ... Android is a Linux operating system because, at it's base, it uses the standard Linux kernel and basic operating system. only the base. the rest of android is not. Reply after reply after reply, you still don't get it - even though it's been explained clearly to you. Linux *IS JUST THE* kernel of "desktop Linux" which is properly called GNU/Linux. Android and Chrome OS are just as much what is correctly called "Linux" as Ubuntu/ etc. are. Linux was never imagined to be a complete implementation of Unix, that's where "GNU" and other components come in. So, you could say that Android isn't Unix, but not that it isn't Linux. What does Linus Torvalds say about Android vs Linux? |
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roach wrote:
On Sat, 04 Jan 2020 14:23:52 -0500, Joel wrote: nospam wrote: In article , William Poaster wrote: Linux environment, the basics are still there. ... Android is a Linux operating system because, at it's base, it uses the standard Linux kernel and basic operating system. only the base. the rest of android is not. Reply after reply after reply, you still don't get it - even though it's been explained clearly to you. Linux *IS JUST THE* kernel of "desktop Linux" which is properly called GNU/Linux. Android and Chrome OS are just as much what is correctly called "Linux" as Ubuntu/ etc. are. Linux was never imagined to be a complete implementation of Unix, that's where "GNU" and other components come in. So, you could say that Android isn't Unix, but not that it isn't Linux. What does Linus Torvalds say about Android vs Linux? I didn't ask him. I'm quite sure he would acknowledge that Linux is a kernel, though, since that's what he designed it to be. -- Joel Crump |
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Snit wrote:
How about we all just use what we like and speak of the pros and cons without attacking each other for having a different preference? Better yet, how about we all just recognise that I'm RIGHT and everyone else is WRONG as we've always done? GD&R -- XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement Project: http://twovoyagers.com/improve-usenet.org/ |
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On 1/4/2020 5:09 AM, Melzzzzz wrote:
On 2020-01-04, Carlos E.R. wrote: On 02/01/2020 18.34, nospam wrote: In article , John Wesley Harding wrote: And, with mobile phones, Linux has taken over the world. no it hasn't. android is not a full linux distro. it's the linux kernel, with android built on top of it. all apps are written to android apis, not linux. It is just Linux with a different desktop :-P Android is not GNU. Then again it is Linux. There seems to be a division of opinions on all of this. So, who would be the authority on this topic? The creators of Android, which is google. I'd go by what google has to say. I couldn't say it is or it isn't. It's not my paygrade. |
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Why Linux Rocks- 2020 Version
On 1/3/2020 8:54 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , vallor wrote: I have built Preamps and power amps of both types and prefer the solid state ones hands down. i also did long ago. i never much cared for designing analog circuits. A good portion of solid state circuits are analog. a much larger portion of them are digital. Not in the sense of power amplification. A lot of integrated circuit designers do the analog work inside the chip that goes out to the power amps. The power amps are analog and will always be analog. Just less analog design to do at that point. |
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On 1/3/2020 10:53 PM, Jasen Betts wrote:
On 2020-01-03, Tig Welder wrote: On Fri, 3 Jan 2020 00:44:45 +0000, ? Good Guy ? wrote: On 03/01/2020 00:01, Jasen Betts wrote: probably some sort of windows font bug. Probably it is what psychologists call " Self-fulfilling prophecy " on your part so I suggest take this crap to your Linux Junk newsgroup as Windows has what you call some sort of font bug. Surely, you don't want to hang out with Windows users who have some sort of bug as you have managed to diagnose them from your basement apartment window. The funny part is he is using slrn which is a throwback to the 1970's and a DEC VT100 terminal. Every option, including colors, are controlled by a text configuration file .slrnrc. So if you want to change the color of the text for example you need to edit the file and add something like CYAN to it, then save, restart slrn, rinse and repeat 100 times until you find a combination you like. You should know about obsolete technology, I mean you should, but you don't. after all you're using it. Agent is stuck in the 90s with no unicode support, and a developer who seems to have quit 6 years ago after 14+ years of failing to implement any sort of unicode support. whereas SLRN is still being maintained, Anyway back to your other mistakes above. DEC VT100 terminal doesn't do CYAN, that would be a VT200. but I'm not using that either. A VT200 doesn't do any color... it is monochrome. You'd have to use a more expensive DEC product for that. |
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On Sat, 4 Jan 2020 17:26:23 -0700, AnonLinuxUser
wrote: On 1/3/2020 10:53 PM, Jasen Betts wrote: On 2020-01-03, Tig Welder wrote: On Fri, 3 Jan 2020 00:44:45 +0000, ? Good Guy ? wrote: On 03/01/2020 00:01, Jasen Betts wrote: probably some sort of windows font bug. Probably it is what psychologists call " Self-fulfilling prophecy " on your part so I suggest take this crap to your Linux Junk newsgroup as Windows has what you call some sort of font bug. Surely, you don't want to hang out with Windows users who have some sort of bug as you have managed to diagnose them from your basement apartment window. The funny part is he is using slrn which is a throwback to the 1970's and a DEC VT100 terminal. Every option, including colors, are controlled by a text configuration file .slrnrc. So if you want to change the color of the text for example you need to edit the file and add something like CYAN to it, then save, restart slrn, rinse and repeat 100 times until you find a combination you like. You should know about obsolete technology, I mean you should, but you don't. after all you're using it. Agent is stuck in the 90s with no unicode support, and a developer who seems to have quit 6 years ago after 14+ years of failing to implement any sort of unicode support. whereas SLRN is still being maintained, Anyway back to your other mistakes above. DEC VT100 terminal doesn't do CYAN, that would be a VT200. but I'm not using that either. A VT200 doesn't do any color... it is monochrome. You'd have to use a more expensive DEC product for that. Correct. Green or amber. The DEC 241 did color I believe. Such memories. |
