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Is there any functionality the iTunes abomination does, for a dual-boot Win/Ubuntu PC that can't be done, better, WITHOUT iTunes?



 
 
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Old November 7th 19, 10:07 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,misc.phone.mobile.iphone,alt.os.linux
Arlen _G_ Holder
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Default Is there any functionality the iTunes abomination does, for a dual-boot Win/Ubuntu PC that can't be done, better, WITHOUT iTunes?

Is there any FUNCTIONALITY the iTunes abomination does, that you need, for
a dual-boot Win/Ubuntu PC that can't be done, better, WITHOUT iTunes?

The apologists over on m.p.m.i claim that a PC is actually "more
functional" with iTunes, than without iTunes altogether.
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.ipad/8ZdW46-uS4g/oOdED7AcAgAJ
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.ipad/8ZdW46-uS4g/X5-H5gIjAgAJ

Maybe that's the case; but my belief system is _based_ on facts.
o Not marketing bull****

And the facts are that I deleted the iTunes abomination long ago from my
Windows PCs, and I do whatever I need to do with the iOS devices with my
dual-boot Linux/Windows PC (e.g., the _entire_ non-jailbroken iPad's
visible file system is available to me (even system files), read and write,
over USB, as is the entire Windows & Linux file system, simultaneously, at
the same time, as is the entire Android file system (although, since
Android is unrooted, I can only read everything but not write to the system
partitions on Android).

Since I no longer use the iTunes abomination, I ask those who do...
Is there any FUNCTIONALITY the iTunes abomination does, that you need, for
a dual-boot Win/Ubuntu PC that can't be done, better, WITHOUT iTunes?

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Old November 8th 19, 12:07 AM posted to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.os.linux
*Hemidactylus*[_2_]
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Default Is there any functionality the iTunes abomination does,for a dual-boot Win/Ubuntu PC that can't be done, better, WITHOUTiTunes?

Arlen _G_ Holder wrote:
Is there any FUNCTIONALITY the iTunes abomination does, that you need, for
a dual-boot Win/Ubuntu PC that can't be done, better, WITHOUT iTunes?

The apologists over on m.p.m.i claim that a PC is actually "more
functional" with iTunes, than without iTunes altogether.
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.ipad/8ZdW46-uS4g/oOdED7AcAgAJ
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.ipad/8ZdW46-uS4g/X5-H5gIjAgAJ

Maybe that's the case; but my belief system is _based_ on facts.
o Not marketing bull****

And the facts are that I deleted the iTunes abomination long ago from my
Windows PCs, and I do whatever I need to do with the iOS devices with my
dual-boot Linux/Windows PC (e.g., the _entire_ non-jailbroken iPad's
visible file system is available to me (even system files), read and write,
over USB, as is the entire Windows & Linux file system, simultaneously, at
the same time, as is the entire Android file system (although, since
Android is unrooted, I can only read everything but not write to the system
partitions on Android).

Since I no longer use the iTunes abomination, I ask those who do...
Is there any FUNCTIONALITY the iTunes abomination does, that you need, for
a dual-boot Win/Ubuntu PC that can't be done, better, WITHOUT iTunes?

Years ago I found the music streaming availability on iTunes with all the
genres useful. But I do recall something about Bonjour and its zeroconf
stuff being chatty over a network which was being logged by my software
firewall and was disconcerting until I figured out that was just more
expressed functionality.

  #3  
Old November 8th 19, 02:01 AM posted to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.os.linux
Arlen _G_ Holder
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Default Is there any functionality the iTunes abomination does, for a dual-boot Win/Ubuntu PC that can't be done, better, WITHOUT iTunes?

On Thu, 07 Nov 2019 17:07:55 -0600, *Hemidactylus* wrote:

Years ago I found the music streaming availability on iTunes with all the
genres useful. But I do recall something about Bonjour and its zeroconf
stuff being chatty over a network which was being logged by my software
firewall and was disconcerting until I figured out that was just more
expressed functionality.


Hi Hemidactylus,

All I ever care about, are the facts of the matter.

Thanks for that input on what, possibly, iTunes can do for a user, for
free, on a PC that the user wants to do, and which the user can't already
do better, without the iTunes freeware installed.
o It seems there are so many ways to 'listen to' music it's not funny.

