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  #16  
Old April 17th 19, 05:49 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On Wed, 17 Apr 2019 01:54:19 +0100, ? Good Guy ?
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On 16/04/2019 23:24, default wrote:
I have an old HP color inkjet. It works reasonably well when it
works, my problem is that it can be several months between printing
out a page or two, so when I want to use it, it doesn't want to work.


The ink dries out. Buy a laser. Mine's been going strong for
almost 10 years now.

If all you are doing is to print a page or two every two months then
clearly you don't need any printer and instead you could copy the
document on to a flash drive and take it to your local library or to a
nearest shop


What if the document is sensitive ? Terrible advice to "share
it" with a local shop owner. It's almost as bad as "put it on the
cloud".
Sorry, I forgot, you don't believe in security OR privacy.
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  #17  
Old April 17th 19, 08:15 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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I've still got some super-black, non-fading ink (calligraphy if I'm not
mistaken), which might be perfect for the job. I'll have to try it. Just
a few drops you say ? That should not be a problem.

[]
Hm. Not sure about calligraphy ink - isn't that a bit like oil paint or
something, so your writings are a bit firm? Or maybe I'm just thinking
of the Chinese/Japanese stuff you do with a paintbrush.
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Old April 18th 19, 08:06 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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John,

Hm. Not sure about calligraphy ink - isn't that a bit like oil paint or
something, so your writings are a bit firm?


I don't know. But what I have here is definitily of the watery kind. I
used it to "blacken up" circuit-board printouts on overhead sheets (made
with the laser printer I spoke of earlier), as the toner put on the overhead
sheets itself is /way/ to transparent to be used as-is.

So, a few drops of that ink spread out over the toner (filling in the gaps
between the toner particles), and the surplus on the rest of the sheet
carefully removed (with some soft toilet paper or alike). Worked like a
charm.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser


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Old April 18th 19, 02:18 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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John,

Hm. Not sure about calligraphy ink - isn't that a bit like oil paint or
something, so your writings are a bit firm?


I don't know. But what I have here is definitily of the watery kind. I

[]
I guess you could give it a try. It _should_ be obvious whether it's OK
or not before it gums up the pins; if it does, a drop of white spirit
(or gin or vodka!) _might_ free them. Do tell how you get on. Might
first be worth examining your cartridge to see if the top can be prised
off in the first place; most can. Note that the arms that go round the
print head will have pegs on the top part, and there may be other pegs
around the edge. Don't let the cogs around the advance knob (that
actually wind the ribbon) pop out, as they're fiddly to get back. Sample
look inside - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxr9ePj-D4s (may not be
exactly your model but all are similar). I'm not sure if yours is a
long cartridge like that one, where the cartridge is the length of the
print run, or a smaller one like
https://electropapa.com/media/catalo.../400x400/9df78
eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/4/2/4251303560562-farbband_nylonband_passend_
panasonic_kx-p145_5_1ebay.jpg , where the cart sits on and moves with
the print head. Both are re-inkable; the long ones have a longer length
of ribbon outside the cart to dry out, but even those it's only a small
proportion of what's inside.

I couldn't find video of anyone actually prising one open.
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  #20  
Old April 18th 19, 02:59 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On Wed, 17 Apr 2019 01:54:19 +0100, ? Good Guy ?
wrote:

On 16/04/2019 23:24, default wrote:
I have an old HP color inkjet. It works reasonably well when it
works, my problem is that it can be several months between printing
out a page or two, so when I want to use it, it doesn't want to work.


If all you are doing is to print a page or two every two months then
clearly you don't need any printer and instead you could copy the
document on to a flash drive and take it to your local library or to a
nearest shop (or to your friends if you have any but most people these
days aren't talking to their neighbours!!! either) that does printing
and let them charge you 10 cents per copy. It is much cheaper that way
then to have a monster in your house and.

All printers are the same. If your current printer is giving you
problems then there is no guarantee new printer won't give you the same
problems.

