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Is it possible to install XP if the XP-CD is pre-copied to a blankhard drive?
Shenan Stanley wrote:
So, it it possible? Yes. Google could have told you that. ;-) And actually, no. Google didn't tell me that. I didn't actually come across anything or anyone who gave a catagorical "yes" to that question, and certainly no one who claimed they've done it (let alone explaining how). If that's true, I haven't found it yet. If you have, is there some reason you're not posting it? You didn't/haven't asked how. You asked is there a way/if it was possible. And until you actually say how, then what basis do I have to believe the accuracy of your answer? How do I know that by answering "yes", that you have actually understood the question? Others have put forward an affirmative answer, yet their corresponding explanation as to the "how" indicates they did not actually address or understand the question. You seem (according to your own responses) just want to be given the answers to the questions you ask. I think any reasonable or rational person would have realized that my question was framed in such a way as to invite an explanation of how to do it (if indeed it can be done) and not simply to seek a "yes" answer without the corresponding details. Clearly, in the context of the question, an answer stating simply "no" is possible, while an answer stating only "yes" is incomplete (if not useless) without the corresponding details of how. So, now I ask you how it can be done. |
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Is it possible to install XP if the XP-CD is pre-copied to a blankhard drive?
Shenan Stanley wrote:
So, it it possible? Yes. Google could have told you that. ;-) And actually, no. Google didn't tell me that. I didn't actually come across anything or anyone who gave a catagorical "yes" to that question, and certainly no one who claimed they've done it (let alone explaining how). If that's true, I haven't found it yet. If you have, is there some reason you're not posting it? You didn't/haven't asked how. You asked is there a way/if it was possible. And until you actually say how, then what basis do I have to believe the accuracy of your answer? How do I know that by answering "yes", that you have actually understood the question? Others have put forward an affirmative answer, yet their corresponding explanation as to the "how" indicates they did not actually address or understand the question. You seem (according to your own responses) just want to be given the answers to the questions you ask. I think any reasonable or rational person would have realized that my question was framed in such a way as to invite an explanation of how to do it (if indeed it can be done) and not simply to seek a "yes" answer without the corresponding details. Clearly, in the context of the question, an answer stating simply "no" is possible, while an answer stating only "yes" is incomplete (if not useless) without the corresponding details of how. So, now I ask you how it can be done. |
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Is it possible to install XP if the XP-CD is pre-copied to ablank hard drive?
XP Guy wrote:
Full-Quoter "Olórin" wrote: "Even I" can't answer the question? What - you can't read? Yes. Even YOU can't answer the question. Well, you sure as **** can't; Brilliant Sherlock. Maybe that's why I'm asking you dimwit. My point here was your demeaning use of the word "even". Well, "even you" don't know the answer either, so don't slag off others who (you think) don't. snip Whatever I may have been telling everyone else, the one thing I *was* trying to tell you has clearly gone right over your immature head. And just what was that *one* thing you were trying to tell me? Did it have anything to do with answering my original question? Okay, I'll spell it out. You didn't get the answer you wanted. Instead of either correcting without abuse, or moving on and waiting for other answers, you chose to lay in to people. So when you then asked, "Now can we get back to answering this question?" I replied with, "Not with that attitude... you're the supplicant here." What I was trying to say here, and it clearly was too subtle for you somehow, is that your rudeness may well put people off *wanting* to answer you - it certainly did me. My post obviously didn't help you technically; nor was that its aim, which I'd thought was equally obvious. If you'd learned a lesson and (heaven forfend) apologised for your lambasting, it's just possible that someone might have had a change of heart and chipped in with a nugget of information you found useful. You're the one coming here asking volunteers for help; you'd do well to remember that. Yes, answers may have been off-base; and as I said, I "understand your frustration to a degree". But in case you didn't realise, part of the question-and-answer process in these groups can go along the lines of: Q: I'm trying to do X. Is this possible, and how? A: Well, it might be, but why are you trying? I suspect you may be trying to achieve This Goal, in which case you would be better off doing Y then Z. Possible response 1: Oh yeah, I see, thanks for that, that's what I needed, got it working now. Possible response 2: OK, but actually I really do need to do X, because of this-and-this [which I didn't bother saying in my OP]. Any more ideas, anyone? Possible response 3: Why can't you people just answer the god damn question? A recent example was when someone asked how to turn off auto-compaction in OE. The answer the OP adopted was, "You shouldn't do that because your store will sooner or later get corrupted if you do." Sometimes the answer is "mu" - neither "yes" nor "no" but "unask the question" or "there is no answer because the question as stated depends on incorrect assumptions." People here are volunteers, willing and trying to help, and deserve the benefit of your doubt, not to mention common courtesy. [My exception here to "benefit of the doubt" is Andrew E., who regularly provides partially or completely wrong information that is a danger to others. He's something of a hit-and-run driver: only ever makes one post in a thread then moves on, never defending himself or apologising.] If you want to toddle off and get paid-for support with justifiable recourse for wrong or off-base answers, feel free. If you'd wanted to have a serious exchange about this, with no abuse involved, I'd continue with this sub-thread. But as you can't seem to manage to do that, this is end of thread for me. Have the last word if you must, I'm sure it'll be scintillating; but I won't be reading it. |
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Is it possible to install XP if the XP-CD is pre-copied to ablank hard drive?
