Best Browser?

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On Sun, 25 Mar 2018 20:36:56 -0000 (UTC), Dominique wrote:

I'd like to know which browsers should I try.

Edge.

I don't have Windows 10. Maybe M$ is trying to send me a message.

On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 08:23:32 -0400, Mayayana wrote:

"mechanic" wrote

| I'd like to know which browsers should I try.
|
| Edge.

Edge is not available for Win7. Strangely,
MS have made a phone app version for iOS
and Android.

Yes, sorry about that, wasn't aware that Edge wont run on obsolete
systems.

"mechanic" wrote

| Edge is not available for Win7. Strangely,
| MS have made a phone app version for iOS
| and Android.
|
| Yes, sorry about that, wasn't aware that Edge wont run on obsolete
| systems.

By obsolete you mean computers that run compiled
desktop software and don't have Metro for hanging
around at the Microsoft Store? There are still a few
of those around. Some people do work on computers.
We can't all just shop and play at putting dog snouts
or kittie ears on selfies.

But why are you spending time slumming in a
Win7 group if you think it's "obsolete"? Maybe you also
didn't notice that you're not in a Win10 group?

On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 08:44:24 -0400, Mayayana wrote:

But why are you spending time slumming in a
Win7 group if you think it's "obsolete"? Maybe you also
didn't notice that you're not in a Win10 group?

Yes I sometimes wonder that myself - perhaps it's a public service,
pointing out that there are better, more modern MSFT systems
available. I feel the pain of Win7 users though, once I was one
myself.

mechanic on Tue, 27 Mar 2018 18:45:08 +0100
typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 08:44:24 -0400, Mayayana wrote:

But why are you spending time slumming in a
Win7 group if you think it's "obsolete"? Maybe you also
didn't notice that you're not in a Win10 group?

Yes I sometimes wonder that myself - perhaps it's a public service,
pointing out that there are better, more modern MSFT systems
available. I feel the pain of Win7 users though, once I was one
myself.

Considering that I do not really believe that MSFT has actually
"improved" my "Computer user experience" with Win7, and the number of
complaints I've read about Win8, I am not exactly eager to see what it
considers "new and improved" in WinX.


--
pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?

On 03/25/2018 06:43 PM, Mayayana wrote:
"Big Al" wrote

| Don't do any social networking huh?! :-) Facebook knows everything
| you like and shop for, and they do a good job of targeting ads.

Maybe they know about you. I not only don't
use FB and never have, I've got the following in my
Acrylic HOSTS file:

127.0.0.1 *.fbcdn.net
127.0.0.1 *.facebook.net
127.0.0.1 *.facebook.com
127.0.0.1 *.fb.com

I also block Twitter and have never seen Snapchat
or the others. I don't see any reason to let a sleazy,
for-profit spyware company middleman my social life.
And I certainly don't see any reason to hang around
at a website where no one says anything that can't
fit into a one-liner. Though I do end up seeing reprints.
Much of the mainstream media have degraded themselves
to the point of just making up news by stringing
together wiseacreing snippets from Twitter. In fact,
it's so intrusive that I added code to userContent.css
for Pale Moon to remove them from the Washington
Post:
.twitter-tweet {display: none !important;}

Hey I like the .twitter-tweet thing. That's going in my Content.css I
just so love Trump messages.


| I try to use Duck-Duck-Go now. At least it gives me some sense of
| privacy if nothing else.
| I found an add-on that would strip some extra info from bookmarks. I
| looked at a few of mine and sure enough, not that it's tracking info,
| but more credit to the web page you got the link. Like
| walmart.com?came from google.com


I know what you mean. Google's been that way for
awhile. I usually clean up their links if I use them at all.

Recently I had a copy of an email from an acquaintance
who emails political links. She gets various political news
emails sent to her and sends many of the links on. I was
amazed at how much data was in her links. One had her
name, email address and home address all encoded as
base-64 and tacked onto the links that she was sending
on. She had no idea. Inflammatory politics is a category
all its own.


