Newsgroups, Windows live mail

"Alias" wrote in message
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On 01/25/2011 01:06 PM, Gordon wrote:
On 25/01/2011 11:41, G. Morgan wrote:


Damn, that's a pretty serious F-up on M$FT's part. I d/l'ed it
and tried it myself and it's definetely broken out-of-the-box.


Probably because MS has a) closed its newsserver, b) set up the web
forums and c) is trying to close Usenet itself...because it cannot
control it...

First AOL stopped Usenet support. Then most of the ISPs in the USA and
elsewhere discontinued Usenet. Now MS has discontinued their service. That
pretty much leaves most computer users out of Usenet. I don't see Apple in
the newsgroups. Did they ever have groups on Usenet?

Most are dropping Usenet because of lawsuits like RIAA filed. They have been
threatened by congress too.

"Stan Brown" wrote in message
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On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 19:56:39 -0500, Tom Lake wrote:
"Char Jackson" wrote in message
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On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 01:09:34 -0500, "Tom Lake"
wrote:

[quoted text muted]
other
people need that WLM can't provide?

Tom L

Do you see how your comments and Stan's comments look like they came
from the same person? That's just one of the things that's completely
broken in the newsreader you're using.

Stan's post has two greater than symbols, my reply has one.


That is not true.

If you'd learn to attribute correctly you'd see that it IS true.

On 25/01/2011 17:45, Jack wrote:

"Jeff Layman" wrote in message
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On 25/01/2011 05:03, Char Jackson wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 22:00:48 -0700,
wrote:

So, is Windows Live Mail now the standard email client in Win7?

No, there is no standard email client in Win 7. Some vendors include
Windows Live Mail, but in that case it's the vendor doing it, not
Microsoft. As always, you're free to use any email client you'd like
to use.

And if they've included WLM, they'll have had to include all the other
Live junk that comes with it.

No they don't have to, they can select only the Mail portion.

Char's post referred to the vendors. They have to include the other
Live programs. It is not possible to install WLM only, as all the other
Live progs are installed by default as well. You're stuck with them
using disk space whether you use them or not.

--

Jeff

"Jeff Layman" wrote in message
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On 25/01/2011 17:45, Jack wrote:

"Jeff Layman" wrote in message
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On 25/01/2011 05:03, Char Jackson wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 22:00:48 -0700,
wrote:

So, is Windows Live Mail now the standard email client in Win7?

No, there is no standard email client in Win 7. Some vendors include
Windows Live Mail, but in that case it's the vendor doing it, not
Microsoft. As always, you're free to use any email client you'd like
to use.

And if they've included WLM, they'll have had to include all the other
Live junk that comes with it.

No they don't have to, they can select only the Mail portion.

Char's post referred to the vendors. They have to include the other
Live programs. It is not possible to install WLM only, as all the other
Live progs are installed by default as well. You're stuck with them
using disk space whether you use them or not.




If they were pre-installed, you can remove any of the "Live" components
you want and leave the rest. Just go to Uninstall A Program in the Control
Panel, select Windows Live Essentials and right click | Uninstall. At that
point you are given the opportunity to check the components you want to
remove.

You can uninstall all but WLMail.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Oct. 1, 2004 ~ Sept. 30, 2010
Imperial Beach, CA

On 25/01/2011 18:28, Bruce Hagen wrote:

"Jeff Layman" wrote in message
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On 25/01/2011 17:45, Jack wrote:

"Jeff Layman" wrote in message
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On 25/01/2011 05:03, Char Jackson wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 22:00:48 -0700,
wrote:

So, is Windows Live Mail now the standard email client in Win7?

No, there is no standard email client in Win 7. Some vendors include
Windows Live Mail, but in that case it's the vendor doing it, not
Microsoft. As always, you're free to use any email client you'd like
to use.

And if they've included WLM, they'll have had to include all the other
Live junk that comes with it.

No they don't have to, they can select only the Mail portion.