Six miles to the nearest library to find the dowagers that run the
place won't let anyone plug a USB drive into their computers. The
next nearest is 37 miles. My bank let me make a copy but I can't
think they'd do it on any irregular basis.

We have a UPS store they may do something like that.

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  #21  
Old April 18th 19, 04:18 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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In message , default
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On Wed, 17 Apr 2019 01:54:19 +0100, ? Good Guy ?
wrote:

[]
All printers are the same. If your current printer is giving you
problems then there is no guarantee new printer won't give you the same
problems.


Not true. Although one poster in this (I think) thread has had one go
peculiar on him, laser printers are pretty reliable for the light user
(and cheap and small if you don't want colour); my blind friends have
one they got I think a couple of years ago (obviously they only print
for the odd coupon or official letter), and are very happy with it.
(Still on the toner cartridge it came with.) It's wireless too which
makes it easy for both to use it - Brother 1212W I think it is.

(Dot-matrix - or rather impact - excellent too, and XP drivers are still
available. Mostly parallel port only though, which if your machine is a
laptop you may not have.)

Six miles to the nearest library to find the dowagers that run the
place won't let anyone plug a USB drive into their computers. The


You _could_ put what you want to print - as .pdf files ("print" to .pdf
from whatever, I use pdf995) - online somewhere before you go to the
library, and remove them after you've been. (Inside password-protected
..zip files, if the library has a means to open those.)

next nearest is 37 miles. My bank let me make a copy but I can't
think they'd do it on any irregular basis.

We have a UPS store they may do something like that.


No harm in asking. No copy shop, internet café, or anything similar?
[]
I'd still say a small mono laser would do you best, though. And/or, if
you really go months between prints and only do a few then: use your
colour inkjet once a week or once a month (whichever turns out to be
necessary to keep it working); set the computer to remind you to do so.
At first I thought just print some blocks of solid colour, but then I
thought, you might as well print out some nice picture, either for
yourself or to give away to family and/or friends. OK, if it uses $1
worth of ink a time (let it do it at highest quality - so it might take
many minutes, who cares) - still cheaper than the alternatives, plus
you'd have the nice picture. Or, something more boring but that it'd be
useful to have a hard copy of - tide tables, refuse collection
schedules, local (or club, association, whatever) event calendars - I am
sure you can think of _something_. (Mono laser printers usually about 50
pounds, though I think I may have seen as low as 30; probably the same
in $ [i. e. 50 or less] there.)
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  #22  
Old April 18th 19, 05:32 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On Thu, 18 Apr 2019 16:18:23 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , default
writes:
On Wed, 17 Apr 2019 01:54:19 +0100, ? Good Guy ?
wrote:

[]
All printers are the same. If your current printer is giving you
problems then there is no guarantee new printer won't give you the same
problems.


Not true. Although one poster in this (I think) thread has had one go
peculiar on him, laser printers are pretty reliable for the light user
(and cheap and small if you don't want colour); my blind friends have
one they got I think a couple of years ago (obviously they only print
for the odd coupon or official letter), and are very happy with it.
(Still on the toner cartridge it came with.) It's wireless too which
makes it easy for both to use it - Brother 1212W I think it is.

(Dot-matrix - or rather impact - excellent too, and XP drivers are still
available. Mostly parallel port only though, which if your machine is a
laptop you may not have.)

Six miles to the nearest library to find the dowagers that run the
place won't let anyone plug a USB drive into their computers. The


You _could_ put what you want to print - as .pdf files ("print" to .pdf
from whatever, I use pdf995) - online somewhere before you go to the
library, and remove them after you've been. (Inside password-protected
.zip files, if the library has a means to open those.)

next nearest is 37 miles. My bank let me make a copy but I can't
think they'd do it on any irregular basis.

We have a UPS store they may do something like that.