Wow, I have seen email addresses in this links but not that prolific.
Doesn't surprise me though. However if I were to paste a link in an
email, I'd fur sur see that kind of garbage and edit.

PS: just a friendly jab about the 'you don't do any social networking'.

On 03/26/2018 07:35 PM, Dominique wrote:
Big Al �crivait news
Facebook knows everything
you like and shop for, and they do a good job of targeting ads

Yes and they're a little stupid. The other day I bought a room humidifier
on-line and right after, when I went to Facebook, they offered me exactly
the same humidifier. Why do they show you something you've just bought?!
:-)

I view products that 5 friends of mine think are fabulous and want me to
look at and/or comment on. SO now I get targeted ads just for looking.
It's hell ain't it.

On 03/27/2018 05:10 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:

[snip]

Considering that I do not really believe that MSFT has actually
"improved" my "Computer user experience" with Win7, and the number of
complaints I've read about Win8, I am not exactly eager to see what it
considers "new and improved" in WinX.

I'd say that it's noticeably better than Win 8, but that isn't saying
much. Win 7 is still a lot better than either.

Firefox isn't a perfect browser, but it seems to be the least bad of them.

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"I don't believe in a God that doesn't exist" - Marilyn Manson

pyotr filipivich wrote:
mechanic on Tue, 27 Mar 2018 18:45:08 +0100
typed in alt.windows7.general the following:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2018 08:44:24 -0400, Mayayana wrote:

But why are you spending time slumming in a
Win7 group if you think it's "obsolete"? Maybe you also
didn't notice that you're not in a Win10 group?
Yes I sometimes wonder that myself - perhaps it's a public service,
pointing out that there are better, more modern MSFT systems
available. I feel the pain of Win7 users though, once I was one
myself.

Considering that I do not really believe that MSFT has actually
"improved" my "Computer user experience" with Win7, and the number of
complaints I've read about Win8, I am not exactly eager to see what it
considers "new and improved" in WinX.

Considering the potential for data scraping in Windows 10,
you should not do anything "personal" in there.

Get out a copy of Wireshark sometime, if you need to see
what it's doing. Find an address that doesn't have a reverse
translation in the trace, find a website that offers IP lookups,
and find out it's "vortex" at Microsoft that your machine
is talking to.

Even if, by some definition you "trusted" Microsoft staff,
that treasure trove is going to be shared with others,
either intentionally, or unintentially.

Never assemble a data treasure trove, unless you
expect to lose it, or have it exfiltrated. Ask the
one billion users at Yahoo Mail, how many people
know their passwords. Why, I had to stop using
12345678 as my password because of that.

Whatever gets collected by Vortex, consider that it's "shared
with everybody". It doesn't even have to be "for sale",
to get abused. An agency with a three letter acronym
can ask for a copy, and nobody will so much as blink.

Keep that in mind when you're using Skype too.

Paul

Paul on Tue, 27 Mar 2018 20:18:49 -0400 typed
in alt.windows7.general the following:


Considering that I do not really believe that MSFT has actually
"improved" my "Computer user experience" with Win7, and the number of
complaints I've read about Win8, I am not exactly eager to see what it
considers "new and improved" in WinX.

Considering the potential for data scraping in Windows 10,
you should not do anything "personal" in there.

Get out a copy of Wireshark sometime, if you need to see
what it's doing. Find an address that doesn't have a reverse
translation in the trace, find a website that offers IP lookups,
and find out it's "vortex" at Microsoft that your machine
is talking to.

Even if, by some definition you "trusted" Microsoft staff,
that treasure trove is going to be shared with others,
either intentionally, or unintentially.

Never assemble a data treasure trove, unless you
expect to lose it, or have it exfiltrated. Ask the
one billion users at Yahoo Mail, how many people
know their passwords. Why, I had to stop using
12345678 as my password because of that.