Char's post referred to the vendors. They have to include the other
Live programs. It is not possible to install WLM only, as all the
other Live progs are installed by default as well. You're stuck with
them using disk space whether you use them or not.

If they were pre-installed, you can remove any of the "Live" components
you want and leave the rest. Just go to Uninstall A Program in the
Control Panel, select Windows Live Essentials and right click |
Uninstall. At that point you are given the opportunity to check the
components you want to remove.

You can uninstall all but WLMail.

Thanks Bruce! I didn't know that - just seeing Windows Live Essentials
in uninstall/change, I had assumed it was all or none. Has Microsoft
done anything similar with the installation of a program "suite" where
the uninstallation is not obvious, or was Live Essentials the first?

--

Jeff

"Jeff Layman" wrote in message
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On 25/01/2011 18:28, Bruce Hagen wrote:

"Jeff Layman" wrote in message
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On 25/01/2011 17:45, Jack wrote:

"Jeff Layman" wrote in message
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On 25/01/2011 05:03, Char Jackson wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 22:00:48 -0700,
wrote:

So, is Windows Live Mail now the standard email client in Win7?

No, there is no standard email client in Win 7. Some vendors
include
Windows Live Mail, but in that case it's the vendor doing it, not
Microsoft. As always, you're free to use any email client you'd
like
to use.

And if they've included WLM, they'll have had to include all the
other
Live junk that comes with it.

No they don't have to, they can select only the Mail portion.

Char's post referred to the vendors. They have to include the other
Live programs. It is not possible to install WLM only, as all the
other Live progs are installed by default as well. You're stuck with
them using disk space whether you use them or not.

If they were pre-installed, you can remove any of the "Live" components
you want and leave the rest. Just go to Uninstall A Program in the
Control Panel, select Windows Live Essentials and right click |
Uninstall. At that point you are given the opportunity to check the
components you want to remove.

You can uninstall all but WLMail.

Thanks Bruce! I didn't know that - just seeing Windows Live Essentials
in uninstall/change, I had assumed it was all or none. Has Microsoft
done anything similar with the installation of a program "suite" where
the uninstallation is not obvious, or was Live Essentials the first?



Are you speaking of a suite other than Windows Live Essentials?

If you are asking about WLE, you can download the entire set, or just the
ones you want.

http://explore.live.com/windows-live...tials?os=other

I believe if you choose Save for the entire set, you can install only the
ones you want from the set, but I'm not about to test that right now.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP Oct. 1, 2004 ~ Sept. 30, 2010
Imperial Beach, CA

On 01/25/2011 06:50 PM, Jack wrote:

"Alias" wrote in message
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On 01/25/2011 01:06 PM, Gordon wrote:
On 25/01/2011 11:41, G. Morgan wrote:


Damn, that's a pretty serious F-up on M$FT's part. I d/l'ed it
and tried it myself and it's definetely broken out-of-the-box.


Probably because MS has a) closed its newsserver, b) set up the web
forums and c) is trying to close Usenet itself...because it cannot
control it...

First AOL stopped Usenet support. Then most of the ISPs in the USA and
elsewhere discontinued Usenet. Now MS has discontinued their service.
That pretty much leaves most computer users out of Usenet. I don't see
Apple in the newsgroups. Did they ever have groups on Usenet?

Most are dropping Usenet because of lawsuits like RIAA filed. They have
been threatened by congress too.




Why would congress care?

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Alias

On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 23:00:09 -0700, GreyCloud wrote:

relic wrote:

"Tom Lake" wrote in message
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"Stan Brown" wrote in message
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On Sun, 23 Jan 2011 10:54:33 -0800, Alex Clayton wrote:
Great, I did not know MS decided to screw this up now. I guess if I get
another computer or have to format one I will have to learn to use
something
like T-Bird then. I had tried them years ago but gave up.


Unless you are dissatisfied with your mail program, I can't imagine
why you'd install another one. Thunderbird is a mail program that
incidentally does newsgroups. You are much better off to install a
program that is intended to do newsgroups. My own personal favorite
is Gravity, but there are plenty of other choices that are superior
to Thunderbird, let alone WLM.


