My grandkid wants a "gaming" computer (don't want to make the samemistake again!)

On 12/16/2015 1:34 AM, Oscar wrote:
Long ago, I bought a different grandchild a computer, which turned out to
not be able to run Call of Duty games he wanted to play (and Target
wouldn't even take the games back).
....
This time, I asked what games he wants to play, and he said he'd like
to play something called "fallout 4" which doesn't apparently work on
his playstation 3 we bought him a few years ago.

First, read both games' system requirements!

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On Wed, 16 Dec 2015 23:38:42 +0800, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
On 12/16/2015 1:34 AM, Oscar wrote:
Long ago, I bought a different grandchild a computer, which turned out to
not be able to run Call of Duty games he wanted to play (and Target
wouldn't even take the games back).
....
This time, I asked what games he wants to play, and he said he'd like
to play something called "fallout 4" which doesn't apparently work on
his playstation 3 we bought him a few years ago.

First, read both games' system requirements!

Better if to note the recommended machine specifications (rather than the
required specs) or bring it to the computer shop if a computer is decided to
be bought. Show it to the seller and ask for a computer whose specifications
a little higher than the game's recommended machine specifications.

JJ wrote:
On Wed, 16 Dec 2015 23:38:42 +0800, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
On 12/16/2015 1:34 AM, Oscar wrote:
Long ago, I bought a different grandchild a computer, which turned out to
not be able to run Call of Duty games he wanted to play (and Target
wouldn't even take the games back).
....
This time, I asked what games he wants to play, and he said he'd like
to play something called "fallout 4" which doesn't apparently work on
his playstation 3 we bought him a few years ago.
First, read both games' system requirements!

Better if to note the recommended machine specifications (rather than the
required specs) or bring it to the computer shop if a computer is decided to
be bought. Show it to the seller and ask for a computer whose specifications
a little higher than the game's recommended machine specifications.

http://www.pcgamer.com/fallout-4-sys...nts-released/#!

Jordan Erica Webber Oct 7, 2015

Recommended

Windows 7/8/10 (64-bit OS required)
Intel Core i7 4790 3.6 GHz/AMD FX-9590 4.7 GHz or equivalent
8 GB RAM
30 GB free HDD space
NVIDIA GTX 780 3GB or AMD Radeon R9 290X 4GB or equivalent

So on the processor, it's one notch shy of a 4790K 4GHz 4C 8T processor.
And the FX-9590, only an idiot would buy that for a desktop,
because the processor draws 200-220W flat out. It's overclocked
at the factory. Basically, that's about the best AMD has got
in a desktop processor.

And on video, GTX 780.

http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu_list.php

Card Passmarks
---- ---------

GTX 550 Ti 1924 --- minimum for Fallout 4

GeForce GTX 780 8026 --- recommended for Fallout 4

GeForce GTX 980M 5989 --- the one I was looking at for the laptop

So you could get a laptop "in the ballpark"
to do the job.

It's still going to take a pretty decent laptop,
not a $300 laptop. A $300 laptop would play that
about 1 frame per second.

The way this works, is the game developers do their development
on kickass platforms. The game always outstrips the median
PC in the market. The level of detail can be turned down,
HDR turned off, antialiasing turned off, and so on. I actually
prefer to turn some of that stuff off, as it is distracting
(especially HDR high dynamic range lighting). If you're
leaving antialiasing set to 16x or something, you've
got too much time on your hands looking at the detail.
A few jaggies never hurt anyone on an FPS.

So a person can "shop via Passmark" if they want.
As the set of benchmarking sites has lots of
listings. For example, CPUs...

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_list.php

Intel Core i7-4790 @ 3.60GHz 10029 --- recommended desktop

AMD FX-9590 10268 --- recommended desktop

Intel i7-6820HK @ 2.70GHz 9043 --- Alienware option

Intel i7-4940MX @ 3.10GHz 9697 --- Eurocom top option, CPU
costs about $1000

It would take another couple hours research to find a
good compromise choice for a laptop.

I think I would want a laptop with a really really
large battery bay :-) You'll probably be able to
roast marshmallows on that strip above the keyboard.

HTH,
Paul

pjp
Tue, 15
Dec 2015 18:06:05 GMT in alt.windows7.general, wrote:

In article , lid
says...

