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  #166  
Old November 11th 19, 04:56 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
Rene Lamontagne
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On 2019-11-11 7:28 a.m., nospam wrote:
In article , VanguardLH
wrote:

I've yet to see a car mechanic at the shop whine about what choices
their customers made for brand and model of car. They get paid to work
on whatever car the customer has.


they might not whine directly to the customer, but they definitely
whine and in many cases, will refuse to work on certain makes/models.


I was an automotive mechanic in my young days and had my own shop for
about 10 years.
I gladly worked on anything that came on the lot, from lawn mowers, any
car or truck from Issetta 3 wheel car to Kenworth diesel road tractors
and everything in between no matter what brand, Even brands that only
the dealers serviced.
VW, NSU Prinze, Volvo, Issetta, Rolls Royce and many others.
I never complained as it fed me and my family and was also good learning
experience.

Rene

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  #167  
Old November 11th 19, 05:57 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
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In article , Rene Lamontagne
wrote:

I've yet to see a car mechanic at the shop whine about what choices
their customers made for brand and model of car. They get paid to work
on whatever car the customer has.


they might not whine directly to the customer, but they definitely
whine and in many cases, will refuse to work on certain makes/models.


I was an automotive mechanic in my young days and had my own shop for
about 10 years.
I gladly worked on anything that came on the lot, from lawn mowers, any
car or truck from Issetta 3 wheel car to Kenworth diesel road tractors
and everything in between no matter what brand, Even brands that only
the dealers serviced.
VW, NSU Prinze, Volvo, Issetta, Rolls Royce and many others.
I never complained as it fed me and my family and was also good learning
experience.


i'm sure you dreaded certain makes/models that required a lot more
effort to do simple repairs.

there are a lot of vehicles that have incredibly ****ed up designs,
including lifting the engine for routine maintenance, and you can be
sure that mechanics are not happy when they see one come in. they're
also usually excluded from any discounts or fixed price repairs because
of the additional work involved.
  #168  
Old November 11th 19, 06:12 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
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On 2019-11-11 10:57 a.m., nospam wrote:
In article , Rene Lamontagne
wrote:

I've yet to see a car mechanic at the shop whine about what choices
their customers made for brand and model of car. They get paid to work
on whatever car the customer has.

they might not whine directly to the customer, but they definitely
whine and in many cases, will refuse to work on certain makes/models.


I was an automotive mechanic in my young days and had my own shop for
about 10 years.
I gladly worked on anything that came on the lot, from lawn mowers, any
car or truck from Issetta 3 wheel car to Kenworth diesel road tractors
and everything in between no matter what brand, Even brands that only
the dealers serviced.
VW, NSU Prinze, Volvo, Issetta, Rolls Royce and many others.
I never complained as it fed me and my family and was also good learning
experience.


i'm sure you dreaded certain makes/models that required a lot more
effort to do simple repairs.

there are a lot of vehicles that have incredibly ****ed up designs,
including lifting the engine for routine maintenance, and you can be
sure that mechanics are not happy when they see one come in. they're
also usually excluded from any discounts or fixed price repairs because
of the additional work involved.


No,didn't dread any challenge but back then we charged according to
Chiltons labor manuals where each job on all makes where allotted a
certain charge time so if you had to pull the engine for a certain job
that was included in the charge time.

Rene
  #169  
Old November 11th 19, 09:25 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
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T wrote:

On 11/11/19 3:54 AM, VanguardLH wrote:
T wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:

So why did you get new hardware that doesn't support your old
hardware?

I will give you three guesses!

How did you get loose?


If your customers are making their own choices, and they don't give a
gnat's fart about their paid consultant's opinions (i.e., yours), they
are paying you to support their choices, and you choose to remain
employed by them, then stop whining about making an income on their
choices.

I've yet to see a car mechanic at the shop whine about what choices
their customers made for brand and model of car. They get paid to work
on whatever car the customer has. If your customers made perfect
choices as you profess they should, they wouldn't need you and you'd be
collecting welfare or living with your parents and having them feed you.

Hmm, they're paying you to be their consultant, but they don't listen to
you. That might be a clue as to whether they really want you working
for them. Seems a waste of their money to pay you when they don't care
about what you recommend.

I've yet to see any customer that had a perfect setup when you show up
after they hire you. Ever have a sysadmin job at a corporate site?


You were not there. I gave no details other than the spec
on the label printer. I did not tell anyone the outcome
or what I did. I made no mention of the custmer's reaction.
Yet you seems to know. How is that?

WHO UNTIED YOU ????


You did when you mentioned old printers not having the necessary
hardware on a new PC, and old but critical software that won't on a
later version of the OS. Then you overtly asked me to guess. If you
cannot retain the train of thought in a subthread, reread it before
replying.
  #170  
Old November 12th 19, 12:51 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , T writes:
On 11/9/19 12:37 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , T writes:
[]
Four quick tips on calming 10 down:

1) NVMe drive
Would you care to explain, in words a bear of little brain might
understand, why that helps? (Probably starting with "what is an NVMe
drive - is it something new, or something old?")