XP Guy wrote:
Full-Quoter "Olórin" wrote: "Even I" can't answer the question? What - you can't read? Yes. Even YOU can't answer the question. Well, you sure as **** can't; Brilliant Sherlock. Maybe that's why I'm asking you dimwit. My point here was your demeaning use of the word "even". Well, "even you" don't know the answer either, so don't slag off others who (you think) don't. snip Whatever I may have been telling everyone else, the one thing I *was* trying to tell you has clearly gone right over your immature head. And just what was that *one* thing you were trying to tell me? Did it have anything to do with answering my original question? Okay, I'll spell it out. You didn't get the answer you wanted. Instead of either correcting without abuse, or moving on and waiting for other answers, you chose to lay in to people. So when you then asked, "Now can we get back to answering this question?" I replied with, "Not with that attitude... you're the supplicant here." What I was trying to say here, and it clearly was too subtle for you somehow, is that your rudeness may well put people off *wanting* to answer you - it certainly did me. My post obviously didn't help you technically; nor was that its aim, which I'd thought was equally obvious. If you'd learned a lesson and (heaven forfend) apologised for your lambasting, it's just possible that someone might have had a change of heart and chipped in with a nugget of information you found useful. You're the one coming here asking volunteers for help; you'd do well to remember that. Yes, answers may have been off-base; and as I said, I "understand your frustration to a degree". But in case you didn't realise, part of the question-and-answer process in these groups can go along the lines of: Q: I'm trying to do X. Is this possible, and how? A: Well, it might be, but why are you trying? I suspect you may be trying to achieve This Goal, in which case you would be better off doing Y then Z. Possible response 1: Oh yeah, I see, thanks for that, that's what I needed, got it working now. Possible response 2: OK, but actually I really do need to do X, because of this-and-this [which I didn't bother saying in my OP]. Any more ideas, anyone? Possible response 3: Why can't you people just answer the god damn question? A recent example was when someone asked how to turn off auto-compaction in OE. The answer the OP adopted was, "You shouldn't do that because your store will sooner or later get corrupted if you do." Sometimes the answer is "mu" - neither "yes" nor "no" but "unask the question" or "there is no answer because the question as stated depends on incorrect assumptions." People here are volunteers, willing and trying to help, and deserve the benefit of your doubt, not to mention common courtesy. [My exception here to "benefit of the doubt" is Andrew E., who regularly provides partially or completely wrong information that is a danger to others. He's something of a hit-and-run driver: only ever makes one post in a thread then moves on, never defending himself or apologising.] If you want to toddle off and get paid-for support with justifiable recourse for wrong or off-base answers, feel free. If you'd wanted to have a serious exchange about this, with no abuse involved, I'd continue with this sub-thread. But as you can't seem to manage to do that, this is end of thread for me. Have the last word if you must, I'm sure it'll be scintillating; but I won't be reading it. |
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Is it possible to install XP if the XP-CD is pre-copied to a blankhard drive?