My grandkid wants a "gaming" computer (and don't want to make the
same mistake again!).

Long ago, I bought a different grandchild a computer, which
turned out to not be able to run Call of Duty games he wanted to
play (and Target wouldn't even take the games back).

So I don't want to make both those mistakes again.

This time, I asked what games he wants to play, and he said he'd
like to play something called "fallout 4" which doesn't
apparently work on his playstation 3 we bought him a few years
ago.

What do I need to look for in a Windows laptop that will play
such games?

Basically MONEY

Especially a laptop as it has to come with the appropriate
hardware already in it. Given the laptop needs to be powerfull
that means lots of heat etc. The top of the line components and
design up's the cost considerably.

You're throwing your money away if you go for a gaming 'laptop'. it's
going to overheat and die prematurely. Laptops aren't gaming rigs.
You want to game and do it hardcore? the desktop/tower is your buddy.

It'd be a lot cheaper and more surety he'll be happy with it if
you bought him a new Xbox360. The game itself is likely the same
price. Note - FallOut 4 is one of the latest "big" games and as
such needs top of the line pc hardware to run it respectably. The
Xbox also avoids the hassles associated with pc gaming, e.g.
incompatabilities and game won't run properly if at all.


ROFL. No, the xbox doesn't avoid incompatabilities. Do you actually
own one or know someone who does? If you did, you wouldn't have
written such sillyness. Xbox games require patches and updates, too.

Xbox also requires a subscription to get those patches and updates.

connection. Don't forget a joystick for the pc although XBox
controllers can work but I don't know how or what else one might
need given I don't have one.

Don't do this with a laptop. Laptops were not meant to be abused in
such a way. I know, some people claim to sell 'gaming laptops'...
trust me though, that laptop is going to die a miserable death when
the gamer cooks it.


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On 2015-12-15 1:09 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
Oscar wrote:

What do I need to look for in a Windows laptop that will play
such games?

A laptop is a bad choice for a gaming machine, it will cost more
to start with and have far fewer upgrade options in future
(possibly none).

Not true. Eurocom and MSI both make laptops which allow you to
upgrade your GPU. The GTX 970M in my MSI GT72 for instance can be
replaced if I am willing to pay for it though I don't see the
point since the GPU can play every game I throw at it in 1080p
with ultra settings. If a person is content with playing at 1080p,
a gaming laptop purchased today should handle all content for at
least four years. It's only if you want to play at higher
resolutions that there are issues.

You aren't going to be sticking any PCI Express or PCI card you like
in that laptop. You have a few options in this case, sure, but not
much. You can't just goto a store buy a new video card and away you
go. Don't use a laptop for serious gaming. That laptop wasn't really
built for it and you will end it's life sooner by using it for that.
It's ill equipped to handle constant abuse and high run times.



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On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 17:34:37 +0000, Oscar wrote:

What do I need to look for in a Windows laptop that will play such games?

Thank you for all the advice!

Based on my read of *all* the wonderful input, can you correct my
summary "shopping list" below so that I can print it and bring it
with me to the computer store?

0. Game requirements:
Fallout4: https://www.playstation.com/en-us/games/fallout-4-ps4/
http://www.pcgamer.com/fallout-4-sys...nts-released/#

1. Available consoles:
XBox One (~$300 to $400 depending on accessories)
Playstation 4 (~$300 to $400 depending on accessories)

What accessories do you recommend?

2. Minimum desktop (not laptop):
a. Windows 7/8/10 (64-bit OS required)
b. Intel Core i5-2300 2.8 GHz or AMD Phenom II X4 945 3.0 GHz
c. 8 GB RAM
d. NVIDIA GTX 550 Ti 2GB or AMD Radeon HD 7870 2GB

3. Recommended desktop (not laptop):
a. Windows 7/8/10 (64-bit OS required)
b. Intel Core i7 4790 3.6 GHz or AMD FX-9590 4.7 GHz
c. 8 GB RAM
d. NVIDIA GTX 780 3GB or AMD Radeon R9 290X 4GB

4. More than enough desktop:
A. Windows 7 and above (64-bit)
B. Intel i3 6300T
C. 8 GB RAM
D. NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660 2GB or AMD ATI Radeon HD 7850 2GB
E. DirectX 11.0 Compatible video card or equivalent

5. Even better than enough desktop:
A. Windows 10 (64-bit)
B. Intel i5 6600
C. 16GB RAM
D. NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970 4GB or AMD Radeon R9 290 4GB
E. DirectX 11.1 Compatible video card

How do I know if a video card is "directx" compatible?

