Why would I want HTML5?

Im using an older version of firefox cuz the newer ones are bloated and
slow down my 12 yr old computer too much. But i keep being reminded that
I need HTML5 to watch youtube videos and other stuff.

Besides not wanting bloatware to put my computer into turtle mode, Ive
heard that HTML5 is just another gateway to allow malware on my system.

Why does anyone need it anyhow?

Average Person wrote:
Im using an older version of firefox cuz the newer ones are bloated and
slow down my 12 yr old computer too much. But i keep being reminded that
I need HTML5 to watch youtube videos and other stuff.

Besides not wanting bloatware to put my computer into turtle mode, Ive
heard that HTML5 is just another gateway to allow malware on my system.

Why does anyone need it anyhow?

HTML5 seems to be the new and enhanced standard used for web sites these
days, with added features, particularly in the multimedia department. You
can read all about it he

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTML5.

On Sat, 13 Apr 2019 18:37:42 -0500, Average Person wrote:
Im using an older version of firefox cuz the newer ones are bloated and
slow down my 12 yr old computer too much. But i keep being reminded that
I need HTML5 to watch youtube videos and other stuff.

Besides not wanting bloatware to put my computer into turtle mode, Ive
heard that HTML5 is just another gateway to allow malware on my system.

Why does anyone need it anyhow?

We shouldn't, but...

Us hoomans, tend to spend resources when there are abundant. And we are not
easily satisfied. When we are given something more than usual, we still want
more.

Because hardwares keep getting faster, and have more capacity, people easily
forget how important to save resources. Thus, they use resources like crazy,
and call it "for user's experience". Sad thing is, not all people are aware
of this, and they can't help it but acknowledge that "user experience".

On 14/04/2019 00:37, Average Person wrote:

Why does anyone need it anyhow?

So that you can watch videos on YouTube. Very soon you'll also need to
buy a new machine with Windows 10 as Google wants people to move on to
newer, more secure operating systems. Alternative is to use some other
junk OS.

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Average Person wrote:
Im using an older version of firefox cuz the newer ones are bloated and
slow down my 12 yr old computer too much. But i keep being reminded that
I need HTML5 to watch youtube videos and other stuff.

Besides not wanting bloatware to put my computer into turtle mode, Ive
heard that HTML5 is just another gateway to allow malware on my system.

Why does anyone need it anyhow?

Here is another browser to try out.

It runs one process and doesn't have process isolation.

It handles HTML5, according to the descriptions I could find.

https://www.midori-browser.org/download/

*******

On your next post, include details of the computer so we
can figure out what your options are.

Amount of RAM (Task Manager memory tab might give a hint)
CPU type "Pentium 4 2.93GHz 2MB cache"
Chipset "X48/ICH9"
Video card "ATI 9200"

https://www.cpuid.com/softwares/cpu-z.html ("Windows 98" version?)
https://www.techspot.com/downloads/4452-gpu-z.html (WindowsXP/Vista/7)

The utilities can give you various bits of information.

Of those, the amount of memory gives some idea of the
latitude of what you can do. The chipset gives an idea
of how decrepit the memory bandwidth is (I have a system
here with 1.5GB of RAM [good] but only 300MB/sec of
memory bandwidth [bad]).

And whether you have a BIOS popup boot menu matters too,
as machines with a popup boot, might also support
booting from a USB flash stick. Which is a practical
way of booting alternate OSes so you can web surf.
But that's only worth doing, with gobs of RAM.

Teeny tiny RAM computers, the options are limited.
With 512MB of RAM (typical in that era), options
are limited.

*******

You can get refurbished Core2 machines. This is the
right time of year to try to acquire one. The Core2
tells me that installing WinXP is an option, as you'd
be able to find drivers. The video card is the only
questionable item. The details section says "Integrated Video",
which means chipset video. Probably VGA output.

"HP Refurbished ELITE 8000 Tower, 3GHz Intel Core2 Duo E8400, 500 GB HDD, 4GB DDR3, Win10 Home" $149

https://www.staples.ca/en/hp-refurbi...0_1-CA_1_20001

JoySystems refurbs are available at several major
department store chains. That's if you can convince the
web site to list the stuff.

And you don't want more modern systems ($500), because then
there might not be drivers for WinXP for the video card.

For $149, an equivalent tablet might not have a lot of
horsepower. A Chromebook would be slow in any case, but
might allow viewing Youtube videos.

Paul

On Sat, 13 Apr 2019 18:37:42 -0500, Average Person
wrote:

Im using an older version of firefox cuz the newer ones are bloated and
slow down my 12 yr old computer too much. But i keep being reminded that
I need HTML5 to watch youtube videos and other stuff.

Besides not wanting bloatware to put my computer into turtle mode, Ive
heard that HTML5 is just another gateway to allow malware on my system.

Why does anyone need it anyhow?