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On 1/4/20 5:30 PM, flatfish+++ wrote:
On Sat, 4 Jan 2020 17:26:23 -0700, AnonLinuxUser wrote: On 1/3/2020 10:53 PM, Jasen Betts wrote: On 2020-01-03, Tig Welder wrote: On Fri, 3 Jan 2020 00:44:45 +0000, ? Good Guy ? wrote: On 03/01/2020 00:01, Jasen Betts wrote: probably some sort of windows font bug. Probably it is what psychologists call " Self-fulfilling prophecy " on your part so I suggest take this crap to your Linux Junk newsgroup as Windows has what you call some sort of font bug. Surely, you don't want to hang out with Windows users who have some sort of bug as you have managed to diagnose them from your basement apartment window. The funny part is he is using slrn which is a throwback to the 1970's and a DEC VT100 terminal. Every option, including colors, are controlled by a text configuration file .slrnrc. So if you want to change the color of the text for example you need to edit the file and add something like CYAN to it, then save, restart slrn, rinse and repeat 100 times until you find a combination you like. You should know about obsolete technology, I mean you should, but you don't. after all you're using it. Agent is stuck in the 90s with no unicode support, and a developer who seems to have quit 6 years ago after 14+ years of failing to implement any sort of unicode support. whereas SLRN is still being maintained, Anyway back to your other mistakes above. DEC VT100 terminal doesn't do CYAN, that would be a VT200. but I'm not using that either. A VT200 doesn't do any color... it is monochrome. You'd have to use a more expensive DEC product for that. Correct. Green or amber. The DEC 241 did color I believe. Such memories. My first intro to UNIX was when working on one of these: http://www.decadecounter.com/vta/art...w.php?item=134 I think it was the 5. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. |
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nospam wrote:
In article , Jonathan N. Little wrote: from google i/o a while back: https://cdn.arstechnica.net/android-dev/android_not_linux.png No mater how often you say it don't make it true. Even in the age of "alternate facts". The Linux kernel is the kernel. My servers don't have a windows manager but they are still Linux, glibc is not the kernel but GNU C library, and the utilities are part of the shell not the kernel. It modular, whatever you wrap around the kernel doesn't nullify that it is Linux. i'm not the one saying it. *google* states that android is not linux. They're wrong. Not the first time. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2009...o-google-andro id-for-developers/ Although Android is built on top of the Linux kernel, the platform has very little in common with the conventional desktop Linux stack. In fact, during a presentation at the Google IO conference, Google engineer Patrick Brady stated unambiguously that Android is not Linux. why don't you tell google that they're wrong. let us know how that works out. Not my job. You can find results that says the world is flat too, but still doesn't make it true. -- Take care, Jonathan ------------------- LITTLE WORKS STUDIO http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com |
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In article , Jonathan N. Little
wrote: from google i/o a while back: https://cdn.arstechnica.net/android-dev/android_not_linux.png No mater how often you say it don't make it true. Even in the age of "alternate facts". The Linux kernel is the kernel. My servers don't have a windows manager but they are still Linux, glibc is not the kernel but GNU C library, and the utilities are part of the shell not the kernel. It modular, whatever you wrap around the kernel doesn't nullify that it is Linux. i'm not the one saying it. *google* states that android is not linux. They're wrong. Not the first time. because you say so? the engineers who work on android are in a far better position to know what it is and is not. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2009...o-google-andro id-for-developers/ Although Android is built on top of the Linux kernel, the platform has very little in common with the conventional desktop Linux stack. In fact, during a presentation at the Google IO conference, Google engineer Patrick Brady stated unambiguously that Android is not Linux. why don't you tell google that they're wrong. let us know how that works out. Not my job. You can find results that says the world is flat too, but still doesn't make it true. straw man. |
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AnonLinuxUser wrote:
On 1/4/2020 5:09 AM, Melzzzzz wrote: On 2020-01-04, Carlos E.R. wrote: On 02/01/2020 18.34, nospam wrote: In article , John Wesley Harding wrote: And, with mobile phones, Linux has taken over the world. no it hasn't. android is not a full linux distro. it's the linux kernel, with android built on top of it. all apps are written to android apis, not linux. It is just Linux with a different desktop :-P Android is not GNU. Then again it is Linux. There seems to be a division of opinions on all of this. So, who would be the authority on this topic? The creators of Android, which is google. I'd go by what google has to say. I couldn't say it is or it isn't. It's not my paygrade. https://www.howtogeek.com/189036/and...oes-that-mean/ Paul |
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