On 12/17/2015 12:49 PM, Diesel wrote:
pjp
Tue, 15
Dec 2015 18:06:05 GMT in alt.windows7.general, wrote:

In article , lid
says...

My grandkid wants a "gaming" computer (and don't want to make the
same mistake again!).

Long ago, I bought a different grandchild a computer, which
turned out to not be able to run Call of Duty games he wanted to
play (and Target wouldn't even take the games back).

So I don't want to make both those mistakes again.

This time, I asked what games he wants to play, and he said he'd
like to play something called "fallout 4" which doesn't
apparently work on his playstation 3 we bought him a few years
ago.

What do I need to look for in a Windows laptop that will play
such games?

Basically MONEY

Especially a laptop as it has to come with the appropriate
hardware already in it. Given the laptop needs to be powerfull
that means lots of heat etc. The top of the line components and
design up's the cost considerably.

You're throwing your money away if you go for a gaming 'laptop'. it's
going to overheat and die prematurely. Laptops aren't gaming rigs.
You want to game and do it hardcore? the desktop/tower is your buddy.

It'd be a lot cheaper and more surety he'll be happy with it if
you bought him a new Xbox360. The game itself is likely the same
price. Note - FallOut 4 is one of the latest "big" games and as
such needs top of the line pc hardware to run it respectably. The
Xbox also avoids the hassles associated with pc gaming, e.g.
incompatabilities and game won't run properly if at all.


ROFL. No, the xbox doesn't avoid incompatabilities. Do you actually
own one or know someone who does? If you did, you wouldn't have
written such sillyness. Xbox games require patches and updates, too.

Xbox also requires a subscription to get those patches and updates.

connection. Don't forget a joystick for the pc although XBox
controllers can work but I don't know how or what else one might
need given I don't have one.

Don't do this with a laptop. Laptops were not meant to be abused in
such a way. I know, some people claim to sell 'gaming laptops'...
trust me though, that laptop is going to die a miserable death when
the gamer cooks it.



Forget so called gaming laptop, Buy him a nice good quality desktop with
up to date CPU and good medium priced GPU, Good IPS 24 or 27 inch
monitor, Good quality gaming keyboard and mouse.
With this he can do everything he wants without eye and finger strain,
He will thank you for it. Take it from an old, old gamer.

Regards Rene

On Thu, 17 Dec 2015 02:41:13 -0500, Paul wrote:

So on the processor, it's one notch shy of a 4790K 4GHz 4C 8T processor.
And the FX-9590, only an idiot would buy that for a desktop,
because the processor draws 200-220W flat out. It's overclocked
at the factory. Basically, that's about the best AMD has got
in a desktop processor.

Nowaday games do push CPU to the limit. The demands are getting higher. Up
to the point that it's comparable to server demands.

It's still going to take a pretty decent laptop,
not a $300 laptop. A $300 laptop would play that
about 1 frame per second.

IMO, those below $400 are generally the same as notebooks - a low end class
which is not meant for even medium processing.

The way this works, is the game developers do their development
on kickass platforms. The game always outstrips the median
PC in the market. The level of detail can be turned down,
HDR turned off, antialiasing turned off, and so on.

True. Some games even prepared for faster hardwares than what's available on
the market. So, I doubt these games will run smoothly on a fastest hardware
unless extreme overclocking is done.

I actually
prefer to turn some of that stuff off, as it is distracting
(especially HDR high dynamic range lighting). If you're
leaving antialiasing set to 16x or something, you've
got too much time on your hands looking at the detail.
A few jaggies never hurt anyone on an FPS.

Well, that's game specific. The view on FPS changes a lot, so it's
practically difficult to follow. And not all gamers like FPS.

It would take another couple hours research to find a
good compromise choice for a laptop.

It would take much more (or much less) time for those who aren't techie.

I think I would want a laptop with a really really
large battery bay :-) You'll probably be able to
roast marshmallows on that strip above the keyboard.

Be sure to get a mini fire extinguisher too.

