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In article , Frank Slootweg
wrote: Earlier, I wrote! I.e. they probably have things like smartphones which get updated/ changed/replaced/whatever every nanosecond or so, but they're incapable of handling a change from Windows whatever to 101? I don't think so! Well, I can imagine that a switch to Windows 101 *would* be a tad hard! :-) not in base 3, it isn't |
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On 11/5/19 7:16 PM, VanguardLH wrote: T wrote: They are completely locked in to M$O. I personally do not care for it, but a lot of folks like it. I suffer buggy Libre Office. If they are locked into Microsoft Office (their choice, not a requirement), why aren't they also locked into an OS on which they've locked into old versions of software? 1) they are cheap (most customers are). 2) they hate Windows 10 (I have only come across one customer who likes it) Do these same users also try to play CDs on an LP player? You don't change the OS unless demanded by critical software required for your business. Usually it's the other way around: you have critical and old software that demands you stay on an old version of the OS. Not a valid argument. Windows 7 is a perfectly functional operating system. Office 2019 will not install on it for one reason and one reason only: M$ are ass holes. M$ is trying to force folk on to Nein so they can sell their telemetry. If those customers are locked into MS Office then they already have a version of MS Office. What version of MS Office do they now have that won't run under Windows 7? Since they're already using an older version of MS Office than 2019, there is no requirement to move to Windows 10. What features in MS Office 2019 do these customers think they absolutely require for their business? |
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Rene Lamontagne wrote:
T wrote: VanguardLH wrote: How old are these customers of yours? These three are in their forties. Old farts are a challenge to configure for, but fortunately, they are need are rather minor: web and eMail and something to jot down a note on. Oh and Solitaire. Hearts. :-) Ever played Zork I? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWQDccL0aXM Wasn't until 1993 with the release of Return to Zork that added graphics. The "Web" showed up a year or two later starting with Mosaic. Ah, nostalgia. The good old days of PCs thankfully since far surpassed. I think I was playing that back in 1982 after spending $2500 for an IBM AT with a whopping 10MB hard disk and 640K system RAM with a full-length 1MB memory card that I had to populate with dozens of RAM chips into sockets (that occasionally you had to reseat the chips due to thermal expansion and contraction working them out), a green monochrome monitor (maybe 13", or less), a 5.25" floppy drive, and a 101-key keyboard that lasted far longer than anything afterward (think it was a Northgate). That was 37 years ago, so T probably wasn't even born yet. Yep, I'm an old fart. In contrast, T is a tyro. |
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On 11/6/19 12:40 AM, Chris wrote: M$ is playing hard ball trying to get their telemetry they can sell. I explain to them that XP and 7 are perfectly fine operating systems. You're wrong. In a business they are not "perfectly fine ". XP on network is a serious vulnerability which leaves them open to malware and ransomware attacks. 7 will be the same soon. Hmmmm. That is FUD. 7 got broken into more than XP. M$ security is a joke. You are much better off getting a good antivirus. *cough* wannacry *cough* |
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On 11/6/2019 11:36 AM, VanguardLH wrote:
Rene Lamontagne wrote: T wrote: VanguardLH wrote: How old are these customers of yours? These three are in their forties. Old farts are a challenge to configure for, but fortunately, they are need are rather minor: web and eMail and something to jot down a note on. Oh and Solitaire. Hearts. :-) Ever played Zork I? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWQDccL0aXM Wasn't until 1993 with the release of Return to Zork that added graphics. The "Web" showed up a year or two later starting with Mosaic. Ah, nostalgia. The good old days of PCs thankfully since far surpassed. I have hardly ever played any computer games, with three exceptions: Zork I, Zork II, and Zork III, around 1985. I tried "Return to Zork" when it came out. I hated it. I greatly preferred the text-based Zork I, II, and II, which let me create my own graphic images in my imagination. The images I created in my imagination were much more realistic. I've also played some some Chess and Go on the computer, but I don't think of those as computer games. They are computer-based real games that I knew very well before I ever saw a computer. -- Ken |