Hi John,

Certainly!

An NVMe drive, is a little module about 3/4" by 4"
that fits directly into your motherboard that
substitutes for a mechanical hard drive. NVMe
drives are currently the fastest a form of SSD
(solid state) drive.


Got it (see previous post). I'm still wary of SSDs, though on
increasingly unjustifiable grounds (if I backup properly).


No reason to be. SSDs are at least as reliable as HDDs. The only reason to
get HDDs is for very large capacity dives e.g backup.




[Will Office 2003 run on 10?]


Don't actually know. I though 2003 was their
best release, before it got so stinkin' bloated.


Yes, me too - last to not use the *x formats (like .docx). I've never
seen any explanation as to why they (which are really just a .zip,
rebadged) are supposed to be better in any way (though granted I haven't
looked)


It's an open format. Meaning that it is suitable for archiving and other
desktop apps can, in theory, read/write to it. Not just Microsoft Word et
al. However, as per usual, MS manipulated the system and forced through
their standard which they didn't (still don't?) even support fully
themselves.

. [I'm also unaware - again, not having looked for such answers -
of any alleged answers later versions have. Apart from the dreaded
ribbons, which I found gave little if any advantage (had to use them at
work so I got used to using them), and ate up screen space.]

Also check out the free Libre Office. It reminds
me of Office 2003 in its look and feel. LO is a bit
buggy, but less so than Office IMO, just different
bugs. But you can report them to the authors,
unlike Office


I like that concept (of being able to talk to the authors).


Don't expect to be able to use LO together with Office transparently.
Impress, for example, is orders of magnitude worse than PowerPoint.


  #171  
Old November 12th 19, 01:04 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
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In message , Chris
writes:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

[]
Got it (see previous post). I'm still wary of SSDs, though on
increasingly unjustifiable grounds (if I backup properly).


No reason to be. SSDs are at least as reliable as HDDs. The only reason to
get HDDs is for very large capacity dives e.g backup.

I'm dubious, but even if you're right, it's the _way_ they eventually
fail - suddenly, totally, and with no warning - that puts me off. Yes, I
know - if doing enough backups, that shouldn't matter.
[]
Yes, me too - last to not use the *x formats (like .docx). I've never
seen any explanation as to why they (which are really just a .zip,
rebadged) are supposed to be better in any way (though granted I haven't
looked)


It's an open format. Meaning that it is suitable for archiving and other
desktop apps can, in theory, read/write to it. Not just Microsoft Word et
al. However, as per usual, MS manipulated the system and forced through
their standard which they didn't (still don't?) even support fully
themselves.


So it's "Microsoft's open format" )-:.

. [I'm also unaware - again, not having looked for such answers -
of any alleged answers later versions have. Apart from the dreaded
ribbons, which I found gave little if any advantage (had to use them at
work so I got used to using them), and ate up screen space.]

Also check out the free Libre Office. It reminds
me of Office 2003 in its look and feel. LO is a bit
buggy, but less so than Office IMO, just different
bugs. But you can report them to the authors,
unlike Office


I like that concept (of being able to talk to the authors).


Don't expect to be able to use LO together with Office transparently.
Impress, for example, is orders of magnitude worse than PowerPoint.

I'm only likely to use Word and Excel.

--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

If you want to make people angry, lie to them. If you want to make them
absolutely livid, then tell 'em the truth.
  #172  
Old November 12th 19, 01:20 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
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In article , J. P. Gilliver (John)
wrote:

Got it (see previous post). I'm still wary of SSDs, though on
increasingly unjustifiable grounds (if I backup properly).


No reason to be. SSDs are at least as reliable as HDDs. The only reason to
get HDDs is for very large capacity dives e.g backup.

I'm dubious, but even if you're right, it's the _way_ they eventually
fail - suddenly, totally, and with no warning - that puts me off.


hard drives are far more likely to suddenly fail without warning than
an ssd.

not only that, but a failed ssd in many cases will be read-only, which
means no data is lost.

Yes, I
know - if doing enough backups, that shouldn't matter.


correct.
  #173  
Old November 12th 19, 01:32 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
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On 11/11/19 3:51 PM, Chris wrote:
No reason to be. SSDs are at least as reliable as HDDs. The only reason to
get HDDs is for very large capacity dives e.g backup.


uhhhhh. I took it in the shorts with SSD's. Almost
stopped using them until I came across Samsung.
  #174  
Old November 12th 19, 01:56 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
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On 11/11/19 12:25 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
T wrote:

On 11/11/19 3:54 AM, VanguardLH wrote:
T wrote:

VanguardLH wrote:

So why did you get new hardware that doesn't support your old
hardware?

I will give you three guesses!

How did you get loose?