"Olórin" wrote:
People here are volunteers, willing and trying to help, and deserve the benefit of your doubt, not to mention common courtesy. I took great pains to detail exactly what the question was. It is an insult to that effort to disregard those details when the response is completely off-base, or even worse, when the response is along the lines of "you shouldn't be asking that question because there can be no good reason to do what you want to do". I make no appology for the responses I gave to those that answered the question along those lines. Perhaps it will make them stop and think about how they answer future questions posed by others. If you'd wanted to have a serious exchange about this, with no abuse involved, I'd continue with this sub-thread. I'm still here, and I'm still waiting to see an answer posted. But as you can't seem to manage to do that, this is end of thread for me. This newsgroup is not alt.conversation.etiquette or alt.please.dont.offend.me. If you want to discuss the finer points of conversational or interpersonal etiquette, then I suggest you might find more satisfaction elsewhere. You've spend a considerable amount of bandwidth on those topics, and not on the XP-centric issue at hand. Have the last word if you must, I'm sure it'll be scintillating; I'll do my best. but I won't be reading it. Sure you will. You just did. |
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Is it possible to install XP if the XP-CD is pre-copied to a blankhard drive?
"Olórin" wrote:
People here are volunteers, willing and trying to help, and deserve the benefit of your doubt, not to mention common courtesy. I took great pains to detail exactly what the question was. It is an insult to that effort to disregard those details when the response is completely off-base, or even worse, when the response is along the lines of "you shouldn't be asking that question because there can be no good reason to do what you want to do". I make no appology for the responses I gave to those that answered the question along those lines. Perhaps it will make them stop and think about how they answer future questions posed by others. If you'd wanted to have a serious exchange about this, with no abuse involved, I'd continue with this sub-thread. I'm still here, and I'm still waiting to see an answer posted. But as you can't seem to manage to do that, this is end of thread for me. This newsgroup is not alt.conversation.etiquette or alt.please.dont.offend.me. If you want to discuss the finer points of conversational or interpersonal etiquette, then I suggest you might find more satisfaction elsewhere. You've spend a considerable amount of bandwidth on those topics, and not on the XP-centric issue at hand. Have the last word if you must, I'm sure it'll be scintillating; I'll do my best. but I won't be reading it. Sure you will. You just did. |
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Is it possible to install XP if the XP-CD is pre-copied to a blank hard drive?
XP Guy wrote:
If I have a blank hard drive that I've partitioned as FAT32 and will boot into DOS, and if I copy the entire contents of an XP cd to the drive, is there a way I can launch the XP installation process after the machine starts and boots itself into DOS? There doesn't seem to be much on the net that explicitly says you can do that. I've tried, and setup.exe requires that it be launched from a protected mode (32-bit) environment (ie like win-98 I guess). Some other comments I've come across is that possibly the install can be started from DOS by running winnt.exe with the appropriate command-line switches. Yet other comments refer to bart-pe. So, it it possible? Shenan Stanley wrote: Yes. Google could have told you that. ;-) XP Guy wrote: If that's true, I haven't found it yet. If you have, is there some reason you're not posting it? Shenan Stanley wrote: You didn't/haven't asked how. You asked is there a way/if it was possible. You seem (according to your own responses) just want to be given the answers to the questions you ask. I was/am obliging. XP Guy wrote: And actually, no. Google didn't tell me that. I didn't actually come across anything or anyone who gave a catagorical "yes" to that question, and certainly no one who claimed they've done it (let alone explaining how). And until you actually say how, then what basis do I have to believe the accuracy of your answer? How do I know that by answering "yes", that you have actually understood the question? Others have put forward an affirmative answer, yet their corresponding explanation as to the "how" indicates they did not actually address or understand the question. I think any reasonable or rational person would have realized that my question was framed in such a way as to invite an explanation of how to do it (if indeed it can be done) and not simply to seek a "yes" answer without the corresponding details. Clearly, in the context of the question, an answer stating simply "no" is possible, while an answer stating only "yes" is incomplete (if not useless) without the corresponding details of how. So, now I ask you how it can be done. Yes/No *is* all you asked for. Quibble the point all you want - but yes/no is a useful answer if someone is trying to learn something on their own and just wants to