I'm not a big music fan, but I've learned over the years that MARKETING has
a field day "providing ready-made solutions" to common needs, for people
who don't want to think all that much (e.g., data backup & recovery, DVD
ripping & burner software, snapshot & image editors, music & video players,
video & music downloaders, etc.).

In addition, I'm not sure what you exactly mean by "music streaming", where
maybe others who use iTunes for "music streaming" can expound; but I
generally quite easily freely download any music I want sans iTunes to
store, and play, on my iPods, iPads, Android devices, hard drives, flash
drives (anything in fact, that stores data), or PC.

Once downloaded (which is all automatic), I can freely "play music".

Personally, I don't "stream music" (why bother streaming when downloading
is essentially automatic anyway?), where I googled how Windows or Linux
would freely "stream music" sans iTunes.

This first hit shows 14 free Linux/Windows open-source music servers
https://www.how2shout.com/tools/best-open-source-free-music-server-software.html
1. Plex
2. Emby Server
3. Subsonic
4. Ampache ˇV Music Streaming Server
5. Madsonic
6. Airsonic
7. Serviio
8. Daphile- Dedicated Headless Music Server
9. VortexBox music server distro
10. Icecast
11. Mopidy
12. Sockso
13. Jinzora
14. Music Player Daemon

8 Free & Best Open source Video Streaming Servers Software
https://www.how2shout.com/tools/free-best-open-source-video-streaming-servers-software.html
1. Red5 Open source media server
2. MistServer Open Source
3. Kurento Media server
4. StreamhashˇV Netflix Clone Free Lite version
5. Clipbucket: Enterprise OpenSource Video Broadcasting Solution
6. Plex Media Server
7. openflixr 2
8. Opencast


6 of the Best Free Linux Music Servers
https://www.linuxlinks.com/musicservers/
1. Sockso, Personal music server for everyone
2. Jinzora, Web based media streaming and management system
3. Subsonic, Web based media streamer and jukebox
4. Icecast, Ogg Vorbis and MP3 streaming media server
5. Music Player Daemon, Server-side application for playing music
6. Firefly Media Server Media Server for the Roku SoundBridge and iTunes

9 Best music server software options: Build your own Spotify
1. Plex
2. Subsonic
3. Madsonic
4. Ampache
5. Mopidy
6. Serviio
7. Playon
8. Airsonic
9. Libresonic

The Best Sites for Streaming Free Music
https://www.howtogeek.com/365820/the-best-sites-for-streaming-free-music/
1. Spotify
2. Pandora
3. Google Play Music
4. iHeartRadio
5. SoundCloud
6. SHOUTcast
7. AccuRadio
8. Last.fm

As you can imagine, these lists went on and on (and on), where I would like
to ask someone who "streams music" what iTunes does for them on a typical
dual-boot PC that they can't do better WITHOUT iTunes with respect to
"streaming music"?

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  #4  
Old November 8th 19, 02:15 AM posted to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.os.linux
*Hemidactylus*[_2_]
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Default Is there any functionality the iTunes abomination does,for a dual-boot Win/Ubuntu PC that can't be done, better, WITHOUTiTunes?

Arlen _G_ Holder wrote:
On Thu, 07 Nov 2019 17:07:55 -0600, *Hemidactylus* wrote:

Years ago I found the music streaming availability on iTunes with all the
genres useful. But I do recall something about Bonjour and its zeroconf
stuff being chatty over a network which was being logged by my software
firewall and was disconcerting until I figured out that was just more
expressed functionality.


Hi Hemidactylus,

All I ever care about, are the facts of the matter.

Thanks for that input on what, possibly, iTunes can do for a user, for
free, on a PC that the user wants to do, and which the user can't already
do better, without the iTunes freeware installed.
o It seems there are so many ways to 'listen to' music it's not funny.

I'm not a big music fan, but I've learned over the years that MARKETING has
a field day "providing ready-made solutions" to common needs, for people
who don't want to think all that much (e.g., data backup & recovery, DVD
ripping & burner software, snapshot & image editors, music & video players,
video & music downloaders, etc.).

In addition, I'm not sure what you exactly mean by "music streaming", where
maybe others who use iTunes for "music streaming" can expound; but I
generally quite easily freely download any music I want sans iTunes to
store, and play, on my iPods, iPads, Android devices, hard drives, flash
drives (anything in fact, that stores data), or PC.

Once downloaded (which is all automatic), I can freely "play music".