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Hmmmm. That is FUD. 7 got broken into more than XP. M$ security is a joke. You are much better off getting a good antivirus. Microsoft security has traditionally been poor compared to the third-party alternatives, with one exception: Windows 10 Defender. There might be one or two better ant-virus programs, but Defender is a good one too. As a matter of fact fact, most Microsoft utilities and application programs are inferior to most of the third-party alternatives. Not everyone will agree with my views on these, but I'll name just a couple of examples that I feel strongly about: FireFox is better than Edge, WordPerfect is better than Word; Quicken is better than Money (which Microsoft no longer sells). And regarding you statement "7 got broken into more than XP," yes, I agree, but that should be no surprise. It's not so much that XP was more resistant to malware; rather 7 was newer than XP, and as time passes, malware writers get better at doing what they do. -- Ken |
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In message , T writes:
On 11/6/19 12:32 AM, Chris wrote: T wrote: [] Windows 7 is a perfectly functional operating system. Only for two more months. It is 10 years old. And functioning well. And there is a lot of them out there still. [] It'd be interesting to know both numbers and proportions. I _suspect_ 7 is now where XP was - actually some time after XP officially ended; 7's take-up was gradual, possibly even actually accelerated by the appearance of 8.0. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf I'm the oldest woman on primetime not baking cakes. - Anne Robinson, RT 2015/8/15-21 |
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On 06/11/2019 20.15, Ken Blake wrote:
Â*T wrote: Hmmmm.Â* That is FUD.Â* 7 got broken into more than XP. M$ security is a joke.Â* You are much better off getting a good antivirus. Microsoft security has traditionally been poor compared to the third-party alternatives, with one exception: Windows 10 Defender. There might be one or two better ant-virus programs, but Defender is a good one too. As a matter of fact fact, most Microsoft utilities and application programs are inferior to most of the third-party alternatives. Not everyone will agree with my views on these, but I'll name just a couple of examples that I feel strongly about: FireFox is better than Edge, WordPerfect is better than Word; Quicken is better than Money (which Microsoft no longer sells). They were good in the past at purchasing external utilities, or a limited version of them. Since MsDOS times. For instance, they bought a version of PCtools backup. -- Cheers, Carlos E.R. |
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On 11/6/2019 1:10 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 06/11/2019 20.15, Ken Blake wrote: Â*T wrote: Hmmmm.Â* That is FUD.Â* 7 got broken into more than XP. M$ security is a joke.Â* You are much better off getting a good antivirus. Microsoft security has traditionally been poor compared to the third-party alternatives, with one exception: Windows 10 Defender. There might be one or two better ant-virus programs, but Defender is a good one too. As a matter of fact fact, most Microsoft utilities and application programs are inferior to most of the third-party alternatives. Not everyone will agree with my views on these, but I'll name just a couple of examples that I feel strongly about: FireFox is better than Edge, WordPerfect is better than Word; Quicken is better than Money (which Microsoft no longer sells). They were good in the past at purchasing external utilities, or a limited version of them. Since MsDOS times. For instance, they bought a version of PCtools backup. They can't do too much of that. Undoubtedly they fear being cited for monopolizng the market -- Ken |
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On 06/11/2019 21.14, Ken Blake wrote:
On 11/6/2019 1:10 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote: On 06/11/2019 20.15, Ken Blake wrote: Â*T wrote: Hmmmm.Â* That is FUD.Â* 7 got broken into more than XP. M$ security is a joke.Â* You are much better off getting a good antivirus. Microsoft security has traditionally been poor compared to the third-party alternatives, with one exception: Windows 10 Defender. There might be one or two better ant-virus programs, but Defender is a good one too. As a matter of fact fact, most Microsoft utilities and application programs are inferior to most of the third-party alternatives. Not everyone will agree with my views on these, but I'll name just a couple of examples that I feel strongly about: FireFox is better than Edge, WordPerfect is better than Word; Quicken is better than Money (which Microsoft no longer sells). They were good in the past at purchasing external utilities, or a limited version of them. Since MsDOS times. For instance, they bought a version of PCtools backup. They can't do too much of that. Undoubtedly they fear being cited for monopolizng the market I don't say buying the company, but buying (licensing) an application they like. -- Cheers, Carlos E.R. |
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"Carlos E. R." wrote:
[Microsoft] were good in the past at purchasing external utilities, or a limited version of them. Since MsDOS times. For instance, they bought a version of PCtools backup. PC Tools (Central Point) was acquired by Symantec in 1994 who then made PC Tools disappear. Symantec didn't buy Central Point to include that software in their own product line. They bought Central Point to get rid of a competitor (to their own Norton Tools). Symantec also bought Altiris which had free SVM (Software Virtualization Machine) which let you install and run multiple versions of the same program or programs that conflicted with each other. When a program was disabled, it was invisible, so it no longer conflicted with other software. Some software doesn't like multiple versions of it concurrently installed or ran on the same host, but in QA you may need to test your program under different environs. Some software conflicted with other software, especially similarly functioned programs. You could have Altiris automatically disable (hide) one program when you loaded another known to conflict with the other. It was slick. It competed with Symantec's SVM (available only as an enterprise product), so Symantec bought them, claimed they would make it available, but instead made it disappear. Got rid of another competitor. Symantec acquired Delrina's Winfax. Guess what happened to that software? Yep, it faded away, too. Remember PartitionMagic from Powerquest? Yep, Symantec acquired Powerquest in 2003, so PartitionMagic disappeared, too. Uncharacteristic to Symantec, they acquired Peter Norton Computing in 1990 which continues today as the Norton product line. Because Norton Tools was included, 4 years later they acquired and got rid of Central Point to get rid of the highly successful but competing PC Tools. Symantec also acquired Veritas, but there were so many corporate customers of that enterprise backup software that Symantec create a Veritas division. I contracted at Symantec/Veritas for a few years, but left before they sold Veritas to Carlyle. As a contractor there, I grew weary after every quarter of asking on Friday if I was supposed to show up on Monday. Symantec was very flaky in their budgeting. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ns_by_Symantec |
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On 06/11/2019 21.40, VanguardLH wrote:
"Carlos E. R." wrote: [Microsoft] were good in the past at purchasing external utilities, or a limited version of them. Since MsDOS times. For instance, they bought a version of PCtools backup. PC Tools (Central Point) was acquired by Symantec in 1994 who then made PC Tools disappear. Symantec didn't buy Central Point to include that software in their own product line. They bought Central Point to get rid of a competitor (to their own Norton Tools). Symantec also bought Altiris which had free SVM (Software Virtualization Machine) which let you install and run multiple versions of the same program or programs that conflicted with each other. When a program was disabled, it was invisible, so it no longer conflicted with other software. Some software doesn't like multiple versions of it concurrently installed or ran on the same host, but in QA you may need to test your program under different environs. Some software conflicted with other software, especially similarly functioned programs. You could have Altiris automatically disable (hide) one program when you loaded another known to conflict with the other. It was slick. It competed with Symantec's SVM (available only as an enterprise product), so Symantec bought them, claimed they would make it available, but instead made it disappear. Got rid of another competitor. Symantec acquired Delrina's Winfax. Guess what happened to that software? Yep, it faded away, too. Remember PartitionMagic from Powerquest? Yep, Symantec acquired Powerquest in 2003, so PartitionMagic disappeared, too. Uncharacteristic to Symantec, they acquired Peter Norton Computing in 1990 which continues today as the Norton product line. Because Norton Tools was included, 4 years later they acquired and got rid of Central Point to get rid of the highly successful but competing PC Tools. So that was it. I wondered. -- Cheers, Carlos E.R. |
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VanguardLH on Wed, 6 Nov 2019 12:36:06 -0600 typed in
alt.windows7.general the following: Ever played Zork I? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWQDccL0aXM Wasn't until 1993 with the release of Return to Zork that added graphics. The "Web" showed up a year or two later starting with Mosaic. Ah, nostalgia. The good old days of PCs thankfully since far surpassed. I think I was playing that back in 1982 after spending $2500 for an IBM AT with a whopping 10MB hard disk I ordered mine with the 20 meg HD. He didn't have one, so I splurged for the huge 40 meg. Then "I don't know what I'll ever do with that much disc space" now it is "I've got programs with data files bigger tan that!". and 640K system RAM with a full-length 1MB memory card that I had to populate with dozens of RAM chips into sockets (that occasionally you had to reseat the chips due to thermal expansion and contraction working them out), a green monochrome monitor Ah yes, back when "standard" was black and white, and "color" was amber or green. (maybe 13", or less), a 5.25" floppy drive, and a 101-key keyboard that lasted far longer than anything afterward (think it was a Northgate). Noisy, weren't they? -- pyotr filipivich Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing? |
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