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Positioning the Windows Explorer windows
On 3/1/18 5:03 PM, Mayayana wrote:
"Ken Springer" wrote | A friend of mine recently made a very cogent comment... "Ignorance is a | choice." After he said that, I lost all sympathy for people having | computer issues. They can go out and find the answers, or live with the | problem. | Yikes. Seems a bit harsh to me. I think of ignorance having 2 definitions: lack of knowledge and semi-deliberate unknowing. The latter would be like someone who never washes their dishes and manages not to notice the filthy sink. I'm including both. Especially the ones that know they need education, but don't want to learn. The would rather complain about the computer. But I assume you mean lack of knowledge. It seems very arrogant to me to think everyone should be able to manage their computer well. It requires linear thinking. Some people just aren't suited to it. Nor should they have to be. Don't we all have blind spots? I suppose it's somewhat true that nearly everyone *could* figure it out. But for some of us that's fun. For other's it's torture. I'm not talking managing their computer, but using their computer. I know an Apple consultant in the "big city" who runs into people that don't know how to cut an paste In essence, those that will organize their filing cabinet so they can find things, but never bothered to learn how to organize their hard drive. An example in the other direction is artistic sensibility. Some of the most talented programmers have no aesthetic sense at all. If they create a webpage it looks like 1996. If they have to write or speak they show themselves to have an adolescent command of language. They're like human calculators. Those people *could* become more well balanced. It might do them good. But I know it would be very stressful for them. They just don't get it. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.11.6 Firefox 53.0.2 (64 bit) Thunderbird 52.0 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and it's gone!" |
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Positioning the Windows Explorer windows
Remember, this is not for me or my computer. I set the thing up for
this guy's job to be as simple as I could make it. Did it yesterday. Yet, after spending an hour working with him, he still called me today with problems. It's like trying to do junior high work, and the student doesn't even have first grade knowledge. On 3/1/18 2:16 PM, tesla sTinker wrote: well, if your going to have a current online system you will have to stay up with current events such as new browsers and programming, you may as well keep up with the current events. Its the programming that changes, and that's why it does not work sometimes. We use Visual Web Developer 2008 Express Edition. But, we also like and use this. Works on Mac or Windows. https://www.visualstudio.com/downloads/ On 3/1/2018 11:08 AM, Ken Springer scribbled: On 2/28/18 8:38 PM, Mayayana wrote: "B00ze" wrote | Nice; I think you like showing-off your VB skills lol, just kidding ;-) | I do enjoy the challenge. I also like to be helpful. I guess that's a kind of showing off. But I've always felt a duty about knowledge. So many times I've been able to do something for myself only because someone more expert told me what I needed to know. I try to do the same with the things I know. (I think of that as the original inspiration of the Internet. Before there were blogs with endless comments, and before EBay, there were lots of people just chipping in whatever creativity or expertise they could offer.) Part of it is also a kind of shared frustration. The first time I had my own computer I spent an entire evening trying to follow the instruction: "Copy setup.exe from the floppy to the desktop". I didn't have the slightest idea how to do that. Nowhere did it say. I was supposed to just know about drag/drop. The Windows manual also made no mention of it. You have pretty much mirrored my frustration with the lack of any documentation being included with computers. It's no wonder people have so little clue as to how to use a computer. I was lucky, I didn't start out with Windows. My first windowing computer was an Atari 1040ST. That manual DID tell you how to drag and drop, and everything else. So when I was exposed to Windows, those things I already knew how to do. These types of things I include when people ask me for help. I resolved to learn enough so that I wouldn't be continually faced with such frustration. What I didn't realize was that I was in for a years-long project. Not only are computers complex, but nearly all the people who make them work have a vested interest in not optimizing the usability. A friend of mine recently made a very cogent comment... "Ignorance is a choice." After he said that, I lost all sympathy for people having computer issues. They can go out and find the answers, or live with the problem. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.11.6 Firefox 53.0.2 (64 bit) Thunderbird 52.0 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and it's gone!" |
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On 3/1/18 1:22 PM, tesla sTinker wrote:
Alright you ready? Mayayana may want to use this herself. http://www.dynamicdrive.com/dynamici...ndow/index.htm Get an html editor and create the webpage. Put this script inside it, do as it says in its instructions. Once the page is made, you can put anything on the page such as title at the top. CD collection. MP3 etc. And links to title artists or to say like, great recipes. Then on the page the links will link to the windows that will open inside the one page and they can open anywhere descripted by you in the script itself on the page. Once the one page is made, the script opens these when someone cliks on the links on that page, or automatic when you just open the one page. Make a shortcut to it just the one page on your desktop. Then when you want to use it, it gets the files you want and opens them inside other html windows smaller of, inside the one IE window page that the short cut is made to.. Of course, it makes for a great info tool on your desktop once your done with it. The great thing is it will open as many as you want. So, its not like it has to be on the left, and one on the right. It can be one in each corner of the screen. For a total of 4. The great thing is, once you have it made up, it can be reedited, to fit anyones agenda, and then just send them the webpage via attachment. Kind of like a programmer yup. But is that not what you are requesting. All of that is wa-a-a-a-y over my head, and in this case would be definite overkill. The computer owner would be totally confused at this point. I believer in the KISS principle, and Mayayana's script is far more simple than creating a webpage. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.11.6 Firefox 53.0.2 (64 bit) Thunderbird 52.0 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and it's gone!" |
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On 3/1/18 7:16 PM, Mayayana wrote:
"Bob_S" wrote | Right-click on Explorer icon, select Properties and enter what you want in | the Target window. | What he wants is 2 Explorer windows, for two different folders, opening next to each other, one on the left and one on the right. If you can choose position in shortcut properties it's news to me. Exactly. It's what you would end up with if you open the 2 Explorer windows, then snap one to the left, and one to the right. I think you can do most of what's in that webpage by simply creating shortcuts in 7. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.11.6 Firefox 53.0.2 (64 bit) Thunderbird 52.0 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and it's gone!" |
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"Mayayana" wrote in message news
"Bob_S" wrote | Right-click on Explorer icon, select Properties and enter what you want in | the Target window. | What he wants is 2 Explorer windows, for two different folders, opening next to each other, one on the left and one on the right. If you can choose position in shortcut properties it's news to me. That’s what I get for working on two systems and reading a newsgroup at the same time.... -- Bob S. |
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On 3/1/18 8:08 PM, Bob_S wrote:
"Mayayana" wrote in message news "Bob_S" wrote | Right-click on Explorer icon, select Properties and enter what you want in | the Target window. | What he wants is 2 Explorer windows, for two different folders, opening next to each other, one on the left and one on the right. If you can choose position in shortcut properties it's news to me. That’s what I get for working on two systems and reading a newsgroup at the same time.... ROFL -- Ken Mac OS X 10.11.6 Firefox 53.0.2 (64 bit) Thunderbird 52.0 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and it's gone!" |
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On 2018-02-28 22:38, Mayayana wrote:
"B00ze" wrote | Nice; I think you like showing-off your VB skills lol, just kidding ;-) | I do enjoy the challenge. I also like to be helpful. I guess that's a kind of showing off. But I've always felt a duty about knowledge. So many times I've been able to do something for myself only because someone more expert told me what I needed to know. I try to do the same with the things I know. (I think of that as the original inspiration of the Internet. Before there were blogs with endless comments, and before EBay, there were lots of people just chipping in whatever creativity or expertise they could offer.) Yeah, I was only joking, I know what you mean, it is fun to solve little problems and post the result online. It makes you better at it and you get to keep all those little solutions in case you need them yourself :-) Part of it is also a kind of shared frustration. The first time I had my own computer I spent an entire evening trying to follow the instruction: "Copy setup.exe from the floppy to the desktop". I didn't have the slightest idea how to do that. Nowhere did it say. I was supposed to just know about drag/drop. The Windows manual also made no mention of it. I resolved to learn enough so that I wouldn't be continually faced with such frustration. What I didn't realize was that I was in for a years-long project. Not only are computers complex, but nearly all the people who make them work have a vested interest in not optimizing the usability. My first computer was a Commodore 64. For a few years all I knew to do was put a floppy in the drive and type LOAD. Got to play lots and lots of games. It might not look like it, but you learn, very slowly, doing that. After a long time I knew lots of strange things, like all the kinds of ways the computer can crash. Started coding some BASIC, and then one day, I picked-up assembler and very rapidly became good at it. It's a logarithmic curve; takes a long time at first but you pick-up things, then one day it all makes sense. The Commodore did come with a good user manual, and you did not have to buy more than 1 more book to get all the info on 6510 assembler. Best Regards, -- ! _\|/_ Sylvain / ! (o o) Memberavid-Suzuki-Fdn/EFF/Red+Cross/SPCA/Planetary-Society oO-( )-Oo Data, ahh, I think Spot needs a litter box. -Troi |