No harm in asking. No copy shop, internet café, or anything similar?
[]
I'd still say a small mono laser would do you best, though. And/or, if
you really go months between prints and only do a few then: use your
colour inkjet once a week or once a month (whichever turns out to be
necessary to keep it working); set the computer to remind you to do so.
At first I thought just print some blocks of solid colour, but then I
thought, you might as well print out some nice picture, either for
yourself or to give away to family and/or friends. OK, if it uses $1
worth of ink a time (let it do it at highest quality - so it might take
many minutes, who cares) - still cheaper than the alternatives, plus
you'd have the nice picture. Or, something more boring but that it'd be
useful to have a hard copy of - tide tables, refuse collection
schedules, local (or club, association, whatever) event calendars - I am
sure you can think of _something_. (Mono laser printers usually about 50
pounds, though I think I may have seen as low as 30; probably the same
in $ [i. e. 50 or less] there.)


Most of the kinds of places that have copiers printers etc., are 30
miles from me. AND it isn't too practical if I've got an engineering
project and want a neat paper schematic to work from, to stop what I'm
doing and (only) drive 6 miles or more and drive back That takes
time. Unproductive time. Not conducive to staying focused either. I
have to keep the brain cells on-task and not let them wander.

If I'm going to do all that I might just as well dick around with the
cartridge and get it working.

And, this HP printer refuses to print if the color cartridge is having
problems even if I don't want color.

Then there's the "creative process." Changes get made, get penciled
in or red-lined, and the drawing no longer reflects the device as
built.

I'll mess around with the cheap Brother printer when it comes, I can
always get something else if it doesn't do what I want. I may even
have to get my wife something. She has the problem of an operating
system that doesn't have drivers for her old HP printer.
I need a printer, not too often but I do need one.

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Old April 18th 19, 11:44 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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In message , default
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[snip]
Six miles to the nearest library to find the dowagers that run the
place won't let anyone plug a USB drive into their computers. The


You _could_ put what you want to print - as .pdf files ("print" to .pdf
from whatever, I use pdf995) - online somewhere before you go to the
library, and remove them after you've been. (Inside password-protected
.zip files, if the library has a means to open those.)


Any mileage in that suggestion?
[]
I'd still say a small mono laser would do you best, though. And/or, if
you really go months between prints and only do a few then: use your
colour inkjet once a week or once a month (whichever turns out to be
necessary to keep it working); set the computer to remind you to do so.

[]
Most of the kinds of places that have copiers printers etc., are 30
miles from me. AND it isn't too practical if I've got an engineering
project and want a neat paper schematic to work from, to stop what I'm
doing and (only) drive 6 miles or more and drive back That takes
time. Unproductive time. Not conducive to staying focused either. I
have to keep the brain cells on-task and not let them wander.


I see what you mean.

If I'm going to do all that I might just as well dick around with the
cartridge and get it working.

And, this HP printer refuses to print if the color cartridge is having
problems even if I don't want color.


Yes, that's one of the most irritating things. (I see you mention "the
colo]u[r cartridge", which suggests you have one of those models which
has a single colour cartridge: which you have to replace even if only
one of its colours has run out. Another irritant.)
[]
I'll mess around with the cheap Brother printer when it comes, I can


Oh, have you ordered a mono laser then? I wasn't recommending that
particular one (I was only remembering the model number off the top of
my head, it may not even have been right!): not that there's anything
wrong with it (my friends are happy with it), just I thought you'd look
around!

always get something else if it doesn't do what I want. I may even
have to get my wife something. She has the problem of an operating
system that doesn't have drivers for her old HP printer.


If you do get a wireless laser, you can both use it. My friends do.

I need a printer, not too often but I do need one.

Yes, I'm the same.
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  #24  
Old April 19th 19, 02:08 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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On Thu, 18 Apr 2019 23:44:29 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

In message , default
writes:
[snip]
Six miles to the nearest library to find the dowagers that run the
place won't let anyone plug a USB drive into their computers. The

You _could_ put what you want to print - as .pdf files ("print" to .pdf
from whatever, I use pdf995) - online somewhere before you go to the
library, and remove them after you've been. (Inside password-protected
.zip files, if the library has a means to open those.)