Oscar wrote:
On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 17:34:37 +0000, Oscar wrote:

What do I need to look for in a Windows laptop that will play such games?

Thank you for all the advice!

Based on my read of *all* the wonderful input, can you correct my
summary "shopping list" below so that I can print it and bring it
with me to the computer store?

0. Game requirements:
Fallout4: https://www.playstation.com/en-us/games/fallout-4-ps4/
http://www.pcgamer.com/fallout-4-sys...nts-released/#

1. Available consoles:
XBox One (~$300 to $400 depending on accessories)
Playstation 4 (~$300 to $400 depending on accessories)

What accessories do you recommend?

2. Minimum desktop (not laptop):
a. Windows 7/8/10 (64-bit OS required)
b. Intel Core i5-2300 2.8 GHz or AMD Phenom II X4 945 3.0 GHz
c. 8 GB RAM
d. NVIDIA GTX 550 Ti 2GB or AMD Radeon HD 7870 2GB

3. Recommended desktop (not laptop):
a. Windows 7/8/10 (64-bit OS required)
b. Intel Core i7 4790 3.6 GHz or AMD FX-9590 4.7 GHz
c. 8 GB RAM
d. NVIDIA GTX 780 3GB or AMD Radeon R9 290X 4GB

4. More than enough desktop:
A. Windows 7 and above (64-bit)
B. Intel i3 6300T
C. 8 GB RAM
D. NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660 2GB or AMD ATI Radeon HD 7850 2GB
E. DirectX 11.0 Compatible video card or equivalent

5. Even better than enough desktop:
A. Windows 10 (64-bit)
B. Intel i5 6600
C. 16GB RAM
D. NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970 4GB or AMD Radeon R9 290 4GB
E. DirectX 11.1 Compatible video card

How do I know if a video card is "directx" compatible?


"HP ENVY 750se Windows 7 Pro Desktop" base price $749
http://store.hp.com/us/en/ConfigureV...663&quantity=1

Intel Core i7-4790 @ 3.60GHz 10029 --- recommended
Intel Core i7-6700 @ 3.40GHz 9921 --- base CPU in 750SE

Change memory to 16GB from 12GB provided.
RAM should be installed in matched sets.

16GB DDR4-2133 DIMM (2x8GB) RAM

Hard drive (2TB) is fine

Change graphics card to GTX 970. This one seems to
have five connectors on the faceplate, and if the
existing computer monitor uses VGA 15 pin video, a
passive VGA adapter can be plugged into the DL DVI-I port.

GeForce GTX 780 8026 --- recommended for Fallout 4

4GB Nvidia GeForce GTX 970 [DL DVI-I, HDMI, DP, DP, DP]
Passmark = 8662

So that graphics card choice is slightly above "recommended".
By not enough to matter.

Change power supply to 500W unit.

If you need AV software, do not select the McAfee packages
offered. Do your own market survey and pick the best one.

The unit has no sound card options - by "integrated"
they mean the motherboard has HDAudio.

Select wireless keyboard and mouse, if the individual is
known to like such things. I like mine wired (the default
on the order page), so I never have to worry about
batteries, or about RF emissions present in the room.
A carelessly strung USB3 cable, can stop a wireless
mouse from working reliably, as an example of RF
emissions.

If the recipient doesn't have an LCD monitor, you
will need one of those. The video card has enough
port types, there's a good chance the existing monitor
will just plug in. And with DL DVI-I, a monitor up
to 2560 across can be driven with that, while some
of the other connectors may manage to drive a
larger dimension in terms of pixels.

That brought my base price from $749 (Of which $330 is
the portion Intel gets for the CPU), to $1125 with
the fancy video card. The video card is responsible
for most of the price increase. The power supply bump
is about right at $30. The RAM should have been 16GB
to start with, rather than an adder.

$749 base
16GB DDR4 RAM ($50 adder is a little high, for an extra 4GB)
GTX 970 4GB ($280 adder over a GTX745, retail 970 is $350,
they're probably getting an extra $50 for themselves)
500W power ($30 adder)
Wireless KB/Mouse ($15 adder)
Subtotal $1125

You still need:

LCD monitor (reuse existing monitor ?)
Speakers (reuse existing speakers?)
Antivirus software
(Note: Win7 Pro can be upgraded to Win10 Pro, over the Internet)

Example of LCD monitors.