Whatever gets collected by Vortex, consider that it's "shared
with everybody". It doesn't even have to be "for sale",
to get abused. An agency with a three letter acronym
can ask for a copy, and nobody will so much as blink.

Keep that in mind when you're using Skype too.

What is coming out about Facebook & Google:

"Pearls before Swine" for May 21, 2017 makes the point that
"having a microphone on everyone, with a GPS locator" is not needed by
the Government - people are paying for the privilege.
--
pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?

Mark Lloyd on Tue, 27 Mar 2018 18:32:56 -0500 typed
in alt.windows7.general the following:
On 03/27/2018 05:10 PM, pyotr filipivich wrote:
[snip]
Considering that I do not really believe that MSFT has actually
"improved" my "Computer user experience" with Win7, and the number of
complaints I've read about Win8, I am not exactly eager to see what it
considers "new and improved" in WinX.

I'd say that it's noticeably better than Win 8, but that isn't saying
much. Win 7 is still a lot better than either.

My "issue" is less how things hare handled "in the back office"
(Behind the glass, I don't really care if it is electrons or elves),
but with the interface. From XP to 7 was like moving into a new work
space - nothing is in the "right" place (i.e., where I reach for
it.). If I had had the time to "play" with it and figure it out, I
might not be so grumpy. "To each his own". Some days, I miss
Windows 3.11 for workgroups.

Firefox isn't a perfect browser, but it seems to be the least bad of them.

I switched to Palemoon, a fork from Firefox. Loads faster (at
least it seems so to me) and it doesn't irreversibly change the
layout. E.G. "tabs on bottom".
--
pyotr filipivich
Next month's Panel: Graft - Boon or blessing?

Firefox is going through some growing pains at the
moment. They are feverishly working on it and things
will get better soon. The new, somewhat buggy, Firefox is
a ton faster.

Edge in not ready for prime time. It is still in the Alpha
stinker stage. I usually remove it and replace it
with a shortcut to IE. Customers bitch a lot about Edge.

Chromium (open source Chrome) is terrible. Worse than Edge.

Some of my customers adore Chrome. Chrome drives me nuts,
but that is a personal preference, so try it anyway.

On Android tablets, Firefox and Firefox Focus (ad free
Firefox) kick Chrome's ever living butt. Chrome
is much better on a PC.

Opera and Safari have a number of compatibility issues.
I don't see how Appel users don't go out of their minds
with Safari. I install Firefox on Apple anyway. They
say they don't need it, but a months or so later, I catch
all of them using it.

Here is a really fun one I adore (lacks the add-ons of
Firefox) that is nice and snappy. And so far compatible
with everything. Its claim to fame is that it has built
in ad blocking. It is fast too!

https://brave.com/

Try it. You will adore it. I use it as my secondary
go to browser.

I usually install both Firefox (with ublock origin)
and Brave on customer's machines. What I tell my customers
Firefox is my favorite, but use whatever works for them.
If one doesn't work use the other. Just stay off the
Microsoft Browsers as they are virus magnets (IE and Edge).

On 03/25/2018 03:31 PM, masonc wrote:
On Sun, 25 Mar 2018 20:36:56 -0000 (UTC), Dominique
wrote a question: best browser???

I have used Opera since it was first sold (now free).
I have MSIE, Chrome, Firefox, and Safari - primarily for my website
testing.
I cannot tolerate the user interface and crap on other browsers.

I do not understand Opera's limited popularity.

(Opera sometimes fails in part on a website, then I try Chrome.)
(Historically, Opera was strictly conformist which some websites,
(.g.some banking) were (and are?) not.


Try

https://brave.com/

"Big Al" wrote

| PS: just a friendly jab about the 'you don't do any social networking'.
|

Actually I didn't even get the joke. I took
it literally. But not to worry. I'm not easily
offended.

On 03/26/2018 04:31 AM, mechanic wrote:
On Sun, 25 Mar 2018 20:36:56 -0000 (UTC), Dominique wrote:

I'd like to know which browsers should I try.

Edge.


Dude! You are stirring the pot!