Any mileage in that suggestion?
[]
I'd still say a small mono laser would do you best, though. And/or, if
you really go months between prints and only do a few then: use your
colour inkjet once a week or once a month (whichever turns out to be
necessary to keep it working); set the computer to remind you to do so.

[]
Most of the kinds of places that have copiers printers etc., are 30
miles from me. AND it isn't too practical if I've got an engineering
project and want a neat paper schematic to work from, to stop what I'm
doing and (only) drive 6 miles or more and drive back That takes
time. Unproductive time. Not conducive to staying focused either. I
have to keep the brain cells on-task and not let them wander.


I see what you mean.

If I'm going to do all that I might just as well dick around with the
cartridge and get it working.

And, this HP printer refuses to print if the color cartridge is having
problems even if I don't want color.


Yes, that's one of the most irritating things. (I see you mention "the
colo]u[r cartridge", which suggests you have one of those models which
has a single colour cartridge: which you have to replace even if only
one of its colours has run out. Another irritant.)
[]
I'll mess around with the cheap Brother printer when it comes, I can


Oh, have you ordered a mono laser then? I wasn't recommending that
particular one (I was only remembering the model number off the top of
my head, it may not even have been right!): not that there's anything
wrong with it (my friends are happy with it), just I thought you'd look
around!


I suspect the one you mentioned isn't sold any more. I found a
Brother HL-L2300D which is a basic monochrome laser. There's a
Samsung with WIFI that costs less but I hear brother a lot in the
context of printers. Both it and the Samsung have XP drivers.

always get something else if it doesn't do what I want. I may even
have to get my wife something. She has the problem of an operating
system that doesn't have drivers for her old HP printer.


If you do get a wireless laser, you can both use it. My friends do.

I donno about that, her house is ~120 miles from my house. We spend
quality time together but don't live in the same house as a rule.

I need a printer, not too often but I do need one.

Yes, I'm the same.

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Old April 19th 19, 03:10 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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default wrote:


I suspect the one you mentioned isn't sold any more. I found a
Brother HL-L2300D which is a basic monochrome laser. There's a
Samsung with WIFI that costs less but I hear brother a lot in the
context of printers. Both it and the Samsung have XP drivers.


The Samsung printer division was bought by HP.
As to why, we can only guess.

Brother printers tend to have Linux drivers available,
which is why you might see them discussed a bit more.

Paul

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Old April 19th 19, 12:12 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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In message , Paul
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default wrote:

I suspect the one you mentioned isn't sold any more. I found a


Brother HL-1212W (the W means wireless) I found on ebay.co.uk for
44.99+4.99 pounds refurbished, 59.99+5.99 and upwards new, so they're
still around.

Brother HL-L2300D which is a basic monochrome laser. There's a
Samsung with WIFI that costs less but I hear brother a lot in the
context of printers. Both it and the Samsung have XP drivers.


Wifi not needed for you - I was assuming you and your wife were in the
same house when I said you could share a wifi printer! Though handy if
your XP machine is a portable.

The Samsung printer division was bought by HP.
As to why, we can only guess.


Sounds like you have a guess - care to share?

Brother printers tend to have Linux drivers available,
which is why you might see them discussed a bit more.

Paul

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  #27  
Old April 19th 19, 02:50 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

The Samsung printer division was bought by HP.
As to why, we can only guess.


Sounds like you have a guess - care to share?


When products overlap, I can't help but feel it
is simple crushing of competition so prices can rise.

We'll just have to wait and see.

*******

https://www.anandtech.com/show/10677...inter-business

"Nowadays printers are no longer supplied with the vast majority
of PCs, and the total available market (TAM) of hardcopy peripherals
is shrinking."

"HP intends to pay Samsung $1.05 billion for the latter’s printer
business and acquire a portfolio of intellectual property
that includes 6,500 printing patents." === Ding Ding Ding

So that's a value element. And that's not to use to crush competition
or collect a piddling royalty stream. That's a generic patent
portfolio to wave around in other patent disputes. A chess piece.

Paul
 




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