With a TN panel, you get 1ms GTG (one millisecond gray to gray
transition time), which is a gamer spec. Modern IPS monitors
can have nicer looking images for photo editing, but with
6ms to 8ms GTG. You can still use those for gaming.

The TN panels can be a little cheaper, and the specs
are intended for gaming. The viewing angle is 170 degree H, 150 degree V,
whereas IPS is 178 degrees in both directions. Viewing angle means
the colors and intensity don't change appreciably until you hit that
angle. TN looks pretty bad off-axis, as anyone with a
cheap laptop knows.

21.4" 1920x1080 $109
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824236641

"Very fast response time. I been using this for Fallout 4 and
I didn't know it but it has a Crosshair button in the middle
of the screen you can enable and disable. Very sweet for
FPS games!!"

For many of these monitors, the first thing you do is turn
off dynamic contrast, which makes a mess of colors and
lighting. DCR is for movies.

That would be an example of a monitor at the low end.

You have to decide on how large a monitor to buy, and
depending on desk space, there might not be room for
a monster monitor.

23" TN panel 2ms GTG 1920 x 1080 $155
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16824236117

27" IPS panel 5ms GTG 1920 x 1080 178 degree viewing angle MX279H $240
http://www.amazon.com/MX279H-1920x10.../dp/B00B17C5KO

Now, on my desk, a 27" would be hanging off the side of the desk :-)
Not because the desk is small, but because other crap sits to the side
of the monitor.

The 1920x1080 is a comfortable size for gaming, with
fewer setup issues. If you buy a 4K monitor, then
setup is going to be *lots* of fun, as nothing
works right at 4K. Just getting the video card
interfaces right, is a chore.

*******

For gaming consoles, you might have to research elsewhere.
The age group here is not "centered" on such things.
I owned a console once... but it played Pong :-)

Paul

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On 2015-12-17 1:49 PM, Diesel wrote:
pjp
Tue, 15
Dec 2015 18:06:05 GMT in alt.windows7.general, wrote:

In article , lid
says...

My grandkid wants a "gaming" computer (and don't want to make
the same mistake again!).

Long ago, I bought a different grandchild a computer, which
turned out to not be able to run Call of Duty games he wanted
to play (and Target wouldn't even take the games back).

So I don't want to make both those mistakes again.

This time, I asked what games he wants to play, and he said
he'd like to play something called "fallout 4" which doesn't
apparently work on his playstation 3 we bought him a few years
ago.

What do I need to look for in a Windows laptop that will play
such games?

Basically MONEY

Especially a laptop as it has to come with the appropriate
hardware already in it. Given the laptop needs to be powerfull
that means lots of heat etc. The top of the line components and
design up's the cost considerably.

You're throwing your money away if you go for a gaming 'laptop'.
it's going to overheat and die prematurely. Laptops aren't gaming
rigs. You want to game and do it hardcore? the desktop/tower is
your buddy.

It'd be a lot cheaper and more surety he'll be happy with it if
you bought him a new Xbox360. The game itself is likely the same
price. Note - FallOut 4 is one of the latest "big" games and as
such needs top of the line pc hardware to run it respectably.
The Xbox also avoids the hassles associated with pc gaming, e.g.
incompatabilities and game won't run properly if at all.


ROFL. No, the xbox doesn't avoid incompatabilities. Do you actually
own one or know someone who does? If you did, you wouldn't have
written such sillyness. Xbox games require patches and updates,
too.

Xbox also requires a subscription to get those patches and updates.

Not a paying one. Patches are available to people who use Xbox Live
Silver.

connection. Don't forget a joystick for the pc although XBox
controllers can work but I don't know how or what else one might
need given I don't have one.

Don't do this with a laptop. Laptops were not meant to be abused in
such a way. I know, some people claim to sell 'gaming laptops'...
trust me though, that laptop is going to die a miserable death
when the gamer cooks it.

Mine is still running quite well since February.

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On 2015-12-17 1:49 PM, Diesel wrote:
Slimer Tue, 15 Dec 2015
18:33:32 GMT in alt.windows7.general, wrote:

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On 2015-12-15 1:09 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
Oscar wrote:

What do I need to look for in a Windows laptop that will play
such games?