Personally, I don't "stream music" (why bother streaming when downloading
is essentially automatic anyway?), where I googled how Windows or Linux
would freely "stream music" sans iTunes.

This first hit shows 14 free Linux/Windows open-source music servers
https://www.how2shout.com/tools/best-open-source-free-music-server-software.html
1. Plex
2. Emby Server
3. Subsonic
4. Ampache ¡V Music Streaming Server
5. Madsonic
6. Airsonic
7. Serviio
8. Daphile- Dedicated Headless Music Server
9. VortexBox music server distro
10. Icecast
11. Mopidy
12. Sockso
13. Jinzora
14. Music Player Daemon

8 Free & Best Open source Video Streaming Servers Software
https://www.how2shout.com/tools/free-best-open-source-video-streaming-servers-software.html
1. Red5 Open source media server
2. MistServer Open Source
3. Kurento Media server
4. Streamhash¡V Netflix Clone Free Lite version
5. Clipbucket: Enterprise OpenSource Video Broadcasting Solution
6. Plex Media Server
7. openflixr 2
8. Opencast


6 of the Best Free Linux Music Servers
https://www.linuxlinks.com/musicservers/
1. Sockso, Personal music server for everyone
2. Jinzora, Web based media streaming and management system
3. Subsonic, Web based media streamer and jukebox
4. Icecast, Ogg Vorbis and MP3 streaming media server
5. Music Player Daemon, Server-side application for playing music
6. Firefly Media Server Media Server for the Roku SoundBridge and iTunes

9 Best music server software options: Build your own Spotify
1. Plex
2. Subsonic
3. Madsonic
4. Ampache
5. Mopidy
6. Serviio
7. Playon
8. Airsonic
9. Libresonic

The Best Sites for Streaming Free Music
https://www.howtogeek.com/365820/the-best-sites-for-streaming-free-music/
1. Spotify
2. Pandora
3. Google Play Music
4. iHeartRadio
5. SoundCloud
6. SHOUTcast
7. AccuRadio
8. Last.fm

As you can imagine, these lists went on and on (and on), where I would like
to ask someone who "streams music" what iTunes does for them on a typical
dual-boot PC that they can't do better WITHOUT iTunes with respect to
"streaming music"?

We are talking almost a decade ago but iTunes had oodles of content
available and I liked it. I don’t give a flying **** how that processes in
your ****ed up festering ****-tank you call a brain. Pandora always seemed
a silly waste of time when I have Youtube. Soundcloud is cool for limited
interest esoteric stuff. I’d rather be shot in the skull by a rusty bail
gun than stoop to Google Play Music whatever the **** that is. Sounds
horrible.

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Old November 8th 19, 02:24 AM posted to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.os.linux
Arlen _G_ Holder
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Default Is there any functionality the iTunes abomination does, for a dual-boot Win/Ubuntu PC that can't be done, better, WITHOUT iTunes?

On Thu, 07 Nov 2019 17:07:55 -0600, *Hemidactylus* wrote:

But I do recall something about Bonjour and its zeroconf
stuff being chatty over a network which was being logged by my software
firewall and was disconcerting until I figured out that was just more
expressed functionality.


Hi Hemidactylus,

Regarding Bonjour, bear in mind that my PCs have no problem reading and
writing to the entire visible iOS file system (even down to viewing system
files) without need for _any_ extra software other than what's _native_ for
free on the original OS as installed.

Basically, you plug the iPad into the PC and the iPad becomes a USB stick.
o For free. With no additional software other than the installed native OS.

As for "Bonjour", the first thing we have to warn people about is that
Apple never tested the iTunes amalgamation, which was proven in spades
recently, detailed here, so, just installing iTunes is a security risk.
o A zero-day vulnerability in iCloud and iTunes on Windows PCs allowed hackers to install ransomware undetected.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/xVu_O8Qeyss

In that situation, you're better off WITHOUT Bonjour, than with it; but
let's see what Bonjour does for us, as, well, how many people don't know
that Quicktime, for example, was 'enforced' which is a classic hallmark of
patently unnecessary bloatware, where I always removed it when I could.

