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Tip: Heads up on M$ Office
Hi All,
Office 2019 now only runs on Windows 10. And those inglorious ass holes at M$ have discontinued any support/sales for Office 2016. Work arounds 1) install sh*tty Windows 10 2) install the freaking Office 365 lease license 3) get a volume license with downgrade rights 4) install buggy Libre Office (get a good set of ear plug for when the customer yells "I DON'T WANT TO LEARN ANYTHING NEW!!!"). AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!! -T |
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On 05 Nov 2019, T wrote
(in article ): Hi All, Office 2019 now only runs on Windows 10. Incorrect. Office 2019 also runs on macOS, and iPadOS, and iOS, and Android. https://products.office.com/en-US/of...m-requirements Older versions of MS Office 2019 still work, and run on Windows 7, 8, and 8.1. And those inglorious ass holes at M$ have discontinued any support/sales for Office 2016. Incorrect. They have killed sales, but there is still support https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...e/search/18412 Work arounds 1) install sh*tty Windows 10 Why? Office 2019 is running fine in my Win 7 VM. 2) install the freaking Office 365 lease license Absolutely no need to do that. 3) get a volume license with downgrade rights No need for that, either 4) install buggy Libre Office (get a good set of ear plug for when the customer yells "I DON'T WANT TO LEARN ANYTHING NEW!!!"). You need a better class of customer. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!! -T incorrect. There are numerous alternatives to MS Office and LibreOffice. Examples: https://www.wordperfect.com/en/ https://www.apple.com/iwork/ https://www.google.com/docs/about/ https://www.openoffice.org further examples are detectable using the search engine of your choice. |
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On 11/5/19 5:59 PM, Wolffan wrote:
On 05 Nov 2019, T wrote (in article ): Hi All, Office 2019 now only runs on Windows 10. Incorrect. Office 2019 also runs on macOS, and iPadOS, and iOS, and Android. https://products.office.com/en-US/of...m-requirements Older versions of MS Office 2019 still work, and run on Windows 7, 8, and 8.1. And those inglorious ass holes at M$ have discontinued any support/sales for Office 2016. Incorrect. They have killed sales, but there is still support https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...e/search/18412 Work arounds 1) install sh*tty Windows 10 Why? Office 2019 is running fine in my Win 7 VM. I just spent two hours on the phone with everyone at M$. Office 2019 is only supported on Windows 10. THEY WON'T BUDGE and THEY WON'T EXCHANGE IT. They are ass holes. 2019's installer is adamant about you upgrading to Windows Nein, oops, Windows Ten. Whatever you did, I'd love to know! I have a 2019 license that refused to install on a customer's Windows 7. Maybe you should recheck your version number? If yours really does run in 7, where did you get your ISO/IMG? 2) install the freaking Office 365 lease license Absolutely no need to do that. I do not care at all for 365. A leased license that spies on you??? 3) get a volume license with downgrade rights No need for that, either That is the only other way according to M$. And they will not exchange me. 4) install buggy Libre Office (get a good set of ear plug for when the customer yells "I DON'T WANT TO LEARN ANYTHING NEW!!!"). You need a better class of customer. I specialize in low skill users. These are good people to be cherished. incorrect. There are numerous alternatives to MS Office and LibreOffice. Examples: https://www.wordperfect.com/en/ https://www.apple.com/iwork/ https://www.google.com/docs/about/ https://www.openoffice.org further examples are detectable using the search engine of your choice. They are completely locked in to M$O. I personally do not care for it, but a lot of folks like it. I suffer buggy Libre Office. |
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On 11/5/19 5:59 PM, Wolffan wrote:
Office 2019 now only runs on Windows 10. Incorrect. Office 2019 also runs on macOS, and iPadOS, and iOS, and Android. Ya. You feel like converting them over? They are awash with specialty software that requires Windows. Oh, when I was redeem the key, I noticed that they included the Linux logo along with the ones you mentioned. Wine, I presume. |
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T wrote:
Office 2019 now only runs on Windows 10. ... Windows XP mainstream support ended way back in 2014. Windows 7 mainstream support ended January 13, 2015. Windows 8 mainstream support ended January 10, 2018. So, on what OS platform of Microsoft's would they support the release of a new product version? Obviously they're going to claim support only for those OS versions still supported at the time of a product's release. Office 2019 was released September 24, 2018. That was after mainstream support ended for all Windows versions prior to 10. That a prior Windows version is not supported by a product doesn't mean it won't run under a prior Windows version, only that the product is not *supported* to run under those prior Windows versions. Even you should know the difference between "supported" and "works". There could be dependencies. If Office 2019 requires some runtime or library support only available in Windows 10, the product will likely fail on prior versions of Windows. And those inglorious ass holes at M$ have discontinued any support/sales for Office 2016. Odd Microsoft should end sales of a product that has not yet been End-Of-Life'd. Office 2016 mainstream support doesn't end until October 13, 2010. Why spend money to buy Office 2016 standalone ($229) when you can buy Office 2019 standalone ($250)? Seems a waste of money to buy an old version when you can already buy the later version. If you (they) had purchased Office 365 subscriptionware, and were using the Office 2016 components, those got updated with the Office 2019 features before Office 2019 was available as a separate product. The idea of the subscription is you are updated to the latest features without having to wait until the release of the next major version. I would often seen popups notifying me about newly added features to Office 365 (which started with the Office 2016 version) that would eventually show up in the 2019 product, but was getting those features long before 2019 got released. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Office_2019 "Some features that had previously been restricted to Office 365 subscribers are available in this release." At Microsoft's pricing of $99/year for Office 365 subscriptionware, you'd spend about $600 for Office's average 6-year development cycle (which they've reduced to 3 years, so $300). That's more expensive than the standalone $250; however, I got support during the entire Office 365 subscription, not just until 60 days elapsed for the standalone version. Other perks was a free 1 TB OneDrive quota handy for saving data file backups, and a 60-minute per month Skype quota for connecting to landlines and cell phones (Skype-to-Skype is always free, but I wanted a backup VOIP service on my smartphone to the free Google Voice and my ISP's VOIP service). There might be other perks, but support, 1TB at OneDrive, and SkypeOut minutes were the ones that I remember. ... 4) install buggy Libre Office (get a good set of ear plug for when the customer yells "I DON'T WANT TO LEARN ANYTHING NEW!!!"). Users could also complain about not continuing to use Wordstar or . If they want to stick with old versions of software, they should also be sticking with old versions of the OS under which those ancient programs were supported. Why are they moving to Windows 10 if they want to keep using old software that worked just fine under prior Windows versions? Yeah, stupidity. Move to a new version of the OS but not for the programs to run under the new OS. Buy a new car, but keep using the bald tires from the prior car and get some "old car" scent spray. You sure the problem is LibreOffice being buggy (more so than Office, any version) versus a new learning curve to find all the equivalent features in LibreOffice that users knew how to dig around to find in Office? Sounds like "buggy" is a lame excuse for laziness to learn. How old are these customers of yours? Old farts tend to get slow and stubborn to learn. I know by watching everyone else my age. I'm old but grew up using various computers, operating systems, and programs and got used to change, plus I actually read the manual (if available) or read books, review the config settings, and test the program to know about 90% of it within a week versus taking several weeks to learn it piecemeal as I encountered the need for another feature or function. You don't become proficient in a program just by using it as minimally needed. My age-peers are getting slow and lazy. I'm used to change. Your users are lazy. What else is new? This is news to you? They go home to waste time watch game shows, The Wives of somewhereElse, or some other mind numbing entertainment. They don't want learning a new program to get in the way of their inane entertainment. They don't want to work some more when they go home or by staying after work. Lazy, and with no real excuse. |
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T wrote:
They are completely locked in to M$O. I personally do not care for it, but a lot of folks like it. I suffer buggy Libre Office. If they are locked into Microsoft Office (their choice, not a requirement), why aren't they also locked into an OS on which they've locked into old versions of software? Do these same users also try to play CDs on an LP player? You don't change the OS unless demanded by critical software required for your business. Usually it's the other way around: you have critical and old software that demands you stay on an old version of the OS. |
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On 11/5/19 7:16 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
T wrote: They are completely locked in to M$O. I personally do not care for it, but a lot of folks like it. I suffer buggy Libre Office. If they are locked into Microsoft Office (their choice, not a requirement), why aren't they also locked into an OS on which they've locked into old versions of software? 1) they are cheap (most customers are). 2) they hate Windows 10 (I have only come across one customer who likes it) Do these same users also try to play CDs on an LP player? You don't change the OS unless demanded by critical software required for your business. Usually it's the other way around: you have critical and old software that demands you stay on an old version of the OS. Not a valid argument. Windows 7 is a perfectly functional operating system. Office 2019 will not install on it for one reason and one reason only: M$ are ass holes. M$ is trying to force folk on to Nein so they can sell their telemetry. |
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On 2019-11-06, T wrote:
I specialize in low skill users. These are good people to be cherished. ... They are completely locked in to M$O. I personally do not care for it, but a lot of folks like it. I suffer buggy Libre Office. Then explain to them the consequences of their intransigence. If they insist on using only Microsoft Office then they either pay Microsoft in perpetuity for Office 365 or install Windows 10 so they can run Office 2019. Those are their choices. That's what technology lock-in is all about. I have little or no sympathy for people who want to use this technology without bothering to understand any of it. (I've worked with people who have used PCs for decades and still don't know what a file or directory is and cannot even tell me where the file they lost was located or what its name was.) -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger Blake (Posts from Google Groups killfiled due to excess spam.) NSA sedition and treason -- http://www.DeathToNSAthugs.com Don't talk to cops! -- http://www.DontTalkToCops.com Badges don't grant extra rights -- http://www.CopBlock.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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On 11/5/19 7:14 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
