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Boycott Vista in the UK!
And yet in Sept 98, the rate on software from outside of the EU was 25%..
Windows is US origin.. "John John" wrote in message ... The European Union and its member countries are signatories to the WTO Information Technology Agreement (ITA) concluded in December 1996, tariff on software is 0%. John Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User wrote: John Read my second post re import duty.. "John John" wrote in message ... Whichever way you calculate it Mike, it comes to about the same numbers that I gave earlier and that Shenan gave us, 315 Pounds + 17.5 VAT = 370.13 Pounds, what amazon.uk sells it for. My understanding is that advertized prices in the UK must include the VAT, so the Amazon price follows the prices you gave. Without the taxes using the numbers you gave, £315.00 = US$619.41, a spread of US$240.41. To me, in these days of globalization and free trade that price difference seems out of whack and difficult to justify. John Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User wrote: John Brit price with no tax is UKBP315 against US$379.. Tax rates in the US range between 4 and 9%, I believe, and into double figures in Ontario and Quebec in Canada, 14 and 16% respectively Profit margins are smaller in North America generally, and none of us have any idea how much is paid by the retailers on either continent.. the fact that the Brit price is so high in the UK does not necessarily reflect the price paid from the manufacturer.. The UK, along with one or two other member countries, have failed to adopt the Euro as regular currency, and as such is prone to varying exchange rates in a way that other member countries may not be.. While I accept that the price difference is large, it is not right to quote a price without tax against a price with tax, especially where the tax rate is so high as in the UK.. Something else that is not taken into account is UK import duty for goods manufactured from outside of the EU.. that can range from between 5 and 85%.. Then there are shipping, handling and insurance costs.. I fail to see why MS are being blamed for all of this.. "John John" wrote in message ... Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User wrote: I really can't believe what the problem is with MS and pricing.. why do people expect to get the top Vista for nothing? No one said that they wanted it for nothing. The starting information for this thread was that Vista Ultimate would be priced at about US$378.99 in the United states and at £369.99 in the UK. (Amazon numbers supplied by Shenan) US378.99 = 192.52 U.K. pounds Add the 17.5% VAT that another poster mentioned (£33.69)and the final straight converted advertised price would be £226.21 VAT included. The spread of £143.78 ($283.03 US dollars) cannot be simply explained with shipping costs or that the the UK economy is that much more inefficient than the US or that the UK market is that uncompetitive. It isn't mere spin or simple BS from Microsoft... it's more to the PhD level... BS that is just Piled Higher and Deeper! John |
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Boycott Vista in the UK!
Mike
This link confirms what John said about zero import duty: http://www.hmce.gov.uk/channelsPorta...CE_PROD_009989 What is not clear is why retailers in the US and Canada will ship goods to Europe, save for certain classes of goods. Instance this example: Amazon.ca can ship items from our Software and Computer & Video Games Stores only to destinations within Canada. The situation invites the question as to what regulations, if any, prevent a UK resident ordering and paying for a copy of Vista Ultimate Edition to be shipped to Mike Hall (akas friend). Friend removes the CD from the bulky box and posts it to UK. -- Regards. Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User wrote: And yet in Sept 98, the rate on software from outside of the EU was 25%.. Windows is US origin.. "John John" wrote in message ... The European Union and its member countries are signatories to the WTO Information Technology Agreement (ITA) concluded in December 1996, tariff on software is 0%. John Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User wrote: John Read my second post re import duty.. "John John" wrote in message ... Whichever way you calculate it Mike, it comes to about the same numbers that I gave earlier and that Shenan gave us, 315 Pounds + 17.5 VAT = 370.13 Pounds, what amazon.uk sells it for. My understanding is that advertized prices in the UK must include the VAT, so the Amazon price follows the prices you gave. Without the taxes using the numbers you gave, £315.00 = US$619.41, a spread of US$240.41. To me, in these days of globalization and free trade that price difference seems out of whack and difficult to justify. John Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User wrote: John Brit price with no tax is UKBP315 against US$379.. Tax rates in the US range between 4 and 9%, I believe, and into double figures in Ontario and Quebec in Canada, 14 and 16% respectively Profit margins are smaller in North America generally, and none of us have any idea how much is paid by the retailers on either continent.. the fact that the Brit price is so high in the UK does not necessarily reflect the price paid from the manufacturer.. The UK, along with one or two other member countries, have failed to adopt the Euro as regular currency, and as such is prone to varying exchange rates in a way that other member countries may not be.. While I accept that the price difference is large, it is not right to quote a price without tax against a price with tax, especially where the tax rate is so high as in the UK.. Something else that is not taken into account is UK import duty for goods manufactured from outside of the EU.. that can range from between 5 and 85%.. Then there are shipping, handling and insurance costs.. I fail to see why MS are being blamed for all of this.. "John John" wrote in message ... Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User wrote: I really can't believe what the problem is with MS and pricing.. why do people expect to get the top Vista for nothing? No one said that they wanted it for nothing. The starting information for this thread was that Vista Ultimate would be priced at about US$378.99 in the United states and at £369.99 in the UK. (Amazon numbers supplied by Shenan) US378.99 = 192.52 U.K. pounds Add the 17.5% VAT that another poster mentioned (£33.69)and the final straight converted advertised price would be £226.21 VAT included. The spread of £143.78 ($283.03 US dollars) cannot be simply explained with shipping costs or that the the UK economy is that much more inefficient than the US or that the UK market is that uncompetitive. It isn't mere spin or simple BS from Microsoft... it's more to the PhD level... BS that is just Piled Higher and Deeper! John |
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Boycott Vista in the UK!