Worse, as I recall, none of this additional bloatware that came with the
Windows iTunes ever respected your request of where to put it, which is,
again, clearly the mark of untested software & sophomoric coding standards.

o Slimming down the bloated iTunes installer
https://www.zdnet.com/article/slimming-down-the-bloated-itunes-installer/
"How do you supersize a simple music manager? Ask Apple. The Windows
version of iTunes ...[includes] kernel-mode drivers, multiple system
services, and at least one add-in. It takes a supersize helping of chutzpah
to create an ad that criticizes Windows for its "bloat" and then deliver an
upgrade with as much unnecessary junk as this one. If you're like most
people, you don't need any of that additional junk."

o The unofficial guide to installing iTunes without bloatware
https://www.zdnet.com/article/the-unofficial-guide-to-installing-itunes-10-without-bloatware/

o Avoid iTunes Bloat With the Windows Store Version
https://www.howtogeek.com/352307/avoid-itunes-bloat-with-the-windows-store-version/

o Step-by-Step Guide to Installing iTunes Without Extra Bloatware
https://www.howtogeek.com/howto/28727/how-to-install-itunes-without-extra-bloat/

o How to Install iTunes without Bloatware
https://geekermag.com/install-itunes-without-bloatware-windows-10/

o Do I really need Bonjour on Windows?
https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/45765/do-i-really-need-bonjour-on-windows

o How to remove extra iTunes components
https://www.ghacks.net/2017/06/12/how-to-remove-extra-itunes-components-on-windows/

o What is Bonjour
https://www.shouldiremoveit.com/Bonjour-5056-program.aspx

Bonjour is Apple's implementation of the open-source Zeroconf, a multicast
DNS responder used to discover services on a local area network. It's
installed by default with the iTunes download and also installed silently
with some Adobe products, a decision that "freaked out" some Adobe
customers. Adding unauthorized peer-to-peer services on a corporate network
is a distinct no-no, as a number of customers have told Apple on their
support forums. (The response? Crickets.) If you want to share iTunes
libraries over a network or use Apple TV, you need Bonjour. If you have a
printer attached to an AirPort device, you should use Bonjour. However, if
you simply want to play media files and sync your iTunes library with your
iPod, you don't need Bonjour. (And Photoshop users can safely remove it as
well unless they have a Version Cue server on their network.)

Apple installs a _lot_ more unnecessary bloatware with iTunes, but since
you only brought up Bonjour, it seems to be, upon quick inspection, a
completely unnecessary, unwanted, probably proprietary Apple implementation
of an existing open standard that likely works far better WITHOUT Bonjour,
than with Bonjour.

Do others who know more than I do about Bonjour concur with this quick
assessment of the "value" of Bonjour, over NOT having Bonjour, to a typical
user who just wants to 'stream music', as Hemidactylus stated?

--
Usenet is where adults share useful tidbits of technical information.
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Old November 8th 19, 02:50 AM posted to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.os.linux
Arlen _G_ Holder
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Default Is there any functionality the iTunes abomination does, for a dual-boot Win/Ubuntu PC that can't be done, better, WITHOUT iTunes?

On Thu, 07 Nov 2019 19:15:39 -0600, *Hemidactylus* wrote:

We are talking almost a decade ago but iTunes had oodles of content
available and I liked it. I don˘t give a flying **** how that processes in
your ****ed up festering ****-tank you call a brain. Pandora always seemed
a silly waste of time when I have Youtube. Soundcloud is cool for limited
interest esoteric stuff. I˘d rather be shot in the skull by a rusty bail
gun than stoop to Google Play Music whatever the **** that is. Sounds
horrible.


Hi Hemidactylus,

Adults can do two things, which are important for adults to master:
a. Adults comprehend facts;
b. Adults assess those facts using logic and reason (i.e., sense).

You expressed the opinion that iTunes is, somehow better, for "streaming
music", than a PC that does NOT have iTunes installed, where I'm fleshing
out your stated belief system for you (and for others to add value).

I don't use Pandora, but Googling for free replacements, I find there are
almost too many to easily list, where this article is the first hit:
o 20 best alternatives to Pandora
https://www.slant.co/options/17/alternatives/~pandora-alternatives
1. Spotify
2. Radio4000
3. SoundCloud
4. MixCloud
5. Googe Play Music
6. 8 Tracks
7. Slacker Radio
8. Last.fm
9. Digitally Imported (DI.fm)
10. YouTube
11. Tidal
12. Deezer Music
13. Bandcamp
14. Great.dj
15. Upbeat
16. TuneIn Radio
17. Anghami
18. Qobuz
19. Hype Machine
20. Amazon Music Unlimited

o 10 new Pandora alternatives for listening, sharing and organizing Music
http://www.techacker.com/10-new-pandora-alternatives-for-listening-sharing-and-organizing-music/
1. Spotify
2. Google Music
3. Sony Music Unlimited
4. Rdio
5. MOG
6. Gaana.com
7. Exfm (deprecated)
8. Dhingana
9. We are Hunted
10. Grooveshark

Given you don't like Pandora or Google, and that you find YouTube
apparently sufficient, I wonder if you know that you can download and play
anything on youtube, always sans ads, always for free, simply by feeding a
playlist to a decent platform independent downloader?