If your customers are making their own choices, and they don't give a
gnat's fart about their paid consultant's opinions (i.e., yours), they
are paying you to support their choices, and you choose to remain
employed by them, then stop whining about making an income on their
choices.

I've yet to see a car mechanic at the shop whine about what choices
their customers made for brand and model of car. They get paid to work
on whatever car the customer has. If your customers made perfect
choices as you profess they should, they wouldn't need you and you'd be
collecting welfare or living with your parents and having them feed you.

Hmm, they're paying you to be their consultant, but they don't listen to
you. That might be a clue as to whether they really want you working
for them. Seems a waste of their money to pay you when they don't care
about what you recommend.

I've yet to see any customer that had a perfect setup when you show up
after they hire you. Ever have a sysadmin job at a corporate site?


You were not there. I gave no details other than the spec
on the label printer. I did not tell anyone the outcome
or what I did. I made no mention of the custmer's reaction.
Yet you seems to know. How is that?

WHO UNTIED YOU ????


You did when you mentioned old printers not having the necessary
hardware on a new PC, and old but critical software that won't on a
later version of the OS. Then you overtly asked me to guess. If you
cannot retain the train of thought in a subthread, reread it before
replying.



Hi Vanguard,

You actually thought I was asking you to guess? "I will
give you three guesses" was SARCASM.

Here is a tip when dealing with me. If you are curious about
the details of something, just ask me. And reframe from
answer every possible sererio I might answer. Doing such
comes off at the least as you being a blow hard and at
the worst as condescending.

And you are a blow hard, but the good kind of blow hard.
I am too to a certain extent. I don't believe you
mean to be condescending either, or I would have kill
filed you years ago.

When I answer you with the details, then its time for
your missives.

And remember, I have the attention span of a 12
year old (a gnat) as well as the sense of humor
of one. Get to the point without the rambling.

-T

  #175  
Old November 12th 19, 02:10 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
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On Mon, 11 Nov 2019 19:20:59 -0500, nospam wrote:

In article , J. P. Gilliver (John)
wrote:

Got it (see previous post). I'm still wary of SSDs, though on
increasingly unjustifiable grounds (if I backup properly).

No reason to be. SSDs are at least as reliable as HDDs. The only reason to
get HDDs is for very large capacity dives e.g backup.

I'm dubious, but even if you're right, it's the _way_ they eventually
fail - suddenly, totally, and with no warning - that puts me off.


hard drives are far more likely to suddenly fail without warning than
an ssd.

not only that, but a failed ssd in many cases will be read-only, which
means no data is lost.


That has been pointed out multiple times already, but John remains
skeptical.

--

Char Jackson
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Old November 12th 19, 03:45 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
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On 12.11.19 1:20, nospam wrote:
In article , J. P. Gilliver (John)
wrote:

Got it (see previous post). I'm still wary of SSDs, though on
increasingly unjustifiable grounds (if I backup properly).

No reason to be. SSDs are at least as reliable as HDDs. The only reason to
get HDDs is for very large capacity dives e.g backup.

I'm dubious, but even if you're right, it's the _way_ they eventually
fail - suddenly, totally, and with no warning - that puts me off.


hard drives are far more likely to suddenly fail without warning than
an ssd.

cut
Oh dear, i will dump my dos computers(20 years old, 4 harddisks)
and my winxp computer(16 years old, 2 internal and 2 usb harddisks)

How dare they survive for such a "short" time.

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Old November 12th 19, 10:58 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
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On 11/11/19 6:45 PM, Sjouke Burry wrote:
hardÂ*drivesÂ*areÂ*farÂ*moreÂ*likelyÂ*toÂ*suddenly Â*failÂ*withoutÂ*warningÂ*than
anÂ*ssd.

cut
OhÂ*dear,Â*iÂ*willÂ*dumpÂ*myÂ*dosÂ*computers(20Â*y earsÂ*Â*old,Â*4Â*harddisks)
andÂ*myÂ*winxpÂ*computer(16Â*yearsÂ*old,Â*2Â*inter nalÂ*andÂ*2Â*usbÂ*harddisks)

HowÂ*dareÂ*theyÂ*surviveÂ*forÂ*suchÂ*aÂ*"short"Â*t ime.


Those computer you speak of were made a hell of a
lot better than the no expense, el-cheap-o computers
of today. You can still get good ones today too
(my custom ones never die), but NOT FOR $400.00

I typically see mechanical drive start to fail
but not bricked. I typically am able to recover
data off them, usually with Fedora. I can only
remember one bricking on me. But I have been doing
this for 24 years, so that may have been others.

I have seen external USB mechanical units fail, but
if I tear out the drive, it is always good. It
is the USB interface that has gone south.

I have replaced a lot of flaky mechanical hard drives
with both SSD and mechanical drives as well. Clonezilla
with error recovery mode is your friend!

Every "check my computer out" I do, I run gsmartcontrol
on them to test drive health.


 




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