know if they are wasting their time before they jump in to do so. You seemed to imply that was your intent with your phrasing and very specific questions without asking "how". You had no basis to believe the accuracy of my answer - nor did I see the need to provide one when I answered your direct questions. You cannot even be sure I understood the question - actually - even after you see the "how". You can never be sure I understood the question in the manner you want me to. ;-) You did find the answer, winnt.exe, as you mentioned it originally. To me - this again implied intent to try the answer you had found, given you mentioned trying another method right before that. I install many of my setups (Windows XP anyway) from DOS (essentially the level of DOS - or beyond - that came with Windows 98 SE - known from now on in this response as "Windows 98 DOS") using a method similar to this: http://unattended.sourceforge.net/ Where you can use either *nix or Windows 98 DOS to install Windows XP onto a machine. No CD has to be involved - just network in that case. The main difference is that you have copied all installation files to same drive and thus you cannot *format* the drive again (not getting into partitions here - I'm sure you can sort that out.) Be sure to load SMARTDRV too - otherwise things will take *forever*. You can get the right DOS from www.bootdisk.com. Should have SMARTDRV, etc. In case you think the answer is unclear and/or you still cannot find your answer using Google... Here's a Google search: http://www.google.com/search?&q=inst...the+same+drive Here's the first 'hit': http://www.overclock.net/faqs/101421...ard-drive.html Although the Microsoft instructions assume you have a CD drive still: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/307848 They give you some of the same basics. The following is my opinion - based on this conversation (entire - not just my part) and is added because I felt like adding it - not because anyone requested it. Any reasonable or rational person wouldn't be an @$$ to people just trying to help them, especially when said person *asked* for their help. They might clarify things, they might say that was not what they wanted in some polite manner - as they are reasonable and rational - but they wouldn't insult or attack them and still expect an answer from them. See the entire conversation - it's archived indefinitely he http://groups.google.com/group/micro...409b97eb470a76 *shrug* You have your answer and your how - now you should try it to verify for yourself it is what you wanted. If it is not - please come back and follow-up. -- Shenan Stanley MS-MVP -- How To Ask Questions The Smart Way http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
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Is it possible to install XP if the XP-CD is pre-copied to a blank hard drive?
XP Guy wrote:
If I have a blank hard drive that I've partitioned as FAT32 and will boot into DOS, and if I copy the entire contents of an XP cd to the drive, is there a way I can launch the XP installation process after the machine starts and boots itself into DOS? There doesn't seem to be much on the net that explicitly says you can do that. I've tried, and setup.exe requires that it be launched from a protected mode (32-bit) environment (ie like win-98 I guess). Some other comments I've come across is that possibly the install can be started from DOS by running winnt.exe with the appropriate command-line switches. Yet other comments refer to bart-pe. So, it it possible? Shenan Stanley wrote: Yes. Google could have told you that. ;-) XP Guy wrote: If that's true, I haven't found it yet. If you have, is there some reason you're not posting it? Shenan Stanley wrote: You didn't/haven't asked how. You asked is there a way/if it was possible. You seem (according to your own responses) just want to be given the answers to the questions you ask. I was/am obliging. XP Guy wrote: And actually, no. Google didn't tell me that. I didn't actually come across anything or anyone who gave a catagorical "yes" to that question, and certainly no one who claimed they've done it (let alone explaining how). And until you actually say how, then what basis do I have to believe the accuracy of your answer? How do I know that by answering "yes", that you have actually understood the question? Others have put forward an affirmative answer, yet their corresponding explanation as to the "how" indicates they did not actually address or understand the question. I think any reasonable or rational person would have realized that my question was framed in such a way as to invite an explanation of how to do it (if indeed it can be done) and not simply to seek a "yes" answer without the corresponding details. Clearly, in the context of the question, an answer stating simply "no" is possible, while an answer stating only "yes" is incomplete (if not useless) without the corresponding details of how. So, now I ask you how it can be done. Yes/No *is* all you asked for. Quibble the point all you want - but yes/no is a useful answer if someone is trying to learn something on their own and just wants to know if they are wasting their time before they jump in to do so. You seemed to imply that was your intent with your phrasing and very specific