So the TLAs can keep an eye on you and make sure you don't do
anything that might adversely affect your own "privacy", "safety" and
"security".

[]'s

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We have a new policy - Google 2012

On Sun, 14 Apr 2019 08:20:52 -0400, Paul
wrote:

Average Person wrote:
Im using an older version of firefox cuz the newer ones are bloated and
slow down my 12 yr old computer too much. But i keep being reminded that
I need HTML5 to watch youtube videos and other stuff.

Besides not wanting bloatware to put my computer into turtle mode, Ive
heard that HTML5 is just another gateway to allow malware on my system.

Why does anyone need it anyhow?

Here is another browser to try out.

It runs one process and doesn't have process isolation.

It handles HTML5, according to the descriptions I could find.

https://www.midori-browser.org/download/
I just tried it. It does seem to play Facebook videos but it crashed
right away and I got an error when it loaded about a missing DLL.
Facebook says update your browser. This is v.5 they say there is a v.7
soon. Maybe that is better.,

wrote:
On Sun, 14 Apr 2019 08:20:52 -0400, Paul
wrote:

Average Person wrote:
Im using an older version of firefox cuz the newer ones are bloated and
slow down my 12 yr old computer too much. But i keep being reminded that
I need HTML5 to watch youtube videos and other stuff.

Besides not wanting bloatware to put my computer into turtle mode, Ive
heard that HTML5 is just another gateway to allow malware on my system.

Why does anyone need it anyhow?
Here is another browser to try out.

It runs one process and doesn't have process isolation.

It handles HTML5, according to the descriptions I could find.

https://www.midori-browser.org/download/
I just tried it. It does seem to play Facebook videos but it crashed
right away and I got an error when it loaded about a missing DLL.
Facebook says update your browser. This is v.5 they say there is a v.7
soon. Maybe that is better.,

Oh, well :-/

I did some testing here, and I suspect the video card needs
to help out, to make this work better. I'm not sure the CPU,
an older CPU, can play a Youtube video properly all by itself.

Not really purely a HTML5 and JavaScript problem as such.
Just the video playback part is hard to do. And if the video
card has hardware decoding, that should help.

This article may help the OP dial in what acceleration he needs.

https://www.howtogeek.com/227940/why...how-to-fix-it/

Paul

Average Person wrote:
Im using an older version of firefox cuz the newer ones are bloated and
slow down my 12 yr old computer too much. But i keep being reminded that
I need HTML5 to watch youtube videos and other stuff.

Besides not wanting bloatware to put my computer into turtle mode, Ive
heard that HTML5 is just another gateway to allow malware on my system.

Why does anyone need it anyhow?

Sooner or later, you're probably going to need the latest XP version of
Firefox (52.9 ESR) just for some web pages to properly render (it's already
happened to me). But even that version of FF occasionally has issues on
some sites, which leaves Chrome (49.0) to pick up the slack (unfortunately).

In the not too distant future, I expect both will be having issues on some
sites, at which point we will probably be forced to either upgrade the OS,
or move over to Android or Linux or Apple (or whatever), if one wants their
web experience to not be impacted.

On Saturday, April 13, 2019 at 8:08:32 PM UTC-5, Good Guy wrote:
On 14/04/2019 00:37, Average Person
wrote:



Why does anyone need it anyhow?




So that you can watch videos on YouTube.Â*Â* Very soon you'll also
need to buy a new machine with Windows 10 as Google wants people to
move on to newer, more secureÂ* operating systems.Â* Alternative is to
use some other junk OS.

Actually, Linux is far superior to Windows.

Most servers use Linux.

On 14/04/2019 22:44, AK wrote:
On Saturday, April 13, 2019 at 8:08:32 PM UTC-5, Good Guy wrote:

Most servers use Linux.

Are you some demented nutter who can't read what the OP was asking
about? How many idiots are using servers to watch YouTube Videos? I
assume that is what you do but the OP wants something for his desktop or
laptop. He is not interested in a server. He has to earn a living.




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satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows.

Paul wrote:
wrote:
On Sun, 14 Apr 2019 08:20:52 -0400, Paul
wrote:

Average Person wrote:
Im using an older version of firefox cuz the newer ones are bloated and
slow down my 12 yr old computer too much. But i keep being reminded
that
I need HTML5 to watch youtube videos and other stuff.
Besides not wanting bloatware to put my computer into turtle mode, Ive
heard that HTML5 is just another gateway to allow malware on my system.

Why does anyone need it anyhow?
Here is another browser to try out.

It runs one process and doesn't have process isolation.

It handles HTML5, according to the descriptions I could find.

https://www.midori-browser.org/download/
I just tried it. It does seem to play Facebook videos but it crashed
right away and I got an error when it loaded about a missing DLL.
Facebook says update your browser. This is v.5 they say there is a v.7
soon. Maybe that is better.,

Oh, well :-/

I did some testing here, and I suspect the video card needs
to help out, to make this work better. I'm not sure the CPU,
an older CPU, can play a Youtube video properly all by itself.