WLM works fine for me. I can read newsgroup messages, post to newsgroups
and have my replies automatically be put at the bottom of a message.
That's
all I require in a newsreader. WLM can also combine binary files that
are posted
in pieces although I don't use that facility too often. What features
do other
people need that WLM can't provide?

Tom L

Look at your quoting. WLM does NOT work fine for you.


This is really wierd. All I see are two colored vertical lines.
I suppose I really should buy a new PC and see what this is all about.

It has *nothing* to do with your PC or OS. That's the way your
*newsreader*, Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20091118), renders the "" and
"" symbols. Try using Ctrl-u to see the source.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 10:44:21 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

So, rather than find out what your problem was, and fix it (see
Relic's reply), you took the extreme step of reinstalling Windows, and
all the work that involves. That's like replacing your car because it
got a flat tire.

Wait a minute, isn't that what you're supposed to do?

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On 25/01/2011 19:17, Bruce Hagen wrote:

"Jeff Layman" wrote in message


If they were pre-installed, you can remove any of the "Live" components
you want and leave the rest. Just go to Uninstall A Program in the
Control Panel, select Windows Live Essentials and right click |
Uninstall. At that point you are given the opportunity to check the
components you want to remove.

You can uninstall all but WLMail.

Thanks Bruce! I didn't know that - just seeing Windows Live Essentials
in uninstall/change, I had assumed it was all or none. Has Microsoft
done anything similar with the installation of a program "suite" where
the uninstallation is not obvious, or was Live Essentials the first?



Are you speaking of a suite other than Windows Live Essentials?

Yes - any suite.

If you are asking about WLE, you can download the entire set, or just
the ones you want.

http://explore.live.com/windows-live...tials?os=other

Is that a change from WLE 2010? I'm pretty certain that when I wanted
to download WLM about this time last year I wasn't offered an option -
if I wanted WLM I had to have all the other stuff.

I believe if you choose Save for the entire set, you can install only
the ones you want from the set, but I'm not about to test that right now.

It looks like wlsetup-web.exe is some sort of download manager. Having
just uninstalled the dross, I don't intend to try it either!

--

Jeff

Basically MS wants newsgroups to die so they are doing everything they
can to facilitate that. They no longer support newsgroups and they seem
to be removing access to them from their software. That will only affect
the people that can't be bothered to look for software and just run what
MS throws at them. For the rest of us, newsgroups aren't going anywhere,
in fact, its looking like the Eternal September that started so long ago
is finally ending, thankfully!

On 1/24/2011 10:29 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 02:10:10 -0600, G. wrote:

Char wrote:


Do you see how your comments and Stan's comments look like they came
from the same person? That's just one of the things that's completely
broken in the newsreader you're using.


WLM does not add a "" for quoted text? That's a major "whoops",
if so!

It's so, alright, but it's not the only thing broken in WLM 15.


I'm sure its intentional... if they break newsgroup access, then it will
get people to blame the newsgroups for being "old" and then scrap them
in favor of web-based forums. Not the first time MS went about trying to
set their own standards.

On 25/01/2011 19:43, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 10:44:21 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

So, rather than find out what your problem was, and fix it (see
Relic's reply), you took the extreme step of reinstalling Windows, and
all the work that involves. That's like replacing your car because it
got a flat tire.

Wait a minute, isn't that what you're supposed to do?


No, you only replace it when the ashtray is full....

On 25/01/2011 20:36, milt wrote:

in fact, its looking like the Eternal September that started so long ago
is finally ending, thankfully!

Eh? Citations for that please?

"Gordon" wrote in message
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On 25/01/2011 19:43, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 10:44:21 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

So, rather than find out what your problem was, and fix it (see
Relic's reply), you took the extreme step of reinstalling Windows, and
all the work that involves. That's like replacing your car because it
got a flat tire.

Wait a minute, isn't that what you're supposed to do?


No, you only replace it when the ashtray is full....

Whoa... I was wondering why my car is so old, I quit smoking!
Thanks.