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Old April 18th 03, 09:38 PM
Jim Macklin
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Default question about XP upgrade/hardware change

We have an older HP 6465 Celeron 433 with upgraded RAM to 2-
128 MB PC133. Also have added a 20 GB hard drive as master
and have the original 8 GB drive as slave.
The motherboard is a ASUS MEB-VM (with some HP variations, I
think). It has physical jumpers to set FSB and CPU
multipliers.
The board is supposed to support up to 512 MB according to
the motherboard manual. HP says that it is limited to the
amount I have currently install, 256 MB. I presume this is
due to a different BIOS used by HP rather than the BIOS
listed by ASUS.

My question is;
I would like to upgrade to XP from W98se and then, if that
works OK, change the FSB to 100 MHz from 66 and set the CPU
multiplier to 4.5 or even 5.0.

Does anybody see any problem with this?


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Old April 18th 03, 10:56 PM
Bob Willard
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Jim Macklin wrote:
We have an older HP 6465 Celeron 433 with upgraded RAM to 2-
128 MB PC133. Also have added a 20 GB hard drive as master
and have the original 8 GB drive as slave.
The motherboard is a ASUS MEB-VM (with some HP variations, I
think). It has physical jumpers to set FSB and CPU
multipliers.
The board is supposed to support up to 512 MB according to
the motherboard manual. HP says that it is limited to the
amount I have currently install, 256 MB. I presume this is
due to a different BIOS used by HP rather than the BIOS
listed by ASUS.

My question is;
I would like to upgrade to XP from W98se and then, if that
works OK, change the FSB to 100 MHz from 66 and set the CPU
multiplier to 4.5 or even 5.0.

Does anybody see any problem with this?


You are making a lot of changes to a MB that is 4 years old, but
that's good news in that you have little to lose if you blow it up.
I assume you are a PC hobbyist; I can't imagine anybody commercially
investing all that time to run XP on an old, kinda slow, PC.

That MB should work with the FSB at 100 MHz, since you have PC133 DIMMs,
but I suggest that you try FSB=100 with a low CPU multiplier first;
if that works, then try cranking the CPU multiplier.

Caveat: I don't know what HP did to this MB: maybe nothing, maybe HP
cobbled up the BIOS to inhibit fiddling the FSB and multiplier,
or maybe HP uses Asus rejects from the Iraq Republican Guard.
--
Cheers, Bob

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Old April 18th 03, 11:29 PM
Jim Macklin
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Default question about XP upgrade/hardware change

Can't afford to buy a newer computer right now. The old
Celeron is fine for my wife, who does office type work. No
games. XP has some better features, I would buy a MS OEM CS
(and a new CPU fan, you can always use a new CPU fan) for
the install. I could completely trash the HP software
package then.

The motherboard manual does support FSB at 100 Mhz and the
original RAM was PC100 (1-64 MB and 1- 32 MB). I used PC133
because it was less expensive for the upgrade a year and a
half ago.

I seem to remember that Intel had insisted that Celeron CPU
run at 66 Mhz because they were a little faster than PII's
if both were on 100 Mhz FSB. But if the CPU multiplier is
set to 4.5 I'd only be "over-clocking" about 4%. But the
jump from 66 to 100 FSB should provide a 50% boost in
speed.???