Not really purely a HTML5 and JavaScript problem as such.
Just the video playback part is hard to do. And if the video
card has hardware decoding, that should help.

This article may help the OP dial in what acceleration he needs.

https://www.howtogeek.com/227940/why...how-to-fix-it/


Paul

According to Anandtech, the Geforce 8600 is the first card to
have a complete H.264 decoding chain. That's this line from
the table further down.

GeForce 8600 GT, 8600 GTS G84 VP2 A April 2007

https://www.anandtech.com/show/2220

Wikipedia has more information.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia_PureVideo

The last cards with video drivers for WinXP, is this line.

GeForce GTX 750 SE, GTX 950, GTX 960 GM206 VP7 F January 2015

The hard part, is finding a card that fits a slot in
an old computer.

On cards with multiple versions (the "SE" second edition above)
different GPU chips are used to build them, you have to be
*really* *really* careful to not buy the wrong card. That's
if you want the feature set the more recent chip has to offer.

*******

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Video_Decoder

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ocessing_units

With ATI/AMD cards, you're probably solidly in PCI Express country,
looking for a card with good video decoding. My HD6450 PCI Express,
is a North Islands with UVD 3. Articles like this, may mention North
Islands, but otherwise, something might get lost in the translation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon_HD_6000_Series

*******

And the killer is this. I was looking for a sample of the
Youtube HTML5 compatibility page... I'd done a little experiment
a while back, and forgot the details.



http://al.howardknight.net/msgid.cgi...nt-email.me%3E

"OK, I triangulated the reason for the behavior.

http://www.youtube.com/html5

Seamonkey 2.49.4 NVidia 7900GT WinXP (DXVA only ) no HW H.264 accel
Seamonkey 2.49.4 NVidia 7900GT Win8.1 (DXVA,DXVA2) HW H.264 accel

In Win8.1, all of the six tick boxes from the Youtube
page are ticked as operational.

And it's a good thing I discovered this, because it basically
cuts off hardware solutions.
"

So not only is it a hardware issue, it's also caused by softwares
that look for DXVA2 instead of DXVA1. I would guess they did this,
to kick us off WinXP.

It's a good thing this stuff isn't complicated.

Paul

On Sunday, April 14, 2019 at 4:53:42 PM UTC-5, 😉 Good Guy 😉 wrote:
On 14/04/2019 22:44, AK wrote:



On Saturday, April 13, 2019 at 8:08:32 PM UTC-5, Good Guy wrote:



Most servers use Linux.




Are you some demented nutter who can't read what the OP was asking
about?Â* How many idiots are using servers to watch YouTube Videos?Â*
I assume that is what you do but the OP wants something for his
desktop or laptop.Â* He is not interested in a server.Â* He has to
earn a living.













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running Windows 10, customer satisfaction is higher than any
previous version of windows.

alt.anger.management

On Sun, 14 Apr 2019 22:53:33 +0100, ? Good Guy ?
wrote:

On 14/04/2019 22:44, AK wrote:
On Saturday, April 13, 2019 at 8:08:32 PM UTC-5, Good Guy wrote:

Most servers use Linux.

Because it's more stable than Windows. And it's free.

Are you some demented nutter who can't read what the OP was asking
about? How many idiots are using servers to watch YouTube Videos? I
assume that is what you do but the OP wants something for his desktop or
laptop. He is not interested in a server. He has to earn a living.

He/She said nothing about "earning a living" with the desktop.

For most people, Linux is adequate. (web browser, email
client, Office Suite, etc). It's also far less prone to malware
infections (Though since the browser is practically identical to its
windows counterpart, it might leak some personal information).
And best of all, it does not "phone home" unless you tell it
to, or you use a commercial Distro like Red Hat/Ubuntu.
I can't think of ANY advantage of using win 10 over a good
Linux distro like Debian Stable. Unless you enjoy spending cash and
dealing with botched updates.
[]'s
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We have a new policy - Google 2012

On Sun, 14 Apr 2019 02:08:29 +0100, Good Guy
wrote:

So that you can watch videos on YouTube. Very soon you'll also need to
buy a new machine with Windows 10 as Google wants people to move on to
newer, more secure operating systems. Alternative is to use some other
junk OS.


It'll be a cold day in hell before I use Windows 10. I only can use XP
online, because I am unable to get the internet at home, where I live.
So I must rely on going to a place that has WIFI. My old laptop can only
run XP. My home computer has Win7, but obviously that cant go online.

There is no other OS, unless you mean Linux, and that is truly junk.
Im considering buying a newer laptop computer that will run Win7, but
before I'd even consider using Win10, I'll buy an Apple computer.

Windows 7 is the last usable OS made by Microsoft.

And by the way, Google can **** off. THEY DO NOT OWN THE INTERNET!