You sure the problem is LibreOffice being buggy (more so than Office, any version) versus a new learning curve to find all the equivalent features in LibreOffice that users knew how to dig around to find in Office? Sounds like "buggy" is a lame excuse for laziness to learn. Don't jump to conclusions. I have never owned M$O. I use Word Pro and LO. I frequently pound LO for not fixing bugs. They let sh*t ride for years and years. The last two arguments that I won with them here not saving a cell in Cals when the cell was still active and you saved the file. The jerk that took the original bug report, insisted it was not a bug. I kept at him until he finally escalated it and it got fixed. The other one was trying to set portrait and landscape mixed in document. That one went round and round and around. NOT A BUG. Your DAMNED Tookin' its a bug, etc.. He got over ruled too. But its took about 30 posts. They really, really do not want to fix things, unless they are forced to Stuff they leave in fixed are things like reverting merged cells in Writer tables and the inability to properly delete data from a writer table that had merged cells in it. AND there is always the ubiquitous sh*tty way the do envelopes that won't print properly on my printer. (I use Word Pro for envelopes.) |
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On 11/5/19 7:14 PM, VanguardLH wrote:
How old are these customers of yours? These three are in their forties. Old farts are a challenge to configure for, but fortunately, they are need are rather minor: web and eMail and something to jot down a note on. Oh and Solitaire. |
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On 11/5/19 7:32 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2019-11-06, T wrote: I specialize in low skill users. These are good people to be cherished. ... They are completely locked in to M$O. I personally do not care for it, but a lot of folks like it. I suffer buggy Libre Office. Then explain to them the consequences of their intransigence. If they insist on using only Microsoft Office then they either pay Microsoft in perpetuity for Office 365 or install Windows 10 so they can run Office 2019. Those are their choices. That's what technology lock-in is all about. I did eMail the office manager and ask how she wanted to proceed. I have little or no sympathy for people who want to use this technology without bothering to understand any of it. (I've worked with people who have used PCs for decades and still don't know what a file or directory is and cannot even tell me where the file they lost was located or what its name was.) I can't disagree with your there. The thing is, if they knew what they were doing, they would not need me. And, since they put food on my table, they are to be cherished. M$ is playing hard ball trying to get their telemetry they can sell. I explain to them that XP and 7 are perfectly fine operating systems. M$ is doing their damnedest to get them off of them and it is only going to get more painful with time. |
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5) Try to find unwanted older Office versions? I did with 2007 from
local estate sales. In alt.windows7.general T wrote: Hi All, Office 2019 now only runs on Windows 10. And those inglorious ass holes at M$ have discontinued any support/sales for Office 2016. Work arounds 1) install sh*tty Windows 10 2) install the freaking Office 365 lease license 3) get a volume license with downgrade rights 4) install buggy Libre Office (get a good set of ear plug for when the customer yells "I DON'T WANT TO LEARN ANYTHING NEW!!!"). AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!! -T -- "In a battle between elephants, the ants get squashed." --Thailand Note: A fixed width font (Courier, Monospace, etc.) is required to see this signature correctly. /\___/\ Ant(Dude) @ http://aqfl.net & http://antfarm.home.dhs.org / / /\ /\ \ http://antfarm.ma.cx. Please nuke ANT if replying by e-mail. | |o o| | \ _ / ( ) |
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On Wed, 6 Nov 2019 03:32:26 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake
wrote: On 2019-11-06, T wrote: I specialize in low skill users. These are good people to be cherished. ... They are completely locked in to M$O. I personally do not care for it, but a lot of folks like it. I suffer buggy Libre Office. Then explain to them the consequences of their intransigence. If they insist on using only Microsoft Office then they either pay Microsoft in perpetuity for Office 365 or install Windows 10 so they can run Office 2019. Those are their choices. That's what technology lock-in is all about. Office 365 and Office 2019 are indeed valid choices, but if they're running an older Win OS they could also look at: Office 2016 Office 2013 Office 2010 Office 2007 Office 2003 --OK, getting a bit crazy there, but I know people who still use it. I have little or no sympathy for people who want to use this technology without bothering to understand any of it. (I've worked with people who have used PCs for decades and still don't know what a file or directory is and cannot even tell me where the file they lost was located or what its name was.) Hard to argue with that. -- Char Jackson |
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In alt.windows7.general T wrote:
On 11/5/19 7:14 PM, VanguardLH wrote: How old are these customers of yours? These three are in their forties. Like me! Old farts are a challenge to configure for, but fortunately, they are need are rather minor: web and eMail and something to jot down a note on. Oh and Solitaire. Define old farts. 40s? -- "In a battle between elephants, the ants get squashed." --Thailand Note: A fixed width font (Courier, Monospace, etc.) is required to see this signature correctly. /\___/\ Ant(Dude) @ http://aqfl.net & http://antfarm.home.dhs.org / / /\ /\ \ http://antfarm.ma.cx. Please nuke ANT if replying by e-mail. | |o o| | \ _ / ( ) |
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On 11/5/19 7:50 PM, Ant wrote:
Define old farts. 40s? Anyone older than me. I personally am deciding whether I want to be and a Toothless Old Fart or a Curmudgeon. Both seem fun. Teeth are already falling out. Got to get the Cain shake thing down: YOU KIDS GET OFF MY LAWN!!! I have a lawn? |
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