I have email (Cc the post) to ASUS tech support.
"Bob Willard" wrote in message
...
| Jim Macklin wrote:
| We have an older HP 6465 Celeron 433 with upgraded RAM
to 2-
| 128 MB PC133. Also have added a 20 GB hard drive as
master
| and have the original 8 GB drive as slave.
| The motherboard is a ASUS MEB-VM (with some HP
variations, I
| think). It has physical jumpers to set FSB and CPU
| multipliers.
| The board is supposed to support up to 512 MB according
to
| the motherboard manual. HP says that it is limited to
the
| amount I have currently install, 256 MB. I presume this
is
| due to a different BIOS used by HP rather than the BIOS
| listed by ASUS.
|
| My question is;
| I would like to upgrade to XP from W98se and then, if
that
| works OK, change the FSB to 100 MHz from 66 and set the
CPU
| multiplier to 4.5 or even 5.0.
|
| Does anybody see any problem with this?
|
|
| You are making a lot of changes to a MB that is 4 years
old, but
| that's good news in that you have little to lose if you
blow it up.
| I assume you are a PC hobbyist; I can't imagine anybody
commercially
| investing all that time to run XP on an old, kinda slow,
PC.
|
| That MB should work with the FSB at 100 MHz, since you
have PC133 DIMMs,
| but I suggest that you try FSB=100 with a low CPU
multiplier first;
| if that works, then try cranking the CPU multiplier.
|
| Caveat: I don't know what HP did to this MB: maybe
nothing, maybe HP
| cobbled up the BIOS to inhibit fiddling the FSB
and multiplier,
| or maybe HP uses Asus rejects from the Iraq
Republican Guard.
| --
| Cheers, Bob
|


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Old April 19th 03, 07:05 PM
Peter
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Default question about XP upgrade/hardware change

Hi,

You will be frustrated if you install XP on that old
machine. Better stuck on Win 98.

Peter

-----Original Message-----
Can't afford to buy a newer computer right now. The old
Celeron is fine for my wife, who does office type work.

No
games. XP has some better features, I would buy a MS OEM

CS
(and a new CPU fan, you can always use a new CPU fan) for
the install. I could completely trash the HP software
package then.

The motherboard manual does support FSB at 100 Mhz and the
original RAM was PC100 (1-64 MB and 1- 32 MB). I used

PC133
because it was less expensive for the upgrade a year and a
half ago.

I seem to remember that Intel had insisted that Celeron

CPU
run at 66 Mhz because they were a little faster than PII's
if both were on 100 Mhz FSB. But if the CPU multiplier is
set to 4.5 I'd only be "over-clocking" about 4%. But the
jump from 66 to 100 FSB should provide a 50% boost in
speed.???

I have email (Cc the post) to ASUS tech support.
"Bob Willard" wrote in message
...
| Jim Macklin wrote:
| We have an older HP 6465 Celeron 433 with upgraded RAM
to 2-
| 128 MB PC133. Also have added a 20 GB hard drive as
master
| and have the original 8 GB drive as slave.
| The motherboard is a ASUS MEB-VM (with some HP
variations, I
| think). It has physical jumpers to set FSB and CPU
| multipliers.
| The board is supposed to support up to 512 MB

according
to
| the motherboard manual. HP says that it is limited to
the
| amount I have currently install, 256 MB. I presume

this
is
| due to a different BIOS used by HP rather than the

BIOS
| listed by ASUS.
|
| My question is;
| I would like to upgrade to XP from W98se and then, if
that
| works OK, change the FSB to 100 MHz from 66 and set

the
CPU
| multiplier to 4.5 or even 5.0.
|
| Does anybody see any problem with this?
|
|
| You are making a lot of changes to a MB that is 4 years
old, but
| that's good news in that you have little to lose if you
blow it up.
| I assume you are a PC hobbyist; I can't imagine anybody
commercially
| investing all that time to run XP on an old, kinda slow,
PC.
|
| That MB should work with the FSB at 100 MHz, since you
have PC133 DIMMs,
| but I suggest that you try FSB=100 with a low CPU
multiplier first;
| if that works, then try cranking the CPU multiplier.
|
| Caveat: I don't know what HP did to this MB: maybe
nothing, maybe HP
| cobbled up the BIOS to inhibit fiddling the

FSB
and multiplier,
| or maybe HP uses Asus rejects from the Iraq
Republican Guard.
| --
| Cheers, Bob
|


.

  #5  
Old April 19th 03, 08:56 PM
Jim Macklin
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Default question about XP upgrade/hardware change

I've already decided that the mobo is not a good candidate
for upgrade to XP. Also there isn't much room to gain
anything with a CPU upgrade from 433 to 533, the fastest
Celeron chip that will work. A PII socket 370 PPGA chip
seems to be either unavailable or high priced.