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On 2018-02-28 09:55, Mayayana wrote:
'--------- begin code -------------------- Dim Fol1, Fol2, IE, ScrWidth Fol1 = "C:\Windows\Desktop\Folder1" Fol2 = "C:\Windows\Desktop\Folder2" On Error Resume Next Set IE = CreateObject("InternetExplorer.Application") IE.Navigate "about:blank" While IE.ReadyState 4 Wend ScrWidth = IE.document.parentWindow.screen.availWidth IE.Quit Set IE = Nothing Set IE = CreateObject("InternetExplorer.Application") With IE .Height = 600 .Width = 600 .Left = 0 .top = 100 .Navigate Fol1 .visible = True End With Set IE = Nothing Set IE = CreateObject("InternetExplorer.Application") With IE .Height = 600 .Width = 600 .Left = ScrWidth - (.width + 50) .top = 100 .Navigate Fol2 .visible = True End With Set IE = Nothing '------------- end of code ---------------- Hmmm, doesn't work well on my system. I end-up with two internet browser windows (positioned as requested,) and one explorer window (folder2). I removed the screen-width code and I still end-up with two browser windows and one explorer window. I tried adding pauses here and there but it did not help. Might be because I run Classic Shell and Clover, but not really interested in unInstalling them to test ;-) Regards, -- ! _\|/_ Sylvain / ! (o o) Memberavid-Suzuki-Fdn/EFF/Red+Cross/SPCA/Planetary-Society oO-( )-Oo Redundant book title: "Macs for dummies." |
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"Ken Springer" wrote in message news
On 3/1/18 8:08 PM, Bob_S wrote: "Mayayana" wrote in message news "Bob_S" wrote | Right-click on Explorer icon, select Properties and enter what you want in | the Target window. | What he wants is 2 Explorer windows, for two different folders, opening next to each other, one on the left and one on the right. If you can choose position in shortcut properties it's news to me. That’s what I get for working on two systems and reading a newsgroup at the same time.... ROFL Ken, See if "Total Commander" doesn't get you closer to what you want to do. The SourceForge site is down right now but here's the authors page https://www.ghisler.com/ -- Bob S. |
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B00ze wrote:
On 2018-02-28 09:55, Mayayana wrote: '--------- begin code -------------------- Dim Fol1, Fol2, IE, ScrWidth Fol1 = "C:\Windows\Desktop\Folder1" Fol2 = "C:\Windows\Desktop\Folder2" On Error Resume Next Set IE = CreateObject("InternetExplorer.Application") IE.Navigate "about:blank" While IE.ReadyState 4 Wend ScrWidth = IE.document.parentWindow.screen.availWidth IE.Quit Set IE = Nothing Set IE = CreateObject("InternetExplorer.Application") With IE .Height = 600 .Width = 600 .Left = 0 .top = 100 .Navigate Fol1 .visible = True End With Set IE = Nothing Set IE = CreateObject("InternetExplorer.Application") With IE .Height = 600 .Width = 600 .Left = ScrWidth - (.width + 50) .top = 100 .Navigate Fol2 .visible = True End With Set IE = Nothing '------------- end of code ---------------- Hmmm, doesn't work well on my system. I end-up with two internet browser windows (positioned as requested,) and one explorer window (folder2). I removed the screen-width code and I still end-up with two browser windows and one explorer window. I tried adding pauses here and there but it did not help. Might be because I run Classic Shell and Clover, but not really interested in unInstalling them to test ;-) Regards, You can use virtual machines to test code like that. Installing them from an installer DVD is a nuisance. But Microsoft has some pre-baked ones (which run for at least the 30 day grace period), which you could use. The selection isn't as wide as it used to be. I have a WinXP one and a Vista one, from back when those were offered. https://developer.microsoft.com/en-u...vms/#downloads When the grace period expires, you can unpack the original download as many times as you want. You may need to change the workgroup on those from MSHOME to WORKGROUP. That's something I have to remember to do when using one. And I leave the network cable unplugged, until Windows Update is disabled on the Windows 7 one. I use the VirtualBox versions. The Windows 10 Insider version, the OS itself will expire after a while. So the Insider version isn't a good deal as such. Probably a good deal if you cannot get the Insider to run any other way (and you needed an Insider version for some test case). Paul |
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On 3/1/18 8:54 PM, Bob_S wrote:
"Ken Springer" wrote in message news On 3/1/18 8:08 PM, Bob_S wrote: "Mayayana" wrote in message news "Bob_S" wrote | Right-click on Explorer icon, select Properties and enter what you want in | the Target window. | What he wants is 2 Explorer windows, for two different folders, opening next to each other, one on the left and one on the right. If you can choose position in shortcut properties it's news to me. That’s what I get for working on two systems and reading a newsgroup at the same time.... ROFL Ken, See if "Total Commander" doesn't get you closer to what you want to do. The SourceForge site is down right now but here's the authors page https://www.ghisler.com/ At this stage, Total Commander will "totally confuse" this guy. :-) The concept of the filesystem hierarchy still hasn't sunk in. The "light bulb" hasn't come on. Explaining things like this can be hard when the user is fixated on doing a, b, c, d and has no interest in learning something else. The hierarchy is so much easier to explain when your file manager has "lines" like XP and older system have. I may end up installing only the Classic Explorer part of Classic Shell, so he has the lines for his eyes to follow. I've created a simple chart that visually shows the hierarchy, but laid out as if it was an organizational chart, but I don't know if he's really looked at it. I'm fairly sure that, at some point, he's going to decide he wants his music categorized, into R&B, country, soft rock, etc., and that should be the perfect time to explain the hierarchy. -- Ken Mac OS X 10.11.6 Firefox 53.0.2 (64 bit) Thunderbird 52.0 "My brain is like lightning, a quick flash and it's gone!" |