Given this, it seems, to me, upon inspection and quick analysis, you have
far more "music streaming" functionality on a PC that does NOT have iTunes,
for streaming anyway, than with a PC where you're forced to use iTunes (for
streaming anyway).

Do others concur, who use iTunes, on a PC, that the "streaming music"
functionality is greater WITHOUT iTunes, than if you're forced to use
iTunes?

--
Adults comprehend facts and then make sensible logical assessments of them.
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Old November 8th 19, 03:33 AM posted to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.os.linux
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Default Is there any functionality the iTunes abomination does, for a dual-boot Win/Ubuntu PC that can't be done, better, WITHOUT iTunes?

In article , Arlen _G_ Holder
wrote:

In addition, I'm not sure what you exactly mean by "music streaming",


then you're not very smart.

where
maybe others who use iTunes for "music streaming" can expound; but I
generally quite easily freely download any music I want sans iTunes to
store, and play, on my iPods, iPads, Android devices, hard drives, flash
drives (anything in fact, that stores data), or PC.


otherwise known as piracy.
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Old November 8th 19, 03:57 AM posted to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.os.linux
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Default Is there any functionality the iTunes abomination does, for a dual-boot Win/Ubuntu PC that can't be done, better, WITHOUT iTunes?

On Thu, 07 Nov 2019 17:07:55 -0600, *Hemidactylus* wrote:

But I do recall something about Bonjour and its zeroconf
stuff being chatty over a network which was being logged by my software
firewall and was disconcerting until I figured out that was just more
expressed functionality.


Hi Hemidactylus,

Adults do two things which are important:
a. Adults comprehend facts;
b. Adults assess those facts (using logic, and reason).

Regarding having more functionality WITHOUT Bonjour, than with it,
Linux has no problem "seeing" an iPad for both read & write to and from the
entire iOS visible file system (even down to system files) where this
thread is always about unjailbroken devices.

Basically, you plug the iPad into the PC and the iPad becomes a USB stick.
o For free. With no additional software other than the installed native OS.

As for "Bonjour", the first thing we have to warn people about is that
Apple never tested the iTunes amalgamation, which was proven in spades
recently, detailed here, so, just installing iTunes is a security risk.
o A zero-day vulnerability in iCloud and iTunes on Windows PCs allowed
hackers to install ransomware undetected.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/xVu_O8Qeyss

In that situation, you're better off WITHOUT Bonjour, than with it; but
let's see what Bonjour does for us, as, well, how many people don't know
that Quicktime, for example, was 'enforced' which is a classic hallmark of
patently unnecessary bloatware, where I always removed it when I could.

Worse, as I recall, none of this additional bloatware that came with the
Windows iTunes ever respected your request of where to put it, which is,
again, clearly the mark of untested software & sophomoric coding standards.

o Slimming down the bloated iTunes installer
https://www.zdnet.com/article/slimming-down-the-bloated-itunes-installer/
"How do you supersize a simple music manager? Ask Apple. The Windows
version of iTunes ...[includes] kernel-mode drivers, multiple system
services, and at least one add-in. It takes a supersize helping of chutzpah
to create an ad that criticizes Windows for its "bloat" and then deliver an
upgrade with as much unnecessary junk as this one. If you're like most
people, you don't need any of that additional junk."