A laptop is a bad choice for a gaming machine, it will cost
more to start with and have far fewer upgrade options in
future (possibly none).

Not true. Eurocom and MSI both make laptops which allow you to
upgrade your GPU. The GTX 970M in my MSI GT72 for instance can
be replaced if I am willing to pay for it though I don't see the
point since the GPU can play every game I throw at it in 1080p
with ultra settings. If a person is content with playing at
1080p, a gaming laptop purchased today should handle all content
for at least four years. It's only if you want to play at higher
resolutions that there are issues.

You aren't going to be sticking any PCI Express or PCI card you
like in that laptop. You have a few options in this case, sure, but
not much. You can't just goto a store buy a new video card and away
you go. Don't use a laptop for serious gaming. That laptop wasn't
really built for it and you will end it's life sooner by using it
for that. It's ill equipped to handle constant abuse and high run
times.

Considering how little time I actually spend playing games (compared
to the early days of the Xbox 360), I am not afraid of the unit dying
prematurely. Besides, it comes with a two-year warranty is something
goes wrong. If at year 3 or 4 it dies, I will simply buy another,
faster version. I intend to keep it for 5 though.


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Sorry about this. Get him a bottle of aftershave!

* It's a hell of a lot cheaper
* It'll get him out of the house
* He'll meet more people
* He'll make more friends
* He might meet a nice girl and thus
* Most importantly, he might start to enjoy himself!!!

jim

On Tue, 15 Dec 2015 17:34:37 -0000 (UTC), Oscar
wrote:

My grandkid wants a "gaming" computer (and don't want to make the
same mistake again!).

Don't let the grand kids sucker you into buying them things. They can
always tell a besotted grandpa and will weasel out of you all sorts of
things that cost money.

Get daddy to buy 'em junk 'n stuff!

A grandpa should finance the little darlings'
music/swimming/football/elocution/etiquette lessons and maybe buy them
a lottery ticket occasionally.

On 15/12/2015 12:34 PM, Oscar wrote:
My grandkid wants a "gaming" computer (and don't want to make the
same mistake again!).

Long ago, I bought a different grandchild a computer, which turned out to
not be able to run Call of Duty games he wanted to play (and Target
wouldn't even take the games back).

So I don't want to make both those mistakes again.

This time, I asked what games he wants to play, and he said he'd like
to play something called "fallout 4" which doesn't apparently work on
his playstation 3 we bought him a few years ago.

What do I need to look for in a Windows laptop that will play such games?

The biggest mistake you're going to make this time is to get a laptop.
Laptops aren't great for gaming, you should get him a desktop with a
high-end graphics card. Fallout 4's recommended system requirements are
ridiculous, you basically need to buy the highest of all components, and
there's no laptop in existence that'll fill that bill, even the gaming
laptops.

Fallout 4 system requirements | Can I Run Fallout 4
http://systemrequirementslab.com/cyr...t-4/12905/?p=a

Yousuf Khan

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On 2015-12-18 5:03 PM, Yousuf Khan wrote:
On 15/12/2015 12:34 PM, Oscar wrote:
My grandkid wants a "gaming" computer (and don't want to make the
same mistake again!).

Long ago, I bought a different grandchild a computer, which
turned out to not be able to run Call of Duty games he wanted to
play (and Target wouldn't even take the games back).

So I don't want to make both those mistakes again.

This time, I asked what games he wants to play, and he said he'd
like to play something called "fallout 4" which doesn't
apparently work on his playstation 3 we bought him a few years
ago.

What do I need to look for in a Windows laptop that will play
such games?

The biggest mistake you're going to make this time is to get a
laptop. Laptops aren't great for gaming, you should get him a
desktop with a high-end graphics card. Fallout 4's recommended
system requirements are ridiculous, you basically need to buy the
highest of all components, and there's no laptop in existence
that'll fill that bill, even the gaming laptops.

Fallout 4 system requirements | Can I Run Fallout 4
http://systemrequirementslab.com/cyr...ut-4/12905/?p=
a



Yousuf Khan

I _finished_ Fallout 4 on my gaming laptop. It is a MSI GT72 Q2Q
laptop that cost around $2k with a 970M GPU and a Core i7-4710HQ
processor. I ran Fallout 4 at ultra settings with 60FPS throughout.

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