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Explaining the file system hierarchy. (was: Positioning the Windows Explorer windows)
In message , Ken Springer
writes: [] At this stage, Total Commander will "totally confuse" this guy. :-) The concept of the filesystem hierarchy still hasn't sunk in. The "light bulb" hasn't come on. Explaining things like this can be hard when the user is fixated on doing a, b, c, d and has no interest in learning something else. The Don't I know it! I have a (possibly similar) elderly friend who doesn't grasp the concept of folders within folders. He's more than once asked me to go through downloading from his camera card - and he writes down each stage/step. He just doesn't grasp the _concept_. (He's not dim; I'm quite proud that he's managed to convert most of his LP collection onto CDs, using mp3directcut to cut sides into tracks, and so on. He's a retired printer - from hot metal days, but I think would have used linotype machines, not just hand-layout.) hierarchy is so much easier to explain when your file manager has "lines" like XP and older system have. I may end up installing only (My friend has Vista, which I think still has the lines.) the Classic Explorer part of Classic Shell, so he has the lines for his eyes to follow. I've created a simple chart that visually shows the hierarchy, but laid out as if it was an organizational chart, but I don't know if he's really looked at it. That is indeed the problem. You can't give them too much at once, or they suffer from information overload. I'm fairly sure that, at some point, he's going to decide he wants his music categorized, into R&B, country, soft rock, etc., and that should be the perfect time to explain the hierarchy. Could be; good luck. What _is_ it that makes the hierarchical file/folder system, which is so obvious to us, so difficult to grasp as a concept to some? I'd really like to know. My friend, for example, just about knows how to make a new folder - but I suspect would never think of doing so, or at best would only ever do so in one or two specific places. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Radio 4 is one of the reasons being British is good. It's not a subset of Britain - it's almost as if Britain is a subset of Radio 4. - Stephen Fry, in Radio Times, 7-13 June, 2003. |
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"B00ze" wrote
| Hmmm, doesn't work well on my system. I end-up with two internet browser | windows (positioned as requested,) and one explorer window (folder2). I wrote it on XP and haven't had a chance to test it on 7. It may not work on all systems. That's why I suggested to Ken that he test it first. Shell is quirky, as you know. But.... the result you get seems odd. What's the location shown in the title bar of the IE on the left? Could it be that Fol1 is not a valid path? Or that it's restricted? Also, you shouldn't be seeing the first IE. It's never made visible. (Though that quirk could be a Windows security change, I'd be surprised.) Each folder starts as an IE instance and becomes an Explorer instance as a result of navigating to a folder rather than a webpage. (The document object then becomes a ShellFolderView object.) So.... if you get one folder then it seems to be working. If the other folder is not loading then I'd suspect the folder, or the code. If you don't get it maybe you could post the exact code and I can test it here. |
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"Bob_S" wrote
| What he wants is 2 Explorer windows, for two | different folders, opening next to each other, one | on the left and one on the right. If you can choose | position in shortcut properties it's news to me. | | | That's what I get for working on two systems and reading a newsgroup at the | same time.... | I know the feeling. Sometimes one just needs to get up, eat something, and maybe take a walk. |
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Explaining the file system hierarchy. (was: Positioning the Windows Explorer windows)
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote
| What _is_ it that makes the hierarchical file/folder system, which is so | obvious to us, so difficult to grasp as a concept to some? | I don't think it's at all obvious. The original idea was to use a desk/paper/file cabinet metaphor, but the metaphor simply doesn't work. It's not self-evident. Only the names are the same. There are far too many differences. Just one example: When you move a paper across your desk it moves, but when you put it into a file cabinet it doesn't magically copy. Likewise with writing files. We can say that a DOC is equivalent to a paper-printed letter, but it's simply not true. They have very little in common until you print the DOC. 20 years of typewriters and White-Out won't be of any help at all in learning how to cut, copy, paste or get rid of talking paperclip cartoons that pop up while you're trying to learn how to cut, copy, paste. It's a high bar to become adept with the tool. I think the office metaphors actually end up being an obstacle. People need to learn a profoundly different system. |
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