questions without asking "how". You had no basis to believe the accuracy of my answer - nor did I see the need to provide one when I answered your direct questions. You cannot even be sure I understood the question - actually - even after you see the "how". You can never be sure I understood the question in the manner you want me to. ;-) You did find the answer, winnt.exe, as you mentioned it originally. To me - this again implied intent to try the answer you had found, given you mentioned trying another method right before that. I install many of my setups (Windows XP anyway) from DOS (essentially the level of DOS - or beyond - that came with Windows 98 SE - known from now on in this response as "Windows 98 DOS") using a method similar to this: http://unattended.sourceforge.net/ Where you can use either *nix or Windows 98 DOS to install Windows XP onto a machine. No CD has to be involved - just network in that case. The main difference is that you have copied all installation files to same drive and thus you cannot *format* the drive again (not getting into partitions here - I'm sure you can sort that out.) Be sure to load SMARTDRV too - otherwise things will take *forever*. You can get the right DOS from www.bootdisk.com. Should have SMARTDRV, etc. In case you think the answer is unclear and/or you still cannot find your answer using Google... Here's a Google search: http://www.google.com/search?&q=inst...the+same+drive Here's the first 'hit': http://www.overclock.net/faqs/101421...ard-drive.html Although the Microsoft instructions assume you have a CD drive still: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/307848 They give you some of the same basics. The following is my opinion - based on this conversation (entire - not just my part) and is added because I felt like adding it - not because anyone requested it. Any reasonable or rational person wouldn't be an @$$ to people just trying to help them, especially when said person *asked* for their help. They might clarify things, they might say that was not what they wanted in some polite manner - as they are reasonable and rational - but they wouldn't insult or attack them and still expect an answer from them. See the entire conversation - it's archived indefinitely he http://groups.google.com/group/micro...409b97eb470a76 *shrug* You have your answer and your how - now you should try it to verify for yourself it is what you wanted. If it is not - please come back and follow-up. -- Shenan Stanley MS-MVP -- How To Ask Questions The Smart Way http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
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XP Bloke,
As far as I am aware, yes, it is possible. If you have copied the i386 folder to the [fat] hard-drive, type: c:\i386\WINNT.EXE ....and XP should install. It will start the installation with a process that will not happen with a direct install from the cd-rom. It will begin by copying the XP cd boot files to a temporary folder. The machine will then reboot with these files as if it were the cd. These are the same 'files' that you would have on the floppy-set of startup disks that begin installation with computers that do not have 'boot from cd-rom' capability. It will then continue the installation process by copying the XP installation files to a temporary folder on your computer as it would normally. Why you would want to do this, I don't know, as if you have a bootable fat332 DOS partition, all you have to do is the same [above] command but choosing the cd-rom as the target. You don't need to copy the i386 folder to the hard-drive. But, you asked the question, and I have answered it for you, being as clear as I can be. Is your problem that you can't access the cd-rom from DOS? If so I will explain how, just give us the word. -- Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. "XP Guy" wrote in message ... Shenan Stanley wrote: So, it it possible? Yes. Google could have told you that. ;-) And actually, no. Google didn't tell me that. I didn't actually come across anything or anyone who gave a catagorical "yes" to that question, and certainly no one who claimed they've done it (let alone explaining how). If that's true, I haven't found it yet. If you have, is there some reason you're not posting it? You didn't/haven't asked how. You asked is there a way/if it was possible. And until you actually say how, then what basis do I have to believe the accuracy of your answer? How do I know that by answering "yes", that you have actually understood the question? Others have put forward an affirmative answer, yet their corresponding explanation as to the "how" indicates they did not actually address or understand the question. You seem (according to your own responses) just want to be given the answers to the questions you ask. I think any reasonable or rational person would have realized that my question was framed in such a way as to invite an explanation of how to do it (if indeed it can be done) and not simply to seek a "yes" answer without the corresponding details. Clearly, in the context of the question, an answer stating simply "no" is possible, while an answer stating only "yes" is incomplete (if not useless) without the corresponding details of how. So, now I ask you how it can be done. |