I'll live with it as it is, and save some money for a new
system that will run XP well. The big cost is the new OS
and applications.
case $100 w/ ps
mobo $100-125
CPU $50-80 onboard video, audio, and LAN, USB 2.0
V.92 modem $20-30
CD-RW $50
Hard Drive $80-100 (60-80 MB)

OEM MS XP Pro $125
Office XP Pro as much as all the above. Student version
available, but EULA limits uses.

Thanks to all who replied.

I just hoped I could get a good boost to performance by
over-clocking. I'd heard that the only reason not to run a
Celeron above 66 MHz FSB was Intel marketing restrictions
(comments welcome on that). Since the old mobo (ASUS
MEB-VM) uses jumpers and not the BIOS to set FSB and CPU
multiplier, I'd hoped it would be as simple as moving a
couple of jumpers to 100 FSB and PCI to 33 (were it is now).



"Peter" wrote in message
...
| Hi,
|
| You will be frustrated if you install XP on that old
| machine. Better stuck on Win 98.
|
| Peter
|
| -----Original Message-----
| Can't afford to buy a newer computer right now. The old
| Celeron is fine for my wife, who does office type work.
| No
| games. XP has some better features, I would buy a MS OEM
| CS
| (and a new CPU fan, you can always use a new CPU fan) for
| the install. I could completely trash the HP software
| package then.
|
| The motherboard manual does support FSB at 100 Mhz and
the
| original RAM was PC100 (1-64 MB and 1- 32 MB). I used
| PC133
| because it was less expensive for the upgrade a year and
a
| half ago.
|
| I seem to remember that Intel had insisted that Celeron
| CPU
| run at 66 Mhz because they were a little faster than
PII's
| if both were on 100 Mhz FSB. But if the CPU multiplier
is
| set to 4.5 I'd only be "over-clocking" about 4%. But the
| jump from 66 to 100 FSB should provide a 50% boost in
| speed.???
|
| I have email (Cc the post) to ASUS tech support.
| "Bob Willard" wrote in message
| ...
| | Jim Macklin wrote:
| | We have an older HP 6465 Celeron 433 with upgraded
RAM
| to 2-
| | 128 MB PC133. Also have added a 20 GB hard drive as
| master
| | and have the original 8 GB drive as slave.
| | The motherboard is a ASUS MEB-VM (with some HP
| variations, I
| | think). It has physical jumpers to set FSB and CPU
| | multipliers.
| | The board is supposed to support up to 512 MB
| according
| to
| | the motherboard manual. HP says that it is limited
to
| the
| | amount I have currently install, 256 MB. I presume
| this
| is
| | due to a different BIOS used by HP rather than the
| BIOS
| | listed by ASUS.
| |
| | My question is;
| | I would like to upgrade to XP from W98se and then, if
| that
| | works OK, change the FSB to 100 MHz from 66 and set
| the
| CPU
| | multiplier to 4.5 or even 5.0.
| |
| | Does anybody see any problem with this?
| |
| |
| | You are making a lot of changes to a MB that is 4
years
| old, but
| | that's good news in that you have little to lose if you
| blow it up.
| | I assume you are a PC hobbyist; I can't imagine anybody
| commercially
| | investing all that time to run XP on an old, kinda
slow,
| PC.
| |
| | That MB should work with the FSB at 100 MHz, since you
| have PC133 DIMMs,
| | but I suggest that you try FSB=100 with a low CPU
| multiplier first;
| | if that works, then try cranking the CPU multiplier.
| |
| | Caveat: I don't know what HP did to this MB: maybe
| nothing, maybe HP
| | cobbled up the BIOS to inhibit fiddling the
| FSB
| and multiplier,
| | or maybe HP uses Asus rejects from the Iraq
| Republican Guard.
| | --
| | Cheers, Bob
| |
|
|
| .
|


 




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