Gerry
I have no idea, and here in Canada, if you ask three different people about anything at all, you get three different answers. Many retailers in the US will not ship to Canada, and again I have no idea what restrictions are in place other than maybe no desire to get involved in export. Amazon have a UK subsidiary, and I have no doubt that they will want to 'milk' as much from the UK people as they can. It seems to me that the retailers are the price fixers, not the manufacturers. "Gerry Cornell" wrote in message ... Mike This link confirms what John said about zero import duty: http://www.hmce.gov.uk/channelsPorta...CE_PROD_009989 What is not clear is why retailers in the US and Canada will ship goods to Europe, save for certain classes of goods. Instance this example: Amazon.ca can ship items from our Software and Computer & Video Games Stores only to destinations within Canada. The situation invites the question as to what regulations, if any, prevent a UK resident ordering and paying for a copy of Vista Ultimate Edition to be shipped to Mike Hall (akas friend). Friend removes the CD from the bulky box and posts it to UK. -- Regards. Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User wrote: And yet in Sept 98, the rate on software from outside of the EU was 25%.. Windows is US origin.. "John John" wrote in message ... The European Union and its member countries are signatories to the WTO Information Technology Agreement (ITA) concluded in December 1996, tariff on software is 0%. John Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User wrote: John Read my second post re import duty.. "John John" wrote in message ... Whichever way you calculate it Mike, it comes to about the same numbers that I gave earlier and that Shenan gave us, 315 Pounds + 17.5 VAT = 370.13 Pounds, what amazon.uk sells it for. My understanding is that advertized prices in the UK must include the VAT, so the Amazon price follows the prices you gave. Without the taxes using the numbers you gave, £315.00 = US$619.41, a spread of US$240.41. To me, in these days of globalization and free trade that price difference seems out of whack and difficult to justify. John Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User wrote: John Brit price with no tax is UKBP315 against US$379.. Tax rates in the US range between 4 and 9%, I believe, and into double figures in Ontario and Quebec in Canada, 14 and 16% respectively Profit margins are smaller in North America generally, and none of us have any idea how much is paid by the retailers on either continent.. the fact that the Brit price is so high in the UK does not necessarily reflect the price paid from the manufacturer.. The UK, along with one or two other member countries, have failed to adopt the Euro as regular currency, and as such is prone to varying exchange rates in a way that other member countries may not be.. While I accept that the price difference is large, it is not right to quote a price without tax against a price with tax, especially where the tax rate is so high as in the UK.. Something else that is not taken into account is UK import duty for goods manufactured from outside of the EU.. that can range from between 5 and 85%.. Then there are shipping, handling and insurance costs.. I fail to see why MS are being blamed for all of this.. "John John" wrote in message ... Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User wrote: I really can't believe what the problem is with MS and pricing.. why do people expect to get the top Vista for nothing? No one said that they wanted it for nothing. The starting information for this thread was that Vista Ultimate would be priced at about US$378.99 in the United states and at £369.99 in the UK. (Amazon numbers supplied by Shenan) US378.99 = 192.52 U.K. pounds Add the 17.5% VAT that another poster mentioned (£33.69)and the final straight converted advertised price would be £226.21 VAT included. The spread of £143.78 ($283.03 US dollars) cannot be simply explained with shipping costs or that the the UK economy is that much more inefficient than the US or that the UK market is that uncompetitive. It isn't mere spin or simple BS from Microsoft... it's more to the PhD level... BS that is just Piled Higher and Deeper! John |
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Boycott Vista in the UK!
Pete
http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_ss_...-keywords=ipod -- Hope this helps. Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Pete Stavrakoglou wrote: "Gerry Cornell" wrote in message ... EU Regulations do not allow a manufacturer to fix retail prices Not to hijack this but you've brought up something here. IPods retail for just about the same price everywhere in the USA. It appears that Apple is controlling the price and Microsoft had followed suit with their Zune. How are IPods priced in the EU? |
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Boycott Vista in the UK!
Thanks for the link (duh, I should have thought to check Amaon UK myself).
The prices seem very close from one vendor to another. In the USA, it certainly seems as if there are some price restrictions imposed by Apple in order to control pricing. I paid $ 349.99 US for an 80 GB IPod Video while it costs £ 375.00 in the UK. Pretty close. "Gerry Cornell" wrote in message ... Pete http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_ss_...-keywords=ipod -- Hope this helps. Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Pete Stavrakoglou wrote: "Gerry Cornell" wrote in message ... EU Regulations do not allow a manufacturer to fix retail prices Not to hijack this but you've brought up something here. IPods retail for just about the same price everywhere in the USA. It appears that Apple is controlling the price and Microsoft had followed suit with their Zune. How are IPods priced in the EU? |
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Boycott Vista in the UK!
Pete Stavrakoglou wrote:
I paid $ 349.99 US for an 80 GB IPod Video while it costs £ 375.00 in the UK. Pretty close. Not when the exchange rate is almost £1 = US$2..... |
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Boycott the trolls that perpetuate this and feed the trolls Boycott Vista in the UK!
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Boycott Vista in the UK!
"Gordon" wrote in message
... Pete Stavrakoglou wrote: I paid $ 349.99 US for an 80 GB IPod Video while it costs £ 375.00 in the UK. Pretty close. Not when the exchange rate is almost £1 = US$2..... Sorry, my bad. The 375.00 I quoted in pounds should have read in US dollars. $ 349.99 in US dollars in the USA and the equivalent to $ 375.00 US dollars in the UK. That's close. |
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