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XP Bloke,
As far as I am aware, yes, it is possible. If you have copied the i386 folder to the [fat] hard-drive, type: c:\i386\WINNT.EXE ....and XP should install. It will start the installation with a process that will not happen with a direct install from the cd-rom. It will begin by copying the XP cd boot files to a temporary folder. The machine will then reboot with these files as if it were the cd. These are the same 'files' that you would have on the floppy-set of startup disks that begin installation with computers that do not have 'boot from cd-rom' capability. It will then continue the installation process by copying the XP installation files to a temporary folder on your computer as it would normally. Why you would want to do this, I don't know, as if you have a bootable fat332 DOS partition, all you have to do is the same [above] command but choosing the cd-rom as the target. You don't need to copy the i386 folder to the hard-drive. But, you asked the question, and I have answered it for you, being as clear as I can be. Is your problem that you can't access the cd-rom from DOS? If so I will explain how, just give us the word. -- Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. "XP Guy" wrote in message ... Shenan Stanley wrote: So, it it possible? Yes. Google could have told you that. ;-) And actually, no. Google didn't tell me that. I didn't actually come across anything or anyone who gave a catagorical "yes" to that question, and certainly no one who claimed they've done it (let alone explaining how). If that's true, I haven't found it yet. If you have, is there some reason you're not posting it? You didn't/haven't asked how. You asked is there a way/if it was possible. And until you actually say how, then what basis do I have to believe the accuracy of your answer? How do I know that by answering "yes", that you have actually understood the question? Others have put forward an affirmative answer, yet their corresponding explanation as to the "how" indicates they did not actually address or understand the question. You seem (according to your own responses) just want to be given the answers to the questions you ask. I think any reasonable or rational person would have realized that my question was framed in such a way as to invite an explanation of how to do it (if indeed it can be done) and not simply to seek a "yes" answer without the corresponding details. Clearly, in the context of the question, an answer stating simply "no" is possible, while an answer stating only "yes" is incomplete (if not useless) without the corresponding details of how. So, now I ask you how it can be done. |
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Guy that is XP wrote:
"Olórin" wrote: snip but I won't be reading it. Sure you will. You just did. Rats, foiled by an ego that needed to change address to make itself heard. *plonk* for the second time, this time saying so. |
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Guy that is XP wrote:
"Olórin" wrote: snip but I won't be reading it. Sure you will. You just did. Rats, foiled by an ego that needed to change address to make itself heard. *plonk* for the second time, this time saying so. |
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Is it possible to install XP if the XP-CD is pre-copied to ablank hard drive?
condescending hooplehead.
"XP Guy" wrote in message ... : Top Poaster and Full Quoter "David B." wrote: : : I would think that a person that goes by "XP Guy" would be able : to figure this out on his own. At the very least he would know : how to use a search engine. : : You obviously can't read. : : I said that from what I've found on the net, there are lots of people : asking this question, and no real definative answers. : : Was there a reason why you also did not answer this question? : : Is there a reason why your contribution to this thread was nothing more : than to take a lame shot at me? |
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Is it possible to install XP if the XP-CD is pre-copied to ablank hard drive?
condescending hooplehead.
"XP Guy" wrote in message ... : Top Poaster and Full Quoter "David B." wrote: : : I would think that a person that goes by "XP Guy" would be able : to figure this out on his own. At the very least he would know : how to use a search engine. : : You obviously can't read. : : I said that from what I've found on the net, there are lots of people : asking this question, and no real definative answers. : : Was there a reason why you also did not answer this question? : : Is there a reason why your contribution to this thread was nothing more : than to take a lame shot at me? |
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Is it possible to install XP if the XP-CD is pre-copied to a blank hard drive?
Tim Meddick wrote on 24-04-2009 :
Is your problem that you can't access the cd-rom from DOS? If so I will explain how, just give us the word. He did that yesterday. The "DOS-equipped" drive is meant to be moved to a system with no means of accessing external devices. I don't know if this means no network port either. If there is a PXE capable network port (and a 2003 server), I'd install from a RIS server. -- /klaus |
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