o The unofficial guide to installing iTunes without bloatware
https://www.zdnet.com/article/the-unofficial-guide-to-installing-itunes-10-without-bloatware/

o Avoid iTunes Bloat With the Windows Store Version
https://www.howtogeek.com/352307/avoid-itunes-bloat-with-the-windows-store-version/

o Step-by-Step Guide to Installing iTunes Without Extra Bloatware
https://www.howtogeek.com/howto/28727/how-to-install-itunes-without-extra-bloat/

o How to Install iTunes without Bloatware
https://geekermag.com/install-itunes-without-bloatware-windows-10/

o Do I really need Bonjour on Windows?
https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/45765/do-i-really-need-bonjour-on-windows

o How to remove extra iTunes components
https://www.ghacks.net/2017/06/12/how-to-remove-extra-itunes-components-on-windows/

o What is Bonjour
https://www.shouldiremoveit.com/Bonjour-5056-program.aspx

Bonjour is Apple's implementation of the open-source Zeroconf, a multicast
DNS responder used to discover services on a local area network. It's
installed by default with the iTunes download and also installed silently
with some Adobe products, a decision that "freaked out" some Adobe
customers. Adding unauthorized peer-to-peer services on a corporate network
is a distinct no-no, as a number of customers have told Apple on their
support forums. (The response? Crickets.) If you want to share iTunes
libraries over a network or use Apple TV, you need Bonjour. If you have a
printer attached to an AirPort device, you should use Bonjour. However, if
you simply want to play media files and sync your iTunes library with your
iPod, you don't need Bonjour. (And Photoshop users can safely remove it as
well unless they have a Version Cue server on their network.)

Apple installs a _lot_ more unnecessary bloatware with iTunes, but since
you only brought up Bonjour, it seems to be, upon quick inspection, a
completely unnecessary, unwanted, probably proprietary Apple implementation
of an existing open standard that likely works far better WITHOUT Bonjour,
than with Bonjour.

Do others who know more than I do about Bonjour concur with this quick
assessment of the "value" of Bonjour, over NOT having Bonjour, to a typical
user who just wants to 'stream music', as Hemidactylus stated?

--
Usenet is where adults share useful tidbits of technical information.
  #9  
Old November 9th 19, 12:24 AM posted to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.os.linux
*Hemidactylus*[_2_]
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Default Is there any functionality the iTunes abomination does,for a dual-boot Win/Ubuntu PC that can't be done, better, WITHOUTiTunes?

Arlen _G_ Holder wrote:
On Thu, 07 Nov 2019 17:07:55 -0600, *Hemidactylus* wrote:

But I do recall something about Bonjour and its zeroconf
stuff being chatty over a network which was being logged by my software
firewall and was disconcerting until I figured out that was just more
expressed functionality.


Hi Hemidactylus,

Adults do two things which are important:
a. Adults comprehend facts;
b. Adults assess those facts (using logic, and reason).

Regarding having more functionality WITHOUT Bonjour, than with it,
Linux has no problem "seeing" an iPad for both read & write to and from the
entire iOS visible file system (even down to system files) where this
thread is always about unjailbroken devices.

Basically, you plug the iPad into the PC and the iPad becomes a USB stick.
o For free. With no additional software other than the installed native OS.

As for "Bonjour", the first thing we have to warn people about is that
Apple never tested the iTunes amalgamation, which was proven in spades
recently, detailed here, so, just installing iTunes is a security risk.
o A zero-day vulnerability in iCloud and iTunes on Windows PCs allowed
hackers to install ransomware undetected.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/xVu_O8Qeyss

In that situation, you're better off WITHOUT Bonjour, than with it; but
let's see what Bonjour does for us, as, well, how many people don't know
that Quicktime, for example, was 'enforced' which is a classic hallmark of
patently unnecessary bloatware, where I always removed it when I could.

Worse, as I recall, none of this additional bloatware that came with the
Windows iTunes ever respected your request of where to put it, which is,
again, clearly the mark of untested software & sophomoric coding standards.

o Slimming down the bloated iTunes installer
https://www.zdnet.com/article/slimming-down-the-bloated-itunes-installer/
"How do you supersize a simple music manager? Ask Apple. The Windows
version of iTunes ...[includes] kernel-mode drivers, multiple system
services, and at least one add-in. It takes a supersize helping of chutzpah
to create an ad that criticizes Windows for its "bloat" and then deliver an
upgrade with as much unnecessary junk as this one. If you're like most
people, you don't need any of that additional junk."

o The unofficial guide to installing iTunes without bloatware
https://www.zdnet.com/article/the-unofficial-guide-to-installing-itunes-10-without-bloatware/

o Avoid iTunes Bloat With the Windows Store Version
https://www.howtogeek.com/352307/avoid-itunes-bloat-with-the-windows-store-version/

o Step-by-Step Guide to Installing iTunes Without Extra Bloatware
https://www.howtogeek.com/howto/28727/how-to-install-itunes-without-extra-bloat/

o How to Install iTunes without Bloatware
https://geekermag.com/install-itunes-without-bloatware-windows-10/

o Do I really need Bonjour on Windows?
https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/45765/do-i-really-need-bonjour-on-windows

o How to remove extra iTunes components
https://www.ghacks.net/2017/06/12/how-to-remove-extra-itunes-components-on-windows/

o What is Bonjour
https://www.shouldiremoveit.com/Bonjour-5056-program.aspx

Bonjour is Apple's implementation of the open-source Zeroconf, a multicast
DNS responder used to discover services on a local area network. It's
installed by default with the iTunes download and also installed silently
with some Adobe products, a decision that "freaked out" some Adobe
customers. Adding unauthorized peer-to-peer services on a corporate network
is a distinct no-no, as a number of customers have told Apple on their
support forums. (The response? Crickets.) If you want to share iTunes
libraries over a network or use Apple TV, you need Bonjour. If you have a
printer attached to an AirPort device, you should use Bonjour. However, if
you simply want to play media files and sync your iTunes library with your
iPod, you don't need Bonjour. (And Photoshop users can safely remove it as
well unless they have a Version Cue server on their network.)

Apple installs a _lot_ more unnecessary bloatware with iTunes, but since
you only brought up Bonjour, it seems to be, upon quick inspection, a
completely unnecessary, unwanted, probably proprietary Apple implementation
of an existing open standard that likely works far better WITHOUT Bonjour,
than with Bonjour.

Do others who know more than I do about Bonjour concur with this quick
assessment of the "value" of Bonjour, over NOT having Bonjour, to a typical
user who just wants to 'stream music', as Hemidactylus stated?

TLDR. Adults know how to best prioritize their time. Replying to you shows
a flaw of immaturity on my part. Grownups have you kill-filtered.

  #10  
Old November 9th 19, 12:48 AM posted to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.os.linux
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Default Is there any functionality the iTunes abomination does, for adual-boot Win/Ubuntu PC that can't be done, better, WITHOUT iTunes?

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Arlen _G_ Holder wrote:
On Thu, 07 Nov 2019 17:07:55 -0600, *Hemidactylus* wrote:

But I do recall something about Bonjour and its zeroconf
stuff being chatty over a network which was being logged by my software
firewall and was disconcerting until I figured out that was just more
expressed functionality.


Hi Hemidactylus,

Adults do two things which are important:

TLDR. Adults know how to best prioritize their time. Replying to you shows
a flaw of immaturity on my part. Grownups have you kill-filtered.


The second thing being posting to relevant groups (this is not an
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Old November 10th 19, 06:07 PM posted to misc.phone.mobile.iphone,alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.os.linux
Arlen _G_ Holder
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Default Is there any functionality the iTunes abomination does, for a dual-boot Win/Ubuntu PC that can't be done, better, WITHOUT iTunes?

I realize it's a hard pill to swallow ... but...

Adults do two things which are important:
a. Adults comprehend facts;
b. Adults assess those facts (using logic and reason).

You have _more_ functionality without iTunes installed, than with.

If there was something useful that iTunes did, someone could mention it.

And we can discuss it, like adults do; but so far, if "streaming" is all
that iTunes does, then you can certainly do better without iTunes.
  #12  
Old January 30th 20, 04:33 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,misc.phone.mobile.iphone,alt.os.linux
Arlen Holder[_6_]
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Default Is there any functionality the iTunes abomination does, for a dual-boot Win/Ubuntu PC that can't be done, better, WITHOUT iTunes?

UPDATE:
o Key lessons learned using iTunes on Windows today...
"If I ever update iPadOS again, I'll do it over the air,
not via the [Windows] computer [with iTunes]!"

A recent related discussion today came about on the iOS newsgroups:
o iOS v12.4.5 & iPadOS v13.3.1 are out!
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.ipad/N2mr-p87bAw/DhK0P35nEgAJ
"Well, I tried to update my iPad Pro to iPadOS 13.3.1, and it's failed.
I did it via iTunes on my PC"

Where Apple purportedly walked that Windows/iOS user through wiping out an
errant iTunes installation, and, reputedly, having that hapless iOS user
install iTunes from the Windows Store.

Recliner:
"iTunes doesn't detect the iPad."
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.ipad/N2mr-p87bAw/KyEQJGdoEgAJ

Recliner:
"I've tried two different cables, using different USB sockets on the PC"
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.ipad/N2mr-p87bAw/AfuO7vhsEgAJ

Recliner:
"Now sorted, after a long phone session with senior Apple support and
linking to me PC. Had to completely remove iTunes from my PC (which
meant removing about six separate products), install it again from the
Microsoft store, update a device driver, and completely restore the
iPad Pro from scratch, going back to the initial Hello screen.

I've learned my lesson: in future, if I ever update iPadOS again, I'll
do it over the air, not via the computer! "

Recliner:
"Apple Support specifically got me to go through the slow, complex process
of removing all the components that Apple had installed when I downloaded
from the Apple web site, and replace them with the single, much cleaner
install from the Microsoft store. And that version does indeed work
better. Perhaps Microsoft actually does know more about installing software
on a Windows computer than Apple does? Who'd have imagined it?"
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.ipad/N2mr-p87bAw/t2oZdeN-EgAJ

See also:
o *The rise and fall of iTunes, Apple's most hated app*
https://www.theverge.com/2019/6/3/18650571/apple-itunes-rip-discontinued-macos-10-15-ipod-store-digital-music-wwdc-2019

"Windows 10 users would search for iTunes so much in the Windows Store
that Microsoft eventually convinced Apple to bring it to the store last
year. Over the years, however, Apple˘s original philosophy of providing a
one-stop shop for all your media became iTunes˘ greatest undoing by
saddling the app with more and more baggage that˘s eaten away at its
usability. The world has moved on as ubiquitous connectivity, cloud
storage, and streaming media became the norm. iTunes is still around as a
legacy app for those who need it. But for everyone else, iTunes is now
officially a thing of the past."

"Few will mourn the passing of the bloated mess that iTunes has become."
--
At times there is more functionality & safety without apps, than with them.
  #13  
Old January 30th 20, 04:35 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,misc.phone.mobile.iphone,alt.os.linux
Arlen Trolder
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Arlen Holder wrote:

::translated::

"I have not received any feeding from this thread for four long months.
I will now bump this thread in an attempt to restart the feeding.

Just like I do in many of my other 'bait line' threads."

  #14  
Old January 30th 20, 06:52 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,misc.phone.mobile.iphone,alt.os.linux
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In article , Arlen Holder
wrote:

o *The rise and fall of Arlen Holder, Usenet's most hated troll*


ftfy
  #15  
Old January 31st 20, 12:58 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,misc.phone.mobile.iphone,alt.os.linux
Arlen Holder[_6_]
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Default Is there any functionality the iTunes abomination does, for a dual-boot Win/Ubuntu PC that can't be done, better, WITHOUT iTunes?

On Thu, 30 Jan 2020 12:52:47 -0500, nospam wrote:

In article , Arlen Holder
wrote:

o *The rise and fall of Arlen Holder, Usenet's most hated troll*


ftfy


Apologists, like nospam, prove to have only 7 responses to fact.
o None of them adult.

o What are the common well-verified psychological traits of the Apple Apologists on this newsgroup?
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/18ARDsEOPzM

Meanwhile, sobriquet, an adult, posted FACTS just now on the topic:
o Adults can _read_ the cites below for the facts apologists are immune to.

Question from Recliner (an Apple apologist):
*How else do you suggest I back up my iPads to my Windows PC?*
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.ipad/N2mr-p87bAw/vR8tu2K4EgAJ

Answer from sobriquet (an actual adult):
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.ipad/N2mr-p87bAw/BXetYgodAgAJ

*There is no such thing as a backup in case of an ipad.*

For instance, you might have an app that works on a particular
version of iOS and you make a 'backup' of the ipad. Then you later
update the iOS version and it turns out that the app doesn't work
with that new version of iOS.
Now there is no way to get back to that previous version of
iOS, because apple doesn't allow downgrading of iOS. So there
is no way to create a reliable backup that would allow you to
get back to a previous situation with an older version of iOS
where you would still be able to use the app that only works
with the older version of iOS.

The only thing you can do is ensure you have a copy of any
files you transfer to the ipad, but that is not reliable in case
of app files, since upgrades of iOS can make those app files
unusable.
The only reliable kind of backup you can have is of media files
(like jpgs, mp3s, mp4s, etc..).

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